27 Replies Latest reply: May 8, 2012 10:08 AM by JSS1138 RSS

    Encore CS5.1 and DTS sound for BluRay: Has there been any success

    FotisGreece Community Member

      I have not updated to the latest version (can't afford at the moment) but I would really like to know if there have been any improvements in the DTS sound file handling.

       

      In CS5 you can NOT create a BluRay disk with dts sound. dtshd (using DTS MasterAudioSuite) are not accepted at all and .cpt files are accepted but can only be used for DVD projects (when trying to create a BD project with .cpt you can an error of file not valid for BluRay).

       

      Has something changed in newer version?

      I would be really interested to know about this.

       

      Thanks in advance

        • 1. Re: Encore CS5.1 and DTS sound for BluRay: Has there been any success
          JSS1138 Community Member

          I'm curios myself.  I plan on upgrading my business to 5.1 surround sound this year, and would like to create both DVDs and Blu-ray with DTS 5.1 soundtracks.

          • 2. Re: Encore CS5.1 and DTS sound for BluRay: Has there been any success
            Keith_Clark Community Member

            FotisGreece wrote:

             

            I have not updated to the latest version (can't afford at the moment) but I would really like to know if there have been any improvements in the DTS sound file handling.

             

            Has something changed in newer version?

             

            nope. my colleague updated cs5 over the weekend, and we just ran a couple of tests, and still the same situation with DTS, .cpt and .dts are not "legal for blu-ray" and .dtshd is not a format encore will import.

             

            so i guess write DTS, or keep bugging adobe for this as a suggestion for cs6?

            • 3. Re: Encore CS5.1 and DTS sound for BluRay: Has there been any success
              the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

              DH,

               

              Thanks for that update.

               

              Sounds like a good place to plug the good old Feature Request form.

               

              Appreciated,

               

              Hunt

              • 4. Re: Encore CS5.1 and DTS sound for BluRay: Has there been any success
                ram8kumar Community Member

                 

                 

                nope. my colleague updated cs5 over the weekend, and we just ran a couple of tests, and still the same situation with DTS, .cpt and .dts are not "legal for blu-ray"

                 

                Hi,

                 

                Encore does support the DTS files and also does a pass through of those files(i.e.  No transcoding is required). But the DTS file has to be a Blu-ray legal file.

                The specifications of the DTS files should be according to the BD spec.

                The following specifications are mentioned in the BD spec :

                 

                Core audio data part of the Synchronized frame

                • Duration of Synchronized Frame         :     512 samples per channel      

                • Sampling Frequency (Fs)                   :     48 kHz     

                • Bit Rate                                            :     192*103 to 1509*103 bits/second    

                • Audio Channel Arrangement               :     1/0, 2/0, 3/0, 3/1, 2/1, 2/2, 3/2  

                • Low Frequency Effects Flag               :     Available  

                 

                 

                You can check the file specification with the help of vlc media player of a tool named Mediainfo (available for free)

                If you still face any problem, please send the files to me. I am an Adobe Employee and I can do a quick analysis for the legality of the file.

                 

                Thanks,

                Ramesh.

                Software Engineer

                Adobe Systems

                • 5. Re: Encore CS5.1 and DTS sound for BluRay: Has there been any success
                  Neil Wilkes Community Member

                  ram8kumar wrote:

                   

                   

                   

                  nope. my colleague updated cs5 over the weekend, and we just ran a couple of tests, and still the same situation with DTS, .cpt and .dts are not "legal for blu-ray"

                   

                  Hi,

                   

                  Encore does support the DTS files and also does a pass through of those files(i.e.  No transcoding is required). But the DTS file has to be a Blu-ray legal file.

                  The specifications of the DTS files should be according to the BD spec.

                  The following specifications are mentioned in the BD spec :

                   

                   

                  Core audio data part of the Synchronized frame

                  • Duration of Synchronized Frame         :     512 samples per channel      

                  • Sampling Frequency (Fs)                   :     48 kHz     

                  • Bit Rate                                            :     192*103 to 1509*103 bits/second    

                  • Audio Channel Arrangement               :     1/0, 2/0, 3/0, 3/1, 2/1, 2/2, 3/2  

                  • Low Frequency Effects Flag               :     Available  

                   

                   

                  You can check the file specification with the help of vlc media player of a tool named Mediainfo (available for free)

                  If you still face any problem, please send the files to me. I am an Adobe Employee and I can do a quick analysis for the legality of the file.

                   

                  Thanks,

                  Ramesh.

                  Software Engineer

                  Adobe Systems

                  Hi Ramesh.

                   

                  Good to see you here, andthanks for the clarification.

                  However, the OP was referring to DTS-HD Master Audio.

                  Encore sees the files & will import them - but gets it hopelessly wrong.

                   

                  When can we expect to see lossless surround support please? It's great having the replication option, but we need better features too.

                  DTS-HD MAS is the best one to do for, as not only will DTS be happy to help Adobe implement this, but it also carries the Core Audio component

                  multiplexed into the main .dtshd stream - at the very, very least Encore should be able to import this.

                  Full support would be much better though - Audio is 50% of a film, you know, and in a concert film it should get more.

                  A bad film can be saved with great sound, but bad sound will ruin any film, no matter how well edited or how high the definition

                   

                  @ ram8kumar

                  ,

                  5.1 DTS Core Audio is mandatory for BD, but so is 5,1 LPCM, and Encore cannot do this either.

                  I  have not had issues importing DTS or CPT files - cpt is the preferred  form these days (the DTS-HD MAS encoder only outputs compact form these  days)

                  • 6. Re: Encore CS5.1 and DTS sound for BluRay: Has there been any success
                    ram8kumar Community Member

                    Hi,

                     

                    Encore does not support dtshd audio but it supports the dts and cpt files if they are blu ray legal.

                    If you are seeing any issues with dts or cpt files, then please share the file with us. We can do some analysis on that file.

                    If you can share the file, then please let me know. You can share your email id and I will share some ftp location with you.

                     

                    Thanks,

                    Ramesh.

                    • 7. Re: Encore CS5.1 and DTS sound for BluRay: Has there been any success
                      Neil Wilkes Community Member

                      When will we get DTSHD or LPCM 5.1?

                      Lossless is needed.....it really is.

                      • 8. Re: Encore CS5.1 and DTS sound for BluRay: Has there been any success
                        FotisGreece Community Member

                        Ok, ladies & gentlemen, let's see what's going on here.

                        First of all I would like to thank my friend George from a London based studio who was kind enough to help me with his professional DTS MA suite encoder

                         

                        Here is a zipped file which contains two dts .cpt audio files

                         

                        https://www.yousendit.com/download/MEtUbUpSSU9xRTJ4dnc9PQ

                         

                         

                        1) The one is star754.cpt

                         

                        DTS stream tools gives this info in verification

                         

                        Num Channels = 2
                        Sample Rate = 48000
                        Lossy Encode
                        Samples per frame: 512
                        Core FSIZE (bytes):     1006
                        Core Bitrate (kbps):     754

                         

                        ****** End of input bit stream ******
                        1875 out of 1875 frames verified successfully

                         

                        Stream passes verification with no errors.

                         

                        and mediainfo gives this

                         

                        General
                        Complete name                    : V:\Temp\star754.cpt
                        Format                           : DTS
                        Format/Info                      : Digital Theater Systems
                        File size                        : 1.80 MiB
                        Duration                         : 20s 0ms
                        Overall bit rate                 : 755 Kbps

                        Audio
                        Format                           : DTS
                        Format/Info                      : Digital Theater Systems
                        Duration                         : 20s 0ms
                        Bit rate mode                    : Constant
                        Bit rate                         : 755 Kbps
                        Channel(s)                       : 2 channels
                        Channel positions                : Front: L R
                        Sampling rate                    : 48.0 KHz
                        Bit depth                        : 16 bits
                        Compression mode                 : Lossy
                        Stream size                      : 1.80 MiB (100%)

                         

                        This file is OK when building  blu ray projects. No problem

                         

                         


                        2) The second file is star1509.cpt

                         

                        DTS stream tools gives this info in verification

                         

                        Num Channels = 2
                        Sample Rate = 48000
                        Lossy Encode
                        Samples per frame: 512
                        Core FSIZE (bytes):     2013
                        Core Bitrate (kbps):     1509

                         

                        ****** End of input bit stream ******
                        1875 out of 1875 frames verified successfully

                         

                        Stream passes verification with no errors.

                         

                        and mediainfo gives this info

                         

                        General
                        Complete name                    : V:\Temp\star1509.cpt
                        Format                           : DTS
                        Format/Info                      : Digital Theater Systems
                        File size                        : 3.60 MiB
                        Duration                         : 20s 0ms
                        Overall bit rate                 : 1 510 Kbps

                        Audio
                        Format                           : DTS
                        Format/Info                      : Digital Theater Systems
                        Duration                         : 20s 0ms
                        Bit rate mode                    : Constant
                        Bit rate                         : 1 510 Kbps
                        Channel(s)                       : 2 channels
                        Channel positions                : Front: L R
                        Sampling rate                    : 48.0 KHz
                        Bit depth                        : 16 bits
                        Compression mode                 : Lossy
                        Stream size                      : 3.60 MiB (100%)

                         

                        This file although it is accepted comes and with the error that it is not BluRay legal. So it is NOT OK

                        • 9. Re: Encore CS5.1 and DTS sound for BluRay: Has there been any success
                          Neil Wilkes Community Member

                          FotisGreece wrote:

                           

                          Ok, ladies & gentlemen, let's see what's going on here.

                          First of all I would like to thank my friend George from a London based studio who was kind enough to help me with his professional DTS MA suite encoder

                           

                          Here is a zipped file which contains two dts .cpt audio files

                           

                          https://www.yousendit.com/download/MEtUbUpSSU9xRTJ4dnc9PQ

                           

                           


                           

                           


                          2) The second file is star1509.cpt

                           

                          DTS stream tools gives this info in verification

                           

                          Num Channels = 2
                          Sample Rate = 48000
                          Lossy Encode
                          Samples per frame: 512
                          Core FSIZE (bytes):     2013
                          Core Bitrate (kbps):     1509

                           

                          ****** End of input bit stream ******
                          1875 out of 1875 frames verified successfully

                           

                          Stream passes verification with no errors.

                           

                          and mediainfo gives this info

                           

                          General
                          Complete name                    : V:\Temp\star1509.cpt
                          Format                           : DTS
                          Format/Info                      : Digital Theater Systems
                          File size                        : 3.60 MiB
                          Duration                         : 20s 0ms
                          Overall bit rate                 : 1 510 Kbps

                          Audio
                          Format                           : DTS
                          Format/Info                      : Digital Theater Systems
                          Duration                         : 20s 0ms
                          Bit rate mode                    : Constant
                          Bit rate                         : 1 510 Kbps
                          Channel(s)                       : 2 channels
                          Channel positions                : Front: L R
                          Sampling rate                    : 48.0 KHz
                          Bit depth                        : 16 bits
                          Compression mode                 : Lossy
                          Stream size                      : 3.60 MiB (100%)

                           

                          This file although it is accepted comes and with the error that it is not BluRay legal. So it is NOT OK

                           

                          What did you use to encode the file?

                          DTS-HD MAS?

                          If so, did you encode to Blu Ray specs, because when I look at it in streamtools, it verifies correctly but when I put it in the streamplayer, it says

                          "UNKNOWNFORMAT_dialnorm"

                          It's also a stereo file, and AFAIK DTS Core Audio in stereo at full bitrate is pointless, as you end up with a data stream the same as the LPCM it started as, but with content thrown away - therefore you must be getting weird stream containers.

                           

                          Is it supposed to be in stereo?

                          If so, why encode to DTS full bitrate?

                          • 10. Re: Encore CS5.1 and DTS sound for BluRay: Has there been any success
                            FotisGreece Community Member

                            Hi, it was encoded in DTS MAS,

                            destination format: dvd .cpt

                            bitrate: 754 and 1509 accordingly

                            dialog norm: -31

                            sample rate: 48000

                            channel: 2.0

                             

                            1) It was encoded in dvd format because if you choose destination bluray the file comes as dtshd and it is not imported at all in Encore

                            2) It is a stereo file just simply because it is for testing, doesn't matter if we gain anything or not, it is just testing.

                             


                            If you study my results you will see that the 754.cpt file is used with no problem for BluRay project building. But the 1509.cpt file is not.

                             

                            If you check the mediainfo analysis it interprets the 754.cpt file as 755 bitrate and the 1509 as 1510 bitrate (whereas the dts stream tool correctly reports them as 754 and 1509 bitrate respectively).

                             

                            So it seems that Encore is doing the same thing. If Encore is strict about BluRay specs (max bitrate 1509) it reports it as not legal as it interprets it wrongly as 1510 Kb/s.

                            Fot the file with 754 (interpreted wrongly as 755 kb/s) there is no problem as it is way before the max bitrate limit.

                             

                            That is my first guess.

                            • 11. Re: Encore CS5.1 and DTS sound for BluRay: Has there been any success
                              Neil Wilkes Community Member

                              FotisGreece wrote:

                               

                              Hi, it was encoded in DTS MAS,

                              destination format: dvd .cpt

                              bitrate: 754 and 1509 accordingly

                              dialog norm: -31

                              sample rate: 48000

                              channel: 2.0

                               

                              1) It was encoded in dvd format because if you choose destination bluray the file comes as dtshd and it is not imported at all in Encore

                              2) It is a stereo file just simply because it is for testing, doesn't matter if we gain anything or not, it is just testing.

                               


                              If you study my results you will see that the 754.cpt file is used with no problem for BluRay project building. But the 1509.cpt file is not.

                               

                              If you check the mediainfo analysis it interprets the 754.cpt file as 755 bitrate and the 1509 as 1510 bitrate (whereas the dts stream tool correctly reports them as 754 and 1509 bitrate respectively).

                               

                              So it seems that Encore is doing the same thing. If Encore is strict about BluRay specs (max bitrate 1509) it reports it as not legal as it interprets it wrongly as 1510 Kb/s.

                              Fot the file with 754 (interpreted wrongly as 755 kb/s) there is no problem as it is way before the max bitrate limit.

                               

                              That is my first guess.

                               

                              I understrand this is for testing, but it's a flawed test as the stereo DTS file is a contradiction in terms.

                              Just saying, really, that a much better test would be with a 5.1 DTS Core Audio file.

                              Quite simply, stereo .cpt DTS Core Audio just is not mandatory in the specs, and is most likely unsupported.

                              I'm just not seeing anything that suggests it is not supported, but every mention of DTS Core Audio is talking about 5.1.

                              Normally, stereo in DTS Core Audio is just not really done at full bitrate - never once have I seen it.

                               

                              What does happen if you try a proper 5.1 encoding? (just to test)

                              • 12. Re: Encore CS5.1 and DTS sound for BluRay: Has there been any success
                                FotisGreece Community Member

                                Here you are, a proper dts 5.1 test file (use it to test your speakers)

                                 

                                here is the file

                                 

                                1) https://www.yousendit.com/download/MEtRTkZ0R0ZsUjlFQlE9PQ

                                 

                                and here is the settings used

                                 

                                http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/857/settingst.jpg/

                                 

                                 

                                Again mediainfo reports it as 1510 Kb/s where as the dts streamtools as correctly 1509 Kb/s

                                 

                                Encore imports it, it works OK for building DVD project, it does NOT work for BluRay projects (the legal error again)

                                 

                                2) Again the same settings except that now it is encoded in 754 Kb/s

                                 

                                https://www.yousendit.com/download/MEtRTkZqQzd0TWswTVE9PQ

                                 

                                Encore imports it and works OK for dvd projects and also works OK for BluRay. I am telling you, it's this 1509-1510 thing

                                • 13. Re: Encore CS5.1 and DTS sound for BluRay: Has there been any success
                                  ram8kumar Community Member

                                  Hi,

                                   

                                  I tried with various other tools from Sonic and VLC player etc.

                                  The bit rate info that these tools show for your files is out of the BD spec limit.

                                  So it would be great if you try to create a file with lesser bit rate and then take it to encore and burn it. I think there will be no problem then.

                                   

                                  Thanks,

                                  Ramesh.

                                  • 14. Re: Encore CS5.1 and DTS sound for BluRay: Has there been any success
                                    FotisGreece Community Member

                                    So the DTS file is out of specs for 1 (one) kb/s. It is shown as 1510  but in reality it is 1509 KB/s which is legal. Actually the dts stream tools verify that it is 1509 Kb/s. The next below encoding bitrate is 754 kb/s which is not sufficient in my opinion for 5.1 sound.

                                     

                                    I have an idea. Does anyone know of any method to change the hex header-value in the file to make it report ar 1508?

                                    Or maybe can Ecnore be modified to accept 1510 KB/s bitrate?

                                    Since you see in the picture that the official DTS MAS encoder, outputs the file with these characteristics which is ofcourse legal, can't you make some improvements to Encore to accept it?

                                     

                                    Thanks in advance

                                    • 15. Re: Encore CS5.1 and DTS sound for BluRay: Has there been any success
                                      ram8kumar Community Member

                                      I tried with VLC player which reads it as 1568Kbps .

                                      En passes only those dts files through which are in agreement with the Blu-ray spec.

                                      If it lets the other streams pass through it, then there might be problem while playing it on the player.

                                       

                                      Thanks,

                                      Ramesh.

                                      • 16. Re: Encore CS5.1 and DTS sound for BluRay: Has there been any success
                                        FotisGreece Community Member

                                        try the mediainfo program. it will report it as 1510 Kb/s (which again I say it is not correct as it is FULLY LEGAL 1509 Kb/s)

                                         

                                        See here the screenshot of the settings of the DTS MAS, the official DTS encoder. It clearly say 1509 Kb/s

                                         

                                        http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/857/settingst.jpg/

                                         

                                        I don't know why various windows application report it as 1510 or more, But the dts streamtool in the DTS MAS after analyzing it give the correct bitrate of 1509.

                                         

                                        Maybe you could try and have a chat with DTS systems why this is happening and how could it be fixed in Encore.

                                        • 17. Re: Encore CS5.1 and DTS sound for BluRay: Has there been any success
                                          Jeff Bellune CommunityMVP
                                          I don't know why various windows application report it as 1510 or more, But the dts streamtool in the DTS MAS after analyzing it give the correct bitrate of 1509.  Maybe you could try and have a chat with DTS systems why this is happening and how could it be fixed in Encore.

                                          Actually, you should have a chat with DTS to find out why the file created by DTS MAS is being seen by 3 different Windows applications as having an illegal bit rate.  Whatever's wrong with the file that's causing En to not see the selected bit rate is causing the same issue in other Windows apps; it's obviously a problem with the file.

                                           

                                          -Jeff

                                          • 18. Re: Encore CS5.1 and DTS sound for BluRay: Has there been any success
                                            FotisGreece Community Member

                                            Funny answer. DTS MAS is the official encoder used by industry leading applications with no problem. The files encoded with DTS MAS are used with no problem in Scenarist and NetBlender (my friend in the studio verified NetBlender). Their encoder and their streamtools application work and report fine.

                                            Even Encore uses them just fine for DVD creation at both 754 & 1509 Kb/s. There is something wrong with the BluRay creation at 1509 Kb/s which I guess is up to Adobe engineer's to find out.

                                             

                                            And by the way, if you create a BluRay project with dts 754 kb/s and later with BDfix replace the audio with the supposed illegal 1509-1510 Kb/s the blu ray disc works perfectly.

                                             

                                            And again I would like to say that files created with DTS MAS are perfectly legal since it is their own game that we try to play to.

                                             

                                            Update

                                            Talking about legal files read this

                                             

                                            http://www.dts.com/Professionals/Products/Encoding_Decoding/DTS_HD_Master_Audio_Suite_TM/F AQ.aspx

                                             

                                            Can I author a Blu-ray Disc with a .cpt file?
                                            No. Blu-ray Disc does not support .the cpt file structure. Blu-ray Disc only supports the .dtshd format, which is created with the DTS-HD Master Audio Suite.

                                            What are some authoring systems for Blu-ray Disc that are compatible with DTS-HD?
                                            Sonic Scenarist®, Sony Blu-print™, NetBlender DoStudio™

                                             

                                            Encore does make Bluray disc with .cpt files (at 754 Kb/s)

                                             

                                            http://www.dtshdforcompressor.com/justTheFaqs.html

                                             

                                              Does Adobe Encore CS4 support .dtshd files for Blu-ray?

                                            No. Currently, Encore only supports DTS .cpt files. Please note that while Adobe Encore CS4 supports .cpt file import/pass-through, these encodes are not BD compliant for commercial product release

                                            • 19. Re: Encore CS5.1 and DTS sound for BluRay: Has there been any success
                                              DizzyBoyDizzy

                                              ..What decoder does Encore get it's bitrate info reported from? An installed windows decoder or an app-internal Encore decoder?

                                               

                                               

                                               

                                              This is a very serious issue btw and needs to be dealt with swiftly, as it renders Encore practically useless for people who deal with primarily HD / Blu-ray content. I've found workarounds for its other bugs and quirks, but this right here is ridiculous. Not only can I not use HD audio (won't even import dtshd files), but the only solution is to cut the bitrate of my already core-quality audio tracks in half. Completely unacceptable.

                                              • 20. Re: Encore CS5.1 and DTS sound for BluRay: Has there been any success
                                                FotisGreece Community Member

                                                Since the problem is that dts files at 1509 kb/s are reported as 1510 in windows applications (except dts streamtools which correctly identifies as 1509) my guess would be to try and hex edit the dts file and make it report as 1508 kb/s.

                                                 

                                                Unless ofcourse Adobe enginneers spend a little time and discuss it with dts labs and i am sure there can be a quick fix or something. Come on, give us at least the happiness of using dts sound in blu ray..

                                                • 21. Re: Encore CS5.1 and DTS sound for BluRay: Has there been any success
                                                  DizzyBoyDizzy Community Member

                                                  I was thinking (optimistically) that maybe the fix for these windows apps was as easy as changing the windows decoder to something that reported more accurately.

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  For now, I see two options, potential "before or after hacks" to make this work:

                                                   

                                                  Modify the dts/cpt files to make them look 1509kbps or lower, then import,

                                                   

                                                  Modify the built BDMV folder files from Encore, created with a "dummy" low-bitrate dts file, with a program like bdfix or bdedit.

                                                   

                                                  For the first option, my original thought was to go with DTS-HD MAS, Surcode DVD-DTS, or with free software like eac3to and attempt to encode the files to a slightly lower bitrate, which after a significant amount of time fiddling with each program, I quickly concluded impossible (there are no options to change the bitrate further with dts (non-hd) audio other than the standard 1509/754 with MAS, and the 1536/768 with DVD-DTS, and eac3to won't even recognize commands to encode to anything other than the latter two bitrates.

                                                   

                                                  I then downloaded HxD, a free hex editor, imported a file in, and felt immediately cold and isolated. I quickly closed it, before depression started to sink in.

                                                   

                                                  For the second option, I went to try to BDFix as an earlier poster suggested, but refuse to pay $600-$1000 to fix a problem that should not exist. I then went for BDedit, a free -- albeit with less automated functionality -- tool, opened it, loaded my bdmv.index file, and immediately went cross-eyed. I decided I would try to do on my own with no structure edit, by muxing the proper audio with the video and subs into a custom .M2TS file using TsMuxer, and replace the main film .M2TS in the STREAM directory within the BDMV folder. I then built the ISO (using ImgBurn) and while this did effectively use the new audio, the video now has a horrible seeking issue, where it glitches and takes forever to switch chapters or move the slider to a later scene in the timeline. This more than likely being due to the new audio not matching what the files somewhere in the BDMV folder are expecting.

                                                   

                                                  So, until someone good at hex or BD structure editing steps up with some assistance, or one of us becomes fluent at either, we are at the mercy of Adobe to actually make this product work.

                                                   

                                                  Of course, there is a third option: go with Scenarist. Which I would gladly do at this point, had I not already expended the money, time, and effort of acquiring and learning this buggy software. If this issue isn't fixed soon, I may begrudgingly be forced to do so.
                                                  • 22. Re: Encore CS5.1 and DTS sound for BluRay: Has there been any success
                                                    Neil Wilkes Community Member

                                                    DizzyBoyDizzy wrote:

                                                     

                                                    I was thinking (optimistically) that maybe the fix for these windows apps was as easy as changing the windows decoder to something that reported more accurately.

                                                     

                                                     

                                                    For now, I see two options, potential "before or after hacks" to make this work:

                                                     

                                                    Modify the dts/cpt files to make them look 1509kbps or lower, then import,

                                                     

                                                    Modify the built BDMV folder files from Encore, created with a "dummy" low-bitrate dts file, with a program like bdfix or bdedit.

                                                     

                                                    For the first option, my original thought was to go with DTS-HD MAS, Surcode DVD-DTS, or with free software like eac3to and attempt to encode the files to a slightly lower bitrate, which after a significant amount of time fiddling with each program, I quickly concluded impossible (there are no options to change the bitrate further with dts (non-hd) audio other than the standard 1509/754 with MAS, and the 1536/768 with DVD-DTS, and eac3to won't even recognize commands to encode to anything other than the latter two bitrates.

                                                     

                                                    I then downloaded HxD, a free hex editor, imported a file in, and felt immediately cold and isolated. I quickly closed it, before depression started to sink in.

                                                     

                                                    For the second option, I went to try to BDFix as an earlier poster suggested, but refuse to pay $600-$1000 to fix a problem that should not exist. I then went for BDedit, a free -- albeit with less automated functionality -- tool, opened it, loaded my bdmv.index file, and immediately went cross-eyed. I decided I would try to do on my own with no structure edit, by muxing the proper audio with the video and subs into a custom .M2TS file using TsMuxer, and replace the main film .M2TS in the STREAM directory within the BDMV folder. I then built the ISO (using ImgBurn) and while this did effectively use the new audio, the video now has a horrible seeking issue, where it glitches and takes forever to switch chapters or move the slider to a later scene in the timeline. This more than likely being due to the new audio not matching what the files somewhere in the BDMV folder are expecting.

                                                     

                                                    So, until someone good at hex or BD structure editing steps up with some assistance, or one of us becomes fluent at either, we are at the mercy of Adobe to actually make this product work.

                                                     

                                                    Of course, there is a third option: go with Scenarist. Which I would gladly do at this point, had I not already expended the money, time, and effort of acquiring and learning this buggy software. If this issue isn't fixed soon, I may begrudgingly be forced to do so.

                                                    Sorry to sound negative here, but all this strikes me as a complete waste of time as Encore is not actually decoding anything here.

                                                    DTS support is passthrough only, unless something has changed in CS5.5 variant that I do not yet know about.

                                                    It's the application importer that has the problem, as 1510 reported instead of 1509 on PC notwithstanding, I am having no trouble at all in actual authoring with DTS files (using the .cpt variant) in Scenarist at all. As the 2 apps use the same authorcore, it's got to be the importer and not windows otherwise it would all fall apart in Scenarist too.

                                                    FWIW, DVD-Lab Pro gives 1536kbps as the bitrate for imported DTS files, clearly wrong, yet still it gets things right in the actual compile stage.

                                                    The coders blame this on the file headers, and say it simply is not an issue to worry about.

                                                    Also, editing with stuff like eac3to is not going to work for BD as the verification will doubtless fail more often than not when fed out of spec assets - the creation of which is highly likely in reverse engineered "encoders" as this has to be.

                                                     

                                                    The other reason I think the problem must be in the importer is because of what happens on attempting to import DTS-HD files in high resolution or Master Audio format - it just does not work as Encore's importers get it all wrong & ignore the VBR code, treating it all as CBR with disastrous results.

                                                    I cannot understand why mandatory codecs are not implemented - makes no sense to me at all - so I feel your pain here as DTS Core Audio is a mandatory stream for Blu Ray inasmuch as all players must be capable of decoding it, yet it's broken.

                                                    Another missing in action codec is 5.1 LPCM too.....maybe the developers do not think audio is important!

                                                    • 23. Re: Encore CS5.1 and DTS sound for BluRay: Has there been any success
                                                      ram8kumar Community Member

                                                      The files given by you were also shared with the Sonic (3rd party tool, Encore uses for BD burning and for checking the BD legality of the files).

                                                      They also said that the files were not BD compliant with their bit rates being above BD-spec range.

                                                      i think this might be the issue with The DTS encoder used. You should check with them.

                                                       

                                                      Thanks,

                                                      Ramesh.

                                                      • 24. Re: Encore CS5.1 and DTS sound for BluRay: Has there been any success
                                                        FotisGreece Community Member

                                                        Funny thing, they were not BD compliant?

                                                         

                                                        In the meantime I have checked the files with a sudio's scenarist blu ray workstation and guess what, they are imported and work fine.

                                                         

                                                        Just out of curiosity you people there in Adobe, have you ever come across a BD compliant DTS file with bitrate 1509 kb/s?

                                                        Just even a test file to check if we are wrong or if the Encore importer is wrong? Maybe we are all wrong and Encore is perfect.

                                                         

                                                        I guess since you advertise DTS passthrough for bd compliant files you may have tested at least one.

                                                        • 25. Re: Encore CS5.1 and DTS sound for BluRay: Has there been any success
                                                          SALAZAROO

                                                          Hi everybody! After one year from this post and after trying to build a BD with DTS sound, i experienced after 29 tests that:

                                                           

                                                          - Only DTS file with 768kbps was admited and procesed by Encore.

                                                           

                                                          - A single DTS track MUST be used; no reels, no audio-chapters. Only one reel / one clip for DTS audio!

                                                           

                                                          - You can add a second track with stereo, splitted in reels or chapters. Also the video can be in reels and chapters.

                                                           

                                                          I was able to build a feature film in BD with DTS + Stereo, with 5 subtitles, in a 25GB disk.

                                                          • 26. Re: Encore CS5.1 and DTS sound for BluRay: Has there been any success
                                                            Neil Wilkes Community Member

                                                            Hi All.

                                                             

                                                            Firstly, the DTS-HD MAS suite does indeed make fully legal bitstreams for Blu-Ray, DVD and DTS-CD as well as digital delivery.

                                                            If Encore is getting it wrong, and also other windows applications are likewise getting it wrong whereas DoStudio & Scenarist accept it, then there has to be a reason why.

                                                             

                                                            The good news is that CS6 now supports DTS-HD Master Audio in passthrough modes.

                                                            • 27. Re: Encore CS5.1 and DTS sound for BluRay: Has there been any success
                                                              JSS1138 Community Member
                                                              The good news is that CS6 now supports DTS-HD Master Audio in passthrough modes.

                                                               

                                                              Sweet!