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      • 40. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
        _durin_ Adobe Employee

        Hi Steve C2,

         

        1. Yes, 64-bit plug-ins are not compatible with 32-bit applications (and vice versa.)

         

        2. A significant portion of Audition's userbase is in the radio industry, and those folks will be the first to agree that hardware upgrades are about the last thing considered in any budget discussions.  In order to ensure continued support for these folks, Audition needed to continue to support Windows XP 32-bit, and work well on older, single-core hardware with limited RAM.  In any case, I wouldn't expect any customer to update their hardware in order to use Audition, rather I would hope they might consider it to make the experience better.

         

        3. With CS 5.5, there is no plug-in compatibility between Audition and Premiere Pro.  When sending a Premiere Pro sequence to Audition, you have the opportunity to render effects prior to sending them or to ignore them completely.  When Audition moves to support 64-bit platforms, I'd expect to see a much tighter integration between Audition and Premiere and the ability to easily share effects.

         

        4. The only problems you should run into when using Audition 3 and CS 5.5 simultaneously would be if both apps were attempting to access the same ASIO device.  Audition 3 allows you to run multiple instances of the application, but CS 5.5 does not.  You can, however, open multiple sessions at once so this should be less of a concern.

        • 41. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
          Steve C2 Community Member

          Hi Durin,

           

          Many thanks!

          Steve

          • 42. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
            SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

            _durin_ wrote:

            4. The only problems you should run into when using Audition 3 and CS 5.5 simultaneously would be if both apps were attempting to access the same ASIO device.  Audition 3 allows you to run multiple instances of the application, but CS 5.5 does not.  You can, however, open multiple sessions at once so this should be less of a concern.

             

            I should point out that I haven't tried this directly with the rest of the CS, but the usual situation with ASIO and more than one app running is that it is only a problem if the apps are trying to access the same ASIO streams on a device - having two apps addressing the same card generally works fine, as long as the sample rate is the same. The no-no is trying to address two sound devices with ASIO - that it can't manage at all. So for instance with my E-Mu 1820m, it's only the ASIO streams that are actually allocated and in use that you can't use with another app.

            • 43. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
              Steve C2 Community Member

              Hi SteveG,

               

              Thanks.  Also, one thing that I don't think I made clear in my questions - perhaps either you or Durin or anyone else who knows can answer.

               

              When I was talking about workflow between AA 3 and 5.5, what I had in mind was that one probably would close one of the AA's before doing some work (one example is the AA 3 Scientific Filter).  Since the Effects Rack has been replaced, I thought that maybe VST-based effects, depending on when and where they are executed, might have unintended side-effects if one goes back and forth between versions.  Of course, I don't know the answer.  But, I thought it would be a good idea to the answer in advance.

               

              Steve

              • 44. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

                They shouldn't be any interaction at all between two versions of Audition running at the same time - and if I get a chance later on I'll check that this is indeed the case. As long as the two different versions of AA don't try to access the same ASIO streams, they should both run fine simultaneously, assuming your audio device can cope with that. Dunno what that would do to your processor load though - and there would be no guarantee of any sort of a decent performance!

                • 45. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                  zenpicker Community Member

                  Sigh.

                  As a developer myself, I understand that seemingly simple features can be very complex under the hood - especially if we've done our job as UX designers - but there was such a clamor for clip grouping here that it's hard to understand why it didn't make the cut.  That and the lack of control surface support scotches my upgrade plans. 

                   

                  Durin, the gist of a lot of your posts on this thread is that we should regard this release as a preview or a taste of things to come.  Without asking you to commit, can you give us some idea of when an interim *feature* (vs bug fix) release might be expected?  A year or so from now?  Just wondering how long I have to keep my struggling PC running...can't run AA3 under VMWare on the Mac because unfortunately I have a Firewire audio interface.

                   

                  Anyway, I appreciate all the thought and creativity that went into this first Mac release and hope there will be a future release that works for my sort of workflow.

                  • 46. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                    _durin_ Adobe Employee

                    I haven't meant to give the impression that CS 5.5 is a preview release.  If we felt there was not a significant group that would be able to accomplish their audio tasks with this release, we would have waited for CS 6.  For those Audition 3 users who cannot live without pitch correction or clip grouping or control surface support and will only consider an Audition with those features, then the wait for that release will be the same as it would be had we not released CS 5.5.  I hope we've been honest and straightforward about this.  If not, let me emphasize that Audition CS 5.5 will not have every feature available in Audition 3, and if you find that it does not suit your particular needs, please let us know exactly what is missing that prevents you from upgrading and using it so that we can do our best to make certain these areas are addressed and improved for CS 6.

                     

                    (And I'm not making a judgement on that perspective!  Believe me when I say that there was much agony and passionate arguments made for every feature that did not make the cut for this release.  There was NO ONE on the team who dismissed any of these tools as unimportant.  When it came down to the wire and we needed to decide whether to spend developer time on, say, Clip Grouping vs. CD Extraction, we had to look at everything from development and testing time, ranking in feature surveys and forum/pre-release requests, and whether an alternative, if less elegant, solution existed.)

                     

                    We want to make the best audio editing tool on the market.  We want to offer a value for our users that they don't get with other applications, or complement the tools they already use to increase their productivity.  Adobe has committed to releases on an 18/12 month cycle, meaning 18 months following an n.0 release, expect an n.5 release, with the next n.0 release 12 months later.  CS 5.5 ships mid-May, which puts CS 6 on a tentative release for May 2012.

                     

                    Thanks for the feedback and the encouragement moving forward.  I hope you'll still take a look at the trial version and see where it might help improve your productivity or what areas we could focus upon that would make CS 6 a killer release for you.

                     

                    Durin

                    • 47. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                      zenpicker Community Member

                      Thanks, Durin.  Guess I already made my votes clear on features for release 6.

                      And now the wait begins.

                      • 48. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                        Alex Radzishevsky Community Member

                        Dear Durin,

                         

                        though you didn't comment on this my reply, I still keep hoping that it will be taken into account. I think the number of Audition users that I'm talking about in my message cannot be ignored by Adobe.

                         

                        Thank you,

                        Alex.

                        • 49. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                          SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

                          Alex Radzishevsky wrote:

                          I think the number of Audition users that I'm talking about in my message cannot be ignored by Adobe.

                           

                           

                          How many is that?

                          • 50. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                            _durin_ Adobe Employee

                            Hi Alex,

                             

                            We're already working on some of the effects you mentioned.  I did copy your message into one of the items in the feature database to bolster support for the other tools, but it's still very early in the CS 6 development cycle, so I don't have much to report yet. 

                            • 51. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                              Alex Radzishevsky Community Member

                              I didn't count everyone of them personally yet, but according to my experience (working as audio engineer and developer in voice communication industry) - they are thousands. You can visit any company that deal with voice communication, audio sw/hw validation, etc. and you can see most of the engineers using Audition or its predecessors.

                              • 52. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                _durin_ Adobe Employee

                                This suggestion of a "silent army" of Audition users, as well as some missteps in the past where features were removed (on purpose or accident) to the outcry of a small number of users, leads me to start recommending enabling the anonymous usage reporting tools in Adobe applications.  While Audition isn't doing much with this feature yet (The Adobe Product Improvement Program link found under the Help menu), I think we'll enable it for more tasks and actions with CS 6.  It's a completely opt-in, anonymous means of collecting how much time is spent in certain views, what effects and features are used most often, and where trouble spots might exist.  For users who may otherwise never visit forums or send us an e-mail, it should offer them an unobtrusive means of letting us know what is important to them. 

                                 

                                For the more paranoid among us, myself absolutely included, I am not aware of any sneaky intent or personal data being shared.  And of course, it won't work on systems that are detached from the internet. 

                                • 53. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                  Alex Radzishevsky Community Member

                                  Durin,

                                   

                                  I agree that adding this feature may help Adobe to better understand its customers and their needs.

                                   

                                  You can consider my above message about "silent army of users" as written report.

                                   

                                  The users I'm talking about are using Audition in audio development and audio validation process.If it can help, here is a brief list of features that are used by them on a daily basis (including myself, each and every day): spectrogram view, spectral analysis, statistics, scientific filters (high pass, band pass, low pass with configureable filter type, cutoffs and order), tones generation (especially with different start/end points, for example to generate sweep tones), noise generation (BTW, could be extended, I think), sample rate/bit resolution/channels conversion, mixing, subtraction, sample-precise editing, batch processing (can be definitely improved by adding scripting). All these functions make Audition absolutely not replaceble by any other tool. MatLAB and Audition - is the ultimate tool chain.

                                   

                                  If you say that scientific filters and tone generation are not available in 5.5 - it means that I personally will not be able to use it. The same with many of those who I'm telling you about.

                                   

                                  I hope you got my point, and I hope it will help you to make your product only better.

                                   

                                  Alex.

                                  • 54. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                    SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

                                    _durin_ wrote:


                                    And of course, it won't work on systems that are detached from the internet. 

                                     

                                    Which is, of course, most of the serious DAW users.

                                     

                                    I'm still not convinced about some of these numbers of users in areas that aren't generally considered to be major markets. Since Adobe control all the sales of Audition directly, they must surely have some sort of an idea as to where they've been sold...

                                     

                                    If we assume for a moment that the proportions of users who frequent forums (and we are talking long-term here) represent anything even vaguely like the usage spread, then I'd say that whilst game developers and people who work in the comms industry certainly show up, they certainly weren't anything like a major group. From what we see, it's radio users, podcasters and individual users doing restoration work and sometimes multitrack audio recording who form the backbone of users. One hidden group that we do know about (and they keep quiet about this deliberately, because it's embarassing to them for some strange reason) are the people using Audition for Mastering purposes - it gets used quite a lot for that, one way or another.

                                    • 55. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                      therealdobro Community Member

                                      Ha! That's because part of the mystique of being a mastering engineer is in having a ton of expensive, specialized gear that the hoi polloi either don't know about or can't afford, and Audition doesn't fall into that category - it's too affordable. 

                                      • 56. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                        Steve C2 Community Member

                                        Hi Durin,

                                         

                                        My guess, from recent news is that If you do not collect the lattitude and longitude of the pc or, if you do, refrain from storing it in an unencrypted file, you might not get complaints.  JK.

                                         

                                        Steve

                                        • 57. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                          SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

                                          therealdobro wrote:

                                           

                                          Ha! That's because part of the mystique of being a mastering engineer is in having a ton of expensive, specialized gear that the hoi polloi either don't know about or can't afford, and Audition doesn't fall into that category - it's too affordable. 

                                           

                                          That's certainly one reason. The other one they mutter about is that it doesn't seem right to use an app for mastering that had its origins in shareware. The one thing that they will admit though is that if you are doing sample rate conversions, Audition is as good as it gets. Especially if you are doing a lot of them, as in sample library creation, because you can batch them. Or at least you could - I haven't tried this on the new version. But that does remind me of something else that hasn't been mentioned up to now - there's a new dither option now as well. More details later, unless Durin gets there first...

                                          • 58. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                            _durin_ Adobe Employee

                                            Properties Panel

                                            Properties Panel - File.pngProperties Panel - Session.png

                                            The new properties panel displays detailed information about the currently selected clip or active session, as well as asset-specific parameters.  The "Time Display" options allow you to customize the ruler display per file or use the global defaults.

                                             

                                             

                                            Surround Track Panner

                                            Track Panner.png

                                            Dockable 5.1 Surround track panner for use in multitrack session mixing.

                                            • 59. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                              _durin_ Adobe Employee

                                              Effects shipped with Audition CS 5.5

                                              Amplitude and Compression >

                                                   Amplify

                                                   Channel Mixer

                                                   De-Esser

                                                   Dynamics Processing

                                                   Hard Limiter

                                                   Normalize (process)

                                                   Multiband Compressor

                                                   Single-Band Compressor

                                                   Tube-Modeled Compressor

                                                   Speech Volume Leveler

                                                   Volume Envelope (process)

                                              Delay and Echo >

                                                   Analog Delay

                                                   Delay

                                                   Echo

                                              Diagonistics >

                                                   DeClicker (process)

                                                   DeClipper (process)

                                                   Delete Silence (process)

                                                   Mark Audio (process)

                                              Filter and EQ >

                                                   Parametric Equalizer

                                                   Graphic Equalizer (10 Band)

                                                   Graphic Equalizer (20 Band)

                                                   Graphic Equalizer (30 Band)

                                                   FFT Filter

                                              Modulation >

                                                   Chorus

                                                   Flanger

                                                   Chorus/Flanger

                                                   Phaser

                                              Noise Reduction / Restoration >

                                                   Capture Noise Print

                                                   Noise Reduction (process)

                                                   Adaptive Noise Reduction

                                                   Automatic Click Remover

                                                   Automatic Phase Correction (process)

                                                   DeHummer

                                                   Hiss Reduction (process)

                                              Reverb >

                                                   Convolution Reverb

                                                   Full Reverb

                                                   Reverb

                                                   Studio Reverb

                                                   Surround Reverb

                                              Special >

                                                   Distortion

                                                   Guitar Suite

                                                   Mastering

                                                   Vocal Enhancer

                                              Stereo Imagery >

                                                   Center Channel Extractor

                                              Time and Pitch >

                                                   Stretch and Pitch (process)

                                               

                                              Any effect not indicated as a (process) effect can be used in real-time, though for high-CPU effects you may wish to enable Track Pre-render (I'll mention this later, but it's more or less a dynamic, track-specific return to Background Mix.)  Real-time effects can also be applied to entire tracks, or to specific clips, or a combination of both.

                                              • 60. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                _durin_ Adobe Employee

                                                Track Panel View and Controls

                                                 

                                                Input / Output View:  Adjust input and output assignments, add buses or access Audio Hardware settings.

                                                Track Panel InOut.png

                                                 

                                                Track Effects Rack View:  Mini, in-track effects rack.  Note the lightning bolt button which allows you to enable "Track Pre-Render" mode on a per-track basis.  This toggle silently prepares a background mix of each enabled track to accomodate resource-intensive effects and minimize performance or playback issues.

                                                Track Panel FX.png

                                                 

                                                Sends View:  Each track may be assigned to up to 16 separate Send outputs

                                                Track PAnel Sends.png

                                                 

                                                Track EQ View:  Each track has the full 5-band Parametric EQ at its disposal.  A thumbnail representation of the EQ curve is displayed in this panel providing quick, visual feedback.

                                                Track Panel EQ.png

                                                • 61. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                  MYX Community Member

                                                  This was not a previous feature, but I would love to see a way to use one track as the source for the launching of effects on another track. More to the point, being able to do things like gated reverbs (for killer drums), or distortion effects on a guitar triggered by a snare... Just a thought.

                                                  Similar (but entirely different ) I would like to see the ability to add expressions like in Aftere Effects. This way, if the above feature was not made available I could write an expression to do it... If amplitude == such and such level raise input level to such and such for such and such amount of time.

                                                  • 62. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                    RonNovy Community Member

                                                    I think some VST effects can do that already.  I'm pretty sure that Drumagog can gate or duck other tracks when setup right on both tracks but it would be a nice built in feature for audition...

                                                    • 63. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                      therealdobro Community Member

                                                      I've been interested in ducking for a while, but too slow to pick it up.  Good thing, if Audition can't do it anyway.

                                                      • 64. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                        wavecapsule

                                                        Without midi and rewire, Audition loses much of its appeal. I don't understand what problems you had with it in 3 because I use 3 all the time with Reason rewired in to the multitracker and midi VSTis sequenced into the mix. Sometimes it was a little buggy and would crash and lose all its VSTs but they came back after a reboot. I was really looking forward to the new Audition and now the 30 day trial won't even be on my machine 24 hours because I can't use it without midi or rewire.Having help and the manual only available online is useless, too. My production machine isn't networked and is a pure music composition DAW.

                                                         

                                                        Very disappointing. Audition 3 was a very serviceable, easy to use multitasking software that I did my recording, mixing and mastering in. I'll keep using 3 until something better comes along.

                                                        • 65. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                          MusicConductor Community Member

                                                          Complaining about the same thing in 5 threads does make it clear that you're not satisfied, wavecapsule.  And Durin has already made it clear that staying with AA3 will be what some are going to prefer, but they're all ears to hear your reasons why.

                                                          • 66. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                            aomahana Community Member

                                                            Hello Durin,

                                                             

                                                            Thank you for your involvement with the forum.

                                                             

                                                            I have been using Audition since CE2K.

                                                             

                                                            I can see from the various comments that the move to CS5.5 fits people less or more according to their perspective.

                                                            I pre-ordered the new version immediately, but as yet haven't actually received it, so my comments are based on what has been presented here.

                                                             

                                                            I use 2X other software editors, Pyramix, and Protools.

                                                            Primarily for music production.

                                                            So, in spite of the inconvenience, it is possible for me to shift between these and Audition 3, if there any required missing features in CS5.5.

                                                            Like some of the others here, I am slowly moving towards incorporating Video editing and production into my studio.

                                                             

                                                            So for me, the positive aspects of this change are ....

                                                             

                                                            OMF Import and Export.

                                                            Integration with Premiere.

                                                            Overall RMS level average per track.

                                                             

                                                            What I miss ,..

                                                            Generate Silence.

                                                            I use this as a quick and simple method to clean and create correct spacing between CD Tracks.

                                                            Also, if Premiere Elements integrated with Audition, it would be a good way to test the waters before extending to the cost of Premiere Pro.

                                                            Although I don't use midi a lot, I enjoyed the implementation of it in Audition, and was looking forward to the development of any deficiencies.

                                                             

                                                            All the best,

                                                            Onward and upwards.

                                                             

                                                             

                                                            Bye for now,

                                                            aomahana.

                                                            • 67. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                              Charles VW Adobe Employee

                                                              aomahana wrote:


                                                              What I miss ,..

                                                              Generate Silence.

                                                               

                                                              Edit > Insert Silence... will achieve you the same results.   Please check it out when you get your hands on the release.

                                                               

                                                              aomahana wrote:

                                                               

                                                              ...

                                                               

                                                              I use 2X other software editors, Pyramix, and Protools.


                                                              ...

                                                               

                                                              So for me, the positive aspects of this change are ....

                                                               

                                                              OMF Import and Export.


                                                              ...

                                                               

                                                              Please let us know how the OMF exchange works with Pyramix.   We've done intensive in-house testing on sending OMFs to/from Pro Tools, but not as much with Pyramix.  I spoke to one of the engineers at Merging while at AES this past fall about OMF interchange with Pyramix, so feel free to ask your support representative at Merging to also do some in-house testing with interchange with Audition.

                                                              • 68. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                Quash45

                                                                It was with great expectations that my studio was looking forward to up-grading to Audition CS 5.5.  But I have the same issue as my Chicago colleague on the not retaining clip grouping (an editing issues).  You are Adobe, you just about invented the concept of grouping in the graphic world!  I can't tell you how many times that I have used the clip grouping feature to "lock down" some very complex edits.  But,  an even bigger issue is having no control surface support (production/work flow) in AA CS 5.5.  I work in a studio where the DAW is controlled by an   Alpha Track transport  from the booth and all edits and adjustments are from a control room.  This allows talent to start/stop recording their own tracks and allows the engineer to focus on any adjustments.  This process has had a very positive impact on our production work flow and has saved us time and money. Because of our dependence on this transport control strategy we cannot up-grade to 5.5 at this time.  As an aside, I spoke to Frontier Designs, the OEM of Alpha Track, and they had had no contact with Adobe and were finding out about CS 5.5 along with the rest of us.  Don't you guys cooperate with the hardware community as part of your beta program?  Sorry for a bit of a rant on this, but I'm just disappointed that my studio can't have access to all of the great features that you described in CS 5.5 because of AA 3.0 features that were not included in your build for CS 5.5.  I continue to be a loyal Adobe supporter but no longer a happy one.

                                                                 

                                                                Jim L

                                                                Chicago

                                                                • 69. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                  zenpicker Community Member

                                                                  Those are exactly my two issues.  No clip grouping = more mistakes and a great deal more tedium; no control surface support = impossible to use AA in my studio setting.  I am my own engineer, and I cannot perform from behind my desk.  Having the Tranzport at my fingertips makes it all possible.

                                                                   

                                                                  Durin, need any more votes? 

                                                                  • 70. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                    _durin_ Adobe Employee

                                                                    Nope.  We were well aware these were two of the bigger uncompleted features and that their lack would prevent many existing users from upgrading to CS5.5.  But given the choice between not releasing anything until CS6 or releasing 5.5, I happily stand by the decision.  Audition HAD to undergo the re-write.  The backend and tools needed to be examined and updated for new hardware.  If this development team wanted Audition to get the full support of Adobe's resources, we had to move to a cross-platform solution and be part of the Creative Suite family.  There were internal development and scheduling taxes that needed to be paid, but it would pay off in the long run.

                                                                     

                                                                    We've already begun development for CS6, and it's moving along quickly.  I can't share much just yet, but hardware controller support should be far beyond what we offered in the past.  There might even become a new market for those old Red Rovers that have been collecting dust...  And if you've got the budget for those fancy decks, the support should be phenomenal.  File format support will be improved and expanded, more original effects will be ported and improved, with new analysis and restoration tools available. 

                                                                     

                                                                    Thanks again for the frank and straightforward feedback.  While the occasional insults are easy to dismiss in a relatively anonymous online forum, it's awesome that there's such passion for what we've been doing and what's to come.  And if I need a little pick-me-up, I can just head over to Twitter where the comments have been very positive.

                                                                     

                                                                    Durin

                                                                    • 71. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                      zenpicker Community Member

                                                                      RED ROVER - yes, I still have one!!!  And now I know what to do with it. 

                                                                       

                                                                      Thanks, again, Durin - sorry if this all seems very glass-half-full sometimes.  I guess the good side is that so many of us feel passionate enough about AA to actually be up in arms over the details.  A lesser product would be greeted with yawns or deafening silence.

                                                                      • 72. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                        Quash45 Community Member

                                                                        Durin,

                                                                         

                                                                        Thanks for taking my flack on these 2 important issues (clip grouping and control surfaces).  Is there any way that I could get involved in a CS 6.0 beta?  Finally, (this is a bit self-serving as I am a Frontier customer) who should hardware vendor like Frontier speak (contact) to for plug in specifications for CS 6.0?  I'm sure that other forum participants have their favorate control surface vendor and probably have the same question and want to make sure that their vendors are in the 6.0 beta loop.

                                                                         

                                                                        As soon as my 2 items are contained in CS 6.0 I will be a happy camper and first in line for the new AA.

                                                                         

                                                                        Regards,

                                                                         

                                                                        Jim  L'Allier

                                                                        • 73. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                          TeetowSBZ Community Member

                                                                          _durin_ wrote:


                                                                          Thanks again for the frank and straightforward feedback.  While the occasional insults are easy to dismiss in a relatively anonymous online forum, it's awesome that there's such passion for what we've been doing and what's to come.  And if I need a little pick-me-up, I can just head over to Twitter where the comments have been very positive.

                                                                           

                                                                          Having a vocal (but sometimes quite rude) user base forces good companies to evolve representatives that are pretty much the best of their breed. Rather than pasting boilerplate corporatese "we value your input"-type of answers, they're more inclined to post substantive, respectful posts that tell some hard truths. I've seen this done successfully in the World of Warcraft forums, and it can create an unprecedented level of brand loyalty when done right.

                                                                           

                                                                          In my book, Adobe is now firmly in this column, mostly thanks to the levelheadedness of the Audition team. Keep up the good work, guys.

                                                                           

                                                                          Twitter version: @Adobe omg u guys total pros xxoo #winning #bff #auditionrox

                                                                          • 74. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                            Inity Arts & Music Community Member

                                                                            Agreed. I've definitely added some frustration expressing posts, especially after the difficulty I faced in getting my money back for this upgrade after experiencing it's utter redundancy in my workflow. But Durin seems to make a great effort to at least acknowledge the specific concerns the community brings up - which is breathe of fresh air compared to the phone reps.

                                                                             

                                                                            So, for the record, here's a quick list of the MUST-HAVES for Audition to continue to be the DAW I use as a recording studio engineer and music creator:

                                                                            1. Group Clips
                                                                            2. Control Surfaces
                                                                            3. Metronome
                                                                            4. Looping with time stretch / key change
                                                                            5. Midi VSTi support (though I could probably at least get by without this one)

                                                                             

                                                                            Aside from Midi VSTi support, that list of features is crucial for me to be able to utilize the software. Of course, greater file support would make the transition more bearable too. In general, I made use of many of the features of 3.0, and I believe restoring those features first and foremost should be top priority. Despite how much I've loved the feature developments of past releases, any new features at this point would merely be more things I'd love to have, while the old features are something my actual livelihood currently depends on.

                                                                             

                                                                            I look forward to the opportunity to make use of what would otherwise be exceptionally great improvements to this program. Thanks for hearing my input.

                                                                            • 75. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                              Michael Putrino Community Member

                                                                              I am a mastering engineer in Austin, TX and have been extensively using Audition since it was Cool Edit Pro. I have purchase every upgrade since.

                                                                               

                                                                              Some of the effects that I would like to see moved from Audition 3.0 to CS 6, would be the following (I use them extensively in the Edit window)

                                                                            • Also, I would love to retain use of the DX effects that I own.

                                                                              ·         Amplify/Fade (process) – used for gradually changing levels in the middle of a song

                                                                              ·         Envelope (process) – for changing levels, fades, etc. in mid song.

                                                                              ·         FIR Filter, include the Time-variable settings – this is great to remove buzz in a fadeout.  You can transition from a full-pass to low-pass during the fade. It can be used for many surgical fixes in mastering. In once case, I used it to change the timber of a piano where it started solo requireing a much fuler EQ, then as other instruments came into the song, the piano required less depth. Time-variable FIR made this easy to accomplish.

                                                                              ·         Stereo Expander

                                                                              ·         Stretch, constant stretch and with gliding stretch – to gradually change tempo of a song (or part of a song) over time.

                                                                              ·         Pitch Shifter and Pitch Correction (process)

                                                                              One thing I'd like fixed is the use of IK Multimedia VST mastering effects. None of them work with Audition, but they work very well with other editing applications. It may be that IK's effect don't follow the VST letter of the law, but if other editing applications can deal with them, I'd love Audition to as well.

                                                                              I would like Audition to add to its metering, VU capabilities conforming to Bob Katz K-System metering. I own a VST plugin from Roger Nichols Digital that does this, but it would be better as part of the Audition application.

                                                                              • 76. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                                _durin_ Adobe Employee

                                                                                Hi Michael,

                                                                                 

                                                                                While much of your list is still a work-in-progress or TBD for CS 6, several items are already in CS 5.5, although in new locations.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Amplify/Fade (process) and Envelope (process) merged and are now available under Effects > Amplitude and Compression > Volume Envelope (process)

                                                                                Stretch and Pitch Shifter (process) can now be found under Effects > Time and Pitch > Stretch and Pitch (process)

                                                                                 

                                                                                The Volume Envelope allows you to easily draw your curve directly on the waveform and quickly scale it to arbitrary selections.  The updated Stretch & Pitch tool allows you to choose the native Audition stretch or the iZotope Radius stretch algorithms.  Audition's allows for gliding stretch and both now allow stretching to specific durations.

                                                                                 

                                                                                The issue with certain versions of the IK Multimedia effects was found to be a problem internal to the IK tools which they've fixed in more recent versions.  We've submitted a bug fix request to IK to address the earlier versions, but I'm unaware if we've received a response from them.  I'll add your VU request to our feature database.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Thanks!

                                                                                Durin

                                                                                • 77. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                                  Michael Putrino Community Member

                                                                                  Hi Durin,

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Thanks. I'll check those location; I don't know how I missed them. And thank you for such a wonderful mastering suite.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Mike

                                                                                  • 78. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                                    Playtime22 Community Member

                                                                                    Thanks for the continuous feedbacks from me too, Durin. It really means much to see that Adobe actually listen to their customer base.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    I am in the radio production business and AA is number one "weapon of choice" for me and so many people from the same branch. All those things members mentioned as a wish list in this thread will hopefully implemented in next release.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Cheers!

                                                                                    Peter

                                                                                    • 79. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                                      Michael Putrino Community Member

                                                                                      Hi Durin,

                                                                                       

                                                                                      One issue that I found in CS 5.5 is that for VST effects, I can't save presets. Well, I can save them, but when re-opened, I can't recall them.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Thanks,

                                                                                      Mike