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1. Re: Please help me decide, FX3800, FX4800, (or 4000?)
Harm Millaard Jan 12, 2011 12:55 AM (in response to RFDPiper)The 4000 has the most modern and effective architecture. The 3800 and 4800 are old designs and thus less effective and slower.
Do consider improving your disk setup. That is the main bottleneck in the specs you gave.
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2. Re: Please help me decide, FX3800, FX4800, (or 4000?)
Scott Chichelli Jan 12, 2011 8:18 AM (in response to RFDPiper)sorry but i have to comment.
unless you need 10bit color why are you wasting your money on a Quadro when a 470/570
will outperform for less $
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3. Re: Please help me decide, FX3800, FX4800, (or 4000?)
RFDPiper Jan 13, 2011 7:59 PM (in response to Harm Millaard)What do you mean by improving my disk set up? What do you suggest? I've been hearing about Velociraptors, would that work better?
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4. Re: Please help me decide, FX3800, FX4800, (or 4000?)
Harm Millaard Jan 13, 2011 11:27 PM (in response to RFDPiper) -
5. Re: Please help me decide, FX3800, FX4800, (or 4000?)
AirStream Pictures Jul 2, 2011 5:12 AM (in response to Scott Chichelli)"unless you need 10bit color why are you wasting your money on a Quadro when a 470/570 will outperform for less $"
Anybody doing serious graphic work should build the system for 16-bit color or float (32-bit). Why? because when you start to do the tweaks necessary to make composite blends look natural, you will produce color banding very easily in 8-bit color modes. Even if your output is going to be 8-bit, compositing in 16-bit well make a huge difference.
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6. Re: Please help me decide, FX3800, FX4800, (or 4000?)
Bill Gehrke Jul 2, 2011 5:53 AM (in response to AirStream Pictures)AirStream, you are correct in that 16 bit color is better than 8 or 10-bit but Premiere only supports 10 bits maximum.
See this:
http://blogs.adobe.com/VideoRoad/2010/06/understanding_color_processing.html
"Trying to understand video color precision is, well, a confusing task. There are so many different terms floated around – 8-bit and 10-bit color are used to describe cameras, while software talks about 8 bits per channel, 16 bits per channel, and 32-bits per channel “floating point” color. What does it all mean?? And, for the colorist, how does Premiere Pro handle color?? To enable more steps, there’s 16-bit color. 16-bit color is used by After Effects and Photoshop, but isn’t in Premiere Pro CS5. "
I also know that unless you have a monitor that supports 10-bit per channel video that it is a waste of money to get a graphics card that can output 10-bit video. I believe that the graphics cards process the full specification of the data you supply it is just the output to the monitor is limited.
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7. Re: Please help me decide, FX3800, FX4800, (or 4000?)
AirStream Pictures Jul 2, 2011 7:44 AM (in response to Bill Gehrke)"AirStream, you are correct in that 16 bit color is better than 8 or 10-bit but Premiere only supports 10 bits maximum."
That is only correct when referring to monitor display, and really doesn't have much to do with the choice of graphics cards the OP was asking about, for a couple of reasons:
First, the OP said he was doing graphic-intensive work with the Production Suite, not just PPro. AE supports 16 and 32 bit compositions. And in v5.5, ae is using OpenGL, which uses GPU acceleration provided by the Quadro card.
Second, if you read the whole article you linked, you see that PPro does indeed support 32 bit float in its internal processing (even when displaying only 8-bit). The 10-bit display question is not the reason you'd buy one of these cards, it's to accelerate rendering and real-time performance regardless of the output bit depth. With the Mercury Playback Engine, the 3800, 4800 and 4000 cards will make a great deal of difference in how the system performs at those bit depths. Additionally, the GPU-accelerated effects (color-correction is one of them in PPro) work at 32 bit precision, so they produce higher-quality results. This is even true with mixed sequences that use both 8-bit and 32-bit effects if you're using the GPU acceleration one of these cards will provide. The accelerated effects go through a 32-bit pipeline (maintaining full quality/precision), the 8-bit effects go through the CPU pipeline.
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8. Re: Please help me decide, FX3800, FX4800, (or 4000?)
JSS1138 Jul 2, 2011 12:46 PM (in response to AirStream Pictures)Here's the question, though. With fewer processing cores, will the Quadro series perform better than a cheaper GeForce card? There was no specific mention that Quadros offer any thing better in color processing, with the exception of the display output. So it stands to reason that with fewer cores, they would perform worse than a GeForce, thus making the only reason to get one the 10-bit display output. If you don't need that, you'll spend less money and get better performance from a GeForce.
Have I got something wrong in that line of reasoning?
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9. Re: Please help me decide, FX3800, FX4800, (or 4000?)
Harm Millaard Jul 2, 2011 1:35 PM (in response to JSS1138)Completely correct.
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10. Re: Please help me decide, FX3800, FX4800, (or 4000?)
Bill Gehrke Jul 2, 2011 2:13 PM (in response to AirStream Pictures) -
11. Re: Please help me decide, FX3800, FX4800, (or 4000?)
AirStream Pictures Jul 2, 2011 5:06 PM (in response to Bill Gehrke)On Jul 2, 2011, at 5:13 PM, Bill Gehrke <forums@adobe.com> wrote
Here is my two-cents worth!
http://forums.adobe.com/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/74408/Quadro-4000-vs-GTX-560.jpg
Half the clock rate and about 2/3's of the CUDA cores for 2.7 times the cost. AirStream are you a salesman for nVidia?
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Heavens, no!
Sorry, guys, I hadn't realized that the comment was RE: CUDA cards vs. other CUDA cards. That's in part because I live in a 10-bit world, and don't think about the others enough. I see the 580 also supports OpenCL. All good. Sorry for taking the detour.
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12. Re: Please help me decide, FX3800, FX4800, (or 4000?)
JSS1138 Jul 2, 2011 9:12 PM (in response to AirStream Pictures)So unless RFDPiper actually needs 10 bit output, it looks like it's back to the drawing board re: card suggestions.
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13. Re: Please help me decide, FX3800, FX4800, (or 4000?)
screeen Jul 3, 2011 10:21 AM (in response to Bill Gehrke)hi Bill, can you please refer me to the website that specifies the GTX560 memory size, because i'm looking at a few sellers and all seem to say the card is 1GB.
thanks.
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14. Re: Please help me decide, FX3800, FX4800, (or 4000?)
Bill Gehrke Jul 3, 2011 11:13 AM (in response to screeen) -
15. Re: Please help me decide, FX3800, FX4800, (or 4000?)
screeen Jul 6, 2011 3:03 AM (in response to Bill Gehrke)thanks Bill.





