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1. Re: Profiles: Blurb PDF to Book using their ID Template?
P Spier Mar 15, 2011 10:28 AM (in response to Canned Pug)It's working here, which leads me to suspect your color settings have a profile mismatch policy of convert to working space, and that you are not working in BlurbSpace.
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2. Re: Profiles: Blurb PDF to Book using their ID Template?
Canned Pug Mar 15, 2011 11:36 AM (in response to P Spier) -
3. Re: Profiles: Blurb PDF to Book using their ID Template?
P Spier Mar 15, 2011 12:04 PM (in response to Canned Pug)Yes. When I place an image with the Blurb profile embedded (my color settings say to preserve the profiles), the info panel says it's blurb.
If I switch tothe US Prepress settings, which use SWOP 2 and says to preserve numbers and abandon embedded profiles, the info panel says SWOP. You might want to verify that your color settings in ID were really set to Blurb when you started. It doesn't work to change mid-stream.
What happens if you open the Edit > Assign Profiles dialog and assign the blurb profile to the document?
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4. Re: Profiles: Blurb PDF to Book using their ID Template?
rob day Mar 15, 2011 12:06 PM (in response to Canned Pug)Are you sure you want to convert? If you are building CMYK files in PS the way we described in the other thread, you would want to assign the Blurb profile because you want to maintain the CMYK numbers. Assigning the Blurb profile will give you a better soft proof of those numbers.
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5. Re: Profiles: Blurb PDF to Book using their ID Template?
rob day Mar 15, 2011 12:13 PM (in response to Canned Pug)I'm guessing Peter is right about the profile assigned to your ID document—it's probably SWOP.
One thing to note about Color Settings—it is an application wide setting. You can sync your color settings, which sets the color management rules for a document when you create it, but making a change in Color Settings (like syncing) doesn't necessarily have an effect on an existing document. An assigned profile overrides your Color Setting's Working Spaces.
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6. Re: Profiles: Blurb PDF to Book using their ID Template?
Canned Pug Mar 15, 2011 2:54 PM (in response to P Spier)n/a
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7. Re: Profiles: Blurb PDF to Book using their ID Template?
Canned Pug Mar 15, 2011 2:59 PM (in response to P Spier)Peter,
Yes when I assign it to Blurb, the info then says Blurb...this is what it was:
You say that only when I open a fresh ID file can I assign a profile:
1. Should I do that? Start with a fresh file? Shouldn't be too hard to open a new file.... can copy/paste everything over? The images I bring into it don't then change as result do they?? I'm not sure what the ramifications are. Have I made a mess of it?
2. Then if it is assigned in the beginning I don't have to convert, right? But if my apps were synched from the beginning I shouldn't be having this problem and they were.
3. What about Working Profile, what should that be?
I don't think there is anything I could have done to make it all right, as I thought I was meticulous, but obviously not. Blurb should tell you in one place, in case you can't read their entire site and memorize it, let alone understand it, that there are so many profiles to consider as for me they're easily confused even though I purposely organized all the steps they say to..or thought I did:
Source
Embedded
Assigned
Converted
Working
Monitor
App Color Setting
PDF export, etc etc.
Is this insane or am I? I feel like I've been totally working backwards, reverse engineering everything.
But then I think about Japan and consider these quality problems.
Please read my responses to Rob if you would.
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8. Re: Profiles: Blurb PDF to Book using their ID Template?
Canned Pug Mar 15, 2011 2:56 PM (in response to rob day)Rob,
I believe I do want to convert, I thought that's what I was/am doing...These are the settings Blurb gives below and it says to preserve the CMYK numbers.
I did snych my apps across the board first. If something then got mistakenly Assigned, wouldn't the document's color settings icon (upper left corner) show it was unsynced?
The US SWOP coated wasn't intentionally set. Is that what you're talking about?
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9. Re: Profiles: Blurb PDF to Book using their ID Template?
rob day Mar 15, 2011 3:05 PM (in response to Canned Pug)1. Should I do that? Start with a fresh file? Shouldn't be too hard to open a new file.... can copy/paste everything over? The images I bring into it don't then change as result do they?? I'm not sure what the ramifications are. Have I made a mess of it?
No, you don't have to do that, just assign the Blurb profile to your ID document.
If you have built layered CMYK files in PS you don't want to force any CMYK to CMYK conversions—you should also assign there. Edit>Assign Profile...
3. What about Working Profile, what should that be?
If the ID document has an assigned profile, the Working Space is not used.
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10. Re: Profiles: Blurb PDF to Book using their ID Template?
P Spier Mar 15, 2011 3:15 PM (in response to Canned Pug)I wasn't following the other thread about converting the images, but here's a little synopis of the differnce between Assign and Convert to profile, both in Photoshop and in ID.
When you convert to a new profile, you are trying to preserve the color appearance under a new set of output conditions, that is to say you want your pink azaleas to have th same pink color iin the new space. Of necessity this usually means that the color numbers, CMYK or RGB, used to build that pink color are going to be different in the two spaces, even though the appearence is the same. This is generally what you want with a photographic subject -- but I understand you have some special cases here -- because you are already using four inks for output. On the other hand, if you've got a particular single ink color you are using, (usually black since the presence of C, M, or Y implies you already have 4 plates involved) a conversion is going to take what was once black ink only and make it some CMYK mix to simulte the appearance of black inthe original space.
When you assign a profile, you are saying "I don't care if the color shifts a bit, I need to preserve the numbers that are building these colors." If you've set black type, that's usually what you want, so in ID I think it would be approriate to ASSIGN the blurb profile as the working space for the doument. I don't see a necessity to reset the suite settings and start again as the result will be the same except for a possible difference in mismatch policy, but it appears you policy already matches the blurb policy of preserving numbers, so that's moot. Assigning the profile will cause all of the imported CMYK content to be treated as if it had an embedded Blurg profile as things are currently set (and that's waht you want if they images are already in blurb space). If the image was in SWOP, the color will **** a bit because ID is going to ASSIGN the working profile, not convert to it, and the numbers won't change. Any content you build inside ID will also have it's color numbers preserved, so you type will stay black, and when you turn on overprint or separations preview you should get as accurate a display of what to expect as your monitor can deliver.
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11. Re: Profiles: Blurb PDF to Book using their ID Template?
rob day Mar 15, 2011 3:24 PM (in response to Canned Pug)I believe I do want to convert, I thought that's what I was/am doing
Your screen capture in post 1 is from Photoshop and your source and destination are the same, so when you click OK nothing will happen, which is OK—the profile is already Blurb's.
What you do not want to do is set up a layered CMYK file using the multiply technique with SWOP as the profile, then force a conversion to Blurb. In that case you would want to assign (Edit>Assign Profiles...).
The US SWOP coated wasn't intentionally set. Is that what you're talking about?
Right, it looks like you unintentionally had SWOP as your Working Space when you created the doc.
Your CMYK policy is Preserve Numbers (Ignore Linked Profiles). Any new documents you make get the profile you have set as the Working Space assigned AND any images you place also get that profile assigned even if they have a conflicting profile embedded.
Once the document is created changing your Color Settings doesn't strip the assigned profile from existing documents. If you don't want a profiled assigned (the Working Space is always used) you would set your Policy to Off.
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12. Re: Profiles: Blurb PDF to Book using their ID Template?
Canned Pug Mar 15, 2011 3:44 PM (in response to rob day)An assigned profile overrides your Color Setting's Working Spaces.
So this doesn't mean that the apps aren't synched, only changing the Color Management Settings would un-synch the apps...
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13. Re: Profiles: Blurb PDF to Book using their ID Template?
rob day Mar 15, 2011 3:57 PM (in response to Canned Pug)Sync'ing synchronizes the CS Applications not your existing documents.
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14. Re: Profiles: Blurb PDF to Book using their ID Template?
Canned Pug Mar 15, 2011 3:58 PM (in response to rob day)As per Peter, post 3:
You might want to verify that your color settings in ID were really set to Blurb when you started. It doesn't work to change mid-stream.
Rob, you say one can change mid-stream?
No, you don't have to do that, just assign the Blurb profile to your ID document.
(Is there a far away colony pummeled Blurbians can go to, to be alone with their thoughts?)
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15. Re: Profiles: Blurb PDF to Book using their ID Template?
rob day Mar 15, 2011 4:20 PM (in response to Canned Pug)Rob, you say one can change mid-stream?
There are cases where you want to Assign and cases where you want to Convert—that's why both options are avaiable. In your case you have to preserve the numbers coming in from PS or the multiply technique gets blown off, so converting is not an option—you have to assign.
Assigning Blurb to your ID doc will preserve your InDesign native CMYK colors' numbers and give you a more accurate soft proof of those numbers in case you want to adjust them, which I think is what you want.







