10 Replies Latest reply: Nov 17, 2011 2:16 AM by pauland RSS

    ACE Flex 4.5 and future of Flex

    miguel.martin

      First of all, sorry if this is not the proper place to post this question. Feel free to relocate if a better forum applies.

       

      The question: considering that Adobe is donating Flex technogy to the Apache Software Foundation, what's going to happen to ACE Flex certifications? Will Adobe continue to offer and support them?

      Is it safe to take the ACE Flex 4.5 certification exam?

       

      Thanks in advance.

        • 1. Re: ACE Flex 4.5 and future of Flex
          pauland Community Member

          I don't think taking the exam will endanger your health. If you want to take the exam, go ahead. I don't see why it's value will change as a result of the changes. What differrence will it make if Adobe drops it? Your exam will have as much value regardless.

           

          I went through a spate of doing these exams. Nobody ever asked me about them or for them. They all asked what I'd worked on though.

           

          Good luck.

          • 2. Re: ACE Flex 4.5 and future of Flex
            pauland Community Member

            Zhiqiang Liu wrote:

             

            Hi,

              I am on vacation from Dec 29 to 31 2008. During this period, if you have any emergency, please contact my manager Baogang Liu (41783).

             

            Thanks,

            Zhiqiang

             

            I think Zhiqiang has been abducted by Doctor Who..

            • 3. Re: ACE Flex 4.5 and future of Flex
              miguel.martin Community Member

              Thanks paulan for your answer (I'm spanish and sometimes I write almost literally in english, what I'm thinking in spanish: there you have that "is it safe" )

               

              The certification it's not a matter of personal interest, but the interest of my company. Some of our model lines it's about outsourcing and we consider that having some certificate professionals will give us a little more power while negotiating contracts.

               

              Anyways, I agree with what you said.

               

              PS: Waiting for another Zhiqiang Liu auto-reply!

              • 4. Re: ACE Flex 4.5 and future of Flex
                Gregory Lafrance Community Member

                I got Flex 2 and Flex 3 certified while I was working at Adobe. I was in the localization department but my project Photoshop Elements started using Flex, so I dove in and started learning it.

                 

                I figured certification would help, because I don't have a computer science degree (BA Japanese Literature and MBA).

                 

                Alas, I got laid off from Adobe in 2009. I was the on on the 12th floor in Adobe's San Jose west tower most into Flex, the technology Adobe was heralding at the time. But I rocked the boat once too often. When at Adobe, don't rock the boat too much. Just keep quiet for the most part and please your boss.

                 

                I now work as a Flex developer, and I think being certified helped just a little, by giving me minimal credibility. Having a great portfolio (which I don't have), and being able to talk about Flex from a technical perspective (certification helped me be able to do this) are more important.

                 

                About Flex 4.5 certification, don't waste your time. Learn HTML 5 / CSS 3 and build some simple apps for tablets. That's where the money will be.

                 

                Hey Adobe, turn off Zhiqiang Liu's auto-responder. It makes you look like cra*.

                • 5. Re: ACE Flex 4.5 and future of Flex
                  miguel.martin Community Member

                  Hey Gregory, thanks for your reply too. As I told pauland, the main reason to get the certification is to gain power in some situations where a certification (whichever it be: adobe, oracle, microsoft, etc) may help to tip the balance in favor of my company (outsourcing most of the times). It belongs to our company's strategy.

                   

                  I've beeing developing Flex apps for 4/5 years now (starting with Flex 2, Flex 3, Flex 4 and now Flex 4.5) and while studying for the certification could help to increase my knowledge, that's not the main reason.

                  • 6. Re: ACE Flex 4.5 and future of Flex
                    artguate Community Member

                    Miguel,

                     

                      The value of certifications depends on who you show them to..  While other developers will actually care more about what Gregory mentioned, proof and knowledge, manangment on the other hand relies on experts opinion. 

                     

                      See management will usually not understand 1/4 of what you say (they nod as if they do), and have no way to tell if you actually built anything you claim you did, nor how technically impresive it might be.  So to them, a certification means alot.  On the other hand a certification shown to me, means little, I rather ask questions and can easily tell if they are BSing me or not on the technical side.

                     

                      So it depends on who is your target.

                     

                      BTW. Flex is not dead, nor is Flash Builder.    Gregory is a bit bitter these days don't take him too seriously.  Being proficient in HTML5/js/css is a good thing, but far from being a replacement for Flex.

                    • 7. Re: ACE Flex 4.5 and future of Flex
                      miguel.martin Community Member

                      Thanks a lot @artguate, I completely agree with you: whatever you say in your resume (i.e. lots of certifications,) I'll ask you questions to determine that what you're telling is true. It's a matter of targets as you said.

                       

                      And, I already know that Flex techs are not dead. My questions is about what's gonna happen with Flex certifications, considering that future Flex releases (let's say Flex 4.7) will be managed by ASF, will Adobe continue to offer and support Flex certifications? There will be an Adobe ACE in Flex 4.7, Flex 5 exam? Or is Flex 4.5 their last ACE Flex?

                      • 8. Re: ACE Flex 4.5 and future of Flex
                        artguate Community Member

                        That is a good question.  I would assume that there is no reason why Adobe could not offer future certifications, but I certainly have no clue if they plan to do so.  That is something that Alex might be able to answer.

                         

                        However your original question was about 4.5 certification.  Adobe has been clear about supporting everything existing, including the existing FP 11 on mobile browser (just not continue adding versions).  So I honestly don't see any problem with taking a 4.5 certification exam.

                        • 9. Re: ACE Flex 4.5 and future of Flex
                          miguel.martin Community Member

                          You're right, my original question should be asked like the last one:

                          My questions is about what's gonna happen with Flex certifications, considering that future Flex releases (let's say Flex 4.7) will be managed by ASF, will Adobe continue to offer and support Flex certifications? There will be an Adobe ACE in Flex 4.7, Flex 5 exam? Or is Flex 4.5 their last ACE Flex?

                          • 10. Re: ACE Flex 4.5 and future of Flex
                            pauland Community Member

                            It really doesn't matter what happens with Flex certification in the future, or any other form of certification.

                             

                            The certification is a validation of what knowledge you have at the time of taking the exam. If Adobe discontinues the certification afterwards, it doesn't invalidate what your existing certification means. It makes absolutely no differrence to your qualification or how useful or not it my be.

                             

                            If you think the certification has value, take it. It will be no less valuable if it's the last flex certification offered by Adobe.