12 Replies Latest reply on Dec 16, 2015 3:58 PM by rob day

    Possible to Make CS4 not go full screen OSX?

    gator soup Level 4

      I'm on Mac 10.6.7, CS4 InDesign 6.0.6.


      Is there an InDesign preference I can set so when I open an existing document, it doesn't take over my entire 30" monitor every time (this is very annoying)?

       

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      Also, a long time ago (maybe even CS3) I asked WHY when I open/edit an existing document, then Save As — the destination is not the folder containing the opened file.

       

      I was told at the time InDesign should be automatically saving in the same folder, that I must have a problem on my system, but I am still not seeing that behavior.

       

      Every other application on the OSX platform Save As to the same folder as the opened document, but not InDesign (this is even more annoying than the other)...

       

      Thanks.

        • 1. Re: Possible to Make CS4 not go full screen OSX?
          Scott Falkner Level 5

          Turn off the Application Frame in the Window menu.

           

          Whenever I Save As the program defaults to the folder containing the active file. This only works if the file has already been saved in that version of InDesign. If you open an InDesign file from an earlier version of InDesign it is converted to the current version and the original file is unaffected. The original file is not considered to be the open file, so until you save there is no folder for the current file. This also affects files converted from .idml or .inx.

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          • 2. Re: Possible to Make CS4 not go full screen OSX?
            gator soup Level 4

            Turn off the Application Frame in the Window menu.

             

            Hi, thanks, I unchecked "Application Frame" in Window> Application Frame and it appears to be a bit better (a real improvement for me).

            If you open an InDesign file from an earlier version of InDesign it is converted to the current version and the original file is unaffected. The original file is not considered to be the open file, so until you save there is no folder for the current file.

             

            Can't say why every other application I've ever used on a Mac (since  7.5) Saves As to the original directory by default — but thanks for the explanation, so that is expected behavior (not some problem with my set ups).

             

            Imagine (Adobe programming geniuses), opening a .indd from a Search — and when you go to Save As — it points to my Desktop (or some other folder location).

             

            That means I have to locate the original folder and copy the new document back — or as always seems to be the case — I miss it and it Saves to the wrong folder and I can't find it next time.

            • 3. Re: Possible to Make CS4 not go full screen OSX?
              Scott Falkner Level 5

              As I said, this is what happens when you open, for example, an InDesign CS3 file using InDesign CS5. Saving over the original file can be a bad thing, so it is a potentially good thing that InDesign does not. You should, if it is viable, open and save files using the version that was last used for that file. So if you have InDesign CS3 and InDesign CS5, use InDesign CS3 to open, edit, and save InDesign CS3 files.

              • 4. Re: Possible to Make CS4 not go full screen OSX?
                David W. Goodrich Level 3

                There is a discussion InDesign CS4 window fills screen at open that you might find useful.  I use Dave Saunder's Windowsize.jsx daily, but note -mt's comment that it may not work reliably for IDCS5 in Snow Leopard.  However, he posts an applescript from Rob Day that works for him.

                 

                David

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                • 6. Re: Possible to Make CS4 not go full screen OSX?
                  gator soup Level 4
                  this is what happens when you open, for example, an InDesign CS3 file using InDesign CS5

                   

                  Thanks, now I understand exactly what's triggering that Save As behavior.

                   

                  I guess my point is neither Photoshop nor any other application I've used on a Mac works that way — so it would appear the InDesign team is doing it on purpose:(

                  • 7. Re: Possible to Make CS4 not go full screen OSX?
                    gator soup Level 4

                    Wow, those are great suggestions for the Save As...thank you both...I avoid all types of system haxies, tho...

                     

                    I sometimes work on hundreds of Photoshop files a day in mad rush deadlines...can't imagine dealing with that behavior in my world...

                     

                    not that anyone here needs a work flow debate...thanks all

                    • 8. Re: Possible to Make CS4 not go full screen OSX?
                      Scott Falkner Level 5

                      Photoshop and Illustrator don’t work like InDesign. InDesign can only save InDesign files in that version’s unique format. Illustrator and Photoshop can save .ai and .psd files readable by earlier versions. If you open an Illustrator CS3 file in Illustrator CS5 and save you will save the file without a dialogue and in CS3 format. This, too can be bad becasue you get no warning that CS3 or CS5 only features will be dumbed down and uneditable.

                       

                      InDesign’s file handling is, in almost all ways, superior to other programs. It might be nice for InDesign to remember the source folder for converted files and default to it, although that makes overwriting those files much easier and destroying the file’s compatibility with older versions.

                       

                      The proper philosophy for saving files is to make it hard to damage data or destroy files.

                      • 9. Re: Possible to Make CS4 not go full screen OSX?
                        rob day Adobe Community Professional & MVP
                        I avoid all types of system haxies, tho...

                         

                        DF works as a preference pane, it doesn't hack the save dialog but floats along side. Couldn't live without it besides setting the default folder, let's you save favorites, list last visited, move files.

                        • 10. Re: Possible to Make CS4 not go full screen OSX?
                          Steve Werner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                          I totally agree with Rob about Default Folder. It's invaluable, is not a hack, is constantly kept up-to-date by the author. It saves me immense amounts of time, and is the most valuable utility I own.

                          • 11. Re: Possible to Make CS4 not go full screen OSX?
                            barbarak1PSU

                            Your answer is very disappointing.  I work with a lot of InDesign files, most of which were created on an earlier operating system. It seems like a programming bug to expect users to have to re-create each file in the current operating system in order to prevent individual files from taking over the entire desktop on a huge external monitor -- then to have to do it all over again whenever there is an InDesign upgrade. Disturbing.

                            • 12. Re: Possible to Make CS4 not go full screen OSX?
                              rob day Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                              It seems like a programming bug to expect users to have to re-create each file in the current operating system in order to prevent individual files from taking over the entire desktop on a huge external monitor -- then to have to do it all over again whenever there is an InDesign upgrade. Disturbing.

                               

                               

                              This thread is almost 5 years old, but the answer to the first question still applies—turn off Window>Application Frame if you want individual layout windows to float on a large screen. You don't have to re-create anything.