27 Replies Latest reply: May 14, 2011 1:22 AM by c.pfaffenbichler RSS

    Does Adobe ever add features?

    Aegis Kleais Community Member

      Maybe it's just me, but has Adobe every really added any functionality features once a product is out the door?

       

      Yeah, it now supports the latest version of Camera RAW or they fix bugs (which is great), but with all the features we request, I guess it's too much to expect some of those features to be implemented into PS:CS5.

       

      Some usability increases here and there that you just know would be easy to implement, like adding Illustrators Anchor moving on-the-fly modifier of the Spacebar to Photoshop's Pen tool, or adding a feature that allows people to paint symmetrically over a defined axis automatically...

       

      There are a lot of great little feature requests, but for as long as I've owned PS (since version 7) I don't ever recall Adobe actually adding to it after release.  Am I wrong here?  I look through the list of features that would be simple to implement on these forums; there are so many good ones, but Adobe doesn't really ever add any.

       

      I'm not mad with them, I'm just curious.  Heck, if the feature pack costed $20, I'd pay for it.

        • 1. Re: Does Adobe ever add features?
          Chris Cox Adobe Employee

          Maybe it's just me, but has Adobe every really added any functionality features once a product is out the door?

          Not since FASB said we couldn't do that without charging more money.

          • 2. Re: Does Adobe ever add features?
            Aegis Kleais Community Member

            I'd love to see Adobe take 20 of the most request features and release a "Photoshop CS5 Feature Pack".  Depending on the features, I'd put money down for it.

            • 3. Re: Does Adobe ever add features?
              c.pfaffenbichler Community Member

              But that would probably also clash with the Creative Suite-concept of releasing new versions of all included programs simultaneously.

              • 4. Re: Does Adobe ever add features?
                Reynolds (Mark) Community Member
                Not since FASB said we couldn't do that without charging more money.

                Interesting. What does FASB stand for ?

                 

                Observing many odd things happening within the Adobe camp these days. Including some of the most talented engineers that Adobe have, having time to post on the forums all day. Not a very optimistic sign, if truth be told.

                • 5. Re: Does Adobe ever add features?
                  c.pfaffenbichler Community Member

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FASB

                   

                  And now there is the CS5.5 release (5.1 for Photoshop) …

                   

                  Including some of the most talented engineers that Adobe have, having time to post on the forums all day.

                  Well, is anybody gonna complain about getting good advice?

                  And while I have occasionally wondered about the hours Mr.Cox kept, I would not consider his Forum-time disconcerting, would you?

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                    Reynolds (Mark) Community Member

                    First of all I was trying not to name names when I made that point. And I absolutely agree that good advice is a valuable commodity, and am not complaining at all about those that have the consideration, and able to take their time to make that contribution. Made that point many times.

                    • 7. Re: Does Adobe ever add features?
                      c.pfaffenbichler Community Member
                      First of all I was trying not to name names when I made that point.

                      Dang, sorry, jumped to conclusions … and was impolite to boot, as I’m in no position to judge the contributions of the various Adobe employees who contribute in these Fora.

                      But I hope they will be lenient.

                      • 8. Re: Does Adobe ever add features?
                        Aegis Kleais Community Member

                        When you look at the grand scale, PS gets many things right much more than it does wrong.  But some of those wrong things are just noodle scratchers why they weren't added.

                         

                        For example, ICO format support.  You're the KING of image file formats, so why not ICO?

                         

                        It's easy to see that the AI team and PS team may not have integrated as tightly as they should; each program still provides a unique function; neither will ever take over the role the other does, but it's great when they share common functionality.  So how come I cannot hold spacebar in PS when placing pen anchor points to move it on the fly?


                        Honestly, I just don't know.

                         

                        But again, don't let this detract from the overall "BOOYEAH" that PS provides.

                        • 9. Re: Does Adobe ever add features?
                          Reynolds (Mark) Community Member
                          So how come I cannot hold spacebar in PS when placing pen anchor points to move it on the fly?

                          There's a very good reason for that. Because you would not be able to move the image around as freely while zoomed in. Most people use the Space Bar to navigate within Photoshop, and its possible to do this with every tool, except the Type tool of course.

                           

                          A preference to change this behaviour for the Pen tool is a valid Feature Request. But it would not be intuitive, or a particularly useful addition if it were a default. 

                          • 10. Re: Does Adobe ever add features?
                            Aegis Kleais Community Member

                            Actually, it's fine for a tool to be "context sensitive", meaning it changes depending on your situation.

                             

                            When you are actively using the Pen tool and dropping anchor points, it's natural for the SPACEBAR to operate and a "move anchor point on the fly" method.  When you have finished laying down the path (have no paths selected or anchors selected, the Space goes back to panning the document window.

                             

                            I would have no issue if this was a toggleable option (gives the best of both worlds).  It's just one of a couple minor usability issues that are long past due in PS.

                            • 11. Re: Does Adobe ever add features?
                              Chris Cox Adobe Employee

                              having time to post on the forums all day

                              I get to post while waiting for builds/compiles (it's that or read another book).

                               

                              And my posts outside of office hours are on my time.

                              • 12. Re: Does Adobe ever add features?
                                Chris Cox Adobe Employee

                                while I have occasionally wondered about the hours Mr.Cox kept,

                                Yeah, those 16-18 hour work days do get tiring after a few months.

                                • 13. Re: Does Adobe ever add features?
                                  Chris Cox Adobe Employee

                                  so why not ICO?

                                  Because ICO is not a normal image format.

                                  >> .ICO files contain one or more small images at multiple sizes and color depths.

                                   

                                  It's a multi image representation format, and can have some odd masking modes.

                                  That doesn't fit with normal image editing, and is well served by specialty applications designed for editing file system icons.

                                   

                                  While Photoshop could write a single size, single depth version of ICO - that hasn't been interesting enough to the customers we've checked with (the ones who sent in feature requests for ICO support).

                                  • 14. Re: Does Adobe ever add features?
                                    c.pfaffenbichler Community Member
                                    It's easy to see that the AI team and PS team may not have integrated as tightly as they should;

                                    Not the ideal place for the question, but if you are an experienced Illustrator user maybe you could tell me how to close a Path in Illustrator without losing the first point’s backward bezier handle?

                                    Photoshop does not do that, but I have never figured out how to get Illustrator to honor the handle I set on closing (or picking up an end point).

                                    aiPathClosingBehaviour.jpg

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                                      nelson ha ha

                                      photoshop 12.04 new features added


                                      • 16. Re: Does Adobe ever add features?
                                        Aegis Kleais Community Member

                                        Well, at the end of the day I just come to terms that PS CS5X won't do a small handful of things I'd have liked it to do.  But this doesn't detract from the overwhelming number of great things it DOES do, so I'm very happy with it.

                                        • 17. Re: Does Adobe ever add features?
                                          PECourtejoie ACP

                                          I am wondering if the new "renting" scheme introduced with CS5.5 could allow Adobe to get around FASB. (But then users of the purchased version would complaint)

                                          • 18. Re: Does Adobe ever add features?
                                            Chris Styles Community Member

                                            What is this junk about the FASB? With as many socialist characteristics as our country has taken on as of late we are all very aware that free enterprise organizations are not being told how to sell, update, and price their products.

                                             

                                            Key examples:

                                             

                                            Game companies regularly do updates for free after the product releases and those updates include new features such as weapons, abilities, levels, etc.

                                             

                                            Apple has done numerous updates to iOS that add substantial features and do not charge for the updates.

                                             

                                            Kind of sad that a representative of Adobe would sling such a weak justification when Adobe is overlooking sensible features and consistency between products.

                                            • 19. Re: Does Adobe ever add features?
                                              c.pfaffenbichler Community Member
                                              With as many socialist characteristics as our country has taken on as of late we are all very aware that free enterprise organizations are not being told how to sell, update, and price their products.

                                              I know this is not the place and I don’t even know for sure which country you are talking about, but if you should be talking about the USA: »Socialist«?

                                              Are you trying to be funny?

                                              • 20. Re: Does Adobe ever add features?
                                                Chris Cox Adobe Employee

                                                Games that offer content updates sell subscriptions or defer revenue to allow for that.

                                                 

                                                If you don't like the policy, please take it up with FASB and every accounting firm in the United States that follows their rules.

                                                • 21. Re: Does Adobe ever add features?
                                                  Chris Styles Community Member

                                                  You conveniently passed over the Apple iOS example and I can assure you from first-hand experience many very visible game companies such as Epic, id, EA, Ubisoft, Rockstar, etc. have given away massive new content releases for free as an act of generosity and thankfulness to the customers who support them. There were no subscriptions involved. Don't take my word for it, check it out for yourself.

                                                   

                                                  They certainly do not engage in a practice of deferring earnings to claim revenue at a later time for something they gave away previously. Slightly fraudulent don't you think and investors clearly don't accept those types of deceptive practices.

                                                   

                                                  Hmmmmmmm, contact the FASB about deficencies in Adobe products and the company's disregard for customer requests.......uuuuuuh sure.

                                                   

                                                  Back to your compiler now.

                                                  • 22. Re: Does Adobe ever add features?
                                                    Chris Cox Adobe Employee

                                                    Yes, and those companies use different accounting tricks to allow for that.

                                                    And yes, if they want to add features they have to defer revenue or have a subscription.

                                                     

                                                    This is not an Adobe issue.

                                                    This is forced on us by the FASB and accounting firms following FASB rules.

                                                     

                                                    We'd love to see that policy changed. But we've tried, pleaded and begged - and FASB will not budge.

                                                    • 23. Re: Does Adobe ever add features?
                                                      Rokeby Wilson

                                                      My problem is almost the reverse of the original post.

                                                      I've paid a lot of money for an upgrade yto CS5 and an essential and compleely basic feature of PS has been removed- with no notice that it would be before I bought the upgrade (or I wouldn't have bothered buying it).

                                                       

                                                      I have, and others have, posted about this, and we have had no reply about why it was removed, or whther it will be put back, or of course, when.

                                                       

                                                      I'm sure no rules of any organisation are stoping Adobe sorting that one out- or at least relpying to the feature request/bug thread on it. It makes me feel like now I've paid my money Adobe couldn't give a hoot about the difficulties it has landed me with.

                                                       

                                                      For the record, the thing that's gone is 'print selection' which I use all the time, and even freeware word processing packages manage to have- so surely it can't be beyond the capacities of PS programmers-  and in any case, why would anyone actually go to the trouble of removing such a useful option? As no-one got back to us, and it is now many months since it was first raised,  I can only guess.

                                                       

                                                      Feeling a bit unloved, here.

                                                      • 24. Re: Does Adobe ever add features?
                                                        Chris Styles Community Member

                                                        Rokeby you are exactly in line with my point that Chris Cox can't seem to wrap his mind around. He would rather have us believe that an outside accounting standards organization is determining the course for Adobe as to what they can innovate, include and release in products.

                                                         

                                                        Adobe would rather I purchase a toy of an app for my iPad(for the sake of the FASB I guess) to customize the Photoshop toolbar instead of including that functionality in Photoshop which has been requested by myself and many others repeatedly since Photoshop CS. Sure, you can customize pretty much every other aspect of the workflow and UI but why extend that to something so trivial as the toolbar right?!

                                                         

                                                        The Photohop team either has no clue or doesn't give a damn as to how artists use the product if they feel a smart workflow is to have the user look away to an external device to do something that should exist in the space where they are already working. Anyone who's ever done serious design work know's this is a HUGE FAIL!

                                                         

                                                        Guess the FASB has been telling Adobe since CS released that they couldn't incorporate a basic feature like that, but when another company developes an unrelated technology then Adobe is free to utilize that in an absurd manner and charge customers for a ridiculous implementation. Guess apps like Nav and Color Lava give some Adobe program manager a warm fuzzy of "Oh look we're embracing another platform." Who cares if it makes sense right?

                                                         

                                                        Jeez Adobe, after passing over the toolbar request for so long you would think you wouldn't charge for an app designed for that express purpose. Irregardless, it's still an insult to serious users of Photoshop to offer the functionality through an external device. What's next, the swatches panel on my iPhone??

                                                         

                                                        Apparently Mr. Cox will fall on the sword for Adobe and insist the FASB is the determining force in what they can update or incorporate for the benefit of the user.

                                                         

                                                        So yes Rokeby, you are correct in your feeling....many many long term users and supporters of Adobe products are going unconsidered. With developers at Adobe pitching such ludicrous explanations it's no wonder fundamental features have been removed or overlooked for so long. But hey, at least we still have the little wizard easter egg right. Sigh.....

                                                        • 25. Re: Does Adobe ever add features?
                                                          retouchMOJO Community Member

                                                          C Styles, Sorry but I'm getting a little tired of your aggressive 

                                                          approach to airing your personal dissatisfaction with Adobe's choice 

                                                          to charge for updates.

                                                          It isn't freeware, shareware or open source software. I think that 

                                                          should probably have been Chris Cox's answer, but instead he chose to 

                                                          give you more information.

                                                          More information which to a person unwilling to accept free 

                                                          enterprise, is just another point to counter.

                                                          Test yourself, and impress me by NOT countering this point. I'll be 

                                                          you can't.

                                                           

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                                                          • 26. Re: Does Adobe ever add features?
                                                            Chris Styles Community Member

                                                            Well M Lamy I will counter because funny thing is my existence & that of these forums is not about impressing you. If you get tired of direct feedback in forums that are designed for that express purpose then don't read it. Who's forcing you?

                                                             

                                                            If you would have truly read what was written then you could not come to the conclusion that I have any problem with Adobe or anyone for that matter charging for their product or updates. It's about the functionality that's included or removed. How could you miss that?

                                                             

                                                            I have purchased every version and worked extensively with every version of Photoshop since 4. The issue at hand is very fundamental functionality and customer suggestions being overlooked by Adobe or couldn't you discern that glaring point?

                                                             

                                                            Oh and addressing customer's personal dissatisfactions when they are vaild is part of being a free enterprise business. In a free enterprise system accounting standards organizations don't tell companies what features they can or can't include in a product. Charging or not is irrelevant. See, the solution is simple. Implement the functionality that has been requested for many years by a very substantial amount of users and charge for whatever version or update it comes with thereby showing your customers you pay attention to and appreciate their needs. This doesn't apply to every possible request, but what this thread has discussed is far from trivial or wish list. You don't sidestep adding functionality to a core application only to see it surface on an external device. Maybe once you've done some more retouching work you'll come to understand and appreciate that.

                                                             

                                                            Aimless, subjective comments like your's are not relevant to the topic and were only written to serve your narcissism.

                                                             

                                                            Take your challenges and utter lack of attention to what's going on and seek to be impressed on some kiddie blog that will serve your unjustified drivel. When you have something to say that addresses the topic of Adobe adding features, like the title of this posting indicates, then give your peanut opinion.

                                                            • 27. Re: Does Adobe ever add features?
                                                              c.pfaffenbichler Community Member

                                                              »The Photohop team either has no clue or doesn't give a damn as to how artists use the product«

                                                              But I assume Mr.Cox may be restrained from answering in kind by his patience and politeness.

                                                               

                                                              »Adobe would rather I purchase a toy of an app for my iPad(for the sake of the FASB I guess) to customize the Photoshop toolbar instead of including that functionality in Photoshop«

                                                              I may be missing your point here, but has that functionality not basically been available since CS4 with the free Configurator?