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      • 40. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
        the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

        I cannot tell Neale how very much I appreciate the contribution. I spent well over a year, begging for a PSE user to contribute, but none did. It took Neale about an hour, and all the useful info was there! I just asked all the wrong people...

         

        Hunt

        • 41. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
          Wick 0101

          Hi Bill,

          I have a question about the Presets for my slide show. I want the best quality images possible (obviously).

          Everyone in the group that I am making the slide show for has a LCD HD TV but most have a DVD player not a blue ray or HD player.

           

          Do DVD players have a size constraint for play back?

           

          Should my preset then be?

          DV - NTSC Widescreen 48KHZ Frame size 720h 480v pixel Aspect ratio 16:9 (1.2121) or

          HDV > HDV 1080i30 960i)  Frame size: 1440h 1080v (1.3333) Frame rate: 29.97 frames/second Pixel Aspect Ratio: HD Anamorphic 1080 (1.333)

          Digital SLR > 1080p > 1080p30 @ 29.97 Frame size: 1920h 1080v (1.0000)  Frame rate: 29.97 frames/second Pixel Aspect Ratio: Square Pixels (1.0)

           

          If i make it in the Digital SLR format witch appears to be the best quality can I export it to lesser quality such as the the DV NTSC?

           

          I also wanted to confirm that you bring in your photo's into Premiere  in PSD format. I am double checking as there was lots of discussion on the topic and the JPG seems to be lots smaller . I processed the JPG from the original PSD and saved it at Maximum 12

          Original RAW 10.78 MB Dimensions 3888 X 2592 

                      JPG    6.71 MB Dimensions 3888 X 2592

                      PSD  57.70 MB Dimensions 3888 X 2592

          Resised Frome the PSD

                      JPG     1.74 MB Dimensions Resized1920X1080

                      PSD     11.9 MB Dimensions Resized1920X1080

           

          I am new to adobe premiere I really appreciate the help.

          • 42. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
            RalphRalphKirkland

            Bill, another question...

             

            My project is for DV NTSC Widescreen. Will I have to select 4:3 for the image re-sizing to work in Premiere.

             

            So far, I have opened the large files in Photoshop Elements and saved for the Web, selecting a low or medium quality JPG. Some of the images did fine in the final avi file, but some did not.

             

            I suppose that saving the jpeg for the web didnt really downsize the pixels, it just made the file smaller in terms of KBs. Correct?

            • 43. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
              the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

              As an update on the Scaling algorithms in PrPro vs those in PS, with the CS5 version, Adobe has changed things for the better. The Scaling algorithms in PrPro CS5 are now the same as in PS, as the MPE (Mercury Playback Engine) allowed for this extra processing. The quality will not differ between doing the Scaling in PrPro, or PS. However, the processing overhead for overly-large stills will exist. They require a lot more resources to process, and one is still better off doing the Scaling prior to Import.

               

              Hunt

              • 44. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                kdoc2 Community Member

                When you speak of the processing load--does that occur just  the one time you set it up, or does it occur every time you play it, while working on the project and after it's in its final form?

                 

                And concerning the prior  question, bringing the  image down  to 1920 by 1080, when you're editing at that size: If you plan to pan or zoom, why would you not bring it to a larger size: so that you can show a magnified partial view with good image quality? What I'm wondering is: I could make the file larger in PS, and then downsize while in PrP when I want to show the entire image; Or, I could make it 1920 x 1080 in PS, and upsize in PrP. Hunt: do you have any idea which would produce the best overall image quality in both the zoomed and full image?

                 

                kdoc

                • 45. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                  the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                  The processing load is for everything involving the large still. Now, playback will be helped, if one Renders the Timeline w/ those stills, as that basically creates a "proxy" AVI file, that is then played back. When you go to Export, you will have to reprocess the large stills.

                   

                  When I need to Pan on a Zoomed out image, I will Scale it to just what I need in PS, and will Crop, say all unused vertical pixels, if there are any. This might mean that I will have a bunch of stills, sized to the Frame Size of the Project, then some a bit larger, and maybe some larger still, all Scaled to what I need, so that my NLE does not have to shove around a bunch of extra pixels. That reduces the overhead, and also gives me the best quality possible.

                   

                  If I have to Pan on a giant image, say 10,000 pixels x 480, I use AfterEffects, as it handles larger still images and processes those differently.

                   

                  Hope that helps,

                   

                  Hunt

                  • 46. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                    kdoc2 Community Member

                    Hunt: Thanks very much for all this help.

                     

                    I follow you in theory, but not in practice. How the devil do you know what you'll need? Let's say you've got this full image which is initially 3888 x 2995 or something like that. And you're editing at 1920 x 1080. OK, you  can  bring it down to 1620 x 1080 (3:2 aspect) uncropped, or crop it to 1920 x 1080--and that can be your full size image.

                     

                    But what if I plan to zoom/pan--how do you determine what size and crop to bring over from PS to Premiere?

                     

                    And also: Is that extra effort in PS worth the time? Do you really get a better quality image? After all, with more powerful computers, 64 bits, more RAM now, Mercury Playback, etc. does it matter image quality wise and/or does PrP really need that help or can it now (CS5) handle the  "load"?

                     

                    kdoc

                    • 47. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                      kdoc2 Community Member

                      Hi Hunt: sorry to bother you, but could you please answer the question I posed after your last post.

                      I'm just wondering how you  make the calculation so that you decide exactly how you'll crop and resize a given image?

                       

                      Thank you

                       

                      kdoc

                      • 48. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                        the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                        Sorry, but I've been in the air for the last three days, and just got back tonight.

                         

                        When I need images larger, than the Frame Size of my Project, I just calculate how much motion I will need, say 2400 horizontal pixels for Pans on a 1920 Project. That is what I will Scale to. If I do not need any vertical motion, then I will Crop the image to 1080 pixels for the vertical. I find no need to include unused pixels in my still images.

                         

                        If I need really large Pans, then I just use AfterEffects, as it can handle very, very large images, and does so in a manner differently, than PrE/PrPro does.

                         

                        Hope that this helps and good luck,

                         

                        Hunt

                        • 49. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                          wallmg35

                          I've read through this whole post, and I appreciate the hard work. But I'm having a hard time understanding how I should scan my photos for a SD widescreen slide show with pan and zoom effects. What should the pixels be set at? Thanks.

                          • 50. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                            the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                            For static placement, or Pans on a Zoomed IN image in an SD Project, the Frame Size of that Project would be adequate, i.e. 720 x 480 for NTSC.

                             

                            If you need to Pan on a Zoomed OUT image, you can calculate the horizontal pixel dimensions needed to achieve your Pan, and Scale to that. For SD, I try to keep the size to about 1000 x 750, and if I have many of those, will even Crop the vertical dimension to, say 480. If I also need to Tilt, I will leave things as they are. The reason that I Crop is that I do not like to have to process pixels, that I will not be using.

                             

                            In my case, I treat each image as unique (as I come from an advertising still background), so it's easy to decide exactly how each image will be treated. I never use any automation of Pans, or Zooms, as there is no way for the program to know what is important to me in those images, and that important focal point will be different in each one.

                             

                            If I need to Pan on a large panorama image, I will most often do that in AfterEffects, as it handles large stills better than an NLE (Non Linear Editor), though PrPro CS5 has improved the large still handling, along with the Scaling algorithms, so things are better with it.

                             

                            Hunt

                            • 51. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                              kdoc2 Community Member

                              Thanks Hunt,

                               

                              I experimented for 1/2 day with this in Premiere Pro CS5, which works with the new Mercury Playback Engine and speeds things up, even with large images. Here's what I discovered editing for a 720p (i.e. the vertical frame will be 720 pixels).

                               

                              If I leave my Canon 40D RAW image its original size (3888x2592), perhaps with about amount 50 radius 1.0 in Smart Sharpening in Photoshop, I can either upsize or downsize and get excellent image quality. For example, Scaling down to 28% makes fit vertically. And scaling up to 250 or even higher gives me a good zoom and/or pan. Both with good image quality. This way I don't have to make calculations with every image or decide ahead of time what I want to do in premiere. I don't know whether I'll clog my system eventually with these large sizes?

                               

                              Or alternatively, I can downsize the 2592 dimension (landscape image)  in Photoshop to a 1440 vertical--that will work fine with panning; but you lose quality if you wish to zoom.

                               

                              One problem or bug I'd like to ask about. If I resize by dragging in the Program Panel, the image comes out blurry. What I have to do then is downsize in the Effects Panel, click outside the white bounding box, and the blur disappears--then upsize again from the Effects Panel. What's with that? Why does clicking the actual image in Program Panel and/or dragging the white bounding box cause blurriness.

                               

                              kdoc

                              • 52. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                                According to Adobe, MPE allowed them to basically use the same Scaling algorithms from PS, so things really got better. I have had to amend my comments to reflect that improvement.

                                 

                                One problem or bug I'd like to ask about. If I resize by dragging in the Program Panel, the image comes out blurry. What I have to do then is downsize in the Effects Panel, click outside the white bounding box, and the blur disappears--then upsize again from the Effects Panel. What's with that? Why does clicking the actual image in Program Panel and/or dragging the white bounding box cause blurriness.

                                 

                                This is odd. With the Program Monitor, one has just an emulation. Even in PS, there are some operations, where when applying Filters, etc., the image degrades horribly, until one "accepts" the Filter. Then, the image redraws quickly, and all is good again. First few times that one sees that degrading, can be pretty frightening, as the image goes to pot. I wonder if similar is happening with the Bounding Box? Just thinking there.

                                 

                                I would assume that regardless of how one Scales, the exact same algorithms would be applied, and wonder if it's just the display.

                                 

                                Good luck, and thanks for reporting,

                                 

                                Hunt

                                • 53. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                  kdoc2 Community Member

                                  Thanks Hunt:

                                   

                                  This leaves three questions, if you have a line into Adobe (or if you work for Adobe?):

                                   

                                  1. Is the scaling interpolation smart enough that when you scale down substantially in PrP it uses Bicubic sharper; and when you scale up substantially it uses Bicubic smoother? That would be awesome if it did. lBut anyway, the image looks good on full screen Program playback, so.... why worry!

                                   

                                  2. Once you've zoomed/panned, (and assuming the software didn't crash with the larger file sizes), and then you've exported--is the file size kept by the exported product only that of your final resizings, or does it keep the file size you put in from Photoshop (say, 28 M)? To put the question differently, if I import a 28 M psd file, but then only use it at 28%, is the final exported and rendered size which is stored 28 M or smaller?

                                   

                                  3. If one were to save the Photoshop file as a jpg file it would be smaller, and less likely to crash PrP. If we then scale up and down, and up and down, etc. experimenting with an optimal scaling and panning, does that deteriorate the image each time you change it (as does opening and changing, and then closing a jpg image generally?

                                   

                                  Just  wondering...

                                   

                                  Thanks

                                   

                                  keith

                                  • 54. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                    the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                                    Kdoc,

                                     

                                    I will try to get the word on #1, as I just do not know which of the PS algorithms might be used, and under which circumstances.

                                     

                                    For #2, let's see if this example works. First, the Exported AV file ONLY shows the exact pixels, visible in the Frame. Imagine that you have a 20 x 24 matte, with an 8 x 10 aperture in the middle. That 8 x 10 is the Frame Size of the Video. You have a 16 x 20 photograph below that matte. What happens with a Pan is that you effectively move your 16 x 20 photograph, below the aperture. Only an 8 x 10 area will ever be seen. Doing the Export is akin to taking a photograph of that 8 x 10 aperture - you will ever only see what is inside that. Same with Video. All of the extra pixels will not exist in the Exported AV file, though they would still be ready, if you revisited your Project.

                                     

                                    #3, the "damage" has already been done with the JPEG compression. No more JPEG compression will be done, unlike re-Saving a JPEG, as JPEG. However, compression is likely, as with H.264, or MPEG-2. I do not like JPEG, because data is thrown away. Ideally, the loss of that data will not be seen by the average viewer, especially at higher PS JPEG numbers (lower-compression). Still, in my tests, I can see the difference between a RAW image converted to JPEG vs one kept as PSD, even in Video. If you are cool with the JPEG compression, you will ONLY loose data, when you compress at Export, but it's pretty much the same for the Video too. One little twist to that last statement: if one uses a 2-pass compression Export, and the JPEG's are static, or have little animated motion in them, then the compressor will apply more compression to them vs Video with rapid motion. That is the beauty of a VBR 2-pass compression scheme. So, the JPEG's could get more compression on Export.

                                     

                                    Good luck, and answers to #1 in the works.

                                     

                                    Hunt

                                    • 55. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                      Todd_Kopriva Adobe Employee

                                      > According to Adobe, MPE allowed them to basically use the same Scaling algorithms from PS, so things really got better.

                                       

                                      Actually, with CUDA processing, Premiere Pro CS5 uses a scaling algorithm that is even better than what Photoshop uses.

                                       

                                      > I will try to get the word on #1, as I just do not know which of the PS algorithms might be used, and under which circumstances.

                                       

                                      Premiere Pro CS5 doesn't use a different algorithm for upscaling versus downscaling. The factors that determine what algorithm is used are 1) whether CUDA processing is being used and 2) whether Maximum Render Quality is chosen. The details are here.

                                      • 56. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                        the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                                        Todd,

                                         

                                        Thank you so much for the clarifications and enlightenment.

                                         

                                        Appreciated,

                                         

                                        Hunt

                                        • 57. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                          kdoc2 Community Member

                                          Both responses are very helpful. From this I've (temporarily) decided to neither upsize or downsize in Photoshop--as long as the system isn't freezing; based on your answer Hunt, there would be no point to it. And I'm delighted I'm using CUDA--It looks like I can resize in Premiere without hesitancy and get excellent quality from my still images. I'll stay with not using JPEG's, as has been the case in PS.

                                           

                                          But most important, let me say how delighted I am with the responsiveness and clarity of the answers in this forum. One could not ask for more. You know, I almost moved to a Mac, since all the people I knew used Final Cut. I'm delighted I decided against this--Premiere is terrific now, and is overwhelming  FCP as we speak! And the support we're getting is equally wonderful.

                                           

                                          Thank you all.

                                           

                                          kdoc (Keith)

                                          • 58. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                            the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                                            Kdoc,

                                             

                                            Thank you for the kind words. Much needs to be directed at Todd, as he has helped me rewrite things to apply to CS5. His supportive assistance can never be fully and adequately recognized. His team's presence on the forum are greatly appreciated.

                                             

                                            Happy editing,

                                             

                                            Hunt

                                            • 59. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                              kdoc2 Community Member

                                              I just came upon this link:

                                              http://library.creativecow.net/harrington_richard/Premiere-Pro_Photoshop-Document/1

                                              and thought it fit in well with the topic. It's particularly useful if you don't want black borders on your frame (due to the 16:9 aspect ratio of a high def Premiere frame, and the typical 3:2 aspect of many DSLR's). This tecnique is fine for placing an image full view into Premiere. If one plans to zoom/pan, instead of using 720x1280, for example, you might double the dimensions. Frankly, I'm not sure this isn't more trouble than its worth--all of what it does can be done by resizing in PrP now.

                                               

                                              kdoc

                                              • 60. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                                                Kdoc,

                                                 

                                                Thanks for adding to this thread. Could you please check the link - it kept coming up as dead for me. Think that something might be missing.

                                                 

                                                Appreciated,

                                                 

                                                Hunt

                                                • 61. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                  kdoc2 Community Member

                                                  http://library.creativecow.net/tutorials/adobepremierebasics

                                                   

                                                  For some bizarre reason I can't seem to get a link into this. But if you select and copy the above, and paste it into the browser as a URL, then scroll down to "Need a Photoshop Document" you'll have it. Then you can tell me how I should have gotten that to register correctly here

                                                   

                                                  kdoc

                                                  • 62. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                    the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                                                    Kdoc,

                                                     

                                                    Did not check every character, but this looks close to the one before, but with one major difference - the Creative Cow article pops up with this one!

                                                     

                                                    Thank you, and I am sure that it will help others - the purpose of the Tips & Tricks sub-forum.

                                                     

                                                    Appreciated,

                                                     

                                                    Hunt

                                                    • 63. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                      kdoc2 Community Member

                                                      Todd (and Hunt), can you tell me something about the deep workings of Premiere. I'm bringing in still images which I intend to pan/zoom--sometimes a little, at times a lot. I'm just bringing in the size that came  off the camera 3888x2592. So in a 720p video, I'm initially seeing a markedly zoomed portion of the image, and the scaling calls that "100%". Is there any difference to Premiere at all whether I handle them:

                                                           a. Down-size, by scaling down to around 28% to see the entire image, and to around 35% or whatever for zooming/panning?    Or...

                                                           b. Scale to Frame Size to begin with, in which case the entire image is called 100% scale by Premiere, and then to pan/zoom I have to upsize to a scale of over 100%.

                                                       

                                                      In effect what I'm asking is whether we're upsizing in one method and downsizing in another, and whether it makes any difference to the overall quality of the images or the ease by which Premiere handles the files?

                                                       

                                                      Thanks

                                                      kdoc

                                                      • 64. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                        the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                                                        Kdoc,

                                                         

                                                        If you are not Panning on a Zoomed out image, just go with a Scale to the Project's Frame Size, say 640 x 480 with PAR = 1.0 (Square Pixels, which is what most stills will be), or 720 x 480 with PAR = 0.9, or 1.2 (Standard 4:3, or Widescreen 16:9, if non-square pixels are used).

                                                         

                                                        Now, if I need to do a Pan, on a Zoomed out image, I will calculate how many pixels I'll need, then Scale to that. for SD Projects, the 1000 x 750 is a good max size, and allows one to do those Pans, with the Zoomed out image. I will usually Crop out vertical pixels, unless I am doing any Tiltes too, as they are not needed, and will never be seen. In a few cases, I have needed more pixels in the horizontal, say for a Pan on a panoramic image. In that case, I will calculate how many horizontal pixels I need, and Scale to that. Then, I will Crop off any unnecessary vertical pixels. The fewer the unnecessary pixels, the lower the overhead for the computer and the NLE. No since in pushing pixels, that will never be seen.

                                                         

                                                        If I have a major pano image, I just use AfterEffects, as it handles large stills differently and better, than PrE/PrPro.

                                                         

                                                        Hope that this helps,

                                                         

                                                        Hunt

                                                        • 65. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                          kdoc2 Community Member

                                                          Actually, while your responses are always very helpful--and very much appreciated--in this case it's not what I'm asking. I'm using a different approach than you, and I put the whole large image into Premiere (3888 x 2592). Then I resize in Premiere--because Todd said the interpolation is so good there, and the computer seems to handle it fine. I'm asking whether it's better or worse or indifferent to start with setting "Scale to Frame Size", and then resize in the Video Effects/Motion Panel, or whether I  should skip "Scale to Frame Size" and do all the resizing using the Effects Panel?

                                                           

                                                          kdoc

                                                          • 66. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                            the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                                                            Kdoc,

                                                             

                                                            With PrPro CS5, this is your call. If your computer is easily handling the overly-large images, then there is no reason to Scale outside of PrPro. I do so, as I find no need to work with pixels that will be thrown away. If all is working for you, then you save a step. If you start seeing slowdowns, then you can always go back and Scale those in PS.

                                                             

                                                            Good luck,

                                                             

                                                            Hunt

                                                            • 67. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                              Todd_Kopriva Adobe Employee

                                                              Think of it this way: If you scale the image once and then work with the resized image as a source asset, then you've just spent the time to rescale it once. But if you work with the full original image, you force Premiere Pro to scale the image each time that it's used. Even with a powerful computer, that can be a considerable performance hit. If you're just working with one image, maybe the convenience of just working with the original and scaling on the fly in Premiere Pro is a good tradeoff; but sometimes the balance of benefits tilts the other way.

                                                               

                                                              There's a section in Premiere Pro Help that goes into some detail about these recommendations.

                                                              • 68. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                                the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                                                                Todd,

                                                                 

                                                                Thanks for that clarification and for the link.

                                                                 

                                                                Much appreciated, as it will be helpful to others.

                                                                 

                                                                Hunt

                                                                • 69. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                                  kdoc2 Community Member

                                                                  Todd, I too appreciate your help and comments, and the excellent reference. But here's what I'm wondering. Let's say that with 80-90% of the images one plans on having at least some movement (panning or zooming). That means that Premiere will always be going from one size or position to at least one more, perhaps two--sometime going from larger to smaller, other times the other way. And you'll be creating in Premiere, so the exact zoom or movement isn't known  ahead of time--it depends on the final order of the images, the rhythm, duration, audio, etc., and all of that is in creative flux.  It seems like you might as well routinely scale to 2 times each frame dimension or so in Photoshop, and just work starting there in Premiere--but avoiding up-resolutioning. What do you think of this approach?

                                                                   

                                                                  kdoc

                                                                  • 70. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                                    Todd_Kopriva Adobe Employee

                                                                    There are no hard and fast rules. The goal is to not use a source image that is too large for no good reason. Work with whatever size works best for you under the circumstances. If the image is just a static background plate, make it exactly the size of your frame; if it will be panned across, make it bigger than your frame. But don't bring in 5,000x5,000 pixels when you only need 1920x1080.

                                                                    • 71. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                                      the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                                                                      Kdoc,

                                                                       

                                                                      The only time that one needs an image larger than the Frame Size is if they are Panning on that image, Zoomed out. Otherwise, one can Zoom in and Pan around, without having to use the larger image.

                                                                       

                                                                      When one does need to Pan on the Zoomed out image, it's easy to determine how far beyond the Project's Frame Size, they will need to go. That will determine how large the image needs to be, and the user can then Scale to that size, prior to Import. Both PrE and PrPro can handle images, larger than the Project's Frame Size, and in basically two ways: they can use them, as they are, and will only see the pixels in the "aperture" of the Frame Size, but have the extra pixels for those Pans on Zoomed out images; or the programs can be set to automatically Scale to Default Frame Size. The drawback to using overly-large still images in PrPro CS5 (Quality IS still a concern in PrE, and earlier versions of PrPro), is the overhead required to handle them. That is why I try to keep the images to the size that I will need, either at the exact Frame Size, or with just enough pixels to accommodate my needs to Pan on the Zoomed out image, say a Pan on a panorama image.

                                                                       

                                                                      Also remember that though one has extra pixels in an image, ONLY those within that "aperture" of the Frame Size, will be seen at any one time. Imagine that you have a 20 x 24 black matte, and it has an 8 x 10 aperture in the middle (this is the equivalent of the Project's Frame Size) . You then have an 11 x 14 photograph (your still image in your Project), and you have placed it below that matte. You can move your 11 x 14 photograph below that aperture, but can only ever see the 8 x 10 of the aperture. The rest of that image are hidden, like the extra pixels of an overly-large still. Those unseen, unused pixels must be processed, so do take processing horsepower.

                                                                       

                                                                      Good luck, and hope that this helps,

                                                                       

                                                                      Hunt

                                                                      • 72. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                                        kdoc2 Community Member

                                                                         

                                                                        It's getting more and more clear. I'll try and recapitulate: I (we) need to make every effort to not bring more pixels than we will use!! And certainly not a great excess of pixels! And I do understand that everyone does this a little different--"whatever works," so to speak.  I'm also hearing that if one plans on upsampling the original image, for a major zoom, it should be done in Photoshop, according to the link Todd sent--probably because interpolation in Premiere (particularly when GPU acceleration is not available) may not be as good as in Photoshop Bicubic Smoother. (i.e. The article suggests that upsampling in Premiere will result in significant degradation in image quality). Preparing in an image which then becomes around twice the Premiere frame size in each dimension, sRGB; *.psd would probably be a reasonable "batch" action to perform on those images one plans to zoom and/or pan--assuming you don't know exactly how you're going to use the image in Premiere.

                                                                         

                                                                        Any disagreements? Thanks again, all.

                                                                         

                                                                        kdoc

                                                                        • 73. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                                          Todd_Kopriva Adobe Employee

                                                                          >  I'm also hearing that if one plans on upsampling the original image, for a major zoom, it should be done in Photoshop, according to the link Todd sent--probably because interpolation in Premiere (particularly when GPU acceleration is not available) may not be as good as in Photoshop Bicubic Smoother. (i.e. The article suggests that upsampling in Premiere will result in significant degradation in image quality).

                                                                           

                                                                           

                                                                          The scaling available in Premiere Pro CS4 and earlier and Premiere Elements is worse than the scaling available in Photoshop.

                                                                           

                                                                          The scaling available in Premiere Pro CS5 with CUDA processing is better than the scaling available in Photoshop.

                                                                           

                                                                          The scaling available in Premiere Pro CS5 without CUDA processing is the same as the scaling available in Photoshop.

                                                                          • 74. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                                            kdoc2 Community Member

                                                                            Great Todd: That nails it down.

                                                                             

                                                                            kdoc (keith)

                                                                            • 75. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                                              dan2468

                                                                              Man, there's a lot of detail in this thread. I'll have to read through it a couple of times to gaterh it all in. Thanks for the info.

                                                                              • 76. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                                                the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                                                                                Yes, the thread has grown a bit. It started, when almost everyone was doing only SD Projects, hence the 720 x 480 pixel references early on. Then HD really took off, and the Frame Sizes grew to 1920 x 1080, and if one wanted to Pan on a Zoomed Out still, they grew just a bit more, but still below the pixel x pixel dimensions that most still cameras shoot, and below the 4096 x 4096 max (that might have changed upward in PrPro CS5, but I cannot remember now).

                                                                                 

                                                                                Then, part of the thread got thrown out, regarding Scaling algorithms, when PrPro CS5 added the Mercury Playback Engine, and greatly improved the Scaling algorithms. PrPro CS5 could not Scale up there with Photoshop, and maybe even better. Still, if one is NOT on CS5, or if they are using PrE, the quality issue is one that needs to be addressed.

                                                                                 

                                                                                One strong consideration still remains - the processing overhead with overly-large stills. If one Scales in PS, then there are not extra pixels, that have to be processed in the NLE. If one lets the NLE do the Scaling, there is still that processing overhead on the computer, and that can bring a large Project, with lots of big stills, crashing down.

                                                                                 

                                                                                As an aside, I still recommend NOT using JPEG compression, but keeping with PS's native PSD format for quality, whether the scaling is done in the NLE, or in PS.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Happy reading,

                                                                                 

                                                                                Hunt

                                                                                • 77. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                                                  Todd_Kopriva Adobe Employee

                                                                                  > ...the 4096 x 4096 max (that might have changed upward in PrPro CS5, but I cannot remember now).

                                                                                   

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Yes, that's much different now:

                                                                                  http://blogs.adobe.com/premiereprotraining/2010/07/maximum_dimensions_in_premiere.html

                                                                                  • 78. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                                                    the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                                                                                    Todd,

                                                                                     

                                                                                    You may have even pointed me to that link, as I did feel that the size had been increased in PrPro CS5. Unfortunately, when trying to remember every number that I have encountered over my lifetime, can be tough. Hey, I still remember a cubic inch of carbon steel weighs .2833 lbs, and for most stainless steel, it's .2917 lbs...

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Thank you for the clarification.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Hunt

                                                                                    • 79. Re: Large Still Images into PE - One Workflow
                                                                                      schuel2 Community Member

                                                                                      I have become aware that my project is burning up memory and causing frequent out of memory errors.

                                                                                      I am way down the creation path having used many still images that are 2560 X 1920 pixels and I am wondering what is the best way for me to correct my project situation now. Appears I need some batch software to condense my image sizes.

                                                                                      My Project Settings currently use 720 X 576 PAL output but maybe I want widescreen format.

                                                                                      What resolution images are recommended?

                                                                                       

                                                                                      I have 6 parts to my project and I am half way through part 2.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      If I need to redress all my images then I assume that is going to screw everything I have edited and produced so far.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      I guess I could lock away part 1 that I have finished and start afresh using lower resolution still images from now on. So would it be recommended that I park my project that has used large resolution images and start working on new projects which can be merged together later?

                                                                                       

                                                                                       

                                                                                      David