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    General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts

    guardaroba Community Member

      I've been playing with the EPub export feature of CS5.5 for the past day, and have a question as well as a few thoughts/feature requests. I wonder if it would be useful to have a general thread for the new EPub feature for a little while, since it will be new to most people?

       

      In any case, my questions: 1) Is it possible to set an object to -not- be included in the export? I assumed this would be an option in the "Object Export Options" dialogue, but it doesn't seem to be. Is this option hidden somewhere else, or is there a workaround? I have a number of objects that are used to add visual interest on the printed layout but that don't make any sense to include in an EPub/HTML export.

       

      2) When I get to the EPub export box there's nothing in the "Unique Identifier" field. I thought I should have the option of using one created by InDesign automatically?

       

      My thoughts: although it's a very welcome upgrade, does it feel to anyone else as though it's a bit half-baked? For example, the new object export options don't seem to be included in the object styles, so they have to be changed object-by-object, which isn't very nice for longer layouts.

       

      Similarly, you can't save different EPub/HTML export settings, which seems like a pretty basic feature to expect.

       

      Finally, the fact that endnotes aren't supported has been a glaring issue for a while now, but it's causing new problems now that EPub/HTML exports are easier. In print endnotes that aren't 'live' are only an issue for the layout person; in HTML 'dead' notes with no hyperlinks are pretty embarrassing.

       

      How have other people been finding the new EPub/HTML export features?

        • 1. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
          Cari Jansen CommunityMVP

          1) You control which objects are included in your EPUB export using the new Articles panel.

           

           

          2) The unique identifier field auto-fill

           

          • Generally you enter the EPUB isbn here.
          • However, If you leave this field empty during export InDesign will automatically generate a random Unique Identifier.
          • If you break open the EPUB file and look at the content.opf file inside you should see something like this:
          <dc:identifier>
              urn:uuid:b8123fc9-fbad-4f66-86ae-edbde9159f8f
          </dc:identifier>
          

           

           

          Hope this helps,

           

          Cari

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          my web-site: carijansen.com (lots of InDesign stuff on there).

          my digital magazine for iPad: Latitude3195

          • 2. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
            jjsemple Community Member

            Would love a course on creating eBooks for iPad (ePub format) and other tablets, separate from Digital Magazine (PDF) courses, but covering the same inDesign related material/workflow (Rich Media Foundations, Basic Interactivity, Adding Audio/Video, Advanced Interactivity, Deploying and Distributing) uniquely from the standpoint of ePub.

             

            It seems to me that the ePub market is potentially much larger than the Digital Magazine market; there's a finite number of magazines, but an unlimited number of people toiling in home offices/small businesses who want to create eBooks for iPad, other tablets, and Kindle. Especially interested in finding out about deploying ePub formatted multimedia books to iPad and other tablets without having to go through Adobe or some super-expensive, always-escalating service like Roving Bird?

             

            Right now as guardaroba says, the lines between teh two are blurred. Sure Adobe is raking in teh dough from Martha Stewart and all those big magazine clients, but the real numbers, it would seem to me, are in self-publishing/small publisher ePub platform eBooks — all the issues that are different than print, with an emphasis on multimedia and design.

             

            There is simply no dedicated training out there that I can find.

            • 3. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
              BobLevine CommunityMVP

              Have you checked out Lynda.com?

               

              There are some good courses there. This link will get you a free seven day trial: http://bit.ly/fcGpiI

               

              Bob

              • 4. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                jjsemple Community Member

                Yes, I subscribe to Lynda, already completed the inDesign CS5.5 New Features course. The instructor is great, but the course focus leaves a lot to be desired. It suffers from the same issue this thread raised: a general muddling of Digital Magazine & ePub. Check the course out for yourself. It's an overview, not an in-depth look, which is normal since the release just occured. However, what I find frustrating is that no one — Adobe or other parties — seem to understand that Digital Magazines and ePub eBooks are two different markets.

                 

                It's my understanding, after watching Terry White's tutorials, that CS5.5 now allows us to generate full-fledged, multimedia ePub eBooks for iPad/other tablets without having to program, then deploy them without having to go through a lot of expense. It seems that the CS5.5 allows us to do this, but nobody is putting any efort into the various ways these two solutions are different and what those differences mean in terms of using inDesign for each specific purpose.

                • 5. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                  jjsemple Community Member

                  In fact, I sent a note to Lynda about their producing such a course (on ePub alone) and received this terse reply:

                   

                  Thank you for contacting lynda.com.

                  We really appreciate hearing from you regarding ideas for educational material you'd like to see added to the Online Training Library®. Currently, we do not have InDesign CS5.5 Creating ePub eBooks training in production. However, we keep every request on file, and your request has been forwarded to our Title Development team for consideration.

                  Stay tuned to lynda.com for new releases, or keep tabs on us through the blog, our Facebook fan page, or Twitter.

                  Which seems like an aauto response, not like someone even read my note. Gee, I'm sure that by following Lynda on FB/TW, I'll learn all about inDesign CS5.5.

                   

                  The fact that two people have raised this issue means there are probably thousand either too busy or reluctant to speak up or unable to yet formulate their feelings.

                  • 6. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                    BobLevine CommunityMVP

                    With all due respect to Terry, who's absolutely brilliant, the stuff on Adobe TV is as much advertising as it is anything else.

                     

                    There's nothing simple about any of this.

                     

                    Bob

                    • 7. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                      jjsemple Community Member

                      All the more to have in-depth training, starting with general overview issues like how the folio tools fit into the ePub process, then following up with details on each and every phase of production/deployment.

                       

                      What's more, I realize that Adobe TV is advertising, but there's a fine line between advertising and false advertising. It seemed to me that someone like myself, who's used inDesign to lay out print books, who understands multimedia technology, could learn to use inDesign for ePubs, given the proper orientation and instruction. But if you're saying that no one except an Objective C programmer can create these books, then:

                       

                      1. Adobe has a long way to go before these tools are worth much to the experienced user.
                      2. Adobe is verging on false advertising.

                       

                      From what I've seen some parts are not complicated. Okay, if some parts are complicated, what are they? How do you accomplish them? What tools do you need besides inDesign? How does the Content Viewer fit into to the process? The folio stuff? When do you need an iPad for testing? How do you upload your content to the Apple store?

                       

                      It's either black magic or it isn't. It's either something an experienced inDesign user can do or it isn't? In that case, which portions have to be done by the programmer?

                       

                      Thanks for your help...by the way.

                      • 8. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                        BobLevine CommunityMVP

                        The folio tools DON'T fit into the EPUB process.

                         

                        Bob

                        • 9. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                          jjsemple Community Member

                          Thanks, Bob. Now if I could only get the rest of my questions answered, I'd be on my way...

                          • 10. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                            AnneMarie Concepcion CommunityMVP

                            Have you seen my Lynda.com title  'InDesign CS5 to EPUB, Kindle, and the iBookstore"?

                            http://www.lynda.com/tutorial/75445

                             

                            I will be going in to record the CS5.5 version of the same title in a few weeks. The automated response you received was disheartening, and I'll forward it on to Lynda.com. But my guess is the response is pulling from some database and my title is not far enough along in production to have made it into the title.

                             

                            The lines are definitely blurring but there is no way you're going to get the layout control and interactivity of a tablet app into EPUB format, at least not in the next year or two.

                             

                            AM

                            • 11. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                              guardaroba Community Member

                              Thanks Cari! I'm embarrassed I didn't unzip the EPub to check if it did create a UUID anyway. Actually, the Lynda.com video seems to show a UUID appearing automatically in the export dialogue box, which is why I was confused. It must've been like that in a beta version or something.

                               

                              As for the articles panel, I had been using the Page Layout ordering option instead of the Articles Panel option. (I still think offering the ability to make objects non-exporting would be helpful for those times when Page Layout ordering makes more sense.)

                               

                              After playing with the Articles panel a bit, though, I only have more questions. The image I want to exclude is inside an anchored text box (it's a long report, with a table in a text box anchored halfway through the text, and an image inside the text box) and there doesn't seem to be any way to get at anchored objects inside the Articles panel, let alone something -inside- an anchored object.

                               

                              Am I missing something? Are we expected to break things up into a bunch of text boxes whenever an element should be inserted at a particular point in the text flow and we want to be able to work with it in the Articles panel? I really hope I'm wrong, but so far it seems to be a pretty blunt instrument that's more suited to shorter layouts.

                              • 12. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                                jjsemple Community Member

                                Anne-Marie,

                                 

                                How gracious of you to step in. I've followed your work over time, on Lynda and on Adobe. You're truly one of the experts.

                                 

                                I did watch part of your CS5 tutorial, but determined that CS5 wouldn't allow us to do the multimedia, design-rich books we wanted to do. So we set about programming the whole thing. Then, when CS5.5 was announced, we figured, from what we saw in the Terry White and other literature, that we could do most of what we wanted (without the Digital Magazine stuff, which we also explored) with the new 5.5 release.

                                 

                                We have a children's book and a sports book that we want to produce for the multimedia tablets (iPad and others) in the first instance only. We want to include interactivity, multimedia, and design. Right now, however, we're confused as to how much programming effort and which tools we'll need. At first, we thought inDesign 5.5 might do it all, but now, from the response on this forum, we're having to revise our hopes. We have almost all the assets; they conform to standards: mp3, mp4, etc.

                                 

                                Nevertheless, there seems to be some confusion, even in the Adobe camp, as to what tools we need to create/view/deploy content. i.e., Adobe Digital Editions is broken. Not sure about what's replacing it, etc.

                                 

                                As for...

                                The lines are definitely blurring but there is no way you're going to get the layout control and interactivity of a tablet app into EPUB format, at least not in the next year or two.

                                 

                                ...it would seem to be relatively easy for the programming staff at Adobe or other organization to create tools for laying out eBooks for (ePub or other tablet platforms) and once they're well laid out, simply pushing a button to render out fully operational multimedia eBooks, just as we now grind out PDF for print books. No one talks about programming PDF any more; it's simply occurs behind the scenes. If it's going to take two years to move eBooks onto the same footing, that's an awful lot of lost business. There are thousands of small publishers (we're one) and self-publishers waiting for these tools, and someone is going to create them. Adobe has a head start, but look what Google did with Blogger; they leap-frogged WordPress. The same kind of user-friendly tools must be in the offing in some entrepreneurial establishment.

                                 

                                Can't wait for you CS5.5 Lynda tutorial, and, in the meantime, will go through your complete CS5 offering.

                                 

                                • 13. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                                  jjsemple Community Member

                                  Anne-Marie,

                                   

                                  PS. Hope you include a lot of inDesign to iPad material in your new CS5.5 tutorial.

                                   

                                  Thanks, JJ Semple

                                  • 14. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                                    marcusstringer Community Member

                                    Check out Liz Castro blog.

                                    http://www.pigsgourdsandwikis.com/2010/07/epub-straight-to-point-epub-version.html

                                     

                                    I'd also get my hands on her epub "Epub Straight to the point"

                                     

                                    Both the epub and the blog site are invaluable.

                                    • 15. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                                      jjsemple Community Member

                                      Thanks, Somehow found her blog this morning, and already purchased her book. Will study the blog for tips. Anne-Marie's new CS5.5 tutorial should provide a lot of info. I'm going to start laying out my books per her workflow, add to it when her 5.5 tutorial comes online.

                                       

                                      One thing I'm confused on is for the Adobe Digital Magazine platform you have to create two versions of a magazine, a vertical and horizontal. According to the Promotional hype, you don't have to do this for ePub platform; it resizes and reflows automatically as you reorient the tablet.

                                       

                                      Two versions seem like a ridiculous solution, especially if you don't have to do it for ePub. Can anyone set me straight on this? How it works for ePub: two version 0r one?

                                       

                                      Thanks, marcusstringer

                                      • 16. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                                        Derek Cross Community Member

                                        Think of the ePub format, and its adaptions a such as .mobi, as basically HTML in an XML container and supplying content for eReaders  such as the Sony eReader, the Kindle and the Nook.  These are suitable for simple one-column text-centric books with few illustrations and the text is reflowable so you don’t have pages as such. These formats are ideal for simply designed books, such as novels, biographies and so on.

                                         

                                        ePub is not suitable for highly designed books with lots of integrated illustrations, sidebars and so on, for which you’d use a format such as PDF or the newer formats designed for tablets. Often publishers produce two versions for these devices; one for portrait and one for landscape.

                                         

                                        Derek

                                        • 17. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                                          BobLevine CommunityMVP

                                          Again, DPS and EPUB are two completely different animals...and you don't have to create two orientations. If you don't, however, you won't get the automatic change when you rotate the tablet. I recently did a job for a major publisher and they elected to have one orientation only. How many people really rotate the tablet when they're reading?

                                           

                                          EPUB is very much like the web. The text adapts and flows according to the view port. DPS is a fixed layout. The designer chooses everything.

                                           

                                          It's certainly very labor intensive but it's not ridiculous and until you start working with it and get comfortable with the disconnect between some native ID feature and the limitations of the tablets, you're not likely to see why things are the way they are.

                                           

                                          Bob

                                          • 18. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                                            jjsemple Community Member

                                            Thanks Bob and Derek. I'm going to start laying out my books as per Anne-Marie's Lynda course.

                                             

                                            Again, from what you're saying, CS5.5 really doesn't allow the multimedia features that the Terry White videos say it does. So the 5.5 Terry White tutorial demos were really programmed? None of the features can be easily implemented?

                                            • 19. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                                              BobLevine CommunityMVP

                                              That's not correct. It's just the video does a less than stellar job of pointing out when it's switching from EPUB to DPS.

                                               

                                              Bob

                                              • 20. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                                                AnneMarie Concepcion CommunityMVP

                                                Hey Bob, that Terry White video is strictly about EPUB. It does not cover DPS at all.

                                                 

                                                JSemple, everything that Terry showed in that video you linked to is possible with InDesign CS5.5 and EPUB (reflowable) eBooks. Which parts of it don't seem believable to you?

                                                 

                                                One of the things he showed was how to include an embedded video. At this point, only Apple's iBook application supports that. (Not Kindle. The Nook is beta testing). But note the video is titled "InDesign CS5.5 Publishing EPUBs to the iBook with Video."

                                                 

                                                AM

                                                • 21. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                                                  BobLevine CommunityMVP

                                                  Then I'm thinking about a different video where he touches on the new features in CS5.5....I'll see if I can find a link.

                                                   

                                                  Ah...here we go: http://tv.adobe.com/watch/cs-55-design-premium-feature-tour-/design-premium-feature-tour-o verview

                                                   

                                                  Bob

                                                  • 22. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                                                    jjsemple Community Member

                                                    Anne-Marie, a priori, I don't disbelieve anything Terry says. It was only after I started asking questions on this forum and having people tell me that the Terry White videos exaggerated the capabilities of CS5.5 that I began to question same.

                                                     

                                                    I'm an open vessel; I know nothing, except that I've used Quark, Framemaker, inDesign to lay out print books since 1990. I was working for Apple at the time. Now I have a publishing company. About six months ago we decided to do no more print books, just concentrate on iPad high-design, multimedia books. Since then we have been exploring the capabilities of various tools. Hoping that some vendor would eventually give us drag-and-drop, plug-and-play, one-button from computer to ePub for iPad, we took our time.

                                                     

                                                    It's very hard to get accurate, top-down info so that we can make good decisions. Each time I tell some what we're trying to do, I get different, conflicting answers. It seems to me that Adobe should be evangelizing the ePub to iPad workflow around the clock.

                                                     

                                                    What we want to do: We want to produce of the design-intensive, multimedia iPad eBooks, not Digital Magazines, not Kindle, not anything that can't be leveraged from the iPad version. We'd like tools that give us the most features and control — like the examples we see in the Terry White overviews — for the least amount of programming. The most control so that what we see on the iPad looks like what we see on the computer screen.

                                                     

                                                    Right now, this sector seems to be stuck in a situation similar to the one when I worked for Apple, the situation with the Postscript printer language. We'd have to print to a Postscript file and had no way of seeing what we'd get. Lots of intermediate steps. Little by little, this process became less opaque, more streamlined. We now have inDesign export direct to PDF so we can skip all the intermediate steps. This will happen in the eBook world. Sooner or later. someone, perhaps Adobe, perhaps not, will come up with a drag-and-drop, plug-and-play toolkit so that non-technical, one/two/three-person small shops — writer/illustrator/designer — can create beautiful iPad eBooks without programming.

                                                     

                                                    In the meantime, we need straight answers. Hopefully, your upcoming CS5.5 for ePub course will provide them:

                                                     

                                                    1. Layout and Testing

                                                    Layout choices

                                                    Style choices

                                                    Content and text flow

                                                    Design elements

                                                    Embeding audio in a graphic

                                                    Audio/video

                                                    Testing/viewing documents/layouts

                                                    Horizontal/vertical issues

                                                    TOC issues

                                                    Uploading to iPad

                                                    Using the layout to manage content flow

                                                    Using XML tags to manage content

                                                    Naming styles and linked assets

                                                    Modifying Text and Images for EPUB Export

                                                    Cleaning up the text flow

                                                    Applying paragraph and character styles

                                                    Modifying nested, GREP, and line styles

                                                    Modifying tables

                                                    Converting InDesign graphics

                                                    Manually optimizing images

                                                    Creating a cover image

                                                    Adding a custom TOC as the first page of an EPUB file

                                                    Adding metadata to an InDesign file or book

                                                     

                                                    2. Exporting to EPUB

                                                    Choosing general EPUB export options

                                                    Choosing EPUB export options for images

                                                    Choosing EPUB export options for contents

                                                     

                                                    3. Previewing and Validating EPUB Files

                                                    Previewing EPUBs on your computer and devices

                                                    Previewing for the iBooks app

                                                    Validating EPUB

                                                     

                                                    4. Editing EPUB Files for Functionality

                                                    Getting inside an EPUB file

                                                    Identifying parts of an EPUB

                                                    Choosing an EPUB editor

                                                    Modifying the navigational TOC

                                                    Adding and editing metadata

                                                    Creating guide sections for iBooks

                                                     

                                                    4. Editing EPUB Files for Formatting

                                                    Cleaning up the XHTML files

                                                    Cleaning up the CSS file

                                                    Setting spacing in the file

                                                    Creating drop caps

                                                    Creating sidebars and pull quotes

                                                    Setting text wrap rules

                                                    Creating links

                                                     

                                                    5. Converting EPUB Files to Other ebook Formats

                                                    Preparing your EPUB file for Kindle conversion

                                                    Converting with KindleGen and Kindle Previewer

                                                    Using the Kindle plug-ins for InDesign

                                                    Converting for other resellers

                                                     

                                                    6. Distributing Your ebook

                                                    Getting an ISBN for each edition

                                                    Getting your ebook into the Kindle Store, iBookstore, or NOOKbook Store

                                                    Using third-party aggregators

                                                    Selling from your own web site or eCommerce site

                                                     

                                                     

                                                    JJ Semple

                                                     

                                                    PS. I'm enjoying your CS5 course, looking forward to the CS5.5 update.

                                                    • 23. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                                                      AnneMarie Concepcion CommunityMVP

                                                      Interesting.

                                                       

                                                      I'm curious, which multimedia ebooks that are on the iPad now are you trying to learn how to create? Any favorite titles?

                                                       

                                                      Are you creating interactive, rich media PDFs of your books at all?

                                                       

                                                      AM

                                                      • 24. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                                                        Fred Goldman Community Member

                                                        BobLevine wrote:

                                                         

                                                        Again, DPS and EPUB are two completely different animals...and you don't have to create two orientations. If you don't, however, you won't get the automatic change when you rotate the tablet. I recently did a job for a major publisher and they elected to have one orientation only. How many people really rotate the tablet when they're reading?

                                                         

                                                        EPUB is very much like the web. The text adapts and flows according to the view port. DPS is a fixed layout. The designer chooses everything.

                                                         

                                                        It's certainly very labor intensive but it's not ridiculous and until you start working with it and get comfortable with the disconnect between some native ID feature and the limitations of the tablets, you're not likely to see why things are the way they are.

                                                         

                                                        Bob

                                                        How many people really rotate the tablet when they're reading?

                                                        That is not really the correct way of looking at it. Some people use their iPad exclusively in landscape mode and others exclusively in portrait mode. The correct way to word the question would be "How many people want to have to rotate their iPad to use your app?" I, for one, would only buy an app that is available in landscape mode.

                                                        • 25. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                                                          BobLevine CommunityMVP

                                                          I don't disagree, Fred. And that's why with a current job that I'm working on, the client and I both agree that if the text flows just a bit differently in the portrait or landscape mode, it's okay. Not very many will notice since they choose a way to read and stick with it.

                                                           

                                                          The other thing to think about is the tablet itself. Take the PlayBook for instance, It's 1024x600. That's not very tall when in landscape mode.

                                                           

                                                          But I digress, the real point here is that the creation process is very, very labor intensive. In the job I referred to my previous post, the client supplied their vertical orientation iPad files and I handled the conversion to PlayBook. It was 80 hours of work to go from 1024x768 to 1024x600.

                                                           

                                                          So, if I have any beef about any of this is the fact that it's made to look to so simple. Again, as I said earlier, there's nothing simple about any of this.

                                                           

                                                          Bob

                                                          • 26. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                                                            jjsemple Community Member

                                                            Purchasing a iPad this week, I hope to start exploring what's out there. So far, I've mostly been looking at tutorials and training videos to get a handle on the possibilities.

                                                             

                                                            I think Bob raises some good points about what clients will settle for and also about the labor-intensive nature of the process. We have to start working with the tools and testing iterations on an iPad. Hope the encouragment we're getting on this forum and Lynda tutorials like yours will help us accomplish this.

                                                            • 27. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                                                              Derek Cross Community Member

                                                              You might consider attending this two-day online webinar: http://indesign2ipad-eorg.eventbrite.com/

                                                               

                                                              Derek

                                                              • 28. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                                                                jjsemple Community Member

                                                                Derek,

                                                                 

                                                                Thanks, but this one seems more oriented in DPS than ePub; with the RovingBird stuff, way too expensive for a small operation. However, using your lead, I found another from the same group. Unfortunately, it takes place in August. We hope to be further along by then. Depending on our progress, may still do it...

                                                                • 29. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                                                                  Silver Plum Digital

                                                                  Is there a way to get "Overlay Creator" content to an EPUB, HTML, PDF, etc.?

                                                                  • 30. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                                                                    BobLevine CommunityMVP

                                                                    Is there a way to get "Overlay Creator" content to an EPUB, HTML, PDF, etc.?

                                                                    No.

                                                                     

                                                                    Bob

                                                                    • 31. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                                                                      jjsemple Community Member

                                                                      What's the best way to embed text in an image? In Photoshop? I read that Apple was going to reject an ePub if text was part of an image because it was no longer searchable? Is there a way to keep the text in the image as text? Without having it move when exported to ePub? I only have about 5-6 short lines of text in each chapter image. The text is actually repeated later on.

                                                                       

                                                                      I have some audios and videos placed in each of my 7 chapters. When I export to ePub, they don't show up in Calibre or Firefox ePub reader. I get teh following error in ePubChecker: <ERROR: /Volumes/T-Rex03/Kundalini/Books/Carlton/eBookApp/CSS5.5/Book/Test/110514-TaoHoops.epub/O EBPS/110512-Mental.html(30): unknown element "video" from namespace "http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">. Am I not setting the controls correctly? Declaring it to inDesign?

                                                                       

                                                                      I created a style for the first and last lines of some verses so that each vers will be separated from the following one. In addition, in the last line style I selected a paragraph rule to better separate the verses. None of this formatting work appears in the Preview window, except that now the lines are differently justified. Is there any way to get this working properly?

                                                                      • 32. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                                                                        MystiMac Community Member

                                                                        Hello, Anne Marie,

                                                                        I'd watched all your Lynda.com tutorials on InDesign CS5, and recently all the adobe TV and whatever offerings Lynda.com has so far (not much) on InddCS5.5. I think I remember in your CS5 tutorials you saying something about no running heads... Not sure if this is different in CS5.5. I'm assuming that now that I'm ready to do the epub version of a book, which I have laid out for the print version, that I will need to make another version for epub, without any running heads (or page numbers). Am I correct? I'd listen to your entire CS5 tutorial again on Lynda.com, but I know so much was changed for CS5.5 and I don't want to get confused.

                                                                        • 33. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                                                                          MystiMac Community Member

                                                                          Also, AnneMarie,

                                                                          By now, now that InddCS5.5 has been released, it may be that the specs have changed for nook and kindle. I will get to researching this, but if you cover it in your next Lynda.com tutorial, that would be great.

                                                                          • 34. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                                                                            AnneMarie Concepcion CommunityMVP

                                                                            Hi there,

                                                                             

                                                                            There is nothing different about running heads and footers in CS5.5 vs. CS5.  Assuming they're master page items (that you haven't overridden on the document pages) then you don't have to save a version without them. When you export to EPUB, master page items are ignored.

                                                                             

                                                                            The CS5.5 title is not done yet, but should be out this summer.

                                                                             

                                                                            Thanks for your support!

                                                                             

                                                                            AM

                                                                            • 35. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                                                                              MystiMac Community Member

                                                                              Thank you so much!!! Really! My headers are in master pages, so I'll just

                                                                              export my book layout to epub. You've saved me a lot of trouble. I look

                                                                              forward to your  next offerings, re. CS5.5.

                                                                              ~Karen McChrystal

                                                                              • 36. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                                                                                JessicaBaylis

                                                                                I posted this elsewhere, but perhaps this is the place for it, since people here seem to be solving problems left and right!

                                                                                 

                                                                                I'm having a play with CS5.5 and  have been delighted thus far with the embedded audio functionality.  However, I'm having a bit of trouble with the video. I want to embed an  MP4 to be read in an epub, both on an iPhone and an iPad screen. Is this  possible? I know you can make images conform to screen sizes by  rasterising them, but obviously one can't rasterise a video. Embedding  the video at iPhone dimensions seems to mean watching a quite tiny clip  on the iPad, but embedding video at iPad dimensions results in a video  that just won't play.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Is there a workaround for this? I'd  love for the epub I'm making to have that kind of flexibility - I don't  particularly want to have to make a different book for every device out  there.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Thanks for any advice you can give!

                                                                                • 37. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                                                                                  Steve Werner CommunityMVP

                                                                                  I know of one person who has extensively tested placing video and audio in EPUBs for the iPad. It's Elizabeth Castro. She has published a small EPUB about it. You can order it here:

                                                                                   

                                                                                  http://www.pigsgourdsandwikis.com/2011/05/audio-and-video-in-epub-new-straight-to.html

                                                                                  • 38. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                                                                                    marcusstringer Community Member

                                                                                    Steve Werner wrote:

                                                                                     

                                                                                    I know of one person who has extensively tested placing video and audio in EPUBs for the iPad. It's Elizabeth Castro. She has published a small EPUB about it. You can order it here:

                                                                                     

                                                                                    http://www.pigsgourdsandwikis.com/2011/05/audio-and-video-in-epub-new- straight-to.html

                                                                                    NUts you beet me to it, while I was logging in

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Yes Liz Castro is the Guru of ePub

                                                                                    http://www.pigsgourdsandwikis.com/2011/05/update-to-audio-and-video-in-epub.html

                                                                                    • 39. Re: General InDesign CS5.5 EPub Issues/Thoughts
                                                                                      tomchmski

                                                                                      I'm going to have to get Liz's download, but this discussion has already been quite enlightening. I'm at a decision point on revising an already publshed ebook, and this is clearing up the issues. I designed and published a multimedia e-cookbook on historic recipes. It has illustrated audia narrations (animations), video demos, extensive link navigaton and pop-up notes instead of footnotes. I designed it in InDesign CS3 and released it as an interactive PDF. I did this just prior to the first release of Kindle, and the whole first wave  of e-readers just didn't cut it for showing the work. Now I'm anxious to get it on the iPad and other tabliets. You can read the PDF on an iPad, but no videos work.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      My choices seem to be:

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Sell it with a link to the app EzPDF Reader which does play the videos on an iPad and other tablets (as long as they're MP4s). There are some minor work arounds (Video poster images don't show, so I have to place a jpeg below the video to have it show on the page), and the pop up notes don't appear (but I have a glossarhy and notes section duplicated in the back, so I can live with that). The rest of the e-book is untouched and looks great, and it still doesn't read on a Kindle.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Learn what I can of InDesign CS5.5 during a 30-day trial and export it as an ePub3.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Figure out how to do the fixed layout option for the iPad, which puts me into coding where I've gone before, but it's still like stepping into a dark woods.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      While keeping it as a PDF seems the easiest option, it depends on potential readers being willing to buy the book AND the app to read it on tablets. Not a good marketing call. While I'm going to plow ahead anyway with learning what I can of CS5.5, I'm still considering any other options and advice if anyone can help. thanks.

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