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    XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?

    pvpcom20 Community Member

      Hi,

       

      every time I import XDCAM-Files from my PDW-F800 (1080i, XDCAM 422 High, 8 Mono Channels, 48 KHz, 24 Bits) the last 3 seconds in every clip have a looped audio. The duration of the loop is abourt 10 frames.

       

      The files are not corrupted with this loop, because if I play the same files in VLC Player, the audio at the end is correct. Must be a problem within the import.

       

      Can anyone reproduce this error? Is it a bug?

       

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        • 1. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
          Todd_Kopriva Adobe Employee

          What version of Premiere Pro? What OS?

          • 2. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
            pvpcom20 Community Member

            Oh sorry, i forgot:

             

            Windows 7 Ultimate 64

            Premiere Pro CS 5.5

            • 3. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
              pvpcom20 Community Member

              I tested this with GPU acceleration and without, same problem with looping.

              • 4. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                Roberio Oliveira Community Member

                  We are experiencing the same problem here. When played back in Sony XDCAM Viewer the files are fine, but when imported into Adobe Premiere, we get the audio looping bug, which is very serious for us. I would appreciate a quick answer for that as we are evaluating the upgrade for our workstations.

                  The new version fixes a lot of bugs we are experiencing in CS5 related to IMX format, but would be also undesirable to experiencing any bugs with XDCAM HD 422, as we are moving fast to this new format.

                 

                Roberio Oliveira

                Rede Bahia

                 

                Message was edited by: Roberio Oliveira (typo)

                • 5. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                  JSS1138 Community Member

                  Are you copying the entire BPAV folder over, or just the media clips?

                   

                  Are you using the Media Browser for Import?

                  • 6. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                    Roberio Oliveira Community Member

                    Hello Jim.

                     

                    It's not XDCAM EX, it's XDCAM HD 422 (media clips are inside the folder Clip).

                    We are copying just the media clips. By the way, we tested the same clip in CS5 and didn't have that problem, only in CS5.5 (tested in 3 workstations).

                    We are not using the Media Browser to import, but for testing purposed I tried to just reencode the file maintaining the format, using Adobe Media Encoder and at the end had the same problem with audio.

                    I appreciate very much your help.

                     

                    Message was edited by: Roberio Oliveira

                    • 7. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                      pvpcom20 Community Member

                      Unfortunately this is a serious bug in CS 5.5, that can't be solved by the user itself. We did a rollback to CS 5.0 on all our workstations here, because working with CS 5.5 and XDCAM HD 422 material is impossible at the time. Furthermore this bug is the next reason not to work in CS 5.5 as a professional currently.

                      • 8. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                        James R Barton Community Member

                        I also have this problem--the footage was copied to a media drive with all disc contents and imported thru Media Browser.

                        Footage shot on PDW-700.

                        • 9. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                          Roberio Oliveira Community Member

                          We work with PDW-700 here too. Unfortunately we still need to shoot in SD too, and CS5 just can't work with IMX. We had to give up on IMX and work with DVCAM until now, just to see that another huge problem emerged.

                          The worst thing about this all is that the Adobe support is awful. No official answer so far. When I saw that OP wrote the topic almost two month ago, and someone from Adobe staff just made a question but didn't return, I already felt it was not going to be easy to solve, if it could be solved at all. Adobe has worked hard on publicity to make us believe that the professional segments are moving toward them. I would like to see that effort to supporting us, to not make us feel as caught in a trap.

                          Still looking for forward to see some solution.

                          • 10. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                            JSS1138 Community Member
                            We are copying just the media clips.

                             

                            Oooh, don't do that.  Copy the entire top level folder.  PP really needs that extra info to work properly with solid state media.

                             

                            We are not using the Media Browser to import

                             

                            Oooh, definitely do that.  It helps PP take advantage of the extra info in the folders mentioned above.

                            • 11. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                              Todd_Kopriva Adobe Employee

                              We've reproduced the bug here and are working on a fix.

                               

                              I'm checking to see if there's any workaround.

                              • 12. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                                Roberio Oliveira Community Member

                                Jim, we tried that without result. Thank you anyway. Also, we didn't find any problem with CS5, so something changed in the audio conforming process in CS5.5.

                                 

                                Thanks for the heads up, Todd. We are looking forward to have a solution for that as soon as possible.  Meanwhile we are keeping some stations with CS5 to edit HD.

                                 

                                Today we also did some tests using IMX 40 format to see if there was any related problem, but everything was fine.

                                We already tested all those formats some weeks ago , but didn't find problems. That was because we're using clips encoded by another system (VSN Capturer), not shot directly from the camcorder. If we reencode those same problematic clips (shot in PDW-700) using a third program (Edius for example), Adobe Premiere can handle them properly. So, it's something deeper, related to encoding process. Hope those info can help.

                                 

                                Thanks for all the attention in this matter.

                                • 13. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                                  Todd_Kopriva Adobe Employee

                                  Thanks for the additional information. I added it to the bug record.

                                  • 14. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                                    pvpcom20 Community Member

                                    Hi Todd,

                                     

                                    is it possible to reproduce this bug? I already posted this as a bug with the official formular. Can you give me a status in the topic there?

                                     

                                    Thanks!

                                    • 15. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                                      JSS1138 Community Member

                                      Jim, we tried that without result.

                                       

                                      OK.

                                       

                                      Even though this issue wasn't resoled, it's a good idea to do things that way for all solid state media going forward, as other issue can arise if you don't.

                                      • 16. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                                        Roberio Oliveira Community Member

                                        Okay, Jim! I'll instruct our editing staff to do that, thanks!

                                        For now, we use mainly Sony PDZ-1 to manage media transfer from Pro Disc to the NLE. We don't have XDCAM EX yet.

                                        Thank you for the advice.

                                        • 17. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                                          Roberio Oliveira Community Member

                                          Hello Todd,

                                           

                                          Any news on that?

                                          Thanks!

                                          • 18. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                                            James R Barton Community Member

                                            Todd or anyone from Adobe--

                                             

                                            Has there been further action on this?--serious bug for me that needs resolving--Thanks--

                                            • 19. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                                              Roberio Oliveira Community Member

                                              Hello Todd,

                                               

                                              One month has past and so far we had no solution for this serious bug. And no answer at all.

                                              What's the Company's position to this matter? Should we just assume Adobe Premiere Pro CS5.5 is not compatible with Sony XDCAM HD 50 and move to Edius, or Media Composer maybe? Or the acclaimed legendary Apple Final Cut? Last time we had a bug in CS5 with IMX and DVCAM formats we had to wait until the fix came in a form of a paid upgrade, aka CS5.5. Then it fix the XDCAM SD formats and break the HD 4:2:2. We expect more. Please, if this is going to  be fixed only in CS6, let us know now, so we can move toward another direction. Make us wait that much is even more disrespectful than selling a product that does not do what it states.

                                               

                                              I'm sure you understand and I thank you for that.

                                               

                                              Best Regards,

                                               

                                              Roberio

                                              • 20. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                                                digitlman Community Member

                                                We have this exact same bug and it is a serious issue for us, Adobe really should make this a high priority bug fix, All of our XDCAM HD MXF files recorded from sat downlinks for our HD broadcast server have this audio loop at the end when imported into premiere.

                                                • 21. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                                                  Navarro Parker Community Member

                                                  I had the same thing with RED .r3d footage on PP and AE CS5 on the Mac. The problem seemed to have disappeared when we upgraded to CS5.5.

                                                   

                                                  Just letting you know that I share you pain. It drove me absolutely crazy for weeks until I begged my boss to upgrade to CS5.5. Until we did, we found a band-aid by exporting the footage from Redcine-X into Quicktime.

                                                  • 22. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                                                    James R Barton Community Member

                                                    ATTN ADOBE--

                                                     

                                                    WHAT IS THE FOLLOWUP WITH THIS ISSUE?  CAN WE EXPECT A FIX SOON OR IS THIS ON THE IGNORE LIST?

                                                    • 23. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                                                      Todd_Kopriva Adobe Employee

                                                      James and others,

                                                       

                                                      I said above that we're working on a fix.

                                                      • 24. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                                                        Roberio Oliveira Community Member

                                                        Hi Todd,

                                                         

                                                        Good to know that, but do you have an ETA?

                                                         

                                                        Thanks.

                                                         

                                                        Roberio

                                                        • 25. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                                                          Todd_Kopriva Adobe Employee

                                                          No. We don't tend to give details of what's coming in future releases---whether bug-fix updates or paid upgrades.

                                                          • 26. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                                                            Roberio Oliveira Community Member

                                                            I see. But, we are trying to not walk completely in the darkness. An ETA is not a precise date, by definition.

                                                            I understand if you can't give one, but, to be honest, it's frustating that you said you were working on it one month ago and so far we get nothing.

                                                            Unknowing how long we have to still wait, you must agree with us, is not too comfortable.

                                                            But okay, I'll just take your word. And it means a lot for me.

                                                             

                                                            Thanks again.

                                                             

                                                            Kind Regards,

                                                             

                                                            Roberio

                                                            • 27. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                                                              madmaxmovies

                                                              Does anyone have a resolution to this yet, or can anyone suggest a workaround?

                                                               

                                                              I've been given some XDCAM HD 422 footage to edit, and my current version of Premiere (CS4) doesn't import it. I've downloaded the CS5.5 trail and installed on another PC, and everything was fine until I discovered that I'm getting the same looped audio issue as above. It seems CS5 might not have this issue, is that still available for download somewhere (I do have the footage half edited in CS5.5, I guess I'll just have to wear re-editing that if necessary).

                                                               

                                                              Other than that, it occured to me if I could just extract the end of the audio from each clip, I could manually work around this - but how to do that? The footage plays fine in VLC, but I can't figure a way to capture the audio back out as WAV (or other). Sony's XDCAM browser lets me export the clips, but drops the audio after 30 sec. There are some lower quality files on the XDCAM discs I was given (I assume they're for quick browsing only), I CAN get the audio out of those, but the quality is quite poor compared to the master files (8000Hz compress mono, vs 48000Hz 24 bit).

                                                               

                                                              Very annoyed, and needless to say I now won't be purchasing the CS5.5 upgrade until this is fixed...

                                                              • 28. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                                                                madmaxmovies Community Member

                                                                For the benefit of anyone reading the thread, I managed a workaround to at least extract the audio.

                                                                 

                                                                Basically I installed VLC Media Player on one of my DVD burning machines, which is Windows XP, and has Nero installed. Under Windows XP audio settings, there is a Recording device called "Stereo Mix", which is basically the mixed output of everything else (note that I couldn't find anything equivalent under Windows 7). I fired up Nero wave editor, hit record on that device, and then played the last couple of minutes of each file in VLC. Note that the first post in the thread above (quoting "3 seconds" of bad audio) I believe is incorrect - I believe the length of bad audio is dependant on the length of the clip. 3 seconds I could have edited around, but some of the clips I was given were up to an hour, and the last couple of minutes of audio is screwed in Premiere.

                                                                 

                                                                Anyway, if anyone else is stuck, the above might at least get you access to the audio. It's not perfect, but it was close enough for me to work around this issue in Premiere and get my footage edited. Luckily this was a one off job for me right now, hopefully you full time XDCAM guys have better luck in getting a permanent fix for this.

                                                                • 29. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                                                                  pvpcom20 Community Member

                                                                  Inapprehensible for me. Month after month, update after update goes by and there is no single word about this major bug - or even worse, the deinterlace-bug in CS 5.5, there hasn't been any official response there for over half a year. After FCP, that decided to cancel pro-features and to get a consumer editing-software, now Premiere Pro seems to make the same step. I'm disappointed and sad.

                                                                  • 30. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                                                                    Roberio Oliveira Community Member

                                                                      I feel the same frustration.

                                                                      But we found a workaround to handle this bug, by using the MainConcept Codec Suite 5.1. Althought it has been released for CS5 and had no updates since then, it looks to be compatible with CS5.5, but already found some minor issues, so it's valid the warning about the importers: use with care.

                                                                      For Adobe it's really a shame, but seems they don't care that much. It has been fun to found workarounds for the many Adobe Premiere bugs for one and half a year, but now, if I had an option, I would go for another solution. Only for some undeserved respect I wont tell which ones are IMHO much better options.

                                                                      If you have a chance, try MainConcept to see if it also fix the deinterlace bug. I didnt experienced that one because we are a station television, so everything goes interlaced.

                                                                      Bugs I found when using MainConcept plug-in importers: DVCAM format resets the initial timecode to zero, ignoring the option on Adobe Premiere to use media source timecode. Because that we dont use DVCPRO importer. Another bug we found is that, when using the MXF importer, if you are editing IMX clips, frame hold wont work; although it seems to work in the sequence, if you export in IMX using the MC exporter it wont work. Also if you need to open an older CS5 project in CS5.5 the importer can mess with audio. For XDCAM HD 50 I didnt found issues.

                                                                      Sadly MainConcept is a very expensive plug-in about $900, but we already bought it to fix another bug in CS5 that prevents the the XDCAM SD formats to be copied to Pro Disc clip folder (they were not OP1a compliant).

                                                                      Hope it can helps.

                                                                    • 31. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                                                                      pvpcom20 Community Member

                                                                      Hi Roberio,

                                                                       

                                                                      good to hear, that we are not the only one suffering under these uncured bugs.

                                                                       

                                                                      I tried using the MainConcept Codec Suite 5.1 in CS 5.5, but when i click on "configure" in the Export-Tab, nothing happens. In CS 5 it works.
                                                                      Have you done something special when installing the Codec Suite 5.1?

                                                                       

                                                                      Thanks.

                                                                      • 32. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                                                                        Roberio Oliveira Community Member

                                                                        Hi pvpcom20,

                                                                         

                                                                        On a new installation, no special procedure is needed, but if you have (or had) CS5 installed on this same station, probably the Mainconcept files were copied to an existing CS5 folder. You may check if the Mainconcept folder was created here: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Common\Plug-ins\CS5.5\MediaCore\, instead of C:\Program Files\Adobe\Common\Plug-ins\CS5\MediaCore\.

                                                                         

                                                                        Kind Regards


                                                                        Roberio

                                                                        • 33. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                                                                          pvpcom20 Community Member

                                                                          Thank you Roberio, i copied the files from /CS5/ to /CS5.5/ - now it works. The Mainconcept MXF importer works fine, the audio-bug didn't appear again. Unfortunately the deinterlacing bug can't be avoided with Mainconcept. The Problem seems to be in the way Premiere Pro is transporting the data to the plug-in, because generally deinterlacing with Mainconcept is very good.

                                                                          • 34. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                                                                            MarceloRuiz

                                                                            Well, I solved the issue here using both CS5 and CS5.5. My problem was to export XMF files, HQ 420 and IMX 40 to DO (Sony U1) to send to Globo Brasília. The 5.5.5.2 version of CS5 solved the IMX bug. About HQ422 audio looping I don't import files from DO to computer... only exports from Premiere CS5 to send. But if CS5 works fine with HQ422 the way is to use it to edit and CS5.5 to export back to DO.

                                                                             

                                                                            Marcelo Ruiz

                                                                            • 35. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                                                                              advantagevideo101 Community Member

                                                                              Well for the amount of money we are spending on these software bundles, the least you could do is give us an ETA of when we may be able to resume our careers as editors.  I've had this problem numerous times and have managed to keep deleting and re-importing to different drives and it turns a 3 day project into 2 weeks.  Not only have I wasted money purchasing the software, I am losing clients, reputation and potential earnings because of this, and I don't even know if/when it will be fixed.  And by the time it is fixed, Adobe will release CS6 and I will have to shell out another thousand dollars.  This is absolutely unacceptable from a company that considers themselves competing frontrunners in the design business. 

                                                                              • 36. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                                                                                advantagevideo101 Community Member

                                                                                I only have the CS5.5 folder, but my mediacore folder is empty.  Any idea where I may find these files?

                                                                                • 37. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                                                                                  PeterCorbett Community Member

                                                                                  We just had 11 hours of footage come in for four TVC's and the damned audio on the VO takes is missing the last few seconds.   I too am getting a looping nonsensical sound on the end of XDCAMHD 422 clips.  How can I fix this?   We have air time next week.  I have a top Mac Pro with CS5.5.2.

                                                                                  • 38. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                                                                                    PeterCorbett Community Member

                                                                                    I've just researched this thread and I can't believe that this serious bug, and it is a serious bug, is still around after 18 months!   I mean really; what is going on?.   I had to install my unused copy of Avid Media Composer to import the XDCAMHD clips and export to a wav file.   I have to say the Avid 6.0 GUI is circa 1998.   What an oversell the "new-look" is.  But at least the files play, unlike Premiere.  Guys, this is hopeless.    Do we have to wait until 6.0 to fix this?   I really sorry but it's unacceptable.

                                                                                    • 39. Re: XDCAM HD 422 MXF looping Audiobug?
                                                                                      Roberio Oliveira Community Member

                                                                                      Adobe side, yes, pretty like hopeless, and still unacceptable. Altough Todd Kopriva has told us they are working on a fix... 7 months ago. Not blaming him, it's not his fault, of course.

                                                                                      At least we know they hear us, what does not mean they care at all. Marketing staff dictates the engineering efforts, and I'm pretty sure their market share is more representative among amateur and entry level productions. Maybe I am wrong, but that's the feeling I have, as I can't imagine such bug in products like Avid Media Composer or Grass Valley Edius, as they are mainly focused in professional customers.

                                                                                      They sell this product as being compatible with XDCAM format. I don't know about the US laws but in Brazil they would be easily issued by what we call Misleading Maketing (something like this).

                                                                                      The fix, if real, must be released in a few months with a price and a new name. But if need some workaroud right now, we can re-encode the clips using some other NLE, or use the MainConcept Codec Suite 5.1 as described here http://forums.adobe.com/message/4029074#4029074.

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