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    Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!

    SCAPsinger Community Member

      Some members of the Adobe CS team(Dennis Radeke and 2 others - sorry, forgot their names, but they were PPro/AME team people) were in attendance at the Atlanta Cutters meeting last night. You'll all be happy to know that they revealed quite a bit about the next version - CS6. Here's the quickie info on CS6, I've quoted as carefully as I can:

       

      - "It's coming in 2012"

      - "It's going to be amazing"

      - "It's pretty exciting"

       

       

      I hope they don't get fired for revealing all of that info. I'm sure you all are very excited, as I was last night, to be able to gain such an early look at the next generation of video editing.

       

       

       

      In all seriousness, they were very good at the one thing they were really there to do - convert FCP dissidents - and answered a few questions people had - again, mostly about migrating from FCP. Quite nice to hear my FCP friends talking afterward about how it's a done deal, Adobe is the here-and-now. All this in spite of the fact that Media Composer 6 is basically here now as well.

       

      Sorry to get everybody all excited with the thread title...I really couldn't help myself. It was refreshing, though, to see not 1, not 2, but 3 reps from Adobe at a relatively small user group meeting in Atlanta (150 attendees, more or less) and this is after they've already been out here once this year. Says a lot about the development of the production community here in Atlanta for the last few years, but also says a lot about Adobe's committment to listening to their customers and working constantly to solve problems and develop new solutions that fit our various workflows. I still remember the old days where Premiere Pro was seemingly an unsupported piece of Adobe refuse, meant simply to fill a gap and keep people working with AE. Those days are as long-gone as they can be now, and the good times are rolling on.

        • 1. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
          Roberio Oliveira Community Member

          To be honest, I just want they fix the current bugs. Anything else is extra.

          AND to show some respect, they should do it for free.

          • 2. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
            John T Smith MVP

            If you have bugs, report them here https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

             

            Updates within a number version ARE free... the CS5 I have is up to 5.0.3 (5.0.4 for Mac)

            • 3. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
              Roberio Oliveira Community Member

              Thank you for the hint but I already did it. If you can, please track back this post and you will understand.

              http://adobe.hosted.jivesoftware.com/message/3895074

              Also this forum is not my only form of contact with Adobe, as we met with them at NAB. They are very aware of the problems, I can asure you.

              Unfortunately not all bugs are fixed within the version. CS4 had its bugs, they fixed some only in CS5; CS5 had its bugs, they fixed some only in CS5.5; CS5.5 has its bugs; this one probably will only be fixed in CS6. http://forums.adobe.com/message/3942834#3942834

              I guess they wont offer that fix for for free.

              • 4. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                SCAPsinger Community Member

                Adobe guys do try to fix bugs, very very hard. You know, with the way they're planning on doing the licensing going forward, it will make bug fixes a much higher priority since you won't have product sales cycles the way you do now. Until then, limited resources (time and money) mean that a company has to pick and choose what to do and when. Some bugs affect everyone, and prevent work from being done, so those kinds of things obviously get top priority. Other things are more like preferences...shortcut keys, menu placement, feature requests, etc. Those kinds of things get the lowest priority. In between are a dozen different kinds of things that affect the way one person works and not another, or affect one type of hardware and not another. If a bug affects a large number of people and enough folks make Adobe aware of the problem (through the bug reports) then I promise, they want to fix it, and they will try to fix it. It helps everybody.

                 

                I don't know about your specific issues and I don't have the time to check your links (and I don't work for Adobe anyway, so it probably doesn't matter what I "think" at all) but I know there are occasionally complaints that somebody has a piece of hardware that doesn't work with Adobe software and Adobe is charged with fixing what basically amounts to a manufacturer's buggy firmware or something else out of Adobe's control. In those instances, what can you really expect Adobe to do beyond working WITH the manufacturer to find a solution?

                 

                Don't know if that's your issue or not, just giving an example of a common complaint that is usually justified as an Adobe "bug" when it really is something Adobe cannot fix in the first place.

                 

                Anyway...a lot of the stuff that you say you don't want (the "new features" kind of stuff, as opposed to bug fixes) are the kinds of things that the other people around here like myself can't wait for. Adobe has brought a lot of conveniences to my editing over the years, with the first major one being Dynamic Link (cue the choir of angels). And there have been missteps (PPro CS3) but for the most part, they do work hard and I appreciate each new thing they bring to the table. I'm never angry about any new version of the suite that I've purchased (except maybe CS3, but it wasn't ALL bad....just, not that great, and I wasn't so much angry as just completely underwhelmed).

                 

                Good luck with your issues. Over 6 months til CS6, so plenty of time for Adobe to hopefully patch up whatever problems you are having.

                • 5. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                  Roberio Oliveira Community Member

                  Hi Christian,

                  Thank you for the heads up. Somehow I feel some comfort. Those issues, the system unstability, the editors complaints, the boss pressure... it's driving me mad.

                  I really hope they can get better in CS6. But now they want me to test MC6...

                  • 6. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                    wonderspark Community Member

                    This is great! I'm looking forward to improvements focued on Mac users, similar to the focus that nVidia card users got with Mercury.

                     

                    I've used every version since Premiere 4.2 in 1995 to CS5, having only skipped CS4 in all those versions. I'd like CS5.5, but really, I only want Audition back. (I had both Mac and PC versions throughout the years, and I loved Cool Edit Pro before it became Audition.) It just doesn't seem worth it to spend that much to get Audition, so I'm thrilled to think CS6 will have some sort of GPU acceleration for ATI cards, Audition for Mac, and whatever other new wizardry they can come up with. (:

                    • 7. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                      the_wine_snob Community Member

                      Audition is now ported for the Mac, with Audition CS 5.5.

                       

                      Good luck,

                       

                      Hunt

                      • 8. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                        wonderspark Community Member

                        Yeah, but I'm on a Mac, and Audition for Mac isn't complete...

                        (Gimme some cheese with this whine!)

                        I'm hoping CS6 will have a complete version of Audition (like Windows users have), SpeedGrade and some improvements to maybe Mocha and Warp Stabilizer. Yum!

                        For now, all I get with 5.5 is a watered down Audition and Warp Stabilizer. For now, I use Mocha and my PC with the older version of Audition. (Crowded desktop!)

                        • 9. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                          J. Simon Community Member

                          Out of curiosity, what's incomplete about Audition for Macs?

                          • 10. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                            wonderspark Community Member

                            Some of the missing features are tone/noise generation and pitch correction, both of which I used all the time... some filters, graphic phase shifter, and revert to original file. There's other stuff that I didn't use, but it would appear it doesn't matter, because they aren't there anyway. I really was annoyed (though I've gotten over it) at the lameness of Soundbooth being watered down to consumer level. It took a while to figure out what all the silly names of effects meant as opposed to the proper names they had in Audition. I felt like they took away my big boy undies and gave me diapers again. Then, we had the Audition for Mac beta, and I was allowed to wear my big boy panties on weekends, because it was better than Soundbooth... but not ready for full use yet.

                             

                            So, when they "finish" porting Audition for Mac, it will be worth buying/upgrading. In the meantime, that's the main reason I keep my old PC alive, since it has a full version of Audition on it from long ago. It will be a glorious day when Macs are fully included in the party at Adobe again. Right now, it's like we have a separate punch bowl with only punch in it, whereas Windows users get the punchbowl that's been spiked with the good stuff.

                             

                            I understand it takes time to work these things out, and it's obvious that there's more marketshare in Windows to justfiy the partitioning of attention given to that marketshare.

                            • 11. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                              J. Simon Community Member

                              whereas Windows users get the punchbowl that's been spiked with the good stuff.

                               

                              Yeah, baby!

                              • 12. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                                minhnghia04484 Community Member

                                whereas Windows users get the punchbowl that's been spiked with the good stuff.

                                • 13. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                                  minhnghia04484 Community Member

                                  whereas Windows users get the punchbowl that's been spiked with the good stuff.

                                  • 14. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                                    Steve HomeMovies.Ca Community Member

                                    boy do I ever agree with YOU.

                                     

                                    Matrox H264 files worked with Encore 5.0

                                     

                                    they do NOT work with Encore 5.1

                                     

                                    but - THEY WON'T LET ME HAVE ENCORE 5.0 !!!!!!

                                     

                                    I've been waiting more than 6 months and they haven't fixed the bug yet.

                                     

                                    I demand they FIX IT - FAST - AND NOT CHARGE ME MORE TO GET THE FIX.

                                    • 15. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                                      s_surfer

                                      Christian Jolly wrote:

                                       

                                      Adobe guys do try to fix bugs, very very hard. You know, with the way they're planning on doing the licensing going forward, it will make bug fixes a much higher priority...make Adobe aware of the problem (through the bug reports) then I promise, they want to fix it, and they will try to fix it.

                                       

                                      ...and I don't work for Adobe anyway.

                                       

                                       

                                      Since you don't work for Adobe, how do you know any of this? Are Adobe employees sharing confidential information with you?

                                       

                                      So you are suggesting bug fixes is currently not a high priority for them (they can't be a high priority if a change is going to make it a much higher priority). Their model might be simply be fix any major show stopping bugs, or bugs reported by their biggest clients, and any other bugs gets ignored or left to the next major release.  In the 18 (or so) months between CS4 and CS5 I believe both Illustrator and Dreamweaver did not get a single bug fix. Does that mean no one reported ANY non-trivial bugs or they decided to focus on the next release instead.

                                      • 16. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                                        the_wine_snob Community Member

                                        Welcome to the forum.

                                         

                                        Bug fixes ARE a very high priority. This is no secret, and I can state that with conviction, and knowledge - no confidences compromised. That said, I am not sure how Christian came to the conclusion that it would be a larger priority, but cannot argue with that assertion. He might well have spent an evening drinking (not that any Adobe employee would drink), during one of the trade shows, and just gleaned that info from discussion over a glass of wine?

                                         

                                        Hunt

                                        • 17. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                                          minhnghia04484 Community Member

                                          Thank you

                                          • 18. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                                            wonderspark Community Member

                                            Not sure when this went live on the Adobe site, but it raised my pulse in a good way!

                                            • 19. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                                              Howard Hoffman

                                              I just want my bug fix and I don't want to pay for it.

                                               

                                              http://forums.adobe.com/message/4118773

                                              • 20. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                                                J. Simon Community Member

                                                Here's the part I noticed.

                                                 

                                                "coming in the first half of 2012"

                                                • 21. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                                                  entremaneur

                                                  I wanted so bad to read this thread and get excited the way I used to about Adobe product launches. But not today. You Adobe folks just don't get it. FIXING THE DISASTEROUS BUGS that your products have ought to be the no-doubt-number-one-and-there-is-no-question-about-it priority. I con't give a crap about a bunch of new buggy features added to an already buggy product when I feel like I got ripped off with the last upgrade. Seriously, how can you guys sleep?

                                                   

                                                  I've submitted many, many bug reports to Adobe over the past year or two - in particular pertaining to the very well known constant crashes and memories leaks in both Dreamweaver and Fireworks - and not only has Adobe not made any progress in improving the reliability of these products, but they have the audacity to release competitive products and offer pseudo-upgrades like "FIREWORKS CS5.1" in the CS5.5 package, and WITHOUT even fixing the problems Fireworks had OR adding ANY new features,  AND YET they ask us to pay for the upgrade?!?!? Seriously, WTF? My wife an I are both UI developers and we use different computers, different make/model, different preferences, software and setups, and I can't count how ofter we look at each other and say "Dreamweaver just crashed again lol". It's disgusting. I'm not alone in this opinion by a long shot.

                                                   

                                                  But the worst part of all is the insulting replies or dismissive comments from Adobe employees suggesting that all of us "obviously-edge-case" users sumit bug reports when the things we're complaining about are extremely well known, described and discussed, happen extremely often during routine use of Adobe products, and are in all other ways extremely typical-of-adobe-products bugs.

                                                   

                                                  I'm a big supporter of submitting bug reports  crashes and wierd UI behaviors. But I'm not a beta tester, I paid like $2500 for this crap. And the bugs aren't rare, and they are can't be described within the context of a specific action or operation. Rather we are being asked to submit bug reports for things like "Dreamweaver crashes while I'm eating lunch and I'm not at my computer", literally, or "Dreamweaver crashes when I'm typing" - again, literally, or "Dreamweaver crashes when it's launching" or "Dreamweaver crashes when I do a save". It's just infuriatingly patronizing. Adobe employees know full well that their products crash hella-often, and they know full well that we're pissed about it. How about you apologize AND fix the problems, and then start trying to con us into your next updgrade. Maybe I don't get it, but it seems like common sense to fix the problems first. Once that's out of the way we would be happy to focus on submitting feature requests and supporting Adobe's rabid launching of canaballistic products that alienate current ripped-off customers.

                                                  • 22. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                                                    J. Simon Community Member

                                                    Nice rant.

                                                    • 23. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                                                      the_wine_snob Community Member

                                                      I seem to recall another, saying some of the same things, though seldom as a rant - "... fix all problems/Bugs, and make the programs wonderfully stable... leave some of the 'golly gee whiz' stuff for later, and do not bother trying to support every possible format, that one might encounter... " Something like that, and I share those sentiments.

                                                       

                                                      Native 3D editing, support for MKV et al, Importing DivX, working with Nokia phone-cams, and the rest, can wait until every true Bug has been fixed, and the programs are totally stable.

                                                       

                                                      Just thinking,

                                                       

                                                      Hunt

                                                      • 24. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                                                        John T Smith MVP

                                                        This is NOT a direct indication that CS6 is "about" to be released... but an oddity

                                                         

                                                        Before I am officially retired (end of 1-31-12) I went to the site my University uses for staff/student purchases, to see if there was something I just "had to have" before I lost my discount

                                                         

                                                        When I went to the Adobe section of the store... it said there were no products... which could mean they sold everything and are waiting for a new order from Adobe... or could mean they are waiting for CS6

                                                         

                                                        Like I said, not an announcement from Adobe, but odd that a sales site used by several Universities would be completely out of product

                                                         

                                                        http://e5.onthehub.com/WebStore/ProductsByMajorVersionList.aspx?cmi_mnuMain_child=34109b7e -b838-dd11-abb7-0030485a6b08&cmi_mnuMain=4f061143-091b-de11-9c12-0030485a8df0&ws=bc66e4b5- 4af4-dc11-89b0-0030485a6b08

                                                        • 25. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                                                          ilearnedmylesson

                                                          having given up with endless bugs in Adobe software back in the days of CS3, I stumble across this thread (and similar)  only to find that nothing has changed.

                                                           

                                                          Software still riddled with bugs, Adobe attempting to marginalise proficient users into believing they are the only ones to experience such problems.

                                                          Puts into context Apple's (and soon Microsofts?) rejection of flash.

                                                           

                                                          I have no agenda here, however I am many $thousands better off than if I had loyally followed the upgrade path.

                                                          I just feel sorry for the poor sods that dutfully part with hard earned $ for buggy software from a company that doesnt respect its users.

                                                           

                                                          Adobe - get with it or face oblivion

                                                           

                                                          A relevant motto:

                                                           

                                                          "Dont do a job unless you can do it right"

                                                          • 26. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                                                            J. Simon Community Member

                                                            While I very much agree with your motto, I also find myself nicely earning a living using Adobe software.  It behaves quite well for my needs on my system.

                                                            • 27. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                                                              John T Smith MVP

                                                              I used to use CS3, with DV AVI video, and the ONLY problem I ever had was having to wait overnight for Encore to transcode to DVD due to a "not blazing fast" computer

                                                               

                                                              I now use CS5 with AVCHD and a much faster computer, and I have ZERO problems

                                                               

                                                              But... both computers were/are set up to DO video editing... having the correct hardware is a big part of success with Premiere Pro and Encore

                                                              • 28. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                                                                ilearnedmylesson Community Member

                                                                Hey - dont get me wrong - no doubt there are many that do indeed make a good living from Adobe software and there will be some that encounter more bugs than others.

                                                                 

                                                                From my perspective I used CS3 pretty extensively a few years back and got fed up with seemingly never ending bugs (on very good hardware) so bailed out at the prospect of massive $$ to upgrade for a new set of problems..

                                                                 

                                                                I was considering coming backto the fold but this and other threads and the industry move away from flash all paint a picture of Adobe struggling to get on top of their issues and most partiuclarly respect for their users.

                                                                 

                                                                I realise this is the view of one developer in a big crowd, however it is shared by others I know and ultimately is to the detriment of Adobe.

                                                                 

                                                                I may still get a copy of CS6 when it is launched but unless Adobe have changed their ways, then no way will this become the core of my work again.

                                                                • 30. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                                                                  wilkan

                                                                  Can Adobe give us an automated bullet list in Illustrator CS6? Or can they...

                                                                  • 31. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                                                                    wilkan Community Member

                                                                    1. Saving smaller file size

                                                                    2. Inbuilt Barcode plug-in

                                                                    3. Improved rasterization of objects (like corel's)

                                                                    4. Improved export capability (no more of this message "the combination of artwork size and resolution exceeds the maximum that can be rasterized")

                                                                    • 33. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                                                                      ProDesignTools ACP/MVPs

                                                                      John T Smith wrote:

                                                                       

                                                                      When I went to the Adobe section of the store... it said there were no products... which could mean they sold everything and are waiting for a new order from Adobe... or could mean they are waiting for CS6

                                                                       

                                                                      Like I said, not an announcement from Adobe, but odd that a sales site used by several Universities would be completely out of product

                                                                       

                                                                       

                                                                      Hey there John - that is a bit odd, but it sounds like the first explanation (waiting for order restock) because it's likely the CS6 release is still a ways out

                                                                       

                                                                      Congrats on your retirement today!

                                                                       

                                                                      (BTW, Adobe now considers documents dated within the past six months "current," so you may still be able to get that education discount down the road.)

                                                                      • 34. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                                                                        the_wine_snob Community Member

                                                                        As always, thank you for your attempts to help us all stay current!

                                                                         

                                                                        @ John T, GREAT!!!!!!!!

                                                                         

                                                                        Hunt

                                                                        • 35. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                                                                          Prizm4 Community Member

                                                                          If they just optimized the speed of the interface and nothing else, I would be very happy. Look at Vegas, Magix, and others - working with the timeline, moving clips around, zooming in and out, it's so FAST. Premiere Pro just coughs and lags.  I'd love to see PP switch to non-destructive clip movements as well - like in Vegas and Magix how you can overlap clips at will, creating an automatic crossfade. 

                                                                          • 36. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                                                                            waterbilge

                                                                            I'm old enough to remember when Adobe did actually address version bugs (instead of compartmentalize their existence).  Long time, and more-recently reluctant, loyal customer.  Probably no longer though.  Kinda had it with them.  Otherwise I'm all fired up to see CS6.  Thanks for the info. 

                                                                            • 37. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                                                                              John T Smith MVP

                                                                              >Illustrator CS6

                                                                               

                                                                              Since this general discussion lounge is in the Premiere video editing area, you might want to talk about Illustrator in the Illustrator forum

                                                                               

                                                                              How to Select a Forum http://forums.adobe.com/docs/DOC-1015

                                                                              • 38. Re: Adobe CS6 - Breaking News!
                                                                                Goomi Community Member

                                                                                I couldn't help but add my own rant... -)

                                                                                I also have been using Adobe products since the mid 90th. They always were in the for-front for desktop publishing software, color management and typography. They lost control once they started the CS dynasty and started caring more for their stockholders then their core customers.

                                                                                 

                                                                                So, Adobe, farewell to you. It’s been a rollercoaster ride but I got to the exit platform and going on new rides. Less bumpy I hope and cheaper to enter.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Maybe see you again in CS XII… 

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