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1. Re: Born on the wrong planet? & Lines
ruthgordy Aug 15, 2011 2:09 PM (in response to kenackr)No you are on the same planet.
In Illustrator go to the Window pull down menu and select the Stroke palette.
Select your line and select Dashed Line in the Stroke palette.
You can then customize the length of the dash and the space between
Good luck
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[scott] Aug 15, 2011 2:14 PM (in response to kenackr)Select the line. The check Dashed Stroke on the Strokes Panel. You can then change the dash and gap distance on the stroke using the fields below.
Illustrator simply give you more control over a dashed line than a simple "style."
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kenackr Aug 15, 2011 4:03 PM (in response to kenackr)OK, thanks to both of you for giving me the secret decoder ring! I tried to give you both "help answer points" since your answers were essentially identical. It appears I have more to learn there as well since it didn't quite turn out that way.
Any how, you both gave me enough info to finally make it work.
I would never in a million years have guessed "stroke" had anything to do with it. I'm used to thinking of "stroke" as an external wrapper for a number or character or other object and most certainly not something that would control the appearance of what I normally think of as the LINE itself. Seems like twisted logic to me, but now that I know, I'm good to go.
It took me a while to disregard what I thought I knew from other programs (like photoshop) & adopt the nomenclature of "stroke" as pertaining to Ill alone.
I wonder why would people in the same organization (Adobe) have different connotations for the same word? Could it be a cultural quirk or a technical quirk? Hmmmmmmm.....
Thanks again for the help,
Ken
Here in all it's glory, the finished frame:
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[scott] Aug 15, 2011 4:55 PM (in response to kenackr)Not really sure what you mean, Ken. Stroke in Photoshop means to apply a color along a path. It means exactly the same thing in Illustrator.
In any event, glad you got it working.
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kenackr Aug 16, 2011 8:23 AM (in response to [scott])Scott,
Thanks for the response. It appears I used the right phrase " what I thought I knew" after all.
In photoshop, I had never applied a stroke to any object I couldn't actually see like characters or objects. It had never occured to me to even try. I assumed that "stroke" was like a "wrapper" that hugged the outsideof the shape it was being applied to, including a simple straight line like the lower case letter "l". etc.
The concept of "path" did not occur to me, however, now that you've said it, I begin to understand it more clearly now. There is a dangling question in my mind that I still can't make sense of.
Please help with this: In the case of the single line I drew, If you supress the color of the line, but apply stroke (obviously with color & thickness) the image generated looks like a single line. Does this mean that when object color is supressed (by the slash "/" selection) that the "path" of the now "invisible" object remains but is treated as single dimensional object (no width to it as a visible line would have) so that the stroke is only applied to one side? OR is the alternative true that the stroke is applied to both sides of the path but it overlaps itself to appear as a single line?
Thanks for any guidance you can shine on this,
Ken
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[scott] Aug 16, 2011 11:08 AM (in response to kenackr)Paths are construction elements and have no dimensions. You can fill a document with paths, print it and you'll see nothing. This is true in both Photoshop and Illustrator.
The "stroke" is what provides the dimensions in Illustrator. Width and color is applied to the path (spline) in Illustrator giving it printable and visible dimension. By default all strokes are applied to the center of the path. So Illustrator's default 1pt stroke will place 0.5pt to the left of the path and 0.5pt to the right of the path.
You can see this same behavior in Photoshop if you use the Pen Tool, draw a path, switch to the Brush tool and hit the Return key to apply color and width to the path.
The Line Tool differs between the two apps however. In Illustrator the line tool merely draws a path, or a construction spline, to which a user can apply color and dimension. In Photoshop the line tool draws a small rectangle path and fills it with color. Technically Photoshop's Line tool doesn't make lines at all. It makes rectangles constrained to the width entered in the Control Panel. Illustraotr's paths are similar to using the Pen tool in Photoshop to draw paths with the options below.This is essentially how all drawing in Illustrator takes place. There's no dimension to anything until color is applied to it. Color along the path is controled by the Stroke panel. Color inside the path is controlled by the Fill options in Illustrator.
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kenackr Aug 16, 2011 3:38 PM (in response to [scott])Scott,
Thank you once again.
So much to learn......brain's getting old........eye's getting bad....... must keep moving forward though.........stagnation is death. One baby step at a time.
Thank you for being understanding & generous with your help.
Ken
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Wade_Zimmerman Aug 16, 2011 6:17 PM (in response to kenackr)I am going to give you a little more information on the use of strokes in Illustrator and the dash feature
In CS 5 you can also use the width tool to varythe width of a stroke the width tool is in the tool panel or Shift + W
You can make the dash line a dotted line using the Dash Feature in the Stroke Panel by using the round cap and the setiing of zero for the dash and a gap greater that the measure of the stroke weight.
You can use the Appreance panel to add a stroke to a pah that already has a stroke and get effects such as these.
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kenackr Aug 17, 2011 9:26 AM (in response to Wade_Zimmerman)Wade,
This is phenominal! I never suspected one could use a cap like that or double stoke. I'll definitely give a look & play around with the feature & the appearance panel.
How deep does one have to dig in what place to discover things like this?
I use the Help search but seem NOT to bump up against explanations like you & Scott have provided. It's clear that I've only touched the surface of the capabilities with these programs (I'm trying to learn Dreamweaver too since Go Live went away).
The problem we are all faced with in learning programs with incredible depth is how & where to find an instructional delivery method that is in sync with our individual learning styles. The reality is: how do you eat the elephant? The answer for me is: one small bite at a time in plain language (like the both of you have used) and being able set my own pace of information intake. (I have a 90% hearing loss from the service, so while visuals are always great, if I can't can't control the speed of the audio delivery, I quickly get buried & left behind).
This really makes the best learning delivery method for me as a "slide show" with text & pictures, where I can turn the page when I have finished "chewing" the small mouthful ingested. Is there a delivery vehicle of this nature available for either the individual programs in CS3 design premium OR the entire suite?
Many Thanks,
Ken
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11. Re: Born on the wrong planet? & Lines
Doug Katz Aug 17, 2011 11:13 AM (in response to kenackr)You need to watch some videos. Go to lynda.com. That's how you eat an elephant in the illiterate era in which we all find ourselves.
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kenackr Aug 17, 2011 5:47 PM (in response to Doug Katz)Doug,
Thanks for your input, under normal circumstances you would be correct, however read on.
Been there & tried that. I'm sitting here with 2 lynda books with cd's for the last 5 months and progress is so slow I think the sun will explode before I'm done with them. The Lynda videos I've tried to watch were all speaking too fast or me. For all intents & purposes I'm legally deaf.
Seriously hearing impaired people can't keep up with rapid talking speakers because we're spending all our brain power trying to figure out what the words were that we could not discriminate to plug back in those holes. During "normal" paced speech (that I was accustomed to before the hearing loss), I miss about 3 or 4 out of 10 words in a quiet atmosphere. Double the speed, like David Muir on ABC news or Kaia Uriarte in Corpus Christi news broadcasts and I tend to miss 7 or 8 words out of ten. Have 2 or more people speak at the same time and all comprehension goes to zero.
Like I mentioned above, my best learning method now is slide shows with printed words where I control the speed of information dump.
"Normal" hearing people don't know about these things because they've never had to contend with how to learn with profound hearing loss.
Please do not take my comments the wrong way, I am just trying to communicate the realities I must deal with in everday life now because some idiot in Washington said " lets have a little war & send the maleable & gullible young men to do the dirty work for us". That **@##^ soapbox snuck in here again, sorry. 'nuff said.
On the other hand, if you invent a program that can slow the speech down while keeping the pitch the same AND keeping the video in sync at the slower rate, I'd be the first in line to buy it.
Thanks for trying to help,
Ken
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Doug Katz Aug 18, 2011 1:40 PM (in response to kenackr)I too am hearing impaired, although not as severely as you and not as a result of the same **@##^ misfortune.
When I've watched video tutorials, I've appreciated the stop, pause, and rewind buttons. They let me pick up on the second or third replay what most people pick up the first time.
But what works for one condition obviously fails for others.
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kenackr Aug 18, 2011 6:19 PM (in response to Doug Katz)Doug,
I truly appreciate your kind thoughts & trying to help. No harm, no foul. I have no choice but to play the hand I've been dealt.
I want to thank you and all the other kind folks on the forum that help those of us who struggle with trying to understand complex technology so that we may find a way to contribute to society in a positive way, rather than than taking the easy way out and dwelling on the negative.
Many, many thanks,
Ken
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Wade_Zimmerman Aug 18, 2011 8:35 PM (in response to kenackr)I am also have some hearing lossdue to an injury and actually find it useful in many cases if you know what I mean.
You know, "What was that?"
But you gave me an idea close captions for video tutorials.
I think this is an idea that whose time has come.
I good suggest for Adobe as well.
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Hugh Betcha Aug 19, 2011 7:33 AM (in response to kenackr)This might be beside the point, but the Lynda videos are usually filled with a lot of unnecessary 'gabbing'. I find this forum and the web in general to be the best source for screenshots, guidance and inspiration.
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kenackr Aug 19, 2011 8:24 AM (in response to Hugh Betcha)Hugh,
I agree with you in general. The responses to questions on forums are almost always more to the point, assuming the questions put forth are more to specific.
Ken
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kenackr Aug 19, 2011 8:30 AM (in response to Wade_Zimmerman)Wade,
That is a great idea! I wonder if it could be implemented via a speech to text program that is fed the original audio track? If so, that would be an easy way to automate the conversion to text and keep the cost down. It also could be a feature that can be turned on or off at the user's choice.
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[scott] Aug 19, 2011 11:05 AM (in response to kenackr)FYI from Lynda.com's FAQ.....
We are proud to offer closed captioning for select training titles in the Online Training Library®, denoted by the CC graphic. The benefits of closed captioning are two-fold; it helps those with impaired hearing follow along and also enables us to provide you with the ability to search the text of the closed captioned movies in our library.
Studies have shown that watching films with closed captions enabled can improve comprehension. It is our hope that by providing closed captions for our training it will help you gain a deeper understanding of the presented subject matter.
Here's how to access the full transcript of closed captions for a course:
1. Visit lynda.com and navigate to the course you wish to watch.
2. Once you can see the table of contents for a course look for the transcript tab. It is located to the right of the table of contents tab near the top of the page. This will be below the title of the course, author's name, and share button but above the list of movies.
3. From the transcript tab you can click on the name of any movie in the course and the written transcript of what is spoken will appear. This information can be copied and pasted into any text editor.For the record, I can't hear any of you. I only see text
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Wade_Zimmerman Aug 19, 2011 12:03 PM (in response to [scott])Astounding!
My hearing problems are minor but at one time I got a good dose of what others go through with hearing impairments.
It is not what you think, it is very,very hard for anyone to have to deal with this on a day to day basis.
I was foirtunate to have most of my symptoms disappear and have some the loss which is only in one ear restored by nature.
I admire anyone with the courage to face up to this problem.
Anything tht can be done to help is a good deed.
It is also a good suggstion about use a speech to text mechanism which Adobe is trying to develop in Premeire Pro.
I will look into it again and see wha I can come up with in this regard.
Scott Ihope you never have to fce this issue in your life.
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Jacob Bugge Aug 19, 2011 1:00 PM (in response to kenackr)Ken, and others,
Beyond the hitherto scope of this thread, I wonder whether you have something like this over there:
Otherwise, it may be worth visiting. The format used over here is PAL/Region 2, but as far as I remember it also covers some NTSC/Region 1 releases, and if you have/buy a region-free player it matters little.
It should be mentioned that other terms are used over here: in itself, the term Subtitles normally cover only speech, Subtitles for the HOH/Hard of Hearing/hearing impaired cover more, within a range from the (woman screaming/door slamming) kind over things like (engine idling) to titles of music played.
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Kurt Gold Aug 19, 2011 1:03 PM (in response to Jacob Bugge)What did you say?
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Jacob Bugge Aug 19, 2011 2:09 PM (in response to Kurt Gold).. .....
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kenackr Aug 19, 2011 4:52 PM (in response to [scott])Scott,
Thanks for coming up with that from Lynda's. I'll have to go back to the site and check it out.
When I was in the process of learning the basics of sketchup, they have some tutorials that come as a slide format with text that the user can control. It really helped me and I'm sure other hearing impaired people too.
FYI - I can't hear you either!
Jacob,
Thanks for the lead, I'm going to check it out ASAP.
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Jacob Bugge Aug 20, 2011 1:24 AM (in response to kenackr)For my part you are welcome, Ken.













