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1. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
able123 Nov 15, 2011 3:21 PM (in response to Ann Bens)========
We are excited to announce that membership to the Adobe Creative Cloud will be available in the first half of 2012 at a price of $49.99 per month for individuals and $69.99 per month per seat for workgroups, both for an annual plan.
For customers who prefer to remain on the current licensing model, we will continue to offer our individual point products and Adobe Creative Suite editions as perpetual licenses. With regards to upgrades, we are changing our policy for perpetual license customers. In order to qualify for upgrade pricing when CS6 releases, customers will need to be on the latest version of our software (either CS5 or CS5.5 editions). If our customers are not yet on those versions, we’re offering a 20% discount through December 31, 2011 which will qualify them for upgrade pricing when we release CS6.
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Pretty cool ! Only $600 per year at current rate for monthly individuals ( single machine )...
And to upgrade to new version for perpetual license ( which comes out every 18 months now ??? ) you need only the latest version.. after this coming Dec 31.
My only worry might be ... since all this requires even MORE internet connectivity ( and security re: verifying license and so on of various versions etc ) will there be problems when the platforms experience some internet difficulties.. I think for help files you need the internet now... but to need the internet for the whole kit and caboodle ( not to mention the speed of the internet nodes being good to go at all hours etc ).. that kinda worries me a bit... if you are working on pro stuff I mean... and you can't afford problems... the introduction of another " variable" of ... what can be wrong with this ???? It isnt working !!! ....might prove a bit hard for customers to troubleshoot.
Otherwise, what a cool idea !
edit.. plus.. what a great savings for Adobe... reach many more customers without need to make physical product ( dvd, cd etc.. manuals, nothing ! )
The savings in cost could be passed onto R&D ( like maybe those recently fired 1200 adobe flash for mobile devices employees coulda kept working on something ELSE ? ! )
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2. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
Stan Jones Nov 15, 2011 3:56 PM (in response to able123)And to upgrade to new version for perpetual license ( which comes out every 18 months now ??? ) you need only the latest version.. after this coming Dec 31.
I read your statement to mean that the upgrade might be free. So there's no confusion:
"In order to qualify for upgrade pricing when CS6 releases, customers will need to be on the latest version of our software (either CS5 or CS5.5 editions)."
Since I am at CS5, it won't affect me, but this would suggest to me that the only way for a CS3 or CS4 owner to upgrade, if they don't get to CS5 before 12/31, would be to buy at full price.
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3. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
able123 Nov 16, 2011 12:41 AM (in response to Stan Jones)yeah, thats what it is saying...if you dont have the immediate version before update you're outta luck
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4. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
TradeWind Nov 16, 2011 7:28 AM (in response to Ann Bens)Something to note...the Adobe Creative Cloud includes EVERYTHING that is in the Master Collection (as stated by the OP link) so that means that for $600 per year, you've got....everything. The annual upgrade to just the Production Suite will run you about $600 - if you were to upgrade every time a new version comes out - and so I'd think for a lot of people, the cloud pricing would make a lot of sense, and change your software purchases from massive once-in-a-while, do-I-have-the-money-right-now decisions to a monthly plan (with no interest charges) and you will always be on the newest version of....everything.
Sounds like a pretty decent win-win. I have skipped 5.5, so I'm really only currently a bi-annual purchaser, so my costs will effectively double if I go with the cloud pricing. But, having it simply be a monthly charge makes the books a bit simpler for this small-time producer.
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5. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
Todd_KoprivaNov 16, 2011 7:36 PM (in response to able123)
> yeah, thats what it is saying...if you dont have the immediate version before update you're outta luck
That's not correct. Upgrade pricing goes back two versions: CS5 or CS5.5 in this case.
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6. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
Todd_KoprivaNov 16, 2011 7:39 PM (in response to Todd_Kopriva)
BTW, don't skip over the currently running steep discount for upgrades, which is intended to help people to get up to a version from which the next upgrade can occur.
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7. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
tfkelly42 Nov 21, 2011 1:48 PM (in response to Todd_Kopriva)That's not correct. Upgrade pricing goes back two versions: CS5 or CS5.5 in this case.
I thought Adobe treated the x.1 or x.5 releases as 'half versions' - with 'some improvements but not enough to make it a significant/major release' - I see this new upgrade policy as therefore needing the previous release (be it CS5, CS5.1 or CS5.5) A view shared by an article on web4design blog:
http://www.web4design.co.uk/blog/?p=689
I think this change to the upgrade policy for the next release will prove to be a mistake for Adobe, giving users very little notice. Previously I have tended to miss a version and upgrade every other version (Photoshop 7, CS2 and now CS4) which has meant upgrading in 2002, 2005 and 2008 - therefore every 3 years. I know this would not make me one of Adobe's ideal customers, but I'm a customer none the less. It was going to be my intention to upgrade at the next release according to my previous upgrade history, however Adobe has now taken this option away from me and many other users. I'm not a heavy user so cannot justify getting an upgrade now and again when CS6 comes out - maybe if the change in policy was published earlier it wouldn't seem as such a bitter pill to swallow - at least I would feel I could get value out of version 5 if I knew I needed to have it...... Maybe it's time to ditch.
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8. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
Todd_KoprivaNov 21, 2011 1:51 PM (in response to tfkelly42)
> I thought Adobe treated the x.1 or x.5 releases as 'half versions' - with 'some improvements but not enough to make it a significant/major release'
No, that's not how we see or treat these versions. CS5.5 was a major release.
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9. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
Paul_Taylor Nov 23, 2011 5:17 AM (in response to Ann Bens)So Adobe has now got the small businesses completely turned over.
No longer do they get the choice to use the product and upgrade at a sensible time
(Adobe upgrades are notoriously expensive - so its no surprise people version jump )
They are now being forced to upgrade now, pay out, and then do it all again in a few months time!
or pay Adobe a guaranteed amount of cash to use the software.
Having been an Adobe customer for years I am very unhappy with the new upgrade options.
They are certainly not customer centric or show anything more than a mercenary approach to the userbase.
Its now time to start looking at Apples cheaper and comparable products.
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10. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
TradeWind Nov 23, 2011 6:37 AM (in response to Paul_Taylor)I actually prefer the $49/month plan if it is actually monthly...I don't mind making an annual commitment, but dropping $600 every single year is no different financially than what I currently do. Spacing out those payments would be nice for me, and I would think it would make Adobe's sales a little more consistent month-to-month. But finance isn't my specialty, so whatever it is, it is.
The main benefit with the new program will be that you get ALL of Adobe's current Master Collection software for the one price. I think a lot of people have failed to notice that part. You also get the mobile apps. In other words, for about the same price as just upgrading the Production Premium each year, you get EVERYTHING.
So you're one of these people who don't upgrade every single version? No problem...same here, I skipped CS5.5 and stuck with CS5 because it worked fine for me. Adobe is still going to be offering the traditional licensing, where you buy once and use it forever. I know the gripe there has to do with Adobe not continuing development on a version once the newest version is released, and that's unfortunate, but there's only so much a company can do. New versions do usually bring bug fixes that should have been there in the previous version, but they bring new functionality as well. It's a tradeoff, and it most severely impacts those customers that stick with an older version, so yes that's unfortunate, but those customers are not the majority of users out there, and Adobe cannot afford the resources and funds to support the minority of users as equally as the majority.
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11. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
Paul_Taylor Nov 23, 2011 7:04 AM (in response to TradeWind)So an Indesign CS3 or Photoshop user who is happily doing layout / photo editing for a small business now has the option to
A) Pay out £120 now, to upgrade to CS5.5, and no doubt pay out again when CS6 is released to keep in the program
B) Go over to paying Adobe $49 per month for ever, whilst loosing all the investment in previous versions of the app
(users of single apps really wont get the advantage of the suite)
And to top that - I really don't want to be held to ransom everytime I want to use the software. I want to choose when I upgrade and spend my money.
C) Don't pay the upgrade and pay over £1000 to purchase the full version - well thats just not going to happen is it
And what's the bettings that $49 converted to UKP doesnt come to £31.50 this side of the pond!
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12. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
TradeWind Nov 23, 2011 8:39 AM (in response to Paul_Taylor)You've made some assumptions that I'm not sure are correct, so I'll add my own assumptions and see if we can't muddy this up a little further.
As for the monthly cost of using a single application such as Photoshop, I think Adobe will probably have pricing to accomodate that. Again, if we're all just drawing conclusions here, I'd assume that there will be a different price for people needing just one of the applications.
The BIG story, of course, is the whole "pay one low price, get everything!" headline. That's the big news, and lots of people are intrigued by that. The smaller, less interesting details are yet to come, but the big announcement is the complete Adobe experience of having EVERYTHING and having it perpetully upgraded so long as you maintain your account.
As for losing investments in previous apps, I'm really not sure what you mean at all. Anyone who currently owns Adobe software owns those licenses, they don't disappear just because there's another purchasing option available. Likewise, you can probably assume as well that you will never be FORCED to upgrade under the new subscription model just because a new version is AVAILABLE. If you are the kind of facility that has to lock down an edit machine and not touch it for a year or two or three after installation, then the subscription type plans are probably not for you, which is why Adobe will continue to offer those single seat one-time-fee license options. Still, it's not like Adobe is going to PUSH a new upgrade to your machine without you requesting it or approving it. I imagine it would work just like everything does now on a computer, where you get a prompt like "A new version of Photoshop is available (v6.061.05). Would you like to upgrade at this time?"
All this talk about being held ransom and not having a choice about when to spend your money...it is all very emotional but not very sensical.
Generally speaking, it makes no sense to continue stating that a user MUST upgrade to CS5.5, then CS6, etc. Again, when you purchase the license, you have it, so the only "force" that would make you upgrade again is your own decision-making like "do I need these new features...or not?" It is beyond my understanding why people have to act like continuing to work on a piece of software and charging for those ongoing developments is some sort of crime.
As for the pricing as it relates to currency conversion, that problem is not even remotely in Adobe's hands, so if you are trying to make it out like that's Adobe's problem, then you've got no foot to stand on. Adobe is a United States corporation, headquartered in California (one of the 50 current states in the union) and so all of their pricing and advertising and everything else starts in American dollars. Once it gets converted into the local currency of the UK (or Botswana, or Thailand or Nigeria), there are a lot of other things at play such as VAT and shipping costs (in the case where a physical product is being purhcased).
I wish you the best of luck in determining your required future upgrade paths as they pertain to your particular business or hobby. I just think you are taking issue with something that has not yet even been fully laid out, nor has it been implemented, nor is it a "forced" policy. For many users, their purchasing choices will remain unchanged. For other users, there are now new options that better fit the way they'd prefer to spend their software dollar. As I said, good luck determining which is best for you.
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13. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
the_wine_snob Nov 23, 2011 8:43 AM (in response to Ann Bens)Some comments are coming in, regarding the upgrade policies: http://www.scottkelby.com/blog/2011/archives/22903
The above is driected at Photoshop, from the president of the NAPP (National Association of Photoshop Professionals).
Hunt
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14. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
TradeWind Nov 23, 2011 9:10 AM (in response to the_wine_snob)If people don't need anything beyond Photoshop CS4 (or unless someone else develops and actual worthwhile competitor to Photoshop) then they don't need to upgrade anyway. It's not really a position that Adobe should be concerned about. People who are using the software frequently to make money are going to be able to justify the pricing one way or the other. If the last version they purchased was CS4, then they have gotten (or will have gotten, by next April) about 4 years of use out of their software. If they paid full price in 2008, then that averages about $250 a year (which is probably a lot less than they get paid for a single production in many cases). If they upgraded in 2008, then their cost ends up being more like $100 per year.
If a user is on one of the Creative suite packages, then their costs are spread out even more, and their per year costs per application are much less, even if they only use 2 or 3 of the apps in the Creative Suite.
I can appreciate the considerate wording from the NAPP president, which is exactly how these sorts of appeals ought to be made. But I think he is either grossly exaggerating or completely misjudging when he states that he fears many CS4 users will never upgrade Photoshop again.
And for the record, Adobe's prices have continued to drop steadily over the last 10 years, so anyone who upgrades only every 3 or 4 years has benefitted regardless. I just think it's much ado about nothing, especially when you consider - as the NAPP president stated - that we don't really even know the full details on Adobe's upgrade policy yet.
I don't agree with the "give us some notice" argument because Adobe has already given at LEAST 6 months notice (which is half of the product cycle) so yes, the people who might benefit the most would be folks that bought CS5.5 on the day it was announced, but they only benefitted by 6 months at the most versus those that choose to upgrade today.
Adobe has done a better job than they get credit for when it comes to giving advance notice of pricing and policy changes. I just get tired (have you noticed?) of the arguing and bickering when Adobe has contined to listen to customers and provide products we all need at prices that are NOT outrageous. Adobe is a big company, and really doesn't need little ol' me defending them, but I think I owe them a bit of my time and effort typing these defenses after the superb job they've done for the last however many years.
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15. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
Paul_Taylor Nov 23, 2011 9:23 AM (in response to TradeWind)I'd assume that there will be a different price for people needing just one of the applications.
OK let see
As for losing investments in previous apps, I'm really not sure what you mean at all
People do upgrade to enable them to keep on the upgrade/discount path
As of Dec 31 anyone who has done that with CS4 will loose that option/investment.
you will never be FORCED to upgrade
You don't 'have to' but to keep with the program you 'will' have to upgrade
Pricing
Products always 'appears' to be more expensive in the UK and Europe compared to the US
I'd like to see a full breakdown of any differential when purchasing.
You've also got to look at it from the perspective of a user thats just shelled out over $800 upgrading the master package
when it looks like anyone can get access to that immediately for $49
Other
We've had some outages here with broadband - I'd really hate to have that stop me working
In the end - options are good. But this is looking more like Hobsons choice - only time will tell.
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16. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
the_wine_snob Nov 23, 2011 9:33 AM (in response to TradeWind)Christian,
I agree with you, as I have followed an almost unbroken upgrade path, since I picked up PS ver. 2.5, almost 20 years ago. Until CS2, I only skipped PS version 5.5, as I was not doing any Web work, way back then. The same with most of my other Adobe programs. The string did break, with CS 3, as I had upgraded to several of the suites, and could no longer upgrade just elements of those suites. As I was very comfortable with the capabilities of my programs, up through CS2, I skipped upgrading any of those suites, as I could not justify the additions, and also a few oft-used programs in them were having issues. When CS5 came out, I did the upgrades, and then to CS5.5. There were then reasons to do the upgrades, for me. Do not know what CS6 will offer, but I will look closely into it.
Now, that is just for me. While I cannot say how many of those 70k NAPP members feel the same way, it appears that the president of the organization feels differently, and has probably been hearing from many of those members. As I have not been closely monitoring my NAPP e-mails (usually mostly announcing training sessions around the world), I cannot comment on how many feel as Scott Kelby does, or as you and I do. I can only guess that Kelby's phone has been ringing "off the hook," but it could just be his personal feelings, put forth in that letter.
Being retired now, upgrades will probably get more scrutiny and justification, but that is just by me. Once, the only questions that I had were: can I work more quickly, can I add more value to the product for my clients, etc.. Now, I have to look a bit more closely, and justify more judiciously, but that is just life.
Time will tell.
Hunt
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17. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
the_wine_snob Nov 23, 2011 9:39 AM (in response to Paul_Taylor)Other
We've had some outages here with broadband - I'd really hate to have that stop me working
That, and other similar concerns, will likely keep me from considering the Cloud/Subscription route. Though I am blessed with good Internet connectivity here, there HAVE been times, and if I were working on deadline, I would be very distressed. As it is, I have almost all of my programs on two machines, whether it's with the Adobe licenses, or purchased additional licenses, so if one machine dies, I can migrate the Project to the other, and still have two more, if I had to install & Activate on one of those. I could keep working.
The distribution connections may well improve to the point that they are bullet-proof, or nearly so. Until then, I will probably just pay more, and get my media.
However, for many, the subscriptions might well be a big money-saver, and highly convenient.
Hunt
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18. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
John T Smith Nov 23, 2011 9:48 AM (in response to the_wine_snob)I have also had occasional Internet problems (telco has determined it is their "backbone" feed line problem, and street in front of my house now has a bunch of lines and cryptic markings... and we received a postcard that "someday soon" they are going to dig a trench in the street to lay a new master feed line) so would NEVER buy software that required an Internet connection to run
Of course, CS5 completely meets my needs, and as a home hobbyist with NO plans to buy a new camera (Canon Vixia HFS100 does everything I need) I see no need to buy new software... CS5.5 doesn't offer anything **I** need, and I doubt CS6 will either
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19. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
Todd_KoprivaNov 23, 2011 10:00 AM (in response to John T Smith)
No one is saying that the Creative Suite applications will require an active Internet connection to run.
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20. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
TradeWind Nov 23, 2011 10:37 AM (in response to Paul_Taylor)People who just purchased that $800 upgrade for the master collection get to use that effectively forever with not another time dropped. In 16 months, they will be able to upgrade to CS6 if they want, and have been no worse for the wear. Likewise, I would assume that most people who just now purchased CS5.5 would NOT be upgrading for another $800 in 6 months anyway (when CS6 comes out) so the whole discussion on that matter really falls apart. But even if they DID upgrade, it would cost them $800+$800 over the next 16 months as opposed to $800+$500 under the new plan. That's a savings of $300 in your scenario.
And I think there is some misunderstanding about the cloud aspect of all this. The cloud is referring to the fact that the applications will all be downloads under that licensing plan. It's not like you'll be editing in a web-based app. You will still download the software to your machine and it won't just suddenly quit on you as soon as you lose your internet connection.
There are some web-based apps and likely there still will be some, but that's not how the main apps will work, probably not ever, or at least many many years from now (like Photoshop, After Effects, Premiere, etc). So let's just get that misunderstanding out of the way.
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21. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
Todd_KoprivaNov 23, 2011 10:43 AM (in response to TradeWind)
> And I think there is some misunderstanding about the cloud aspect of all this. The cloud is referring to the fact that the applications will all be downloads under that licensing plan. It's not like you'll be editing in a web-based app. You will still download the software to your machine and it won't just suddenly quit on you as soon as you lose your internet connection.
There are some web-based apps and likely there still will be some, but that's not how the main apps will work, probably not ever, or at least many many years from now (like Photoshop, After Effects, Premiere, etc). So let's just get that misunderstanding out of the way.
I want to reinforce what Christian just said: The "cloud" part of all this has a few aspects, but there is absolutely no requirement that you have an active Internet connection to use applications like Premiere Pro, After Effects, and Photoshop. There may be more frequent updates, web-based applications, and other additional features and services that use an active Internet connection---but the existing Creative Suite applications are not somehow being "moved into the cloud".
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22. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
able123 Nov 23, 2011 11:00 AM (in response to Todd_Kopriva)this is such a can of worms I certainly hope adobe does a test market of this before making it a done deal.. which could be done while ( as asked for in the letter to adobe from that photoshop guy Hunt posted ) giving people more notice about plans to go this route.
I for one dont for a second think some problems WONT arise from not having an internet connection ( especially for pros working on location this would be a nightmare .. more than that it would probably get you fired and never work again in film production )... it could be some billing debacle ( license thing ) or simply some "handshake" thing to guarantee you are in fact licensed to use product -- instead of some pirate ....
its bad enough having help files online instead of on hard drive... this whole new thing, in such a short time, scares the heck out of any pro..
and here's why mostly.. if something "goes wrong" and you cant " work" ....if the program isnt working ....or something is just plain not working ....adding yet another "variable" to troubleshoot is a nightmare....
for whatever reason.
not only that...but in terms of the long haul and adobe employees... think about all those who will get laid off in the billing and marketing departments etc as this becomes more and more " automated "... less employees means less " support " for each other to maintain a decent retirement and healthcare insurance " pool ". At first it's like, " Oh, this is OK, it doesnt effect ME ".. and years later it's like, " Oh, you mean there's no more retirement plan, health insurance, employee discount ??? "
None of this makes sense to me.
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23. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
TradeWind Nov 23, 2011 11:10 AM (in response to able123)Adobe already has internet connectivity on the creative suite applications...it's a simple handshake, and verifies your software. It's not constantly hunting for an open connection. This isn't likely to change at all. In fact, the security is much better now if the apps are downloaded "from the cloud" so security is less of a concern. I suspect that you should see less internet-related issues, NOT more of them. Like Todd said, there is absolutely no requirement that you have to have an active internet connection. Absolutely. None. There you go.
Help files are installed on your computer by the way.
As you stated, it of course doesn't make sense to you because you are unnecessarily complicating the issue with a myriad of concerns which have no basis in reality. If you think more simply, you would understand. Adobe does not want and does not need 1,000 different complex hooks between everything. For crying out loud, they got rid of the hardware dongle a decade ago, how much more secure could you be than that? If they really wanted to put the screws into their customers, they'd never have changed that requirement.
Again, try to remove all the various unfounded concerns and understand that at the core, Adobe is simply moving forward with a much more modern, simple and straightforward approach to selling their software. In the longer term, it will save everybody money. As for all the support and automation problems your foresee, that's bordering on conspiracy theory so I cannot assist you with that.
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24. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
able123 Nov 23, 2011 11:23 AM (in response to TradeWind)Christian, thank you. I am so relieved there is no need for an internet connection for all this to work out to benefit everyone. Those pro houses who dont have internet connections and who have historically not used premiere pro editing program will probably consider this new option and increase adobe's market share of the pro world.
thanks !
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25. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
able123 Nov 23, 2011 11:43 AM (in response to able123)I have to say... to be fair here... that " money" and cost of upgrades etc is not an issue with me.. when dealing with pro jobs. I am just putting things in perspective when I say that as a key grip on some movie like batman ( not that I am the key grip.. but if I was ) my budget for "expendables " per week on the job ( wood, color correction gels, tape, beadboard, duvateen, showcard, foamcore, and so on ) would be about 10x the cost of the entire suite of adobe products and the computer ( hardware ) to do the edit on the scale you are concerned with ...
this is not some "conspiracy theory" concern... really.. its about products that aren't hooked at all into license and billing on the internet.. period... nobody needs the headache when filming in ( and doing DIT and doing DVD dailies immediately ) locations that frankly have no piss ant internet connection concerns...
but anyway, it is what it is here.. and thanks for the heads up about whats real.
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26. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
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868 Dolly Trk Alum Filmair Curved 3 1 $0.00 $25.00 2 vendor 1022 Fisher 10 Boom Board 3 1 $0.00 $20.00 12 Fisher, J.L. 1019 Fisher 10 Crab Dolly 3 1 $0.00 $250.00 12 Fisher, J.L. 1023 Fisher 10 Diving Boards (set) 3 2 $0.00 $11.00 12 Fisher, J.L. 1025 Fisher 10 Dolly Track 3 12 $0.00 $25.00 12 Fisher, J.L. 1020 Fisher 11 Crab Dolly 3 1 $0.00 $250.00 12 Fisher, J.L. 857 Fisher Rotating Ubangi 15" (RO) 3 1 $0.00 $70.00 12 Fisher, J.L. 858 Fisher Rotating Ubangi 20" (RO) 3 3 $0.00 $65.00 12 Fisher, J.L. 856 Fisher Rotating Ubangi 6" (RO) 3 1 $0.00 $55.00 12 Fisher, J.L. 1021 Fisher Seat Ext Arm 3 2 $0.00 $15.00 12 Fisher, J.L. 1024 Fisher Shovel Nose 3 1 $0.00 $35.00 12 Fisher, J.L. 1028 Matthews Track 10' 3 12 $0.00 $25.00 1 Matthews 1026 Matthews Track 4' 3 12 $0.00 $15.00 1 Matthews 1027 Matthews Track 8' 3 12 $0.00 $20.00 1 Matthews 1029 Matthews Track Curve 3 8 $0.00 $25.00 1 Matthews 855 Ubangi Offset Plate 24" 3 1 $0.00 $25.00 12 Fisher, J.L. 559 Adaptors 750-2K 4 6 $0.00 $5.00 2 vendor 564 Balin Brackets 4 1 $0.00 $4.75 2 vendor 594 Flexarms 4 1 $0.00 $3.00 2 vendor 639 Spring Clips Large 4 1 $0.00 $1.25 2 vendor 640 Spring Clips Medium 4 1 $0.00 $1.15 2 vendor 641 Spring Clips Small 4 1 $0.00 $1.00 2 vendor 645 Times Square Clamps 4 6 $15.00 $1.50 2 vendor 836 C-Clamp 10" 5 1 $23.00 $3.25 2 vendor 837 C-Clamp 10" with 2K Stud 5 1 $0.00 $4.25 2 vendor 572 C-Clamp 12" 5 1 $0.00 $3.25 2 vendor 1148 C-Clamp 2" 5 6 $5.00 $1.25 2 vendor 575 C-Clamp 3" 5 1 $6.00 $2.00 2 vendor 576 C-Clamp 4" 5 1 $6.00 $2.50 2 vendor 578 C-Clamp 4" with 750 Stud 5 1 $0.00 $3.75 2 vendor 577 C-Clamp 6" 5 1 $9.00 $2.50 2 vendor 579 C-Clamp 6" with 2K Stud 5 1 $0.00 $3.75 2 vendor 580 C-Clamp 6" with 750 Stud 5 1 $0.00 $3.75 2 vendor 581 C-Clamp 8" 5 1 $12.00 $3.25 2 vendor 582 C-Clamp 8" with 2K Stud 5 1 $0.00 $4.25 2 vendor 838 C-Clamp 8" with 2K Vertical/Horizontal 5 1 $0.00 $4.75 2 vendor 583 C-Clamp 8" with 750 Stud 5 1 $0.00 $4.25 2 vendor 565 Bar Clamps 12" 6 1 $0.00 $5.00 2 vendor 566 Bar Clamps 18" 6 1 $0.00 $5.00 2 vendor 567 Bar Clamps 24" 6 1 $0.00 $5.00 2 vendor 835 Bar Clamps 36" 6 1 $0.00 $6.00 2 vendor 937 Bar Clamps 48" 6 1 $95.00 $6.00 2 vendor 568 Bar Clamps 6" 6 1 $0.00 $4.00 2 vendor 569 Bar Clamps 8" 6 1 $0.00 $4.00 2 vendor 840 Cardellini Clamp 6 1 $0.00 $5.00 2 vendor 595 Gaffer Grip 6 1 $0.00 $2.50 2 vendor 597 Grid Clamp 2K 6 1 $28.00 $2.75 2 vendor 1009 Grid Clamp 750 6 6 $0.00 $2.00 2 vendor 611 Maffer Clamp 6 7 $0.00 $3.00 2 vendor 621 Pipe Clamps 2K 6 1 $0.00 $2.50 2 vendor 622 Pipe Clamps 750 6 1 $0.00 $2.15 2 vendor 839 Scissor Clamp (drop ceiling) 6 1 $0.00 $3.00 2 vendor 832 Vice Grip (chain) w 750 stud 6 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 831 Vice Grip (regular) w 750 stud 6 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 833 Bead Board Holder 7 1 $0.00 $3.75 2 vendor 596 Combi Head 3 1/2" (2K) 7 1 $0.00 $5.00 2 vendor 829 Double Header 750 7 1 $0.00 $2.50 2 vendor 834 Ear Extension 7 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 612 Offset 2K 7 1 $0.00 $3.50 2 vendor 613 Offset 750 7 1 $0.00 $2.50 2 vendor 619 Pidgeon 2K 7 1 $0.00 $2.50 2 vendor 620 Pidgeon 750 7 1 $0.00 $2.15 1 Matthews 636 Sidearm 2K 7 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 637 Sidearm 750 7 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 650 T-Bone Turtle 2K 7 1 $0.00 $7.50 2 vendor 647 Triple Header 2K 7 1 $0.00 $4.00 2 vendor 648 Triple Header 750 7 1 $0.00 $3.50 2 vendor 560 Apple Box 1/2 8 1 $0.00 $1.50 2 vendor 561 Apple Box 1/4 8 6 $0.00 $1.50 2 vendor 562 Apple Box 1/8 8 6 $0.00 $1.50 2 vendor 563 Apple Box Full 8 1 $0.00 $1.50 2 vendor 845 C-Stand 40" 9 1 $0.00 $6.00 1 Matthews 584 C-Stand 60" 9 12 $0.00 $6.00 1 Matthews 824 C-Stand 60" c+ Turtle 9 1 $0.00 $6.00 1 Matthews 823 C-Stand 60" r/m 9 1 $0.00 $6.00 1 Matthews 585 C-Stand Baby 20" Narrow 9 1 $0.00 $6.00 2 vendor 822 C-Stand Baby 20" Wide 9 1 $0.00 $6.00 2 vendor 1010 C-Stand Gobo Head 9 6 $0.00 $1.50 2 vendor 1017 C-Stand Long Arm 9 4 $0.00 $2.00 2 vendor 635 C-Stand Short Arms (2 with head) 9 1 $0.00 $6.00 2 vendor 1013 High Boy Medium Roller Stand 9 4 $0.00 $7.50 1 Matthews 1012 High Boy Medium Stand 9 4 $0.00 $7.50 2 vendor 825 High Boy Mombo Combo Stand 75"-27' 9 6 $0.00 $25.00 1 Matthews 827 High Boy Rocky Mountain Stand 9 1 $0.00 $25.00 1 Matthews 600 High Boy Stand 9 1 $0.00 $8.50 1 Matthews 601 High Boy with Wide Base Stand 9 1 $0.00 $11.00 1 Matthews 610 Low Boy Reflector Stand 9 1 $0.00 $8.50 1 Matthews 626 Reflector Stands Alum. 9 1 $0.00 $5.75 1 Matthews 627 Reflector Stands Steel 9 3 $0.00 $5.75 2 vendor 588 Cribbing 10 1 $0.00 $10.00 2 vendor 589 Cup Blocks 10 1 $0.00 $1.00 2 vendor 590 Donuts 10 1 $0.00 $1.00 2 vendor 634 Shims (bundle) 10 1 $0.00 $15.00 2 vendor 642 Step-Ups 10 1 $0.00 $1.25 2 vendor 655 Wedges (box of 50) 10 1 $0.00 $15.00 2 vendor 514 18x24 Black Double Nets 11 2 $0.00 $2.50 1 Matthews 518 18x24 Black Single Nets 11 1 $0.00 $2.25 2 vendor 773 18x24 Cucoloris Cello 11 1 $0.00 $8.00 2 vendor 513 18x24 Cucoloris Wood 11 1 $0.00 $8.00 2 vendor 515 18x24 Empty Frame 11 1 $0.00 $2.25 2 vendor 516 18x24 Lavender 11 1 $0.00 $5.00 2 vendor 1015 18x24 Metal Flag 11 4 $0.00 $3.75 2 vendor 517 18x24 Silk 11 1 $0.00 $2.75 1 Matthews 787 18x24 Silk Black 11 1 $0.00 $5.00 2 vendor 519 18x24 Solid 11 6 $0.00 $3.50 2 vendor 786 18x24 White Double Net 11 1 $0.00 $3.50 2 vendor 776 18x24 White Single Nets 11 1 $0.00 $2.50 2 vendor 520 18x48 Solid 11 1 $0.00 $2.50 2 vendor 777 18x48 Solid Floppy 11 1 $0.00 $3.50 2 vendor 533 24x36 Black Double Net 11 1 $0.00 $6.00 2 vendor 537 24x36 Black Single Net 11 1 $0.00 $6.00 2 vendor 531 24x36 Cucoloris Cello 11 1 $0.00 $8.00 2 vendor 532 24x36 Cucoloris Wood 11 1 $0.00 $8.00 2 vendor 789 24x36 Double Net White 11 1 $0.00 $6.00 2 vendor 534 24x36 Empty Frame 11 1 $0.00 $6.00 2 vendor 535 24x36 Lavender 11 1 $0.00 $6.00 2 vendor 536 24x36 Silk 11 1 $0.00 $6.00 2 vendor 790 24x36 Silk Black 11 1 $0.00 $4.50 2 vendor 788 24x36 Single Net White 11 6 $0.00 $2.75 2 vendor 538 24x36 Solid 11 1 $0.00 $6.00 2 vendor 539 24x72 Solid Meataxe 11 1 $0.00 $10.00 2 vendor 778 24x72 Solid Meataxe Floppy 11 1 $0.00 $10.00 1 Matthews 542 4x4 Black Double Net 11 1 $0.00 $15.00 2 vendor 793 4x4 Black Silk 11 1 $0.00 $9.50 2 vendor 546 4x4 Black Single Net 11 1 $0.00 $15.00 2 vendor 540 4x4 Cucoloris Cello 11 1 $0.00 $15.00 2 vendor 541 4x4 Cucoloris Wood 11 1 $0.00 $15.00 2 vendor 792 4x4 Double Net White 11 1 $0.00 $8.00 2 vendor 543 4x4 Empty Frame 11 1 $0.00 $15.00 2 vendor 544 4x4 Lavender 11 1 $0.00 $9.50 2 vendor 1016 4x4 Metal Flag 11 3 $0.00 $5.00 2 vendor 796 4x4 Muslin Bleached 11 1 $0.00 $15.00 2 vendor 797 4x4 Muslin Unbleached 11 1 $0.00 $15.00 2 vendor 545 4x4 Silk 11 1 $0.00 $15.00 2 vendor 548 4x4 Solid 11 1 $0.00 $15.00 2 vendor 547 4x4 Solid Floppy 11 1 $0.00 $15.00 2 vendor 791 4x4 White Single Net 11 1 $0.00 $7.00 2 vendor 592 Dots and Fingers 11 1 $0.00 $27.00 2 vendor 632 Sandbags 12 80 $0.00 $2.50 2 vendor 1149 Shot Bags 12 12 $0.00 $3.00 2 vendor 815 4x4 Glass Mirror 13 1 $0.00 $50.00 2 vendor 629 4x4 Reflector Gold H/S 13 1 $0.00 $25.00 2 vendor 813 4x4 Reflector Net Double 13 1 $0.00 $2.50 2 vendor 628 4x4 Reflector Net Single 13 1 $0.00 $2.50 2 vendor 630 4x4 Reflector Silver H/S 13 1 $0.00 $25.00 2 vendor 846 Rubber Mat 13 1 $0.00 $3.25 2 vendor 633 Saw Horses (set of 2) 13 1 $0.00 $8.00 2 vendor 651 Umbrella With Stand 13 1 $0.00 $2.50 2 vendor 938 J-Hanger 2K 14 1 $31.00 $2.00 2 vendor 602 J-Hanger 750 14 1 $31.00 $2.00 2 vendor 649 Trombone 750 14 1 $0.00 $5.00 2 vendor 652 Wall Hangers 14 1 $0.00 $3.00 2 vendor 653 Wall Stretchers 2x4 14 1 $0.00 $9.00 2 vendor 654 Wall Stretchers 2x6 14 1 $0.00 $9.00 2 vendor 623 Polecats Large (7'11"-14'10") 15 1 $0.00 $11.00 1 Matthews 624 Polecats Medium (4'4"-8') 15 1 $0.00 $11.00 2 vendor 625 Polecats Small (2'6"-4'5") 15 1 $0.00 $6.00 2 vendor 603 Ladders 10' 16 1 $0.00 $11.00 2 vendor 604 Ladders 12' 16 1 $0.00 $13.00 2 vendor 605 Ladders 14' 16 1 $0.00 $15.00 2 vendor 606 Ladders 4' 16 1 $0.00 $5.00 2 vendor 607 Ladders 6' 16 1 $0.00 $7.00 2 vendor 608 Ladders 8' 16 1 $0.00 $9.00 2 vendor 609 Ladders Extension 24' 16 1 $0.00 $36.00 2 vendor 638 Furniture Blankets 20 1 $0.00 $3.50 2 vendor 558 750 Double Header 21 1 $0.00 $5.00 2 vendor 570 Black Pipe 1 1/4" x 20' 21 1 $35.00 $0.00 2 vendor 571 Black Pipe Couplings (thread) 21 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 631 Candlestick (2K Riser) 21 1 $0.00 $5.00 2 vendor 830 Condor Bracket 21 1 $0.00 $50.00 2 vendor 593 Double Header 2K 21 1 $0.00 $3.50 2 vendor 598 Grip Helper 21 1 $0.00 $10.00 2 vendor 843 Pipe Aluminum 10' 21 1 $0.00 $10.00 2 vendor 844 Pipe Aluminum 20' 21 1 $0.00 $20.00 2 vendor 841 Pipe Steel 10' X 1 1/4" 21 1 $35.00 $10.00 2 vendor 842 Pipe Steel 20' X1 1/4" 21 1 $35.00 $20.00 2 vendor 643 Stirrup 21 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 646 Trapeze 2K 21 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 828 Trombone 2K 21 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 614 Parallels 4' Steel with Tops 22 1 $0.00 $27.00 2 vendor 615 Parallels 6' Steel with Tops 22 1 $0.00 $27.00 2 vendor 616 Parallels Casters (set of 4) 22 1 $0.00 $14.00 2 vendor 618 Parallels Leveling Jacks (4) 22 1 $0.00 $14.00 2 vendor 617 Parallels Safety Rails 22 1 $0.00 $9.00 2 vendor 644 Tarps (large) 23 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 782 12x12 Black Double Net 24 4 $0.00 $17.00 2 vendor 504 12x12 Black Silk 1/4 24 6 $0.00 $17.00 1 Matthews 511 12x12 Black Single Net 24 6 $0.00 $9.00 2 vendor 503 12x12 Butterfly Frame 24 5 $0.00 $22.00 1 Matthews 505 12x12 Ears (set 2) 24 6 $0.00 $10.00 1 Matthews 780 12x12 Grifflector Gold Lame 24 6 $0.00 $27.00 2 vendor 779 12x12 Grifflector Silver Lame 24 6 $0.00 $27.00 2 vendor 507 12x12 Grifflon 24 6 $0.00 $35.00 2 vendor 775 12x12 Heavy Grid Cloth 24 6 $0.00 $27.00 2 vendor 506 12x12 Light Grid Cloth 24 6 $0.00 $37.00 1 Matthews 508 12x12 Muslin Bleached 24 6 $0.00 $50.00 2 vendor 509 12x12 Muslin Unbleached 24 1 $0.00 $50.00 2 vendor 510 12x12 Silk 24 1 $0.00 $27.00 2 vendor 512 12x12 Solid 24 1 $0.00 $17.00 1 Matthews 1007 12x12 White Double Net 24 1 $0.00 $27.00 2 vendor 774 12x12 White Single Net 24 1 $0.00 $27.00 2 vendor 522 20x20 Black Double Net 24 1 $0.00 $44.00 2 vendor 529 20x20 Black Single Net 24 1 $0.00 $44.00 2 vendor 521 20x20 Butterfly Frame 24 1 $0.00 $44.00 2 vendor 784 20x20 Double Net White 24 1 $0.00 $45.00 2 vendor 523 20x20 Ears 24 1 $0.00 $5.00 2 vendor 525 20x20 Grifflon 24 1 $0.00 $45.00 2 vendor 785 20x20 Heavy Grid Cloth 24 1 $0.00 $45.00 2 vendor 524 20x20 Light Grid Cloth 24 2 $0.00 $50.00 2 vendor 526 20x20 Muslin Bleached 24 1 $0.00 $85.00 2 vendor 527 20x20 Muslin Unbleached 24 1 $0.00 $60.00 2 vendor 528 20x20 Silk 24 1 $0.00 $45.00 2 vendor 783 20x20 Single Net White 24 1 $0.00 $45.00 2 vendor 530 20x20 Solid 24 1 $0.00 $50.00 2 vendor 819 6x6 Black Double Net 24 1 $0.00 $9.00 2 vendor 817 6x6 Black Silk 24 1 $0.00 $14.00 2 vendor 818 6x6 Black Single Net 24 1 $0.00 $9.00 2 vendor 549 6x6 Butterfly Frame 24 1 $0.00 $11.00 2 vendor 820 6x6 Grifflector Gold Lame 24 1 $0.00 $25.00 2 vendor 821 6x6 Grifflector Silver Lame 24 1 $0.00 $25.00 2 vendor 552 6x6 Grifflon 24 1 $0.00 $17.00 2 vendor 551 6x6 Heavy Grid Cloth 24 1 $0.00 $17.00 2 vendor 816 6x6 Light Grid Cloth 24 1 $0.00 $20.00 2 vendor 553 6x6 Muslin Bleached 24 1 $0.00 $25.00 2 vendor 554 6x6 Muslin Unbleached 24 1 $0.00 $25.00 2 vendor 555 6x6 Silk 24 1 $0.00 $14.00 2 vendor 557 6x6 Solid 24 2 $0.00 $9.00 2 vendor 550 6x6 White Double Net 24 1 $0.00 $14.00 2 vendor 556 6x6 White Single Net 24 1 $0.00 $14.00 2 vendor 803 8x8 Black Double Net 24 1 $0.00 $10.00 2 vendor 805 8x8 Black Silk 24 1 $0.00 $30.00 2 vendor 800 8x8 Black Single Net 24 1 $0.00 $10.00 2 vendor 798 8x8 Butterfly Frame 24 1 $0.00 $12.00 2 vendor 1008 8x8 Ears 24 4 $0.00 $5.00 2 vendor 811 8x8 Grifflector Gold Lame 24 1 $0.00 $40.00 2 vendor 812 8x8 Grifflector Silver Lame 24 1 $0.00 $40.00 2 vendor 806 8x8 Grifflon 24 1 $0.00 $18.00 2 vendor 808 8x8 Heavy Grid 24 1 $0.00 $27.00 2 vendor 807 8x8 Light Grid 24 1 $0.00 $27.00 2 vendor 809 8x8 Muslin Bleached 24 1 $0.00 $26.00 2 vendor 810 8x8 Muslin Unbleached 24 1 $0.00 $26.00 2 vendor 804 8x8 Silk 24 1 $0.00 $20.00 2 vendor 799 8x8 Solid 24 1 $0.00 $13.00 2 vendor 802 8x8 White Double Net 24 1 $0.00 $15.00 2 vendor 801 8x8 White Single Net 24 1 $0.00 $15.00 2 vendor 591 Doorway Dolly 25 2 $0.00 $100.00 2 vendor 599 Hampers Empty 25 1 $128.00 $42.24 2 vendor 1014 Taco Cart 25 0 $0.00 $40.00 2 vendor 656 Western Dolly 25 1 $0.00 $50.00 2 vendor 1002 Chain Pear Link 1/2" 26 1 $13.00 $4.29 2 vendor 1003 Chain Pear Link 3/4" 26 1 $21.00 $6.93 2 vendor 586 Cheeseboro Clamp 1 1/4" 26 1 $28.00 $5.00 2 vendor 981 Cheeseboro Clamp 1" 26 1 $28.00 $5.00 2 vendor 587 Cheeseboro Swivel Clamp 1 1/4" 26 3 $28.00 $5.00 2 vendor 982 Cheeseboro Swivel Clamp 1" 26 1 $28.00 $5.00 2 vendor 1001 Hoist Hooks 3000lb 26 1 $11.00 $3.63 2 vendor 882 INDUSTRIAL SAFETY BELTS 26 1 $11.00 $3.69 2 vendor 879 LIFT SLING 2 TON (1/2"X36") 26 1 $12.00 $3.96 2 vendor 880 LIFT SLING 3 TON 26 1 $14.00 $4.62 2 vendor 881 LIFT SLING 5 TON 26 1 $17.00 $5.61 2 vendor 978 Pipe Batton Clamp 1 1/2" 26 1 $3.00 $0.99 2 vendor 977 Pipe Batton Clamp 1 1/4" 26 1 $3.00 $0.99 2 vendor 980 Pipe Roto Clamps 1 1/2" 26 1 $12.00 $3.96 2 vendor 979 Pipe Roto Clamps 1 1/4" 26 1 $12.00 $3.96 2 vendor 976 Pipe Steel 10' X 1" 26 1 $35.00 $11.55 2 vendor 945 Pipe Steel 20' X1" 26 1 $53.00 $17.49 2 vendor 994 Shackles 1/2" 26 1 $6.00 $1.98 2 vendor 991 Shackles 1/4" 26 1 $1.00 $0.33 2 vendor 993 Shackles 3/8" 26 1 $4.00 $1.32 2 vendor 992 Shackles 5/16" 26 6 $2.00 $0.66 2 vendor 944 Span Set Sling 3' 26 1 $18.00 $5.94 2 vendor 943 Span Set Sling 6' 26 1 $22.00 $7.26 2 vendor 952 SpeedRail #17 Adj. Tee 1 1/4" 26 12 $11.00 $3.63 2 vendor 953 SpeedRail #19 Adj. Cross 1 1/4" 26 12 $20.00 $6.60 2 vendor 954 SpeedRail #21-35 Adj. Cross (10-35deg) 1 1/4" 26 12 $13.00 $4.29 2 vendor 955 SpeedRail #21-45 Adj. Cross (30-45deg) 1 1/4" 26 12 $14.00 $4.62 2 vendor 946 SpeedRail #3 Elbow 1 1/4" 26 12 $8.00 $2.64 2 vendor 947 SpeedRail #3AE Adj. Tee 1 1/4" 26 12 $14.00 $4.62 2 vendor 956 SpeedRail #41 Adj. Flange 1 1/4" 26 12 $10.00 $3.30 2 vendor 957 SpeedRail #43 Rnd. Base Flange 1 1/4" 26 12 $9.00 $2.97 2 vendor 958 SpeedRail #46 Flange 1 1/4" 26 12 $9.00 $2.97 2 vendor 959 SpeedRail #47 Rect. Base Flange 1 1/4" 26 12 $8.00 $2.64 2 vendor 960 SpeedRail #47-AF Angle Flange (55deg) 1 1/4" 26 12 $8.00 $2.64 2 vendor 961 SpeedRail #49 Toe-Board Flange 1 1/4" 26 12 $14.00 $4.62 2 vendor 948 SpeedRail #5 Tee 1 1/4" 26 12 $8.00 $2.64 2 vendor 950 SpeedRail #5-AT Angle Tee 1 1/4" 26 12 $10.00 $3.30 2 vendor 949 SpeedRail #5-E Tee-E 1 1/4" 26 10 $6.00 $1.98 2 vendor 951 SpeedRail #7 Cross 1 1/4" 26 12 $8.00 $2.64 2 vendor 962 SpeedRail (Nu-Rail) #10 Cross 1 1/4" 26 12 $14.00 $4.62 2 vendor 963 SpeedRail (Nu-Rail) #12 Short-Barrel Cross 1 1/4" 26 12 $12.00 $3.96 2 vendor 964 SpeedRail (Nu-Rail) #15 Offset Tee 1 1/4" 26 12 $20.00 $6.60 2 vendor 965 SpeedRail (Nu-Rail) #20 Outside Corner 1 1/4" 26 12 $20.00 $6.60 2 vendor 966 SpeedRail (Nu-Rail) #30 Adj. Cross 1 1/4" 26 12 $26.00 $8.58 2 vendor 967 SpeedRail (Nu-Rail) #30-A Mod. Cross 1 1/4" 26 12 $13.00 $4.29 2 vendor 968 SpeedRail (Nu-Rail) #30-B Swivel 1 1/4" 26 12 $13.00 $4.29 2 vendor 969 SpeedRail (Nu-Rail) #30-C Adj. Swivel 1 1/4" 26 12 $22.00 $7.26 2 vendor 970 SpeedRail (Nu-Rail) #40 Floor Flange 1 1/4" 26 12 $7.00 $2.31 2 vendor 971 SpeedRail (Nu-Rail) #50 Floor Flange 1 1/4" 26 12 $11.00 $3.63 2 vendor 972 SpeedRail (Nu-Rail) #52 Hvy Dty Wall Flange 1 1/4" 26 12 $19.00 $6.27 2 vendor 973 SpeedRail (Rack Master) #14 Split Cross 1 1/4" 26 12 $17.00 $5.61 2 vendor 974 SpeedRail (Rack Master) #70 Coupling 1 1/4" 26 12 $7.00 $2.31 2 vendor 975 SpeedRail PLUG #60 Plug 26 12 $2.00 $0.66 2 vendor 986 Wire Rope 7x19 1/4" x 8000' (1.00/Foot) 26 1 $8,000.00 $2,640.00 2 vendor 983 Wire Rope 7x19 1/8" x 5000' (.55/Foot) 26 1 $2,750.00 $907.50 2 vendor 984 Wire Rope 7x19 3/16" x 2000' (.64/Foot) 26 1 $1,280.00 $422.00 2 vendor 985 Wire Rope 7x19 5/16" x 1000' (1.55/Foot) 26 1 $1,550.00 $511.50 2 vendor 999 Wire Rope Thimbles 1/2" 26 1 $1.00 $0.33 2 vendor 997 Wire Rope Thimbles 1/4" 26 1 $0.45 $0.15 2 vendor 995 Wire Rope Thimbles 1/8" 26 1 $0.45 $0.15 2 vendor 996 Wire Rope Thimbles 3/16" 26 1 $0.45 $0.15 2 vendor 998 Wire Rope Thimbles 3/8" 26 1 $1.00 $0.33 2 vendor 1000 Wire Rope Thimbles 5/8" 26 1 $2.00 $0.66 2 vendor 869 ADJ. CIRCLE HOLE CUTTER 27 2 $8.00 $2.64 2 vendor 735 Adjustable Wrench 10" 27 1 $10.00 $3.30 2 vendor 734 Adjustable Wrench 12" 27 1 $15.00 $4.95 2 vendor 733 Adjustable Wrench 15" 27 1 $23.00 $7.59 2 vendor 736 Adjustable Wrench 8" 27 1 $8.00 $2.64 2 vendor 745 Arrow Brad Gun 27 1 $85.00 $28.05 2 vendor 890 AVIATION TIN SNIPS 27 1 $6.00 $1.98 2 vendor 878 BIT BRACE 27 2 $12.00 $3.96 2 vendor 661 Blades Utility Knife-10ea. 27 1 $4.00 $4.00 2 vendor 771 Bolt Cutter 24" 27 1 $50.00 $16.50 2 vendor 889 BOLT CUTTER 30" 27 1 $65.00 $21.45 2 vendor 772 Bolt Cutter 36" 27 1 $82.00 $27.00 2 vendor 731 Broom 27 2 $22.00 $7.26 2 vendor 892 CABLE BOOSTER 400 AMP 27 1 $13.00 $0.00 2 vendor 903 Cable Cutter 3/16" 27 1 $30.00 $9.90 2 vendor 902 Cable Cutter 5/8" x24" 27 1 $165.00 $54.45 2 vendor 896 CABLE LOCK 36" 27 1 $9.00 $2.97 2 vendor 929 Casters 6" 27 1 $45.00 $14.85 2 vendor 935 C-Clamp 2 1/2" 27 1 $5.00 $1.65 2 vendor 769 Chain Vice Grip 27 1 $24.00 $8.00 2 vendor 725 Chalk Line 27 1 $10.00 $3.00 2 vendor 899 CHALK REEL 27 1 $5.00 $2.00 2 vendor 900 CHALK REFILL 27 1 $3.00 $1.00 2 vendor 766 Channel Lock 27 1 $18.00 $6.00 2 vendor 739 Chisel set 27 1 $20.00 $6.60 2 vendor 910 Circular Saw 7 1/4" 27 1 $147.00 $48.51 2 vendor 749 Circular Saw assorted blades 27 1 $12.00 $4.00 2 vendor 748 Circular Saw Carbide Blades 27 1 $25.00 $8.00 2 vendor 936 Clamp Deep Jaw 46" 27 1 $48.00 $15.84 2 vendor 898 COMBINATION PADLOCK 27 1 $19.00 $6.27 2 vendor 746 Cordless Drill and Charger 27 1 $140.00 $46.20 2 vendor 747 Cordless Drill Batteries 27 1 $40.00 $13.20 2 vendor 728 Crow Bars 18" 27 1 $10.00 $3.30 2 vendor 729 Crow Bars 24" 27 1 $12.00 $3.96 2 vendor 727 Crow Bars 36" 27 1 $22.00 $7.26 2 vendor 753 D-Handled Router 27 1 $260.00 $85.80 2 vendor 750 Drill Bits, Metal 27 1 $50.00 $15.00 2 vendor 911 Drill Electric 1/2" 27 1 $125.00 $41.00 2 vendor 921 Drill Electric Hammer 1/2" 27 1 $175.00 $57.75 2 vendor 893 ELECTRIC ENGRAVER 27 1 $20.00 $6.60 2 vendor 883 EMERGENCY TOW ROPE 27 1 $4.00 $1.32 2 vendor 870 FLEXIBLE INSP MIRROR 27 1 $8.00 $2.64 2 vendor 732 Garbage Cans/Wheels/55 Gal. 27 1 $65.00 $21.45 2 vendor 919 Grinder 4" 27 1 $127.00 $41.95 2 vendor 920 Grinder 4" Grind/Cutting Wheel 27 1 $6.00 $1.98 2 vendor 917 Grinder 9" 27 1 $168.00 $55.44 2 vendor 918 Grinder 9" Disc 27 1 $6.00 $1.98 2 vendor 924 Gromet Set 1/2" 27 1 $39.00 $12.87 2 vendor 744 Gromet set 1/4" 27 1 $18.00 $5.94 2 vendor 923 Gromet Set 3/8" 27 1 $22.00 $7.26 2 vendor 925 Gromet Set 5/8" 27 1 $62.00 $20.46 2 vendor 726 Hammers 27 1 $11.00 $3.63 2 vendor 928 Hamper Bushel 27 1 $128.00 $42.24 2 vendor 877 HAND DRILL 1/4" 27 1 $15.00 $4.95 2 vendor 755 Hand Saw 10pt 27 1 $30.00 $9.90 2 vendor 754 Hand Saw 8pt 27 1 $30.00 $9.90 2 vendor 926 Hand Truck (Cart) 27 1 $140.00 $46.20 2 vendor 894 HASP 27 1 $2.00 $0.66 2 vendor 770 Heat Gun (Bosch) 27 1 $94.00 $31.02 2 vendor 737 Hex Key set/fold up 27 1 $16.00 $5.28 2 vendor 887 IMPACT DRIVER WITH BITS (Sm. Hand) 27 1 $130.00 $45.00 2 vendor 931 Impact Gun 1/2" Bosch 27 1 $160.00 $52.80 2 vendor 916 Jig Saw Blade 27 1 $3.00 $1.00 2 vendor 915 Jig Saw Bosch 27 1 $135.00 $44.00 2 vendor 927 Kit Box (Case) 27 1 $48.00 $15.00 2 vendor 757 Levels 2' 27 1 $18.00 $5.94 2 vendor 756 Levels 3' 27 1 $42.00 $13.86 2 vendor 758 Levels 48" 27 1 $110.00 $36.30 2 vendor 871 MAGNETIC BAR 27 1 $3.00 $0.99 2 vendor 904 Nicro Press 1/16" 27 2 $72.00 $23.76 2 vendor 908 Nicro Press 1/4" 27 1 $160.00 $52.80 2 vendor 906 Nicro Press 1/8" 27 1 $80.00 $26.40 2 vendor 907 Nicro Press 3/16" 27 1 $80.00 $26.40 2 vendor 905 Nicro Press 3/32" 27 1 $72.00 $23.76 2 vendor 909 Nicro Press 5/16" 27 1 $160.00 $52.80 2 vendor 989 Nicro Press Sleeve 1/4" 27 1 $1.00 $0.33 2 vendor 987 Nicro Press Sleeve 1/8" 27 1 $0.50 $0.17 2 vendor 988 Nicro Press Sleeve 3/16" 27 1 $1.00 $0.33 2 vendor 990 Nicro Press Sleeve 5/16" 27 1 $1.00 $0.33 2 vendor 875 OFFSET SCREWDRIVER SET 27 1 $40.00 $13.20 2 vendor 765 Open End/Box wrench set 27 1 $120.00 $39.60 2 vendor 897 PADLOCK STEEL WITH 3PCS 27 1 $23.00 $7.59 2 vendor 761 Pipe Wrench Aluminum 18" 27 1 $62.00 $20.46 2 vendor 759 Pipe Wrench Aluminum 24" 27 1 $90.00 $29.70 2 vendor 760 Pipe Wrench Steel 24" 27 1 $42.00 $13.86 2 vendor 768 Pliers 27 1 $9.00 $3.00 2 vendor 912 Porta-Band 27 1 $480.00 $158.40 2 vendor 876 PRECISION SCREWDRIVERS SET 27 1 $50.00 $16.50 2 vendor 933 Ratchet 1/2" Deep Sockets (Impact) 27 1 $58.00 $19.00 2 vendor 934 Ratchet 1/2" Impact Sockets 27 1 $46.00 $15.00 2 vendor 939 Ratchet Belt (Strap) 1" x 25' 27 1 $22.00 $7.26 2 vendor 940 Ratchet Belt (Strap) 1" x 25' Heavy 27 1 $38.00 $12.00 2 vendor 942 Ratchet Belt (Strap) 2" x 15' 27 1 $80.00 $26.40 2 vendor 941 Ratchet Belt (Strap) 2" x 40' 27 1 $96.00 $31.68 2 vendor 886 RATCHET SCREWDRIVER SET 27 1 $4.00 $1.32 2 vendor 764 Ratchet set 1/2" 27 1 $80.00 $26.40 2 vendor 762 Ratchet set 1/4" 27 1 $32.00 $10.56 2 vendor 763 Ratchet set 3/8" 27 2 $48.00 $15.84 2 vendor 751 Router 3hp 27 1 $350.00 $115.50 2 vendor 752 Router Bits, assorted 27 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 913 Sawzall 2 speed 27 1 $189.00 $62.00 2 vendor 914 Sawzall Blades 27 1 $5.00 $1.65 2 vendor 891 SCREW EYES ASSORTMENT 27 1 $10.00 $3.30 2 vendor 722 Screwdriver Set 27 1 $118.00 $38.94 2 vendor 730 Shovels 27 1 $25.00 $8.25 2 vendor 721 Side Cutters 27 1 $11.00 $3.63 2 vendor 743 Sledge Hammer 27 1 $15.00 $4.95 2 vendor 872 SPONGE/RUBBER SQUEEGEE 27 1 $1.00 $0.33 2 vendor 723 Squares 27 1 $25.00 $8.25 2 vendor 932 Staple Gun Electric Arrow 27 1 $62.00 $20.46 2 vendor 895 STEEL HASP 27 1 $5.00 $1.65 2 vendor 922 Tap Con Drive Set 27 1 $55.00 $18.15 2 vendor 740 Tape Measure 100' 27 1 $23.00 $7.59 2 vendor 742 Tape Measure 25' 27 1 $17.00 $5.61 2 vendor 741 Tape Measure 50' 27 1 $16.00 $5.28 2 vendor 738 T-Handle allen 3/16" 27 1 $5.00 $1.65 2 vendor 930 Tool Box 27x54x72 27 1 $1,200.00 $396.00 2 vendor 724 Tri-Squares 27 1 $9.00 $3.00 2 vendor 873 TUBE BENDER 27 1 $8.00 $2.64 2 vendor 874 TUBE BENDER LEVER TYPE 27 1 $24.00 $7.92 2 vendor 888 UTILITY KNIFE 27 1 $3.00 $1.00 2 vendor 767 Vice Grip (regular) 27 1 $12.00 $3.96 2 vendor 657 Alum. Foil (silver) 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 658 Bead Board 4x8 (silver back) 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 659 Blackwrap 12"x50' 28 1 $27.00 $0.00 22 Lee Filters USA 660 Blackwrap 24"x50' 28 1 $27.00 $0.00 22 Lee Filters USA 662 Drywall Screws 1 1/4" 1000 28 1 $10.95 $0.00 23 Prince Lumber Co. 664 Drywall Screws 1 5/8" lb 28 1 $3.95 $0.00 23 Prince Lumber Co. 665 Drywall Screws 1" lb 28 1 $3.95 $0.00 23 Prince Lumber Co. 666 Drywall Screws 2 1/2" lb 28 1 $3.95 $0.00 23 Prince Lumber Co. 667 Drywall Screws 2 1/4" lb 28 1 $3.95 $0.00 23 Prince Lumber Co. 669 Drywall Screws 2" lb 28 1 $3.95 $0.00 23 Prince Lumber Co. 670 Drywall Screws 3" lb 28 1 $3.95 $0.00 23 Prince Lumber Co. 1285 Drywall Screws 3/4" lb 28 1 $3.95 $0.00 23 Prince Lumber Co. 1300 Duvatyne 54"W 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 671 Foamcore 4x8 b&w 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 1295 Foamcore 4x8 black 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 1299 Furniture Polish (lemon pledge) 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 673 Hemp 1/2" 1250' 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 1301 Hemp 1/4" 1200' 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 674 Hemp 3/8" 600' 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 675 Nails 10d CC 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 676 Nails 10d Common lb 28 1 $2.95 $0.00 23 Prince Lumber Co. 677 Nails 10d Double Headed 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 678 Nails 10d Finishing 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 679 Nails 12d CC 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 680 Nails 12d Common lb 28 1 $2.95 $0.00 23 Prince Lumber Co. 681 Nails 12d Finishing 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 682 Nails 4d CC 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 683 Nails 4d Common lb 28 1 $2.95 $0.00 23 Prince Lumber Co. 684 Nails 4d Finishing lb 28 1 $2.95 $0.00 23 Prince Lumber Co. 685 Nails 6d CC 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 686 Nails 6d Common 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 687 Nails 6d Finishing 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 688 Nails 8d CC 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 689 Nails 8d Common 28 1 $2.95 $0.00 23 Prince Lumber Co. 690 Nails 8d Double Headed 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 691 Nails 8d Finishing 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 692 Rubber Bands (large) 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 693 Safety Pins (large) 28 12 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 1296 Sash Cord #10 100' black 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 694 Sash Cord #10 100' white 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 1297 Sash Cord #8 100' black 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 695 Sash Cord #8 100' white 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 696 Showcard (black and white) 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 5 Barbizon Electric 1289 Showcard (gold florentine) 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 1290 Showcard (gold matte) 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 1291 Showcard (gold shiny) 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 1292 Showcard (silver florentine) 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 1293 Showcard (silver matte) 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 1294 Showcard (silver shiny) 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 697 Staples 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 698 Staples T-50 1/2" 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 699 Staples T-50 1/4" 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 701 Staples T-50 3/8" 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 702 Staples T-50 5/16" 28 2 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 1298 Staples T-50 9/16" 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 703 Staples T-50 Ceiling Tile 28 2 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 704 Tape 1" Black Paper 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 705 Tape 2" Black Paper 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 706 Tape 2" Clear 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 707 Tape Black Gaffers 2" 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 708 Tape Grey Gaffers 2" 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 709 Tape Masking 1" 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 1302 Tape Photo Black 2" 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 710 Tape White 1" (camera) 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 711 Trickline (black) 750' 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 712 Trickline (white) 750' 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 850 Upson Board 4'x8'x1/8" 28 1 $0.00 $0.00 2 vendor 717 5/4 Batton Clear 16' ( 5 ea.) 29 4 $0.00 $0.00 3 LeNoble Lumber 716 1x12x16 Clear 29 1 $80.00 $0.00 3 LeNoble Lumber 848 1x2x16 29 1 $5.00 $0.00 3 LeNoble Lumber 849 1x4x16 29 1 $10.50 $0.00 3 LeNoble Lumber 715 2x12x16' 29 2 $30.00 $0.00 3 LeNoble Lumber 713 2x4x16' 29 1 $13.00 $0.00 23 Prince Lumber Co. 714 2x6x16' 29 1 $15.00 $0.00 3 LeNoble Lumber 901 4x8x1" Plywood AC 29 1 $0.00 $0.00 23 Prince Lumber Co. 847 4x8x1/4 Plywood AC 29 1 $0.00 $0.00 3 LeNoble Lumber 720 4x8x1/4" Masonite Tempered 29 1 $22.00 $0.00 23 Prince Lumber Co. 718 4x8x3/4" Plywood AC 29 1 $49.00 $0.00 3 LeNoble Lumber 719 4x8x3/4" Plywood Birch 29 1 $56.00 $0.00 23 Prince Lumber Co. 1075 1 Light Fey 30 3 $0.00 $11.50 20 Mole Richardson 1045 10" 2K Complete 30 2 $0.00 $22.50 2 vendor 1082 12 Light Moleeno 30 2 $0.00 $250.00 20 Mole Richardson 1041 1K Focal Spot 30 2 $0.00 $27.50 2 vendor 1076 2 Light Fey 30 2 $0.00 $16.00 2 vendor 1055 20K Dimmer 30 1 $0.00 $50.00 2 vendor 1054 20K Ext Cable 30 2 $0.00 $10.00 2 vendor 1084 24 Light Dino Light 30 3 $0.00 $500.00 2 vendor 1066 2K Ziplight 30 2 $0.00 $24.00 2 vendor 1067 2K Ziplight Eggcrate 30 2 $0.00 $23.50 2 vendor 1077 4 Light Fey 30 2 $0.00 $20.00 2 vendor 1078 5 Light Fey 30 2 $0.00 $19.50 2 vendor 1071 5/2K Skypan 30 2 $0.00 $21.00 2 vendor 1072 5/2K Skypan Skirt 30 2 $0.00 $10.00 2 vendor 1044 8" 2K Spot 30 2 $0.00 $22.50 2 vendor 1079 9 Light Fey 30 2 $0.00 $28.50 2 vendor 1083 9 Light Maxi Brute 30 2 $0.00 $50.00 2 vendor 1049 Baby 10K Complete 30 2 $0.00 $47.50 2 vendor 1050 Baby 10K Snoot Set 30 2 $0.00 $10.00 2 vendor 1040 Baby 1K Snoot Set 30 2 $0.00 $4.50 2 vendor 1039 Baby 1K Spot Complete 30 2 $0.00 $17.25 2 vendor 1043 Baby 2K Snoot Set 30 2 $0.00 $5.50 2 vendor 1042 Baby 2K Spot Complete 30 2 $0.00 $22.50 2 vendor 1069 Baby 4K Eggcrate 30 1 $0.00 $26.50 2 vendor 1068 Baby 4K Softlite 30 2 $0.00 $30.00 2 vendor 1046 Baby 5K Complete 30 2 $0.00 $33.50 2 vendor 1047 Baby 5K Snoot Set 30 2 $0.00 $6.50 2 vendor 1038 Baby Baby Snoot Set 30 2 $0.00 $4.50 2 vendor 1037 Baby Baby Spot Complete 30 2 $0.00 $17.00 2 vendor 1064 Baby Softlite 30 2 $0.00 $12.50 2 vendor 1065 Baby Softlite Eggcrate 30 2 $0.00 $9.00 2 vendor 1052 Big Eye Complete 30 1 $0.00 $65.00 2 vendor 1063 Cyclight 1K - 1.5K 30 2 $0.00 $14.00 2 vendor 1061 Dedo Light Kit 150W 30 2 $0.00 $175.00 2 vendor 1031 Inkie Complete 30 2 $0.00 $12.50 2 vendor 1033 Inkie Focal Spot 30 2 $0.00 $18.50 2 vendor 1032 Inkie Snoot Set 30 2 $0.00 $4.00 2 vendor 1070 Lowell Light Kit 30 2 $0.00 $17.50 2 vendor 1056 LTM Pepper 100 30 2 $0.00 $12.00 2 vendor 1057 LTM Pepper 200 30 2 $0.00 $16.00 2 vendor 1058 Mickey Mole Complete 30 2 $0.00 $17.50 2 vendor 1059 Mighty Mole Complete 30 2 $0.00 $22.50 2 vendor 1080 Mole Par 30 2 $0.00 $18.00 2 vendor 1062 Nooklight 1K 30 2 $0.00 $14.00 2 vendor 1081 Par Can Theatrical 30 2 $0.00 $12.00 2 vendor 1060 Source 4 Leiko (19,26,36,50 deg) 30 2 $0.00 $31.00 2 vendor 1073 Space Light Complete 30 2 $0.00 $50.00 2 vendor 1074 Space Light Silk Skirt 30 2 $0.00 $10.50 2 vendor 1051 Studio 10K Complete 30 2 $0.00 $55.00 2 vendor 1053 Studio 20K Complete 30 2 $0.00 $450.00 2 vendor 1048 Studio 5K Complete 30 2 $0.00 $30.00 2 vendor 1036 Tweenie Focal Spot 30 2 $0.00 $15.00 2 vendor 1034 Tweenie Mole Complete 30 2 $0.00 $16.25 2 vendor 1035 Tweenie Snoot Set 30 2 $0.00 $5.00 2 vendor 1102 Diva Light 31 1 $0.00 $125.00 2 vendor 1100 Image 80 32k 31 1 $0.00 $200.00 2 vendor 1101 Image 80 55k 31 1 $0.00 $200.00 2 vendor 1106 Kino Blanketlight 31 1 $0.00 $450.00 2 vendor 1107 Kino Bulb 2' 32k 31 1 $0.00 $5.00 2 vendor 1108 Kino Bulb 2' 55k 31 1 $0.00 $5.00 2 vendor 1109 Kino Bulb 4' 32k 31 1 $0.00 $5.00 2 vendor 1110 Kino Bulb 4' 55k 31 1 $0.00 $5.00 2 vendor 1098 Kino Flo 15" 1 Light 32k 31 1 $0.00 $125.00 2 vendor 1099 Kino Flo 15" 1 Light 55k 31 1 $0.00 $125.00 2 vendor 1086 Kino Flo 2' 1 Light 32k 31 4 $0.00 $45.00 2 vendor 1087 Kino Flo 2' 1 Light 55k 31 1 $0.00 $45.00 2 vendor 1088 Kino Flo 2' 2 Light 32k 31 1 $0.00 $45.00 2 vendor 1089 Kino Flo 2' 2 Light 55k 31 1 $0.00 $45.00 2 vendor 1090 Kino Flo 2' 4 Light 32k 31 1 $0.00 $75.00 2 vendor 1091 Kino Flo 2' 4 Light 55k 31 1 $0.00 $75.00 2 vendor 1092 Kino Flo 4' 1 Light 32k 31 1 $0.00 $50.00 2 vendor 1093 Kino Flo 4' 1 Light 55k 31 1 $0.00 $50.00 2 vendor 1094 Kino Flo 4' 2 Light 32k 31 1 $0.00 $75.00 2 vendor 1095 Kino Flo 4' 2 Light 55k 31 1 $0.00 $75.00 2 vendor 1096 Kino Flo 4' 4 Light 32k 31 1 $0.00 $90.00 2 vendor 1097 Kino Flo 4' 4 Light 55k 31 1 $0.00 $90.00 2 vendor 1104 Micro Flo Kit 31 1 $0.00 $50.00 2 vendor 1103 Mini Flo Kit 31 1 $0.00 $50.00 2 vendor 1105 Wall Of Lights 31 1 $0.00 $225.00 2 vendor 1130 HMI Fresnel 1200 W Mag 32 1 $0.00 $115.00 2 vendor 1131 HMI Fresnel 1200 W SqW 32 2 $0.00 $200.00 2 vendor 1138 HMI Fresnel 12000 W SqW 32 1 $0.00 $750.00 2 vendor 1139 HMI Fresnel 18000 W SqW 32 1 $0.00 $950.00 2 vendor 1126 HMI Fresnel 200 W Mag 32 1 $0.00 $92.00 2 vendor 1127 HMI Fresnel 200 W SqW 32 1 $0.00 $92.00 2 vendor 1132 HMI Fresnel 2500 W Mag 32 1 $0.00 $160.00 2 vendor 1133 HMI Fresnel 2500 W SqW 32 3 $0.00 $250.00 2 vendor 1134 HMI Fresnel 4000 W Mag 32 1 $0.00 $195.00 2 vendor 1135 HMI Fresnel 4000 W SqW 32 2 $0.00 $315.00 2 vendor 1128 HMI Fresnel 575 W Mag 32 1 $0.00 $95.00 2 vendor 1129 HMI Fresnel 575 W SqW 32 1 $0.00 $150.00 2 vendor 1136 HMI Fresnel 6000 W Mag 32 1 $0.00 $380.00 2 vendor 1137 HMI Fresnel 6000 W SqW 32 1 $0.00 $450.00 2 vendor 1116 HMI Par 1200 W Mag 32 1 $0.00 $125.00 2 vendor 1117 HMI Par 1200 W SqW 32 1 $0.00 $250.00 2 vendor 1125 HMI Par 12000 W SqW 32 1 $0.00 $750.00 2 vendor 1111 HMI Par 125 W Pocket Par 32 1 $0.00 $100.00 2 vendor 1112 HMI Par 200 W Mag 32 1 $0.00 $92.00 2 vendor 1113 HMI Par 200 W SqW 32 1 $0.00 $150.00 2 vendor 1118 HMI Par 2500 W Mag 32 1 $0.00 $275.00 2 vendor 1119 HMI Par 2500 W SqW 32 1 $0.00 $500.00 2 vendor 1120 HMI Par 4000 W Mag 32 1 $0.00 $400.00 2 vendor 1121 HMI Par 4000 W SqW 32 1 $0.00 $750.00 2 vendor 1114 HMI Par 575 W Mag 32 1 $0.00 $95.00 2 vendor 1115 HMI Par 575 W SqW 32 1 $0.00 $200.00 2 vendor 1122 HMI Par 6000 W Mag 32 1 $0.00 $500.00 2 vendor 1123 HMI Par 6000 W SqW 32 1 $0.00 $750.00 2 vendor 1155 Chimeras Daylight 10K 33 3 $0.00 $100.00 2 vendor 1157 Chimeras Daylight 20K 33 1 $0.00 $150.00 2 vendor 1151 Chimeras Daylight 2K 33 1 $0.00 $50.00 2 vendor 1153 Chimeras Daylight 5K 33 1 $0.00 $75.00 2 vendor 1156 Chimeras Quartz 10K 33 1 $0.00 $100.00 2 vendor 1158 Chimeras Quartz 20K 33 1 $0.00 $150.00 2 vendor 1152 Chimeras Quartz 2K 33 1 $0.00 $50.00 2 vendor 1154 Chimeras Quartz 5K 33 1 $0.00 $75.00 2 vendor 1159 Zenon 1K 34 1 $0.00 $300.00 2 vendor 1160 Zenon 2K 34 1 $0.00 $300.00 2 vendor 1164 Zenon 2K Super Trooper 34 1 $0.00 $400.00 2 vendor 1161 Zenon 4K 34 1 $0.00 $450.00 2 vendor 1162 Zenon 7K 34 1 $0.00 $650.00 2 vendor 1163 Zenon Flashlight 34 1 $0.00 $125.00 2 vendor 1173 #2 50' 5 Wire Banded 35 1 $0.00 $30.00 2 vendor 1172 #2 Single Strand 50' (ground) 35 1 $0.00 $10.00 2 vendor 1165 100A 5 Wire Trico Tie-Ins 35 1 $0.00 $15.00 2 vendor 1193 100A Bates Extension 100' 35 1 $0.00 $14.00 2 vendor 1191 100A Bates Extension 25' 35 1 $0.00 $9.00 2 vendor 1192 100A Bates Extension 50' 35 1 $0.00 $11.00 2 vendor 1198 100A Fem to Camlock 35 1 $0.00 $10.00 2 vendor 1203 100A Lunch Box 35 1 $0.00 $25.00 2 vendor 1199 100A Male to Camlock 35 1 $0.00 $10.00 2 vendor 1194 100A to 100A twofer 35 1 $0.00 $10.00 2 vendor 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27. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
able123 Nov 23, 2011 2:04 PM (in response to able123)I just reviewed my 'database" list..above...and realized I mispelled some items ( like nicopress )...etc.
also, to avoid confusion the "qty" column has nothing to do with price or rental.. the price and rental is for 1 item of said item...
I was sorta teaching myself asp.net web app stuff back when I did this thing... and the qty column in sql server was for inventory testing ... like as if this could be a useable app for equip vendors etc..
so this entry for example
1086 Kino Flo 2' 1 Light 32k 31 4 $0.00 $45.00 2 vendor is a qty of " 4 " in the inventory, but the price and rental is for 1 such item.. its not totalled ...etc.
just to get it straight.
in case someone wants to hire me to make a real app that we can sell to the world as a cool film makers " database ".
or you can just use it yourself.. do it.... make it work... cause the manufacturers and prices are what they are worldwide... you just ship the stuff to where you need it etc... how cool is THAT ???
PS... also.. the "vendor" field in the database table can be linked to html ( website of vendor etc ) soooo, the theory was that they would become subscribers ( money to pay for deployment of app ) and you could then basically order stuff straight from ' THEM" ...through that link.
oh well... it never worked out due to problems with my shopping cart code being too cumbersome ... cause basically you have to check items off and put qty down and do it fast ...and get bid etc... fast.. and doing it by fax and paper was actually ' FASTER" than using the web page app...
I never did figure out how to program the thing (asp.net, sql , vb etc ) to be faster than doing it with paper and fax.
pps... one more note... re: database of equip etc... and links to manufacturers , vendors etc... my brother ( a programmer ) did say that with the cloud and ms silverlight this is a lot more " potentially" doable.. in case someone here has a brilliant idea to make it work.
imagine...you are a producer and moving around different countries to shoot a film and want a fast estimate re: cost of equip in those locations..
how cool is that ?? otherwise its the same old story.. production meetings with script, keys, everyone, going over scene by scene, making suggestions etc... then handing in "list" of stuff needed ( paper ) and then production has to actually get those numbers via fax and so on ( shipping costs etc ).. just to get a ballpark figure for cost.
this is one instance where internet is helpful potentially... but re: editing the product you must be joking ... if you think the cloud is a good idea ...hehe...ITS BEER THIRTY ...happy thanksgiving !
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28. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
the_wine_snob Nov 23, 2011 3:05 PM (in response to Todd_Kopriva)Todd,
Does the same hold for the Subscription license, which was part of my comment?
Hunt
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29. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
Todd_KoprivaNov 23, 2011 3:17 PM (in response to the_wine_snob)
I can't give away too many technical details of this future release, but I can reassure you that the activation process will allow for the use of means other than having the computer connected to the Internet.
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30. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
the_wine_snob Nov 23, 2011 3:23 PM (in response to Todd_Kopriva)Todd,
Thank you.
Happy Thanksgiving,
Hunt
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31. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
able123 Nov 23, 2011 4:08 PM (in response to Todd_Kopriva)===========
I can't give away too many technical details of this future release, but I can reassure you that the activation process will allow for the use of means other than having the computer connected to the Internet.
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thanks Todd.. like most programs of the past people depend on.. you pay for it, you get it installed and working properly as advertised, and you use it ....thereby concluding the inherent " promise" of both parties.
end of story.
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32. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
Paul_Taylor Nov 24, 2011 1:14 AM (in response to TradeWind)People who just purchased that $800 upgrade for the master collection get to use that effectively forever with not another time dropped. In 16 months, they will be able to upgrade to CS6 if they want, and have been no worse for the wear. Likewise, I would assume that most people who just now purchased CS5.5 would NOT be upgrading for another $800 in 6 months anyway (when CS6 comes out) so the whole discussion on that matter really falls apart. But even if they DID upgrade, it would cost them $800+$800 over the next 16 months as opposed to $800+$500 under the new plan. That's a savings of $300 in your scenario.
Woooow - big mistake
Old policy - dont have to pay to go to 5.5 upgrade - go straight to version 6
thats a saving of $800!
New policy - 'forced' to upgrade if you want to continue to upgrade and own outright.
On a side note CJ - you are obviously an Adobe evangelist and nothing here is going to sway you from your path and no doubt you will write another reply to this so I'll just get a few more notes in this one as I don't want to carry on saying the same thing - Adobe should be listening to customers, not screwing every last penny they can out of them. Others see it different and that OK, but not me.
If the cloud option were a new option and the old upgrade path was maintained - I'd be happy. The big issue for me is the upgrade or loose it blunt force trauma approach to pull in revenue. Adobe we're pulled over the coals a while back over customer service and it looks like they've just found another way to upset thousands of users - I'm definitely one.
Bottom line, let's agree to disagree.
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33. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
TradeWind Nov 24, 2011 3:38 AM (in response to Paul_Taylor)We can agree to disagree, of course I already thought that was a bit of a foregone conclusion, but nonetheless, you are correct - I will write another reply (although "Adobe evangelist"...? Not sure that's true. I believe that would entitle me to a paycheck).
Should be noted that this "new policy" is not new at all. Only over the last couple years - literally, the last couple of years - has Adobe allowed people to upgrade effectively from any previous versions. They have been doing that in order to get people back into the upgrade cycle. There were plenty of people still using Photoshop 7 and so they removed one of the barriers (cost) that might have been preventing them from upgrading so many versions in the past.
But understand, Adobe wants to give a certain additional benefit to customers who HAVE been upgrading every single version. I think most people would agree that maintaining an annual upgrade as a customer "should" entitle a person to a better benefit than someone who only upgrades every 4 years, correct? That is what Adobe is doing.
As for listening to customers, look around and tell me what Avid and Apple are doing. Have they been listening to customers? Avid has been putting the screws into even their most loyal customers for decades, and although their product has always been quite good (albeit, in different ways from Adobe or Apple), they have been rather ruthless. Apple, of course, is the most notorious offender when it comes to listening to it's customers - at least their professional video customers. They continue to say things like "we know what people want" and "we think this is a better way to work." Adobe, on the other hand, constantly interacts with their customers and openly accepts both bug requests and feature requests. They really do everything they can to keep offering a solid product at a good price.
The reason I keep defending Adobe (without pay, I might remind you) is because - as I said earlier - they don't deserve to be accused of "putting the screws in" and not listening to their customers. To borrow your line, "Woooow - big mistake."
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34. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
R Popham Nov 25, 2011 2:50 PM (in response to TradeWind)>Should be noted that this "new policy" is not new at all. Only over the last couple years - literally, the last couple of years - has Adobe allowed people to upgrade effectively from any previous versions. They have been doing that in order to get people back into the upgrade cycle. There were plenty of people still using Photoshop 7 and so they removed one of the barriers (cost) that might have been preventing them from upgrading so many versions in the past.<
Huh? Adobe's upgrade policy was always "Upgrade from ANY version". At version CS3 they restricted it to "Upgrade from 3 versions back". Now we'll have to upgrade to EVERY new version to remain eligible.
And if what Todd is saying about the .5 versions is accurate, we'll also need those upgrades to keep our eligibilty.
While you may not want to describe the situation as "putting the screws in", customers who have planned their upgrades on the previous policy, and are now being told to pony up for an unexpected upgrade near CS5's end of life, are feeling every turn.
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35. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
able123 Nov 25, 2011 4:07 PM (in response to R Popham)this is really about metrics and forecasts and market share and demographics ( related to various source files like gopro, snakecams, dslr, avchd, and so on and so forth...)
this has NOTHING to do with individuals , long time customers, whats right or wrong re: indidual needs or desires.
this corp is like a giant iceberg that is floating along... in a historical context re: its products and competitors and market share and share price and management ability ( ability to shape the future for profit ).. it has nothing to do with any specific group of users or level of use ( hobby, pro, semi pro etc ).
what the employees of adobe have to look at for their own sake is the impication to THEM as employees. Its not about help ( forums, telephone help, etc which this forum is a part of ). Its not about how " cool " the ads look for products and the promises made for product vs reality ( bugs ).
it is basically what YOU make of it at this point. Decide what you need to do the job you need to do .. the tools you need for say the next 5 years or so with the clients you either have or hope to have ...
do that. you dont need someone else dictating some " period of time" for upgrades or bug fixes. You dont need someone outside of your 'business" or " hobby" to dictate what you can or cant do. Just make up your mind what you need and do that... nobody is your " friend " ...is going to help you down the road to make better quality stuff and need less plug ins and workarounds and re-wrapping of files and all that stuff...
to expect adobe to care about you individually as customers is just plain altruistic to the extreme. The company is huge and unwieldy.. and bloated and the real estate alone ( office space etc ) is draining them dry...
The employees ( if they didnt get it when help went to india a while back ) will end up between a rock and a hard place when it comes to their own futures... its not YOUR problem as a customer.
I haven't worked on a single pro movie job ( like a real movie you see in the theatre ?? ) that uses premiere pro. For anything. That is their market share in the real world. It isn't going to get better with this new upgrade thing and the cloud. Any pro editing program that uses the cloud for installation and use of program... has to be destined for failure. High school students might like it .. but I dont think anyone else will. I just dont care either.
this thread isnt about customers and what they need or want to bring adobe into the pro world. this was decided and planned way before fcp screwed up and some mac users came to premiere... its an iceberg on the move.. looking at the future... and trust me.. the future is not the web... or the cloud for pros.
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36. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
Todd_KoprivaNov 25, 2011 4:15 PM (in response to able123)
> if they didnt get it when help went to india a while back
I don't know where you get your information, but much of it is wrong. The person who does the Help for Premiere Pro (Kevin) is not in India.
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37. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
able123 Nov 25, 2011 4:25 PM (in response to Todd_Kopriva)Todd, I hope all my information is wrong...for your sake and the sake of the company.
honest...
I welcome being totally wrong.
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38. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
able123 Nov 25, 2011 4:36 PM (in response to able123)ps
todd
if you can afford to fly to nyc and get a hotel room for a week.. I will personally guarantee that I will take you to every single stage in nyc ( on my own.. no need to get production permissions etc ).. and if you see one single instance of premiere pro being used on set I will eat my hat
that said, you will soon figure out im sure how to fix that problem ( if its a problem at all ).
you might have to reimburse me for gas and tolls etc as we travel around.... as I am currently unemployed and money is tight... but other than that... you have my guarantee... we visit sets and you get the real deal.
ps.
on pan am tv ( soon to be cancelled probably ) you will maybe see maya
on boardwalk empire you will ( it starts shooting next week I think ) see maya
you wont see ae
you will see fcp
thats it, period. if you know someone in hollywood its the same thing.. cause the people here are living in nyc and hollywood ... and working out of both places ..and send the stuff for editing to both coasts overnight etc... not using premiere pro.
no offense but get with it already... if you want the market share ... go there and get it... and stop this nonsense about upgrades that hurt all the little people ( those like me with no clue whats really up )
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39. Re: New upgrade policy for Adobe products
TradeWind Nov 26, 2011 6:28 AM (in response to able123)First off, I can assure you that Adobe has been all over the US for the last year working with various production facilities testing out Premiere Pro. There is a very large producer here in Atlanta with offices in New York and they have used AE extensively for years. They've also been on Avid and FCP seats for a few years, but they are (surprise surprise!) getting ready to roll over to Premeire Pro and the Creative Suite.
Likewise, After Effects is in use all over the place. It's a fact.
Now you and I may be talking about different kinds of productions, but even still, you cannot make such blanket statements. It'd be one thing if you claimed "very few places" as using Premiere Pro or AE. But you're offering a tour of places that would 100% exclude any use of these tools, and I think you maybe just aren't aware of all that goes on in every single production facility.
There are very few absolutes in anything. And regardless of what is in use today, right now, this week....the tide has certainly turned against Apple, and Avid is not exactly on solid ground (though time will tell very soon). Adobe has momentum, and it's the same momentum that Apple had in the late 90's when everyone was saying "Avid is everywhere...you really think everyone's just going to switch off?"
So don't make the mistake of thinking that past (or current) results are any kind of future outcomes. It's rarely true in anything, let alone technology.