18 Replies Latest reply: Aug 25, 2011 9:21 AM by Nini Tjäder RSS

    Muse (code name) Beta

    Nancy O. MVP

      http://muse.adobe.com/

       

      Muse is a pre-launch software available at no charge during the beta  period. At the end of the beta period (early 2012), Adobe® will offer for-purchase  subscriptions which are currently expected to be US $15-$20/month or US  $180-$240/year.

       

      If at some time in the future you would like to make changes to your Muse web  site, you will need an active subscription to Muse in order to  open the design, update it, then re-publish it to your web hosting  provider.

       

       

       

      Nancy O.
      Alt-Web Design & Publishing
      Web | Graphics | Print | Media  Specialists 
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        • 1. Re: Muse (code name) Beta
          bmurr22 MVP

          I've been trying it out for awhile Nancy.  But I'm not convinced that no one wants to own the software.  Do we really want to use software like we are now beginning to use mobile internet, pay per usage?  I fear that if this succeeds the next step is charging users who have more sites or process more photos in Photoshop.  While I agree that the web is rapidly changing I really don't see why updates to things like the browser engines (eg: webkit) requires a monthly subscription for a quarterly update.  Is the Live View webkit engine that entrenched in the program that the only way to update it is with a major update?

           

          Plus it doesn't actually publish in the same way DW does.  It requires Business Catalyst to publish unless you export and use a separate FTP program or Dreamweaver.  And dynamic scripting support is non-existant.

           

          The only positive I see so far is a better Design View something that DW desperately needs to either retire and replace with Live View entirely, or get back in working order.

          • 2. Re: Muse (code name) Beta
            Lon Winters Community Member

            Not knowing anything about it except for these two posts and reading the overview on the homepage, it looks like an Adobe version of Joomla or something along those lines. Close?

            • 3. Re: Muse (code name) Beta
              hans-g. MVP

              Hi Nancy,

               

              thanks for the hint. What advantages do you think Muse (code name) Beta technology has? I for my part I deleted it after a while from my harddisk, sorry.

               

              Hans-Günter

              • 4. Re: Muse (code name) Beta
                Nancy O. MVP

                it looks like an Adobe version of Joomla or something along those lines. Close?

                No.  More like iWeb, I think.  But Adobe says a CMS will be wrapped into the release version 1 at some later date.

                 

                Did you look at the code it generates?  Yikes.  How many divisions can a single page have?

                 

                Nancy O.

                • 5. Re: Muse (code name) Beta
                  Nancy O. MVP
                  What advantages do you think Muse (code name) Beta technology has?

                  I think this product fills a void for GoLive users (non-coders) who got left in the dust when GL was discontinued.

                   

                  Nancy

                  • 6. Re: Muse (code name) Beta
                    Mr. Met Community Member

                    Agree about the GL comparison.

                     

                    As far as the pricing, Adobe is moving towards as needed leasing anyway due to steep decline in Creative Suite renewals due to bad economy, pricing, whatever. The way I understand it, I can renew one Design Premium suite so I have the latest apps across the board. If I ever get real busy again, I can lease ID only for only the month I need a freelancer in. That works for me and probably works for freelancers who are struggling to grab work. He or she can use the old CS3 PS and AI. ID is really the only app I need current since it's my primary tool. Someone who specializes in illustration or retouch can opt to just license PS or AI. A web person DW. Sort of like going back to single licenses but you have the option of how long to lease. In this economy, it's an excellent idea. Think about what you really need and decide for yourself. I'm the only one here. I have another workstation for an art director who comes in as needed. She often works from home too. Hard core illustration and PS get contracted out to a pro.

                    • 7. Re: Muse (code name) Beta
                      Nancy O. MVP
                      I'm not convinced that no one wants to own the software.  Do we really want to use software like we are now beginning to use mobile internet, pay per usage? 

                      Agreed. I'm not comfortable with this.

                       

                       

                      Nancy O.

                      • 9. Re: Muse (code name) Beta
                        Mr. Met Community Member

                        Once the cloud - iCloud, Google, whoever - becomes the primary means of file and application storage, subscription will be the only way companies will be able to manage and protect their licenses. It's inevitable. I was the same way the first time I heard that Adobe was going to subscription for the suite. Now I've come to the conclusion that having the option to buy or subscribe works to my advantage. I plan on subscribing to ID only on my 2nd workstation so me and freelancers and both work in ID CS5.

                        • 10. Re: Muse (code name) Beta
                          Lon Winters Community Member

                          Again, mainly just reading this thread, now Muse is starting to sound like the Apple App store, not the mobile app store but the one for software. Is adobe trying to pattern their model after Apple? It seems like people like the app store, but I haven't fully researched all thenreviews, pros and cons.

                          • 11. Re: Muse (code name) Beta
                            bmurr22 MVP

                            Lon Winters wrote:

                             

                            Again, mainly just reading this thread, now Muse is starting to sound like the Apple App store, not the mobile app store but the one for software. Is adobe trying to pattern their model after Apple? It seems like people like the app store, but I haven't fully researched all thenreviews, pros and cons.

                             

                            I don't understand your comment Lon.  While I would say that Adobe could (& should) update their Exchange and Widget Browser along the lines of the app store (w/ commercial purchasing options, validating extensions), I don't see how this relates to Muse.  In fact, Apple is pushing the opposite with their app store.  If you buy the license, it doesn't matter where you use it or where it's installed as long as you are logged in.  So you can use a purchase on one computer for multiple users on multiple computers.  This is drastic difference from Microsoft CALs and the Adobe user licenses.  But unlike Adobe, Apple doesn't really have a lot of subscription/upgrade options.  One of the biggest complaints is that, first you can't buy upgrades or get discounted rates for such activities, and second, when there are even minor updates, you currently have to re-download the entire application.  There is no patching whatsoever and believe me when I say, I dread seeing XCode updates for that reason.  Downloading 4 GB over and over is no fun and if you have an ISP that limits then you have to be careful as well.

                            • 12. Re: Muse (code name) Beta
                              Lon Winters Community Member

                              I guess the only similarity then is that they're looking for and trying new ways to deliver applications other than the traditional purchase and download or ship a DVD. More of a general concept than a direct comparison. Allele doesn't seem to have a subscription based anything, while certain competitors in certain markets have or are moving in that direction. If adobe is looking at subscription based applications to supplement or replace the suites, then I can understand both the value and the trepidation. I'm fortunate enough to have a fully likened version of CS4 Master Suite which my old employer purchased and let me keep when I left. However, it's an upgrade version, and it's unlikely that I would be able to purchase the CS5 upgrade through them, even if I had the money. So I'm looking at a full price suite is I want CS5, which I actually need, at least for a few programs. For me, subscription access would be an ideal solution, even if only temporary. I don't know how much of this relates to Muse in particular, just commenting on other comments that touch on the subject.

                              • 13. Re: Muse (code name) Beta
                                osgood_ MVP

                                I've only just heard about this Muse thingy. At first glimpse it looks very interesting.

                                 

                                Although Nancy has flagged up the number of <divs> it creates whilst doing its stuff which is rather off-putting but I guess Muse is aimed at non-coders so theres not a problem as they would never know whats under the bonnet.

                                 

                                The BIG BUT though is I would not pay for anything that is subscription based only. Subscription based is only good IF there is an option to buy outright as well. The end user should have the choice not be dictated too by the software provider....so for me I won't be investigating this Muse thingy any further unless Adobes mindset changes.

                                • 14. Re: Muse (code name) Beta
                                  polar_bare Community Member

                                  I downloaded MUSE the day after it came out. A graphic design company owner was talking to me about it. He was saying it is like using Indesign to design a website. You place all your elements just like you would in a page layout program and it writes all your code. Having a lot of respect for this person, I downloaded it and played with it. I think if you are going to use it, there is going to be a big learning (backword learning) curve. After playing with it for about 30 minutes, I decided I liked what I was using.

                                   

                                  I am not sure on some of the comments here, as I see a software package. No subscription except for hosting is what I am getting here, but you can use anyone to host. I will evalute it some more when I have the time, but I don't think this is for me.

                                   

                                  Jim

                                  • 15. Re: Muse (code name) Beta
                                    John Waller MVP

                                    I am not sure on some of the comments here, as I see a software package. No subscription except for hosting is what I am getting here, but you can use anyone to host.

                                     

                                    Muse is definitely planned to be sold by subscription only.


                                    http://muse.adobe.com/faq.html

                                     

                                    Why will Muse (code name) be sold by subscription only?

                                    Muse will be sold only by subscription because it will allow the Muse team to improve the product more quickly and be more responsive to your needs. Traditionally Adobe builds up a collection of new features over 12, 18 or 24 months, then makes those changes available as a major upgrade. It is anticipated that new updates of Muse will be released much more frequently, probably quarterly. New features will be made available when they're ready, not held to be part of an annual or biannual major upgrade. This will enable us to stay on top of browser and device compatibility issues and web design trends, as well as enabling us to respond to feature requests and market changes in a much more timely fashion.

                                     

                                    •   One-year for US$180/year (or $15/month)

                                    •   Month-to-month for US$20/month

                                     

                                     

                                    But you can host a Muse created website with any webhost (including Adobe) but you must FTP the files to your webhost yourself.

                                     

                                    Is it possible to host sites created with Muse with other hosting providers?

                                    Yes, you can use Muse to build sites and then publish them with a different host provider. Follow these steps: Choose File > Export to HTML. Export the site files to a local folder on your machine. Use Adobe® Dreamweaver® or a third-party FTP client to connect to the host provider using your client's account information. Use an FTP application to upload the site files to the server.

                                    • 16. Re: Muse (code name) Beta
                                      Mr. Met Community Member

                                      If you can upload to a hosting company and it's HTML, why can't you reopen the files in DW? I'm willing to bet that Markzware or someone else will create a converter for Muse to DW (M2DW).

                                      • 17. Re: Muse (code name) Beta
                                        bmurr22 MVP

                                        Mr. Met wrote:

                                         

                                        If you can upload to a hosting company and it's HTML, why can't you reopen the files in DW? I'm willing to bet that Markzware or someone else will create a converter for Muse to DW (M2DW).

                                         

                                        Well there's a good reason for that.  The app so far in development is an AIR application.  They create a site file as DW creates a site definition, however, the actual HTML and CSS is within that file, unlike DW which only stores local/remote/path information in the file.  In order to edit the files in DW you need to export the HTML/CSS from Muse and then edit files as you would in DW.  As to whether someone could be able to extract HTML and CSS files from their AIR site file, it could be possible, but that's why it's in testing right now.  Could you work with the program as it currently is if there is no converter.

                                        • 18. Re: Muse (code name) Beta
                                          Nini Tjäder Community Member

                                          Not really, it is not filling any void for GL users, unless you use it for scetching and then tweak elsewhere (DW) at which point you cannot take it back into Muse. Personally I wouldn't be comfortable not seeing the html when worken even though I hardly ever write html. I do read it though and can spot oddities in it if I have to. GL was not such a simple application that many think it was and definitely NOT for non-coders.