16 Replies Latest reply: Oct 10, 2011 4:55 AM by [r]Evolution RSS

    Some Serious Bugs in Multicam

    emin3m33 Community Member

      Why has nobody fixed these major bugs? Makes the multicam feature Complete **** and unusable.

       

      I have 3 cameras on a wedding shoot. Synced em all up using PLural Eyes, make a multicam sequence and dropped it in there. Enabled multicam. So not only does the audio not work only (only left channel), but the multicam is completely full of crap! My third camera wasn't on the whole time, it was short clips. So whenever my third camera would shut off, the fricken multicam desides to always switch to the default camera as soon as the third camera goes off. Who the heck would do that? Causes more problems. Not only this, but if my third camera goes off, the video display goes red and DISABLES my choice, I can't switch to a second camera! Why would I want to switch to my second camera? Well my third camera went off, which by defualt, the multicrap decides to go to defualt camera, which happens to be the third camera, so it goes to a blank screen! and the multicrap outlines a red box which disables my camera and I cant choose another camera until the third camera comes back on! What balony crap coding  nonsense is this?

        • 2. Re: Some Serious Bugs in Multicam
          emin3m33 Community Member

          Adobe pays no attention to that. ive been reporting it for years. vegas anyone?

          • 3. Re: Some Serious Bugs in Multicam
            Jeff Bellune CommunityMVP

            emin3m33 wrote:

             

            Adobe pays no attention to that.

            That is incorrect. Every submission via the BR/FR form is read and analyzed.

             

            -Jeff

            • 4. Re: Some Serious Bugs in Multicam
              JSS1138 Community Member

              I do three camera weddings and stage events myself.  Never had any issues with Premiere Pro's multicam.

               

              I do sync them manually, though, not using PluralEyes.

              • 5. Re: Some Serious Bugs in Multicam
                rpestes Community Member

                You could fix this problem by keeping your camera on. Why shut it off durring a wedding?

                • 6. Re: Some Serious Bugs in Multicam
                  emin3m33 Community Member

                  are you serious? or are u a serious amatuer? I can list at least 25 reasons why. But I cant list one reason why adobe would lock my choice from choosing a camera.

                  • 7. Re: Some Serious Bugs in Multicam
                    JSS1138 Community Member

                    As a professional wedding videographer, I have to agree with the suggestion to leave the camera on.  Once you're rolling, just don't stop until the end of the event (or a tape/card change forces it).  This is the best, easiest work flow.

                     

                    As for Adobe fixing this problem, like I said, I've never had any real problems with Premiere Pro's multicam, so that makes me suspect there is no real bug here.

                    • 8. Re: Some Serious Bugs in Multicam
                      rpestes Community Member

                      The only reason to start and stop your camera is if you are not organized

                      enough to have a big enough memory card and power to allow it. I don't care

                      if you change posititions go to the bathroom or just have an attitude but

                      never stop your camera, it can run for two hours or more if needed. I would

                      be interested in hearing your 25 reasons. I shoot multicam every month,

                      sometimes several times and never have had to turn off a camera.

                      • 9. Re: Some Serious Bugs in Multicam
                        Bill Engeler Community Member

                        I'm sure an interesting discussion could be had on the many good or bad reasons to turn cameras on or off, but the OP is commenting on the odd behavior of the multicam window.  I can confirm it happens to me as well.  When a clip ends in one track, the selection swithches to the default camera, and you have to stop and restart the sequence to be able to edit again.  This is particularly annoying using footage from the XF300, where there is a new clip every 5 minutes and 13 seconds. (I have CS5).

                         

                        This behavior started in CS4, and continued in CS5.  I don't know about CS5.5.  It's not super-serious, but it is a pain, and denying it exists is not helpful.

                        • 10. Re: Some Serious Bugs in Multicam
                          JSS1138 Community Member

                          When a clip ends in one track, the selection swithches to the default camera

                           

                          Well duh!  That's not a bug.  You can't select a camera angle with no media in it.

                           

                          So you put the camera with continuous clips in the lowest tracks, and the camera where the operator turned the camera off in the higher tracks.  If you have a higher track selected when the media runs out, the behavior you see is normal.  Either switch before it runs out, or keep restarting your edit.  (See why we say never turn off the camera?)

                           

                          Spanned clips should not be an issue here for two reasons.  Either Premiere Pro will read it as a single clip, assuming you're handling the media properly.  Or you adjoin the two clips in the original sequence, so there are no gaps.

                          • 11. Re: Some Serious Bugs in Multicam
                            emin3m33 Community Member

                            Jim i think you fail to understand the issue. Thank you bill.

                            • 12. Re: Some Serious Bugs in Multicam
                              emin3m33 Community Member

                              I am not saying that I want to select the camera with no media playing! I am saying that whenever any camera shuts off, the screen locks and you cant choose ANY camera! so you have to restart everything. And what I was saying is if the default camera happens to be say camera 1, and camera 1 shuts off while camera 2 and camera 3 are still playing. So if it was recording camera 2, camera 1 shuts off, default automatically and stupidly chooses camera 1, Even if there is NO media on it!!! and not only that, but it disables your choice on other cameras! so do not tell me it's not a bug. I think you failed to understand the issue here. I believe not many people use this feature and adobe doesn't care for the issue, because it doesn't "sell". Need more explanation? You can easily try this yourself.

                              • 13. Re: Some Serious Bugs in Multicam
                                Jeff Bellune CommunityMVP

                                Have you tried setting up your multicam sequence by making sure your default camera has continuous media?  I think that's what Jim was getting at.

                                 

                                -Jeff

                                • 14. Re: Some Serious Bugs in Multicam
                                  JSS1138 Community Member

                                  I think you failed to understand the issue here.

                                   

                                  Possibly.  While I will still argue in favor of keeping the camera rolling for any multicamea edit, I have hired videographers who can't follow directions and turned their camera off anyway.  But in those situations, I always put that camera on a higher track.  Track one always has continuous media.

                                   

                                  And I've never had a problem.

                                  • 15. Re: Some Serious Bugs in Multicam
                                    Felix CL Community Member

                                    I am not having this issue. ever.

                                    and i even don't always have continuous video in the default track, i've just edited a concert shot with 4 cameras, all of them turned off sometimes due to various reasons, but no trouble to sync them, so i had holes in all 4 video tracks,

                                    i just went back to the project to try to reconstruct your "bug" and failed to get the multicam to stop.

                                    maybe you might try it without plural eyes?

                                    maybe you might try reading this?:  http://help.adobe.com/en_US/premierepro/cs/using/WSC29F4BF4-C2EA-4ad5-879E-778C2740A768.ht ml

                                     

                                     

                                    emin3m33 wrote:

                                     

                                    are you serious? or are u a serious amatuer? I can list at least 25 reasons why. But I cant list one reason why adobe would lock my choice from choosing a camera.

                                     

                                    and maybe you might think about being nice to people, you're expecting help from,

                                    so you might also want to try reading this:

                                    http://forums.adobe.com/thread/414764#

                                     

                                    good luck with your wedding edit and make sure to try Jim&Jeffs suggestion.

                                    • 16. Re: Some Serious Bugs in Multicam
                                      [r]Evolution Community Member

                                      In dealing with a similar issue I added a Render Tracks step to my workflow.

                                       

                                      After I sync my clips using PluralEyes, I then render out each track. (OMG - generation loss from multiple renders)

                                      I drop these full program length videos on tracks and multicam. (Cam 1, 2, 3)

                                      This leaves me with No Gaps or Stops in the footage. (Gaps are now Black Spaces)

                                       

                                      When I render out my Tracks after synching, I usually include the 'Good Audio' with all the renders.

                                      These renders are usually pretty quick.

                                       

                                      I just completed a 2Day (16Hr) / 3Cam Seminar like this and had No Problems what-so-ever.

                                       

                                      If anyone has a better Work-a-Round... please share!