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1. Re: color changes app to app (Addendum)
Canned Pug Feb 26, 2011 12:00 PM (in response to Canned Pug)Here are my settings and a shot of the color differences...These settings are as per instructions on the Blurb Publishing site, (they never answer) and I'm wondering if the differences have anything to do with the ID "Preserving Numbers/Ignore Linked Profiles" setting? Everything is snyched as dfar as I can tell..Thanks friends...
Photoshop:
InDesign:
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2. Re: color changes app to app
Steve Werner Feb 26, 2011 12:14 PM (in response to Canned Pug)I'm not getting the same results as you. Here are my steps. See if you can reproduce them:
(1) I checked to make sure InDesign CS5 and Photoshop CS5 were both synchronized with Bridge.
(2) I created a new Photoshop document IN CMYK MODE. I used the Color Picker to select C=14,M=100,Y=99, K=4. I saved it as a swatch.
(3) I went to the Swatches panel menu and chose Save Swatches for Exchange and saved an ASE file.
(4) I saved my file as a Photoshop PSD file.
(5) I created a new InDesign document. I went to InDesign's Swatches panel, and chose Load Swatches from the Swatches panel menu. I selected the ASE file to load.
(6) I created a frame and filled it with the swatch color "C14M100Y99K4" that I created in Photoshop.
(7) I placed the PSD file on the same page.
(8) I chose View > Overprint Preview to view both of them.
Result: They look the same.
Or, give me the steps you used to test the colors.
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3. Re: color changes app to app
Canned Pug Feb 26, 2011 12:28 PM (in response to Steve Werner)Well, thanks for taking the time...there are a few issues...I don't
know what ASE is. And it's not so much as swatches I need to match as
matching color in images to swatchews in ID. I just used swatches to
simplify the concept. Yet it should be the same I would think anyway.
I'm creating a document in ID. I've used rectangles of color and
certain fonts in that specific color I want. I read off the cmyk
numbers and tried to match the reds in my PS photos (monochromatic,
not full color) to those reds. When I did that and brought them back
into ID they didn't match. Hope that's more clear and I'm sorry if I
made you go through something unnecessarily...
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4. Re: color changes app to app
Steve Werner Feb 26, 2011 12:39 PM (in response to Canned Pug)Adobe Swatch Exchange (ASE) was introduced a couple versions back in the Creative Suite (I'm guessing CS3?). It lets InDesign, Illustrator and Photoshop share solid color swatches between applications. If you followed my steps, the swatch you saved from Photoshop was a .ase file which could be used in either InDesign or Illustrator.
I have a hunch what may be confusing you is that you're probably working on an image in Photoshop in RGB mode. If you pick a CMYK value when you're in RGB mode, it will be automatically converted to RGB values. That would definitely NOT then match the CMYK value in InDesign. Is that what you're doing?
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5. Re: color changes app to app
rob day Feb 26, 2011 1:07 PM (in response to Canned Pug)If you open ID's Separation Preview panel and take a reading of the Photoshop color and the ID color do both readout as C=14,M=100,Y=99, K=4? If they don't match then Steve's suggestion that your Photoshop file is not in CMYK mode is probably correct, or...
The apps are color snyched, the working spaces are the same...
Syncing your Color Settings synchronizes the applications but not necessarily the documents. Your ID document could have a different CMYK profile assigned even though you've set the CMYK Working Space to Blurb_ICC_Profile, for example if you created the file with the default Color Settings then US SWOP Coated would be the assigned profile. Check that both the Photoshop CMYK file and ID file are assigned Blurb_ICC_Profile via Edit>Assign Profiles....
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6. Re: color changes app to app
Canned Pug Feb 26, 2011 1:45 PM (in response to rob day)thank you guys, I'll let you know!
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8. Re: color changes app to app
P Spier Feb 26, 2011 3:05 PM (in response to Canned Pug)And what do you see as the source space in Photoshop when you use the same convert to profile command?
How are you measuring the color in photoshop? With the eyedropper? Is it a solid color area or part of a photo? Waht's the sample size set for the eyedropper?
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9. Re: color changes app to app
Canned Pug Feb 26, 2011 3:27 PM (in response to P Spier)This is the image. It isn't on layers as it was a filtering process (halftone) using black and red (even though I tried to set the red at the right cmyk),or it would be easier to change the background color (which I'm thinking of reworking so as to be able to, as the black areas may change too much anyway even if I use Selective Color adjustments..
Nonetheless I still should be able to change the red to match that of the color I have in InDesign. It is a huge file at 300 and more inches across than I'd care to admit). Yes I was using the eyedropper. It says "Point Sample" I didn't even know you could set this...but I had a larger area to chose from the huge pure red area on the left side of the photo.
this being said, If I rework the image so the black is on one layer and the red on another it be easier to do? I'd still need to be matching the red anyway.
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10. Re: color changes app to app
P Spier Feb 26, 2011 3:30 PM (in response to Canned Pug)No spot channels, right?
Try setting the eyedropper to 3x3 or 5x5 and check out there on the left again. Are the values different? You could have some noise that's getting picked up. Was this area part of the orignal photo?
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11. Re: color changes app to app
Canned Pug Feb 26, 2011 3:40 PM (in response to P Spier)dropper 5x5 gives same color sample. No, the area on the left was a
larger background on which I placed the image and flattened.
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12. Re: color changes app to app
Canned Pug Feb 26, 2011 5:30 PM (in response to P Spier)OK, For those of you that have been trying to help... I went through all you've suggested and could duplicate most of it...in a new file. Then I noticed, as I widened out the swatches panel in ID, that the swatch I thought was 14, 100, 99, 4 said that it was a copy,
but when the cursor hovered, it was another cmyk color 14, 100, 79, 16. So it really wasn't a copy. (I wasn't able to take a screenshot of the tool tip).
So this probably happened long ago and I never caught it...as the word "copy" didn't show, excdept for the little "c"!
How this happened originally I'll never know because unless I put a name to the color, I never rename it with cmyk numbers anyway. And this is the color I was trying to duplicate in PS. So my profiles and working spaces were alright, I was using the wrong set of numbers. How freaky is this?
So I learned about Separation Preview, Eyedropper parameters.and would never had looked closely at the swatches panel if I hadn't been trying to duplicate the saving/exchanging of swatches.
So. None of you are crazy. Isn't that exciting?
Thanks for the walk in the park.
Shoot. Me. Now.
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13. Re: color changes app to app
rob day Feb 26, 2011 6:25 PM (in response to Canned Pug)How this happened originally I'll never know because unless I put a name to the color, I never rename it with cmyk numbers anyway. And this is the color I was trying to duplicate in PS. So my profiles and working spaces were alright, I was using the wrong set of numbers. How freaky is this?
If you cut and paste an object colored with a named swatch from one doc to another, and the target doc has a swatch with the same name but different definition (CMYK values), the incoming swatch is renamed with a copy suffix.
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14. Re: color changes app to app
Canned Pug Feb 27, 2011 11:10 AM (in response to rob day)i'll never make that mistake again!
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15. Re: color changes app to app
Canned Pug Feb 27, 2011 2:18 PM (in response to Canned Pug)Everyone contributed good solutions to this queer problem!











