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1. Re: Exporting to EPS causes strange text results - Indesign CS5
BobLevine May 31, 2011 5:22 AM (in response to Macnimation)Besides finding a printer who's not using a 20-year old workflow all I can tell you is that you should stop opening the EPS in Illustrator. Contrary to popular belief, Illustrator is neither a general purpose EPS editor nor a general purpose PDF editor.
To get an idea of what it looks like, place it back into InDesign and turn on high quality previews.
Bob
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2. Re: Exporting to EPS causes strange text results - Indesign CS5
P Spier May 31, 2011 5:37 AM (in response to Macnimation)Aside from the ancient workflow problem that Bob mentioned, why does it matter
waht the .eps looks like? You aren't going to be editing it.
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3. Re: Exporting to EPS causes strange text results - Indesign CS5
Macnimation May 31, 2011 5:48 AM (in response to Macnimation)Thanks for the quick responses.
I do agree, but as this was the first time I have been asked to send an EPS file to the printer, as usually it is PDF, or the actually Indesign File itself, I opened it in Illustrator to see how it converted.
The file in Indesign is fine on Hi Quality settings.
Thanks again.
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4. Re: Exporting to EPS causes strange text results - Indesign CS5
[Jongware] May 31, 2011 5:48 AM (in response to P Spier)Does the EPS format even allow layers? I would have never guessed that.
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5. Re: Exporting to EPS causes strange text results - Indesign CS5
Laubender May 31, 2011 11:51 AM (in response to [Jongware])Hi, Jongware!
No, it does not. It's Illustrator as a viewing tool (don't do that!) showing substrings of text on different sublayers. In an InDesign EPS there is no layer information left.
@Macnimation:
To test that EPS you can distill it with Acrobat Distiller to PDF and do a Acrobat Pro preflight. Nothing else! Again: Illustrator is the wrong tool for testing.
Uwe
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6. Re: Exporting to EPS causes strange text results - Indesign CS5
MT.Freelance May 31, 2011 12:18 PM (in response to Macnimation) -
7. Re: Exporting to EPS causes strange text results - Indesign CS5
BobLevine May 31, 2011 12:33 PM (in response to MT.Freelance)My guess is that the luddite printer is simply placing these EPS files into Quark. If that's the case the PDF would be worthless.
Again, this isn't an issue with the EPS file being a problem, it's the fact that Illustrator is not going to open it properly.
Bob
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8. Re: Exporting to EPS causes strange text results - Indesign CS5
Jeffrey_Smith May 31, 2011 1:26 PM (in response to Macnimation)What do I do to avoid this?
Nothing. And the many Illustrator text segments that you see is the typical result of the Illustrator conversion of an eps export. The concern you would need to have is whether something other than this fragmentation is happening, like text dropping completely, different font, etc.
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9. Re: Exporting to EPS causes strange text results - Indesign CS5
John Hawkinson Jun 1, 2011 12:01 AM (in response to [Jongware])Jongware asked:
Does the EPS format even allow layers? I would have never guessed that.
Well, of course it does!
But of course it doesn't!
What does that question even mean?
EPS is a well-defined subset of the PostScript language.It's a page description languge. If I write some posttscript like this:
/layer1 def { newpath 0 100 rlineto 100 0 rlineto 0 -100 rmoveto -100 0 rmoveto closepath stroke } /layer2 def { /Helvetica findfont 100 scalefont setfont (J) show } layer1 layer2then do I have layers? Or do I not? Surely I can easily add something to layer1's square and something to layer2's letter J and the z-ordering of everything will be preserved.
Layers are a concept that is nearly meaningless in output formats, but to the extent they mean, "Z-ordering of objects and structure thereof can be preserved by further editors," then of course EPS can have them. To the extent that they mean "Any program that will open the file that understands the common well-understood subset of EPS will understand that there are "layers," then not-so-much,
To the Macnimation: to preview a PostScript file, you should use a compliant PostScript interpreter. Ghostscript + Ghostview is probably your best bet, though you can use Preview on the Mac as well. Or print to a PostScript printer!
Jeffrey: Is it really Illustrator's import that's doing it rather than InDesign's export?I would never have guessed that!
P.S.: Ogres have layers.
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10. Re: Exporting to EPS causes strange text results - Indesign CS5
Macnimation Jun 2, 2011 2:53 AM (in response to Macnimation)Hi,
It turns out that the printer is using Quark (Can I say that here?)
It can read EPS better than Illustrator apparently.
thanks for all the info.
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11. Re: Exporting to EPS causes strange text results - Indesign CS5
Stix Hart Jun 2, 2011 3:06 AM (in response to Macnimation)Surprise surprise! Because you're using InDesign you should look for another printer if that's possible....
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12. Re: Exporting to EPS causes strange text results - Indesign CS5
Eugene Tyson Jun 2, 2011 4:33 AM (in response to Macnimation)Still no bloody reason to import the files to Quark. They probably have an imposition plugin for Quark.
In reality they should have a PDF imposer, Acrobat do one called Quite Imposing. And There are stand alone Imposition software.
If you deliver files to the printer that are print ready they shouldn't be changing anything, especially the file format. All sorts of things can do kaka.
A pro printers should be able to handle a PDF and impose and make the job with the PDF files.
Requesting EPS files would make me run a thousand miles in the other direction.
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13. Re: Exporting to EPS causes strange text results - Indesign CS5
BobLevine Jun 2, 2011 4:43 AM (in response to Macnimation)Macnimation wrote:
It can read EPS better than Illustrator apparently.
Wow, that luddite really is handing out a load of rubbish. Run...run...run far away from this printer.
Bob
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14. Re: Exporting to EPS causes strange text results - Indesign CS5
John Hawkinson Jun 2, 2011 4:56 AM (in response to BobLevine)Umm, Bob, the statement is true. Quark doesn't "read" EPS, it just shows you the preview and passes the EPS through to the printer or PDF Distiller or whatever. Illustrator actually tries to read the EPS...sort-of. That causes problems.
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15. Re: Exporting to EPS causes strange text results - Indesign CS5
BobLevine Jun 2, 2011 5:32 AM (in response to John Hawkinson)Given the context of this thread, I stand by my remarks.
That printer is a luddite who doesn't deserve to stay in business.
Bob
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16. Re: Exporting to EPS causes strange text results - Indesign CS5
Eugene Tyson Jun 2, 2011 6:06 AM (in response to BobLevine)I concur, wholeheartedly.
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17. Re: Exporting to EPS causes strange text results - Indesign CS5
K-Pxl Jun 2, 2011 2:03 PM (in response to Eugene Tyson)Give the printer PDF files saved directly from Illustrator (Save As).
Tell them to make it work.
Just be sure your fonts are embedded.
Otherwise, I also concur that you need to find a new printshop.






