23 Replies Latest reply: Nov 22, 2011 1:29 PM by nefl777 RSS

    slideshow is sized wrong after import as asset. need help

    nefl777 Community Member

      Hi all, I have a strange thing happening with a project. I have PPO 5.0.  My project settings are HDV and my computer is:

       

      Platform: iMac 2.66 GHz intel core i5, 8gb memory. OS: 10.6.6

       

      I have about 2 hrs of footage that's fine. I wanted to add a Quicktime slideshow (.mov) as the last chapter. I imported the slideshow as an asset, then dragged it to the timeline.  in the viewer it is now letterbox size when it should be widescreen!

       

      Previewing it with Quicktime shows it displayed as widescreen just fine.

       

      The properties of the .mov file are:

       

      dimensions:  720 x 486

      codecs:         H.264 high efficiency AAC

      color profile:  SD 6-1-6

      duration:  11:35

      audio channels: 2

      total bit rate: 1,934

      On my timeline, the viewer settings are "fit" normally.  when it comes to the section where the .mov file is, it is still "fit" but the screen is now very small.
      ON THE TIMELINE if I click on the clip, Properties are:

      File Path: /Users/n.../Documents/Adobe_mywork/Disc2/myslide.mov

      Type: MPEG Movie

      File Size: 161.1 MB

      Image Size: 720 x 486

      Pixel Depth: 32

      Frame Rate: 29.97

      Source Audio Format: 48000 Hz - compressed - Stereo

      Project Audio Format: 48000 Hz - 32 bit floating point - Stereo

      Total Duration: 00;11;35;14

      Average Data Rate: 237 KB / second

      Pixel Aspect Ratio: 0.9091

      Why does it display as letterbox ?
      I need this thing to be widescreen just like the other footage. please help !
      thanks so much!
      NEF

        • 1. Re: slideshow is sized wrong after import as asset. need help
          joe bloe premiere Community Member
          The properties of the .mov file are:

           

          Image Size: 720 x 486

          Pixel Aspect Ratio: 0.9091

           

          Sorry, this is SD 4x3, not widescreen.

          • 2. Re: slideshow is sized wrong after import as asset. need help
            nefl777 Community Member

            hi and thanks for a quick reply. I also was unsure what the dimensions of landscape and letterbox are so I poked around on files that I've had for a while that all display as landscape and their dimensions are  720x486.  using quicktime they display as landscape.  when I put them to Youtube or Vimeo they are all landscape.

             

            why, when I use quicktime to view this file, does it appear landscape ?  but not inside Premier.

             

            need others expertise !  thanks !

            • 3. Re: slideshow is sized wrong after import as asset. need help
              joe bloe premiere Community Member

              need others expertise !  thanks !

              Okie-dokie.

               

              • 4. Re: slideshow is sized wrong after import as asset. need help
                the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                I believe that you might be missing a point, or two.

                 

                Obviously, you have a PAL Project for that SlideShow - well maybe? The pixel x pixel dimensions will be 720 x 576 for SD (Standard Def). What sets the displays apart is the PAR (Pixel Aspect Ratio), as your file likely uses non-square pixels. The PAR will determine whether you have a Widescreen 16:9 file, or a Standard 4:3 file. For Widescreen, the PAR should be 1.422 and for Standard, it will be 1.066. Now, you have the NTSC PAR for a Standard 4:3 file, with the PAR of 0.91. Something is not quite right there, as it appears that you have PAL pixel x pixel (Aspect Ratio), but then NTSC PAR. Exactely how did you create that SlideShow?.

                 

                For Video, you will always have landscape in the AV file (the few exceptions are too rare to consider), but whether you have Standard 4:3, or Widescreen 16:9 landscape will depend on the PAR of the file.

                 

                Then, if you bring in an SD Asset to a HD Project/Sequence, one has several choices on how to either fill the Frame, or leave Letterboxing (black bars top and bottom), or Pillarboxing (black bars on the side), or black bars all around.

                 

                A bit more detail on that Slideshow might explain why some things to not add up.

                 

                Good luck,

                 

                Hunt

                • 5. Re: slideshow is sized wrong after import as asset. need help
                  nefl777 Community Member

                  Bill, thanks for your input on this. I got the .mov file from another person who created it. She is super non-technical. She used iMovie to make the slideshow and I instructed her in email to create the .mov file for me.  I did give her dimensions. I went back to my email to find my exact instructions and I can't find them. I even looked in trash. I have a feeling she might have clicked on something wrong during the export.

                   

                  The stumbling block is - why does Quicktime display it just fine and displays it 16:9 ? 

                   

                  and, is there any possible way I can force PPO to display it 16:9 ?  I have a feeling you would have already told me that by now if that were available.

                   

                  ?

                   

                  thanks !

                  • 6. Re: slideshow is sized wrong after import as asset. need help
                    nefl777 Community Member

                    Do you think this is a bug in PPO ?

                     

                    DVDs are released as 720x480 and scaled from there. Now that I really think about it,

                     

                    Isn't   640x480  a normal 4:3 resolution ?

                     

                    There has got to be somebody out there who has imported a .mov file to a HDV project, yes ?

                     

                    NEF

                    • 7. Re: slideshow is sized wrong after import as asset. need help
                      the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                      I did give her dimensions.

                       

                      Just a guess here, but I'd say that some things got "lost in translation." It appears that there are some oddly mixed specs.

                       

                      The stumbling block is - why does Quicktime display it just fine and displays it 16:9 ?

                       

                      Video player programs are not the best test, as some adapt for the display. That is why knowing the specs. and attributes is so very important.

                       

                      Good luck,

                       

                      Hunt

                      • 8. Re: slideshow is sized wrong after import as asset. need help
                        the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                        Do you think this is a bug in PPO ?

                         

                        At this point, no. I think that PrPro is doing, basically what it is being told to do.

                         

                        DVDs are released as 720x480 and scaled from there. Now that I really think about it,

                         

                        In NTSC-land, they are released in 720 x 480, and either as Standard 4:3 (PAR = 0.91), or Widescreen 16:9 (PAR = 1.21). It is different in PAL-land.

                         

                        Now, how a DVD/BD player, plus an HD TV displays the SD (Standard Def) DVD, is a matter or settings, and possibly in each piece of equipment.

                         

                        Isn't   640x480  a normal 4:3 resolution ?

                         

                        For square pixels only, yes. For non-square pixels, it's 720 x 480, and with a non-square pixel PAR to accommodate 4:3, or 16:9.

                         

                        There has got to be somebody out there who has imported a .mov file to a HDV project, yes ?

                         

                        It is not "a MOV," but YOUR MOV. That is the issue.

                         

                        Good luck,

                         

                        Hunt

                        • 9. Re: slideshow is sized wrong after import as asset. need help
                          the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                          is there any possible way I can force PPO to display it 16:9 ?  I have a feeling you would have already told me that by now if that were available.

                           

                          One can Rt-Click on the Clip (your MOV file) in the Project Panel, and choose Interpret Footage, forcing PrPro to see it, as you think that it should be. This is useful, if PrPro misses some flag in a file. In this case, I do not think that any flag was missed, but that the settings/attributes do not match what you think they should.

                           

                          Good luck, and see if Interpret Footage helps things.

                           

                          Hunt

                          • 10. Re: slideshow is sized wrong after import as asset. need help
                            nefl777 Community Member

                            Hi Bill, your advice was right on!

                             

                            I again ran into importing a .mov file which I created widescreen and it came in letterbox by default. I used

                             

                            Clip / Modify / Interpret footage    and picked the setting "NTSC widescreen 16:9"

                             

                            problem solved!! thanks for everyone's input on this.

                             

                            NEF

                             

                             

                            • 11. Re: slideshow is sized wrong after import as asset. need help
                              John T Smith CommunityMVP

                              >have PPO 5.0

                               

                              Is there any particular reason you have not updated?

                               

                              I think the Mac version is now up to 5.0.4 but go check

                               

                              All Adobe updates start here and select product, install in number order, updates are not cumulative http://www.adobe.com/downloads/updates/

                              • 12. Re: slideshow is sized wrong after import as asset. need help
                                nefl777 Community Member

                                I've been trying to finish projects before upgrading anything. I find that is the safest way to go.

                                 

                                I will, tho!

                                • 13. Re: slideshow is sized wrong after import as asset. need help
                                  the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                                  I've been trying to finish projects before upgrading anything.

                                   

                                  I certainly understand that thought, and with upgrades is a suggestion that many of us make often.

                                   

                                  With updates (not upgrades), there are often some very useful "fixes" thrown in, and some of those can be very, very useful. However, and in deference to your stated sentiments, there can be new, well "problems" introduced by accident, in the release of the updates. I cannot recall the exact order of updates, and also what each contained that could affect a Mac, but doing some sort of "System Restore Point" (a PC term, but Mac's must have similar), prior to applying an update is usually a good and safe bet, just in case the update introduces some problem. Rolling back is sometimes required.

                                   

                                  Adobe usually does "cumulative" updates, and almost always for Premiere, so one has but to install that latest (unless problems with that, or a preceeding update is reported).

                                   

                                  As there are many Mac-users here now, maybe they will comment on how well the PrPro updates perform on the Mac. Also, Todd is very fluent in both PC's and Mac's, and can probably tell you exactly what the updates will do for you, and offer any caveats on updating.

                                   

                                  Good luck, and I hope that all Projects go smoothly,

                                   

                                  Hunt

                                  • 14. Re: slideshow is sized wrong after import as asset. need help
                                    John T Smith CommunityMVP

                                    >Adobe usually does "cumulative" updates

                                     

                                    Hmm... I may need to change my saved note... I know that in the past updates HAD to be installed one after the other, but that may be different now

                                    • 15. Re: slideshow is sized wrong after import as asset. need help
                                      the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                                      John T.,

                                       

                                      Here I go trying to rely on my memory, and we both know what that usually gets me, but most recent PrPro updates, as I recall, have been cumulative. I will try to find Todd's comments on those for PrPro CS 5, as I think that he confirmed the cumulative aspect for all of those. If I am wrong, it will be ME, who needs to change things.

                                       

                                      Thanks,

                                       

                                      Hunt

                                      • 16. Re: slideshow is sized wrong after import as asset. need help
                                        Todd_Kopriva Adobe Employee

                                        Yes, updates are cumulative. If, for example, you have 5.0.0, then you can just install the 5.0.4 update and get all of the fixes in 5.0.1, 5.0.2, and 5.0.3 in the same package.

                                         

                                        The best way to update is to just choose Help > Updates and let the system take care of it for you.

                                         

                                        I understand the tendency to not update mid-project, but in the case of the updates to Premiere Pro CS5 (on Mac OS especially), the updates fix such major bugs that not updating immediately is unwise. Just look at the first bullet point in the release notes for the 5.0.2 update: "Various crashing issues fixed."  There's a lot packed into that phrase.

                                        • 17. Re: slideshow is sized wrong after import as asset. need help
                                          the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                                          Todd,

                                           

                                          Thank you for that clarification. That was what I remembered from other threads.

                                           

                                          Appreciated,

                                           

                                          Hunt

                                          • 18. Re: slideshow is sized wrong after import as asset. need help
                                            nefl777 Community Member

                                            Hello again, need a bit more help on this very same subject. I have another slideshow (.mov file) I imported. I executed the "interpret footage cmd" successfully as it imported as a letterbox when I wanted it NTSC 16:9. 

                                             

                                            However, my problem now is it is sized right but surrounded by black on the screen. How can I get it to fill the screen like it should ?  screenshot:

                                             

                                            Screen shot 2011-11-22 at 10.26.35 AM.png

                                             

                                            thanks so much!!

                                            • 19. Re: slideshow is sized wrong after import as asset. need help
                                              Todd_Kopriva Adobe Employee

                                              Your footage and your sequence don't match. Either scale the footage up to fill the sequence or use a smaller sequence that matches the footage.

                                               

                                              FAQ: How do I choose the right sequence settings?

                                              • 20. Re: slideshow is sized wrong after import as asset. need help
                                                nefl777 Community Member

                                                Todd, thanks so much for taking the time to answer. I had a feeling my settings weren't correct.

                                                 

                                                I went back and exported (I'm using iMovie) using larger settings and now the clip appears framed ok. here are the settings I used:

                                                 

                                                Screen shot 2011-11-22 at 11.32.47 AM.png

                                                 

                                                however, while playing it is pixellated. It also has something I've never seen before. Above the timeline, there is a YELLOW line.  I've seen red lines (meaning some rendering is required) but I've never seen a yellow line.  what is that telling me ?  and, which setting do you think is causing the pixellation - or do I have to render that first to eliminate the pixellating? (i havent done that yet).  by the way, my PPO project is  HDV 1080i30 (60i).

                                                 

                                                 

                                                thanks again!

                                                • 21. Re: slideshow is sized wrong after import as asset. need help
                                                  Todd_Kopriva Adobe Employee

                                                  however, while playing it is pixellated.

                                                   

                                                  If you scaled an image up from SD to HD as you did, you will see some pixelation, especially if you did it with a poor scaling algorithm. Scaling in Premiere Pro is better than scaling in iMovie.

                                                   

                                                  It also has something I've never seen before. Above the timeline, there is a YELLOW line.  I've seen red lines (meaning some rendering is required) but I've never seen a yellow line.  what is that telling me ?

                                                  See this:

                                                  FAQ: Why do I have a red or yellow bar over my sequence, and how do I render previews?

                                                  • 22. Re: slideshow is sized wrong after import as asset. need help
                                                    nefl777 Community Member

                                                    It was many months ago that I made my slideshow - and now that you have reminded me that I used HD settings in the export, I realize back then I did not use HD but SD. I will re-export with hopefully the right SD settings. I also appreciate being pointed to the FAQ and I'll definitely bookmark them for the future. (when I saw the yellow line, I panicked).

                                                     

                                                    thanks again todd!

                                                    • 23. Re: slideshow is sized wrong after import as asset. need help
                                                      nefl777 Community Member

                                                      I have spent the entire day on this one task. Let me tell you what I found .. and you tell me if it's a "feature" or a "bug".

                                                       

                                                      When I imported my SD quicktime movie, it came in as letterbox, so I clicked on it in the media browser, hit "modify" and "interpret footage" and set it to NTSC 16:9.  fine. but, in my Program Workspace, it did not fill the frame (I did have the setting "Fit" set on that workspace window). On the top menu pulldowns, I also saw the option "fit to frame". I selected my asset in the Media Browser, pulled down off the menu "fit to frame"  but nothing happened. I also clicked on my asset, right clicked, and picked "fit to frame". Nothing.   that's when I put in my follow up note today to this discussion.

                                                       

                                                      After Todd's advice, I exported with different settings all day today - probably 6 versions. none would size correctly or fill the  frame.

                                                       

                                                      This afternoon by accident, I "right clicked" on the clip in the timeline. I saw "fit to frame" and clicked on it and it worked!

                                                       

                                                      Is it me? .....very..... frustrated!