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    Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition

    _durin_ Adobe Employee

      Good morning Audition fans.

       

      As promised, I wanted to share the news and state of Adobe Audition as well as answer your questions about the new release and what the future holds. 

       

      First, Adobe announced the release of CS 5.5 Monday morning to coincide with our presence at the NAB convention in Las Vegas, NV.  Among the updates to the other applications in the Production Premium suite, the big news from my perspective was the inclusion of Audition into the Production Premium and Master Collection suites.  Soundbooth, the previous audio tool offered in the Suite, has been discontinued.

       

      Next, a little bit of history:  Adobe purchased Syntrillium 8 years ago in order to provide an audio solution to their video and broadcast production users.  At the time, Premiere Pro was a Windows-only NLE and Cool Edit, now Audition, was a great fit in the original Video Suite.  However, as Adobe recognized the value in the Suite model for users and the bottom-line, the other applications were updated to support Apple and Windows users.  The Audition team looked at the 15 years of legacy Windows code and were not confident the application could be ported quickly enough to satisfy the CS release schedule.  As an audio editor was necessary in the suite package, we created Soundbooth which was a simple audio editor built on top of Premiere Pro's media playback engine.  This enabled the team to provide value to the Suite, but the limitations of a playback engine crafted to handle large video files was not ideal for detailed audio production.  As a tool to assist with basic audio editing and restoration needs for a primarily video and motion graphics audience, it did find a userbase who appreciated the simplicity and ease of use, although leaving audio professionals and more savvy users wanting more.

       

      Immediately after each release of Soundbooth, the team continued working on Audition but it was apparent that Adobe did not need two audio tools in production and the more popular application was absolutely Audition.  We made the commitment to build Audition as a fully cross-platform solution and replace Soundbooth in the line-up, offering the power and fidelity of Audition without making the transition for Soundbooth fans too jarring.  For at least the past 7 years that I've been with the team, the most-requested feature has unequivocably been "Bring Audition to the Mac!"  There are numerous on-line petitions and forum threads demanding this happen.

       

      So we've spent the past two years re-writing Audition from the ground-up, preserving or updating our core DSP, modernizing the code to take advantage of current hardware and operating system technology, and emphasizing increased productivity and speed with every feature.  Updating or completely rewriting 15 years of C++ code takes time, and we recognized rather quickly that we were not going to reach feature parity with Audition 3.01 with this release.  We continuously prioritized our feature database based on our visits with customers big and small, and our awesome, secret, pre-release team.  Our core userbase has always been broadcast - radio, podcast, and video - and our focus for the CS 5.5 release was to build a platform that supported those workflows but remained open and flexible enough that expanding the application to support other audio users would be simple and straightforward.  As we approached the end of our development cycle, I think everyone on the team and in our pre-release program recognized how strong this application is and will be moving forward, even if some of our pet features did not make it into this release yet.

       

      In the next post, I'll describe what's new in Audition CS 5.5, what didn't make it into the application yet, and what we hope to accomplish in the next release.  As I mentioned before, Adobe has publicly committed to a more open release schedule with a major release approximately every 24 months with an additional mid-cycle release.  Not only will this allow us to bring more features to you more quickly, but will help with any hardware updates and purchasing decisions our users may encounter.  Additionally, and currently Audition is not part of this program yet, Adobe is offering installations on a subscription model with all upgrades rolled into the cost.  It will be interesting to hear feedback from our users how this solution works for their needs.

        • 1. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
          _durin_ Adobe Employee


          So what's new with Audition CS 5.5?

           

          The biggest item to note, obviously, is that Audition is now available for Windows and Apple OS X systems with feature parity on each platform.  (The only major difference between the two is support for Apple AudioUnit effects on OS X, in addition to VST support on both platforms.)

           

          The audio engine has been re-written to take advantage of multicore CPUs and multithreading.  Our goal was to provide performance that was better than Audition 3 on all supported platforms.  Audition CS 5.5 runs great on the lowliest netbook, and unbelievably fast on the latest 12- and 16-core systems.  Almost every operation runs in the background, so when you're rendering a hardcore time stretch or performing a session mixdown, you can continue working on other files or sessions.  (Apologies to smokers who won't be able to justify taking frequent breaks anymore - at least not because of Audition.)  OS X supports Core Audio, so  you can use any supported hardware, or create your own Aggregate Devices if you need to mix-and-match hardware.  Windows continues to support ASIO with a new engine, and offers MME support as well.

           

          All of our effects are channel-agnostic where applicable, so mono, stereo, 5.1, 7.1, 10.2, 82-channel, whatever you got.  They're all multithreaded as well, so they apply and process so nicely.  We've broken out the Audition and iZotope Radius time-stretch algorithms so you can choose which one to use.  (Auditions is faster and allows for gliding stretch, but may be prone to more artifacts, while iZotope's sounds beautiful but takes a heavy toll on your processor and patience.)  Many of the Diagnostic/Restoration tools are available as stand-alone effects or from within our Diagnostic panel which allows you to scan, preview, and repair transients with a lot more control than in the past.  Almost all effects and effects rack (including Edit View) are non-modal which means you can stack your effects, preview, adjust, and continue editing without committing your effects destructively until you're ready to do so.

           

          The waveform editor adopted the best productivity aspects of both Audition and Soundbooth, offering the split-screen waveform/spectral view, on-screen fade handles and HUD amplitude control.  The "NavBar" view along the top of the editor panel shows you your entire waveform along with the current viewing range, selections, etc.  Restoration tools such as the healing brush have been improved, and all edits are recorded in a History panel so you can quickly jump back or forward in your edit history.  The Level metering has been improved and updates faster with new display options.  File and session properties are displayed in a dedicated panel with appropriate option parameters available for quick adjustments. 

           

          The multitrack environment now allows you to specify your Master channelization in Mono, Stereo, or 5.1 modes, with additional options for bit depth and sample rate.  Effects can be added to tracks or clips with automation envelope control for both.  Automatic crossfades with new options, on-clip fade handles and volume and pan automation, and improved support for razor edits and slip editing.  Native 5.1 surround support with 5.1 panner integrated into the track controls with new Surround Reverb effects offer a lot of power for surround mixes.  The back-end player engine will make it almost trivial for Audition to support other surround formats in the future.  Background rendering has returned merged with Audition 3's Track Freeze functionality, so you can "freeze" a track, but continue modifying it without any other tinkering.  If you want to run resource-intensive effects, just flip the switch to quietly render these in the background and take more control of where your system resources are spent.

           

          For Premiere Pro users, you can send one or more clips to Audition for editing, or share an entire sequence.  Premiere will create an interchange file with reference video and clips with arbitrary handle durations which can be opened on the same system or shared with another person for audio editing, mixing, mastering, or ADR.  Once the mix is complete, you can send the session back to Premiere in one of several ways: separate stems for each audio track, for each bus, or a complete mixdown in mono, stereo, and 5.1.  These final clips are inserted back into the Premiere sequence and remain tied to the original Audition session for additional edits.

           

          In addition to native Premiere interchange support, Audition also imports and exports OMF and Final Cut XML sequences, so you can use Audition in conjunction with just about any other tool in your workflow.  Our OMF support is among the best I've used, and has handled some insanely complicated timelines with speed and grace.

           

          New features include improved Batch Processing tools, Volume Matching (to a variety of profiles) of multiple files, multitrack Phase Metering, and recordable Favorites which can be applied individually or as a Batch Process.  Automatic session saving and an improved Crash Recovery system helps prevent loss of work in the (hopefully unlikely) event of a crash.  Effects and plug-in scanning is improved and makes it easier to blacklist troublesome effects or see what might be causing troubles.

           

           

          So what's missing in Audition CS 5.5?

           

          Let me start by addressing the comments that features were "removed" from Audition.  Nothing has been officially deleted from the Audition feature list, but there is a lot that was in Audition 3.01 that has not been updated and ported to the new codebase.  In some cases, a feature did not make it into CS 5.5 because it fell too low on the priority list, others could not be developed to our level of expectations within the timeframe we had or without negatively impacting other features that were deemed more important for this release.  When facing some of these difficult decisions, we had to assess whether the feature fell into the toolkit of the video and radio broadcast workflow that we needed to support immediately.  In certain cases, we had to determine if it was feasible to ask users to rely upon functionality built into their OS.  Finally, we refused to compromise on many of our favorite features and if we did not feel we could build the best implementation of a tool, it was often a better decision to focus our resources and efforts where they would do the most good.  We continue to re-prioritize our feature backlog on a weekly basis as we move onto developing Audition CS 6, and many of the initial feature work was determined by our pre-release users and the features they most missed with CS 5.5.

           

          Some effects have not been ported at this time including Tone and Noise generation, Pitch correction (although Pitch Shifting is available through the Time and Pitch stretch tool,) Scientific filters, and Graphic Phase Shifter.  There are some new effects including a DeHummer, Surround Reverb, and Speech Volume Leveler.  We also continue to offer updates to several iZotope effects including the Tube-modeled and Multiband Compressors.

           

          MIDI functionality has not been addressed with this release.  At this time we have not implemented MIDI-based hardware control, playback, or virtual instrument sequencing.  I don't think anyone on the team was satisfied with the VSTi composition environment offered in Audition 3, nor with the implementation necessary to integrate it with the multitrack environment, and I hope that if it returns in the future, that we can offer a robust, integrated solution that can stand toe-to-toe with other sequencers.  Controller support is probably the bigger loss with this release, but I believe what we've got planned for the future will make almost everyone very happy.

           

          Another big loss is legacy session support.  One explanation for its absence was the difficulty in interpreting a one-to-one translation with Auditions new multitrack, effects, and uncompleted features.  Audition CS 5.5 will import as much as is applicable from an Audition 3.0 XML session, but big kudos need to go out to the forums own SuiteSpot, creator of AATranslator among other Audition-related applications, who has been working on a legacy session batch conversion tool which should release around the same time as Audition CS 5.5.  He has gone far and above the call of duty and is crafting an amazing solution.  I hope we are able to offer a comprehensive SDK in the future to allow our users to write their own tools and enhancements, customizing Audition to their personal needs.

           

          As has been discussed in other threads, Audition CS 5.5 does not include the ability to burn audio CDs from within the application.

           

           

          I sincerely believe that Audition CS 5.5 is an amazing application and with all due respect to the features that are missing when compared with previous versions, that this is possibly one of our strongest releases in speed and performance.  I hope that everyone will at least give the 30-day trial a chance when it is available for download in about a month.  The upgrade pricing is still $99 from any previous version of Audition, and for suite users, it's addition in the Production Premium suite should be very exciting.  If you find you are not able to use Audition CS 5.5 in your workflow, I hope that you'll let us know specifically what missing tools are most important to you as well as how the Audition 3 implementation might be updated to better suit your needs.  While I would love everyone to update - Audition CS 5.5 installs seamlessly alongside previous versions on the same computer - I understand that this release may not meet everyones expectations, and I hope you'll remain open to Audition CS 6 and continue to be an important member of the Audition community here and in other forums.

           

          I met with several of you at NAB this week, and have a notebook full of requests and comments.  Everyone I spoke to was energized about this release and even the most skeptical visitors were impressed when they sat through a demonstration or had a chance to use it.  The stage demonstrations of Audition always filled every seat in our theater, overflowed into the surrounding aisles, and often spilled into neighboring booths!  It was excellent to hear the responses and get feedback from so many people about this tool we've been working on so hard for the last two years.  Keep the comments and suggestions coming so that we can create the best application for our awesome users.

           

          Thanks!

          Durin

          • 2. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
            JSpragens Community Member

            Can you clarify a point about pricing?

             

            I have the CS5 Master Collection on Mac.

             

            It appears that my choice comes down to buying the full stand-alone Audition for $349 or upgrading the entire suite for $549.

             

            Since Windows users already had Audition in their "kitchen sink" suite, I was hoping there might be a special pricing option that would allow Mac users to bring their CS5 suites up to parity with what Windows users already had, for only a nominal fee.

            • 3. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
              _durin_ Adobe Employee

              Audition has not been a part of any Creative Suite release for Windows.  It was a part of a Windows-only Video Production Suite which predated the CS line.

               

              I'm not entirely certain what the policy is in this situation, but I don't believe there is a Suite-to-Point Product upgrade path for Audition or any other Adobe application.  I'll look into it, though.

              • 4. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                xrickrockx Community Member

                Awesome update, Durin. Count me in as an early adopter for the new Audition.

                • 5. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                  RonNovy Community Member

                  Just a reminder to those who need to convert sessions between different CEP or AA versions, Suite Spot has a nice free utility for it called Ses2Sesx.

                   

                  http://forums.adobe.com/thread/836498?tstart=0

                  http://www.aatranslator.com.au/ses2sesx.html

                   

                  There is of course Suite Spot's awesome AATranslator utility for converting between other DAW applications too.  AATranslator  may not be as pretty as ProConvert but AATranslator is a better app in my opinion and won't take such a huge chunk out of your wallet.

                   

                  http://www.aatranslator.com.au/

                  • 6. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                    Steve C2 Community Member

                    Hi Durin,

                     

                    Thank you for the very detailed post.  Sounds like a lot of exciting enhancements are coming our way.

                     

                    Some suggestions for CS 6...

                     

                    1) Although AA is a good sounding DAW, how about it becoming best of breed.  I am not too unhappy about the absence of the CD-burning functionality if it returns in CS 6 as best-of-breed.  Compare it to other DAW's.  I recently looked at the trial download of another DAW and AA seemt to fall short here, not that that DAW is necessarily the standard to beat.  Provide a burning capability that is truly suitable for mastering.  (It's not just AA that has a challenge ahead with write functionality.  The same can be said for Encore).

                     

                    2) Re-establish AA as a leader in innovation.

                     

                    3) Can some of the effects and tools be made more visual and or more "intelligent", rather than number oriented, than they currently are?  By intelligent, I mean that the software becomes more analytical and can optionally suggest settings, as opposed to presets".

                     

                    4) I don't know the true market for something like this, but I definitely am interested in something that would make video and audio clip synchronization easier than it currently is.  (I record audio off-camera and manually sync the clips since I don't utilize time-code synchronized equipment).  For that matter, it would be great if there were time-stretching algorithms that are non-linear.  Where one could specify that begin and end-points are in sync (for audio and video, or audio and audio) and AA could mathematically analyze based on length of clips and.or other factors, how things need to be stretched to keep them in sync.

                     

                    5) Provide some tools that would make it easier to use audio clips recorded by more than one recorder simultaneously and don't maintain syncronization.  That is, the clips start in sync, but due to clocking or other issues, fall out of sync before the recording is complete.

                     

                    6) Incorporate sampling tools in AA for things like EQ, etc.

                     

                    Steve

                    • 7. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                      xrickrockx Community Member

                      "4) I don't know the true market for something like this, but I definitely am interested in something that would make video and audio clip synchronization easier than it currently is. (I record audio off-camera and manually sync the clips since I don't utilize time-code synchronized equipment). For that matter, it would be great if there were time-stretching algorithms that are non-linear. Where one could specify that begin and end-points are in sync (for audio and video, or audio and audio) and AA could mathematically analyze based on length of clips and.or other factors, how things need to be stretched to keep them in sync."

                       

                       

                      Hi Steve C2,

                       

                      A company called Singular Software has already invented and published a program that does exactly this called Plural Eyes, which is compatible with Adobe Premiere CS4 and CS5.

                       

                      www.singularsoftware.com

                       

                      Hope this helps,

                       

                      -Rick

                      • 8. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                        ryclark Community Member

                        "For that matter, it would be great if there were time-stretching algorithms that are non-linear. Where one could specify that begin and end-points are in sync (for audio and video, or audio and audio) and AA could mathematically analyze based on length of clips and.or other factors, how things need to be stretched to keep them in sync."

                         

                        I would suggest a lockable sync marker within a clip that you can then stretch/shrink the clip from by moving the start and end points to match the video.

                        • 9. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                          _durin_ Adobe Employee

                          Thanks for the feedback so far.  I'll put any suggestions into our feature database as they come in.  I figured I'd show off a few screenshots of UI improvements, new features, and the like.  Let me know if you'd like any information on specific tools and I'll be happy to elaborate.  Several members of the team are hoping to post some tutorials or video tutorials in time for release, so any suggestions for that would be most welcome.

                           

                          Amplitude Statistics

                          This panel has always been modal meaning while it's visible, you have not been able to interact with the application, make new selections to scan, or continue editing.  With Audition CS 5.5, this tool behaves like most every other panel and can be docked or moved to another monitor or area of your desktop so you can have access as-needed.  Functionally, the tool has been improved to address some minor bugs and accuracy issues uncovered in Audition 3, and several new stats have been included such as Dynamic Range and Loudness levels.

                          Amplitude Statistics Panel.png

                           

                          Batch Processing

                          Batch Processing has been re-written as a dockable, standard panel as well and files can be dragged directly from the Files panel, from your OS File Browser, or from a standard OS Open File dialog available within the panel.  Stats about the file are displayed and the contents can be sorted as desired.

                          Batch Processing 1.png

                          Opening the process parameter dialog presents all options in a single panel rather than the 5 tabbed menu format from Audition 3.  Here, you can apply a recorded favorite to all files, adjust filenames with a prefix and postfix, choose format conversion settings, and a few additional cleanup options.  As the files are processed - in the background as with almost all operations, delegating the tasks across available processors - you'll see the progress indicators next to each file giving you quick, visual feedback on the status and remaining time to complete the operation.

                          Batch Processing Details.png

                           

                          Diagnostics Panel

                          Many of our restoration and diagnostic tools are now located in their own dockable panel including the DeClicker, DeClipper, Delete Silence, and Mark Audio tools.  While sensible defaults are selected for each tool, you may adjust the sensitivity parameters by clicking the "Settings" button.  After scanning the active file, all identified items (clicks, regions of silence, etc..) are displayed and can be brought into view and selected by a single-click on the entry row.  Repair one at a time or all at once. 

                          Diagnostics.png

                          • 10. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                            _durin_ Adobe Employee

                            Effects Rack

                            Waveform Edit View and Multitrack View now have a near-identical Effects Rack where you can layer, shuffle, preview, and adjust Audition's internal audio effects, and third-party VST and AudioUnits effects (AU on Mac only.)  In Waveform mode, this replaces the Mastering Rack from Audition 3 and is dockable and non-modal so you can continue editing, previewing different regions of your file, and anything else you might need to do before committing your effects stack and applying it to the file.  When in Multitrack mode, switch easily between Clip and Track effects mode depending either on what method you're most comfortable using, or mix-and-match based on your needs.  Both views allow you to create Rack Presets which are saved configurations of effects and parameters, and these can be shared between views.

                            Effects Rack.png

                             

                            Files Panel

                            The Files Panel displays more metadata and information about the files you have open than ever before.  You can enable or disable columns from the top-right panel tab so that only the information you need is displayed, and all columns can be resized and sorted to quickly organize your open files.  In addition to standard items such as Filename, Duration, Sample Rate, and Channels, you can display detailed information on the Source Format and Codec, Frame Rate, and more.  In addition, a Status column shows a small pie progress indicator for any files with operations proceeding in the background.  Make these files active to see a detailed status progress in the Editor window.

                            Files Panel with Status.png

                             

                            Frequency Analysis

                            In keeping with the theme, the Frequency Analysis panel is dockable and non-modal, so keep it running in your main window or on a secondary display for constant feedback and the frequency balance of your files or composition.  Eight hold buttons allow you to stamp a particular graph for comparison among a file or with other files.  In keeping with Audition CS 5.5's goal of reducing complexity while continuing to offer power users the parameters and control they love, twirling down the Advanced option gives access to detailed settings and additional data.  The Frequency Analysis panel operates in both Waveform and Multitrack views and is efficient enough that it can be kept open while playing the most demanding sessions.

                            Frequency Analysis.png

                            • 11. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                              _durin_ Adobe Employee

                              History Panel

                              One of the items carried over from Soundbooth was the Edit History panel which allows you to see all modifications you've made to a file or multitrack session and quickly jump backwards or forwards to easily A/B or undo a change. 

                               

                              History Panel.png

                               

                              Level Metering

                              Accurate levels is crucial to a proper mix or edit, and Audition CS 5.5 has improved accuracy and performance of all level meters including the Master levels, track levels, and effects rack Input/Output levels.  Change dB range, gradient, and even switch to LED view.  The Master levels meter can be docked horizontally or vertically depending on your preference, and provides information during playback or scrubbing.

                               

                              Levels LED.pngLevels Solid.png

                               

                              Match Volume

                              A new tool in Audition CS 5.5 enables you to adjust the volume levels of different files to ensure a consistent level between all assets.  Match to specific RMS or Loudness levels, or choose a particular file as a reference to match your other files.  This panel is also dockable and all operations take place in the background.  In addition, you can use this panel to piggy-back an additional Batch Processing operation, taking care of several pesky birds with one stone.

                               

                              Match Volume.png

                              • 12. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                Taverino Community Member

                                _durin_ wrote:

                                 

                                Thanks for the feedback so far.  I'll put any suggestions into our feature database as they come in.  I figured I'd show off a few screenshots of UI improvements, new features, and the like.  Let me know if you'd like any information on specific tools and I'll be happy to elaborate.  Several members of the team are hoping to post some tutorials or video tutorials in time for release, so any suggestions for that would be most welcome.

                                 


                                 

                                One useful tutorial for Production Premium Suite users like me would be a crash course on how we could use Audition for the most common tasks we are now doing in Soundbooth.   

                                • 13. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                  JSpragens Community Member

                                  I had thought my Windows-using example was from CS5, but I checked with him and found out he got Audition (version 2) with

                                  Adobe Creative Suite Production Studio Premium some years ago.

                                  Did you find out anything more about details of Mac pricing? Are my original assumptions (either full price for stand-alone or upgrade price for the suite) correct?
                                  • 14. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                    _durin_ Adobe Employee

                                    JSpragens wrote:

                                     

                                    Did you find out anything more about details of Mac pricing? 
                                    Are my original assumptions (either full price for stand-alone or upgrade price for the suite) correct?

                                     

                                    Our product manager hasn't gotten back from NAB yet to confirm, but from the documentation I have I'm almost certain this is the case.  The upgrade paths right now are for any previous stand-alone version of Audition or Soundbooth, or as part of an upgrade to the Master Collection or Production Premium Creative Suites.

                                    • 15. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                      Steve C2 Community Member

                                      Hi Rick,

                                       

                                      Thanks for the tip.

                                       

                                      Steve

                                      • 16. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                        Steve C2 Community Member

                                        Hi RY,

                                         

                                        Thanks.  I didn't consider this approach and I will be sure to try it.

                                         

                                        Steve

                                        • 17. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                          buzshaws Community Member

                                          Considering all the comprehensive features in CS 5.5, that it can be installed alongside of 3.01, and is a $99.00 upgrade (if I understood correctly), it seems reasonable at the very least to utilize the power and features it offers.  I presume it works well beside AA 1.5 too then?  I could see that as a possible pairing, as 1.5 is efficient and 5.5 should have what 3.01 does that 1.5 doesn't and vice-versa.  Hmmm....ok, will 5.5 accept rewire?  I'm just turning wheels here.  If it can talk to previous AA versions, or anything else, that certainly opens up more flexibilty too.

                                           

                                          I'm sure I speak for more than myself when I say all these examples you've illustrated for us help immensely in understanding the path ahead.  Especially the idea of why 5.5 is what it is at this stage, and that it is indeed a 1st stage, is encouraging.  Under these circumstances, to get the benefits of speed, efficiency, and updated functionality, and still maintain accessability to what works well already in AA is certainly comforting and welcome.  Thank you for giving us the opportunity to exhale, I'm now intrigued!

                                           

                                          Or, as HAL once said, "I understand now, Dr. Chandra. Thank you for telling me the truth."  :-)

                                          • 18. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                            SJDuff Community Member

                                            Dear Durin,

                                             

                                            Thank you for taking your time to post here about the new release, provide screen shot and explainations of what is new and how they work.

                                             

                                             

                                            I am what many would call a relative new comer to Audition, using for about 2 1/2 years. My original intent was for use as my 1 and only DAW in my home project studio.  However over the past 18 months I have developed a small clientele for whom I do voice overs and original music beds. (Nice to get paid for a hobby that I love.) During this time I have found my needs to have grown beyond what 3.01 and now 5.5 can do.

                                             

                                            I had hoped that this upgrade(?), would have included some features that would have made my workflow and music creation within Audition even better/easier then it already is. I am disappointed to find out that midi implementation has been dropped completely at this time.  The removal of the ability to group clips is also very problematic. I have not heard if there is now a multitrack overlay grid that can be set to divisions of the projects BMP and turned on and off, with snapping and nudging enabled to this grid. I was hopeful that time signature markers, for mutliple time signatures within a project would be included. I had hoped that when previewing clips/files within Audition you would be able to preview at project tempo.

                                             

                                            These are a few of the thing I had hoped to see, or are dissappointed they have been removed. I know, I will probably get jumped on by SteveG because, "it  was never meant to be music creation tool." Maybe not, but programs do evolve beyond original intent.

                                             

                                            I intend to give the trial a whirl. But to be honest, I have already moved on to another DAW to make up for that which is lacking in 3.01 and has been left out of CS5.5.  I am lookng forward to future releases in hopes I can come back and have my needs met.

                                             

                                            Duff

                                            • 19. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                              Eric Addison UGM-MVPs

                                              One quick question on the workflow with PPro - let's say I finish my edit, then send everything over to Audition for audio work. I create my mix, and send it back over to PPro and show my client. Clients, being what they are, now want changes in the video...can I re-edit in PPro and then send back to Audition without losing any changes already made in the mix, or do I have to re-do everything?

                                              • 20. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                Burnyno

                                                Im ok with cs 5.5 as long as midi sequencer and metronome will be back in Audition 6

                                                Thanks

                                                • 21. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                  David Polk Community Member

                                                  I'm very dissappointed that grouping of clips has been removed.  Grouping is such a natural part of my radio production/journalism workflow (and that of my colleagues).  If I want to adjust some timings in the middle of a piece I'm working on, in the past my clips would have already been grouped and I just have to shift it all over. Now, I have to manually click on each clip *every time.*  In a 7 minute radio piece I might have 50 clips and not having grouping makes it so easy to make mistakes.  Everything else about the Mac version of Audition (in the beta) works so beautifully, I'd hate to have to go back to running Parallels and Windows on my Mac just for Audition 3.0!

                                                   

                                                  Regards,

                                                   

                                                  David Polk

                                                  Producer

                                                  WFMT Chicago

                                                  • 22. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                    RJRadio Community Member

                                                    Wow no grouping is a real disappointment for me too.  I use it daily in radio sessions.  From updating client tags and inserts and just shift the grouped masters and such along with half hour programing that segments change each week too is going to be a pain.  For every day radio work it looks like I'lll be hanging on to AA 3.01 which is our daily work horse for broadcasting anyway.    I'll still play with the new version for sure and will probably upgrade and have both programs in place BUT.... I can already see for Radio Broadcasting production and features it will be AA 3.01 as our reliable work horse.   Too bad no one thought of this as Audition is pretty much the go to daw for broadcasters for over a decade or more.

                                                     

                                                    Cheers

                                                    • 23. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                      RonNovy Community Member

                                                      Clip grouping must have been one of those less important yet easy to implement things that hit near the bottom of the list.  This is what happens when your on a tight schedule with a lot to do.   But you never know, you might get a patch release that adds in some of those simpler features...  Just don't hold your breath waiting for it...

                                                       

                                                      Honestly though, with all the new features, I think this release will be a very productive one given the heavy use of parallel processing...  I'll have to find a way to slow things down when I'm on an hourly job.  Something like not using groups might just be it.

                                                      • 24. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                        SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

                                                        Well, I suppose you can justify just about anything if you try hard enough!

                                                         

                                                        You clearly missed your true vocation - as a spin doctor!

                                                        • 25. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                          RonNovy Community Member

                                                          True, but the harder you try to get them to pay you, the harder they try not to...

                                                           

                                                          I guess Spin Doctor should have been my name here in the forum...  Might have saved people from trying to understand a lot of my confusing posts.

                                                          • 26. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                            _durin_ Adobe Employee

                                                            Clip Grouping was a feature that came up too late in the development cycle to be implemented properly as it relied on the existence of a lot of other functionality.  It's not as simple as maintaining a list of which clips belong to which group.  Exclusive behaviors have to be addressed for crossfading, resizing, moving, inserting new tracks, overlapping clips detection, and a host of other concerns that one of the engineers more familiar with the code than myself would know.

                                                             

                                                            I know this release won't satisfy everyone and some of the missing features may be important enough that some users may choose not to upgrade.  I think CS 5.5 is an amazing application and I've personally used it exclusively for recording, mixing, and editing my own projects (although I do get paid to do so ) but I think there is a segment of our users for whom CS 6 will represent the true, full upgrade for their needs.  Had we not released CS 5.5, the CS 6 cycle would still represent the time frame we'd have needed for the re-write and updates.  If this the case, please see CS 5.5 as a preview of what's to come and where we're taking Audition.

                                                             

                                                            I would ask that those interested in taking a more active role in Audition's development, please send an e-mail to  audbugs@adobe.com  and ask to be considered for the CS 6 cycle pre-release program.  I can't promise everyone will be included, but it would be great to get a better cross-segment of our old and new user base when we have new builds and feature questions that need real user feedback.

                                                            • 27. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                              _durin_ Adobe Employee

                                                              As for the Premiere Pro workflow, I'll be putting together a more in-depth tutorial soon, but here's the basics:

                                                               

                                                              From the Premiere Pro timeline, I can choose to send my Work Area or an entire Sequence to Edit in Adobe Audition.  There's a few options available, but generally Premiere will render a DV movie file of my video and export copies of all clips in the timeline with handle durations specified by the user.  Audition is then automatically launched and the sequence appears a a native Audition session with the video reference track and all clips. 

                                                               

                                                              When all editing, ADR, mixing, surround automation, etc is complete, I can send data back to Premiere in a few different ways:

                                                              * Export all tracks as stems:  Send each audio track as a fully rendered stem. 

                                                              * Export all buses as stems: Send each bus track output as a fully rendered stem.

                                                              * Export mixdown: Send a mono, stereo, and/or 5.1 mixdown of the complete session.

                                                               

                                                              Premiere asks where to place these new clips and inserts them into the Sequence.  From these source clips, you can use the Edit Original command to open the Audition session which created them.  At this time, there's no ability to merge or sync subsequent changes to the Premiere timeline to the existing Audition session, but this is an area where we hope to offer additional improvements. 

                                                              • 28. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                _durin_ Adobe Employee

                                                                Hi Duff,

                                                                 

                                                                No dynamic tempo maps with CS 5.5, but it's definitely something I want to consider when the team addresses tempo improvements.

                                                                • 29. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                  SJDuff Community Member

                                                                  >>>>Durin Replied:

                                                                   

                                                                  Hi Duff,

                                                                   

                                                                  No dynamic tempo maps with CS 5.5, but it's definitely something I want to consider when the team addresses tempo improvements<<<<

                                                                   

                                                                   

                                                                   

                                                                   

                                                                   

                                                                   

                                                                  Cool Beans. I'm looking forward to it.

                                                                   

                                                                  Duff

                                                                  • 30. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                    Alex Radzishevsky Community Member

                                                                     

                                                                    I generally do not comment on big corporate forums, but this time I decided to participate. I hope my opinion will be taken into account.

                                                                     

                                                                    The matter is that Audition is often used by DSP engineers who do not deal with music/radio/broadcasting/etc, but work with sound and audio analysis in scientific purposes in process of DSP algorithms development, and in audio quality validation for different industries (voice communication, speech codecs, automotive, pro-/consumer, etc).

                                                                     

                                                                    These people silently use this tool and never appear at music communities/forums/etc., so Adobe team may not know about them. But you can see these people in every audio department of every company somehow involved in audio.

                                                                     

                                                                    Adobe Audition (and previously Cool Edit) is the only and the ultimate tool for these professionals. Such scientific features of Audition as filtering, signal/noise generation, extended spectral analysis, sample-precise editing, etc . are not replaceable by any other software. Other software editors are not suitable for these operations since they are designed mostly for music and simply do not have such extended tools that are absolutely necessary for the purposes described above.

                                                                     

                                                                    Lack of such tools as tone generation, noise generation, scientific filtering and others will not allow these engineers to upgrade. By the way, many of them are still using Cool Edit Pro because it is faster than Audition.

                                                                     

                                                                    I hope Adobe team cares about all its users and will take my scribble as a note in further development of Adobe Audition which is the greatest audio software.

                                                                    • 31. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                      MusicConductor Community Member

                                                                      Alex, as a long-time user of the software and member of related communities, I think I'll stick my nose out here to thank you for breaking your silence. and making a great point (and politely!).  Did you see the other thread concerning the release?  Durin invited feedback from the user community directly, as well as through a survey.  Perhaps you could get the word out to as many users you know as possible to let their voice be heard through this survey link:

                                                                      http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/auditionfeedback

                                                                       

                                                                      Meanwhile, AA3, or even 1.5, are great products for many things, and there's nothing wrong with sticking with them if they get the job done!  However, it's been a long time since I've done a job in 1.5 that I thought was faster.  But I know there are definitely some slicker spots.

                                                                       

                                                                      Good success to you, and thanks again for posting your point of view.

                                                                      • 32. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                        Wild_Duck Community Member

                                                                        I also think Alex has made a very important point. Those of us who test and maintain audio hardware also need the reliable test tools that the software traditionally provided.

                                                                        • 33. Video Playback
                                                                          Ray Tragesser Community Member

                                                                          Hello,

                                                                           

                                                                          Will the new Audition 5.5 be able to take advantage of any I/O card installed on the system (Blackmagic, AJA, Matrox, etc) that will allow the video to playout to a client monitor?

                                                                           

                                                                          Thanks

                                                                          Ray

                                                                          • 34. Re: Video Playback
                                                                            ryclark Community Member

                                                                            Unfortunately no it won't. This has been on the requested feature list for some time as many of us working in sound post need external video playback.

                                                                            • 35. Re: Video Playback
                                                                              Ray Tragesser Community Member

                                                                              Thats a real shame that Audition will not be able to playout video through a dedicated I/O card. That effectively eliminates it for any serious client session work relating to video post-production. Unless you like them looking over your shoulder at a small video clip on the screen. This is one of the main reasons why I never used Audition for much more than a Swiss army knife for file processing. The program is very nice and offers a tremendous bang for th buck. Not sure why Adobe is really advertising round tripping to Premiere Pro if there is no support for the same I/O hardware that is likely to be already installed on the system and being used with Premiere Pro. Hence the "Pro"

                                                                               

                                                                              Hopefully this is a high priority for version 6. If it is please contact to beta test that functionality.

                                                                               

                                                                              Ray

                                                                              • 36. Re: Video Playback
                                                                                _durin_ Adobe Employee

                                                                                Ray, please contact me at audbugs@adobe.com and we can discuss this further.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Thanks,

                                                                                Durin

                                                                                Adobe Audition

                                                                                • 37. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                                  therealdobro Community Member

                                                                                  Hi Durin - you describe Audition CS5.5's speed, arising out of its ability to take advantage of multi-core systems.  Nice.  But is it a 64-bit application now?  I'd like to get a Lexicon plugin (currently 32-bit) to use with Audition, but Lexicon are planning to release a 64-bit version fairly soon.  I'm wondering about compatibility, now and in the future.

                                                                                  • 38. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                                    _durin_ Adobe Employee

                                                                                    The CS 5.5 release of Audition remains a 32-bit application, although we are building it internally as 32- and 64-bit native applications.  The decision was made to remain 32-bit for this release for several reasons:

                                                                                    * A general lack of 64-bit VST plug-ins

                                                                                    * The need to support existing legacy effects in sessions

                                                                                    * A rather minimal improvement in performance and processing for audio (as opposed to video which greatly benefits from accessing more memory)

                                                                                    * A large existing userbase on older and legacy hardware who are unable or unwilling to upgrade their systems at this time.

                                                                                    * The increased testing hit which would draw time away from feature development for this release

                                                                                     

                                                                                    As we get closer to feature parity (and beyond!) to Audition 3, and as our users on older hardware are given time to prepare, I would expect us to release Audition as a native 64-bit application.  It will require updated agreements with many of the partners we license with as well, so it's not as simple as "flipping the 64-bit switch in the compiler."  It will allow Audition to sit a little bit better in the Production Premium suite, and if we approach virtual instrument sequencing in the future, 64-bit memory access allows for loading ENORMOUS sample libraries into RAM.

                                                                                    • 39. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                                      Steve C2 Community Member

                                                                                      Hi Durin,

                                                                                       

                                                                                      I was wondering if you could answer a few questions, please.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      1) There are some third-party plugins (Vongengo is one example) that are available in 64-bit.  Does one need to use the 32-bit plugins?

                                                                                       

                                                                                      2) Regarding the following

                                                                                      * A large existing userbase on older and legacy hardware who are unable or unwilling to upgrade their systems at this time.

                                                                                      * The increased testing hit which would draw time away from feature development for this release

                                                                                       

                                                                                      As we get closer to feature parity (and beyond!) to Audition 3, and as our users on older hardware are given time to prepare, I would expect us to release Audition as a native 64-bit application.  It will require updated agreements with many of the partners we license with as well, so it's not as simple as "flipping the 64-bit switch in the compiler."  It will allow Audition to sit a little bit better in the Production Premium suite, and if we approach virtual instrument sequencing in the future, 64-bit memory access allows for loading ENORMOUS sample libraries into RAM.

                                                                                      2) Wouldn't the odds of the userbase being willing to upgrade increase with a compelling feature set?

                                                                                      3) Since Premiere Pro is 64-bit and some third-party plugins are 64-bit, what kind of integration can AA CS 5.5 users expect with PrPro running 64-bit plugins and AA CS5.5?

                                                                                      4) For users that might need to keep AA 3.0.1 for certain functions when they upgrade to CS 5,5, are there any ramifications between moving back and forth between 5.5 and 3.0.1?  Has any testing been done on this and is there a recommended workflow?

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Thanks,

                                                                                      Steve

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