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    Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?

    m.kellerman

      When delivering pdfs for print most of the time they want every page as a separate document.

       

      I know that I can export the entire document as one pdf and then use Acrobat to split the document into separate pages.

       

      But I just can't wrap my head around the fact that InDesign by the end of 2011 still won't let me achieve the same result without having to go through Acrobat (or some other app).

       

      Can this really be the case? Or is there some way to achieve this?

        • 1. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
          winterm Community Member

          hi,

          I personally use Quick Export to PDF script by Dimitry Lapaev, works flawlessly (WinXP SP3, CS5.5, ID7.5.2).

          Afaik, works on Mac too.

          At a moment I have at hand link to russian web page only, but it shouldn't be a problem...

          Script has interface in Russian, Ukrainian, and English.

          Here you can find that one and a couple more:

          http://adobeindesign.ru/2010/02/19/custom-pdf-export-scripts/

          • 2. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
            Daniel Flavin Community Member

            m.kellerman wrote:

             

            When delivering pdfs for print most of the time they want every page as a separate document.

             

             

            Not any vendor I deal with. If you gave me 100 seperate pdf's, there would be a problem, albeit a short one.

            2 minutes looking finds a script to achieve your need, I expect you can find an equivilant if this does not suffice. This topic is discussed once a month. Search the forum.

             

            http://indesignsecrets.com/page-exporter-utility-peu-5-script-updated-for-cs3.php

            • 3. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
              winterm Community Member

              Daniel Flavin wrote:

               

              Not any vendor I deal with.

              Some of them want, really. They say, it's easier to catch a problem, if occures.

              • 4. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                BobLevine UGM

                The fact it requesting single pages is not a standard workflow. I’ve never had a printer ask for such a thing.

                 

                 

                 

                Bob

                • 5. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                  Joel Cherney MVP

                  I've had plenty of printers ask for single pages. However, it's been eleven years since I was last been asked for this. (I know because this client's printer's homebrew OS 8.5 imposition app broke because of... the Y2K bug. True story.)

                  • 6. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                    mckayk_777 Community Member

                    Another good script is Page Expoerter Utility 5 there is a tick box that tells the script if to send the file as one document or seperate pages it has many other uses and is very editable.

                    http://indesignsecrets.com/page-exporter-utility-peu-5-script-updated-for-cs3.php

                    Have not used it in CS5 CS5.5 use it all the time in CS4 hope it works for you.

                    • 7. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                      BobLevine UGM

                      Why go through all this when it’s so easy to do in Acrobat. A couple of mouse clicks and it’s done.

                       

                       

                       

                      Actually…why go through it at all? I don’t trust any printer that makes these kinds of requests.

                       

                       

                       

                      Bob

                      • 8. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                        winterm Community Member

                        Bob, it's not always so straightforward...

                         

                        Bob Levine wrote:

                         

                        Why go through all this when it’s so easy to do in Acrobat.

                        when you export nearly 200 p. cataloque, something may go wrong on certain page. If you are exporting separate pages directly, you know where to look for the problem. If not, you just get the message "export failed". Where?!

                        ok, you exported files and uploaded to printer's ftp server... and get client's last-second call: "ups, oh, uh, there's wrong price on page 99!"

                        no problema, you re-export just that single page and overwrite (update) appropriate pdf file in printer's folder. No hassle about integrating it to all-in-one pdf.

                         

                         

                        Bob Levine wrote:

                         

                        Actually…why go through it at all? I don’t trust any printer that makes these kinds of requests.

                        well, sometimes client or agency has some other reasons why to choose this printer and not that. The final decision is not always up to designer... If such workflow is possible, I must be ready for it.

                        • 9. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                          John Hawkinson Community Member

                          no problema, you re-export just that single page and overwrite (update) appropriate pdf file in printer's folder. No hassle about integrating it to all-in-one pdf.

                          Typically your printer will have to aggregate all 200 single PDFs into a monolithic PDF anyhow. You're not saving him any time.

                          As for your own time, well, just send along the revised p.196 and ask your printer to integrate it into his monolithic PDF. It'll be no harder for than if you had sent the other 199 pages as individual PDFs.

                          • 10. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                            m.kellerman Community Member

                            I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough. When I wrote "or some other app", I should maybe have written "or some other external or third-party solution (including plug-ins and scripts)". I am looking for a function in InDesign that achieves the result.

                             

                            Sometimes there are “hidden treasures” in apps, like holding the option key to change buttons and options, or “terminal hacks” or something, and the fact that I personally haven't been able to find this function in InDesign doesn't mean it isn't in fact hidden away somewhere in there. So I just wanted to check if anyone here knew anything about this or if it's in the works or something.

                             

                            But I take it this is not the case in this case, so I'll close the subject.

                             

                            I believe even InDesign 1.0 had the "Spreads" checkbox that combines spreads to single pages in the export, but like eleven years later … InDesign 7.5 still doesn't have a "Separate pages" checkbox is what I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around. It's such a simple little thing, that clearly many users would welcome, and since all the hard stuff is already in there it should be such an easy thing to fix.

                             

                            It's good that there are scripts that can help those who don't have access to, or prefer not running, Acrobat (or some other app that does the trick). And maybe some of those scripts also offer other useful functions not provided elsewhere, but I'm really just looking for ways to simplify my work further, and adding more external software (even if it's just scripts) isn't what I'm looking for – seeing as I still need Acrobat installed for other reasons as well, I might as well keep using Acrobat to split up documents too. Until there's a native function in InDesign that does the job faster and easier, that is.

                             

                            Not only are there plenty of printers that still ask for single pages, but a lot of them even want all spots as separate documents with the spots converted to K. Backward, bordering on retarded, you say?* Yeah, no kidding. But while I totally agree that this often acts as a warning signal, as a designer it's my job to deliver the design according to the printers' specifications, and I very rarely have control over where the product gets printed. Most clients/companies I've worked for have negotiated extensive deals with certain printers in order to keep costs down, and those that haven't are more often than not also just looking for the cheapest available printers, rather than the best possible ones. Unfortunately very few clients are inclined to pick more expense printers simply because they're usually better to work with (or even because they produce better results/prints), and since the clients are in the business of making money it's hard to even argue that they should. And to be honest, I'd rather see them pay me more than see them pay the printers more – something I'm sure many designers would agree with.

                             

                            * Disclaimer: Even very talented and progressive printers I've worked with sometimes request separate pages, simply because they have fully or semi automatic workflows set up in a way that requires this. And sure they can, of course, handle multi-page pdfs, but those sometimes will cause further delays or even further costs as they require some level of manual handling on the printers part.

                            • 11. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                              John Hawkinson Community Member

                              InDesign 7.5 still doesn't have a "Separate pages" checkbox is what I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around. It's such a simple little thing, that clearly many users would welcome,

                              Why do you say that?

                              Why do you think it is clear?

                               

                              If there's one thing this discussion has shown, it is that the experienced InDesign users here in fact do not see a use for or need for such a feature.  (In fact, nobody has said it, but some of us might lobby against such a feature -- because it might encourage users to use it and printers to ask for it, and that's actually undesirable -- it would promote bad workflows.)

                               

                              Now, I'm not saying it isn't clear that "many users would welcome" it. But you haven't established that it is (and neither has winterm, who apparently also favors such a feature).

                               

                              So, please, before suggesting that many users would welcome it, please show us the reasoning, the evidence, etc. Be it empirical, or logical, or what-have-you. Or are you just saying that because you (and winterm) would welcome it, that "many" would?

                               

                              I suppose it is a trueism that for any 1 opinion voiced there are 100 who agree with that opinion, but I'm afraid that doesn't meet my definition of "many," since it would also lead us to say, "Many InDesign users don't know how to export a PDF," etc.

                               

                              * Disclaimer: Even very talented and progressive printers I've worked with sometimes request separate pages, simply because they have fully or semi automatic workflows set up in a way that requires this. And sure they can, of course, handle multi-page pdfs, but those sometimes will cause further delays or even further costs as they require some level of manual handling on the printers part.

                              What geographical market do you work in?

                               

                              It's hard for me to fathom a printer who can't use Acrobat's feature to split the document, even if they do in fact need per-page PDFs, which they shoudn't.

                              • 12. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                                m.kellerman Community Member

                                The second reply to this thread establishes that this topic is discussed frequently, and there are several scripts and other software addressing this need. That makes it clear to me that there are users out there who would like to have this feature and whose workflows would benefit from this feature (as in: it would make things simpler for them to just check a checkbox in InDesign than using other software to achieve the same results). Are there enough of them to meet your definition of many? I don't know, and ultimately I don't even care.

                                 

                                The fact that there are users out there who see no need for the feature, or who'd rather see the world change than to see InDesign change, isn't reason enough not to implement this very simple feature on Adobe's end. InDesign (and other Adobe apps as well) is full of stuff that was way harder to implement on Adobe's end, yet caters only to subsets of users, so why not cater to these users as well? Clutter? Hardly. One checkbox would suffice. And because some users feel that the feature would make it harder to change the world into a better one? Well, Adobe isn't an ideological organization, if there's demand they should just cater to it. The feature has been in Adobe Acrobat for ages, so as far as software goes I see no reason not to implement it in InDesign as well.

                                 

                                I applaud anyone who takes a stand against bad workflows, or unsound methods of any kind, and I'm one of those who can't wait for a global all-out RGB/LAB workflow on hardware-calibrated screens with a single unified icc-RGB/LAB icc-profile for delivery of all print jobs, using one pdf per job regardless of the number or shapes of pages, inserts, spot colors and so forth, where it's then up to the printers to make sure their printing processes matches the unified icc-profile as closely as possible. There are few technological hurdles to achieve this today (though plenty of economical ones), and I'd love to live in that world … but unfortunately I don't. And until I do, I want Adobe to cater to the needs I have today.

                                 

                                And for you to suggest that my level of experience has anything to do with this only shows a limited understanding of how people and the world works. And that's not me taking a stab against you or ideology at large, just your suggestion that people who don't feel the same way as you are somehow lesser than you. The fact that I don't see it as my job to educate printers, and change the errors of their ways, doesn't make me inexperienced. In fact, in my experience, there are plenty of experienced designers out there who aren't willing to spend any of their time arguing with printers or struggling with changing the way printers work – many, if not most, of the designers I know tend to spend their time doing design instead.

                                 

                                What geographical market do you work in?

                                 

                                I've only worked in Europe, but I've worked all over the spectrum … sometimes with low end printers for cost effiency (and man oh man, the stories I could tell you, the horrors of their beliefs is truly astonishing), but also with huge modern highly-automized magazine plants with optical scanners automatically correcting colors in the press and automized processes for continually delivering up-to-date icc-profiles for all products, but usually I've worked somewhere in the middle. One thing that's very common over here though, which I suspect to be true all over the world too, is "pseudo-printers" – companies that negotiate lower prices with several printers by aggregating lots of clients/print jobs and then subcontracting them to these printers. It's good for the economy (except maybe for the printers, though it makes it easier for some of them to run near full-capacity which is of course good for them too), but it more often than not means catering to the weakest link – that the specifications are dumbed down to fit the worst printing plant in the mix, even though many others work in more modern ways.

                                It's hard for me to fathom a printer who can't use Acrobat's feature to split the document, even if they do in fact need per-page PDFs, which they shoudn't.

                                 

                                It's hard for me to fathom a printer who doesn't make it their job to know a hell of a lot more about catering to the needs of designers than most designers do, but rest assured there's enough of them to go around. And it's hard for me to fathom a designer who've had extensive contacts with many a printer who wouldn't also know this to be true. But maybe you've just been very lucky in who you get to work with … and I don't mean that as in “coincidence”, but that you are lucky to be able to work only with non-backwards printers. In the recent economy few companies that I've worked with are willing to pay anything extra for expertise – increasingly, everyone's just looking to save a buck.

                                 

                                And anyway, the issue here isn't whether the printer can  or should achieve this themselves or not, it's about Adobe not catering to users need to quickly and simply meet the printers specifications. I'm a designer. People pay me to do design for them and deliver files for print – they don't pay me to argue with printers. So I deliver files according to specifications. If this somehow makes me inexperienced, or even stupid, in your eyes, then so be it.

                                 

                                While I've more or less given up in trying to change how others work, what I occasionally do attempt, in order to make my world a little better, is to contact software makers and suggest to them ways to make my life easier through changes and additions to their software. But before I do I like to make sure I haven't just missed something. That's why I came to these forums with this. To probe whether there's really still no way to perform this simple task in InDesign, not to probe what others think of me for wanting a checkbox that would eliminate one slight annoyance from my life.

                                • 13. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                                  Colin Flashman Community Member

                                  I work for an offset printer as a prepress operator, and i'd NEVER ask for single page/file PDFs unless i wanted to preflight dozens/hundreds/thousands of individual files at a time (e.g. 64pp book comes in, i can either check 1x64pp file; or 64x1pp files... know what i'd rather do!). I completely agree with John Hawkinson and Bob Levine that it's counter productive.

                                   

                                  Similarly, in the 15 years that i've been in prepress here and overseas, i've only ever had one client supply files as single file/page PDFs, and it was another printer who had imposed the art first using a method similar to this method, before running out of time themselves to print the artwork and gave us the artwork to print.

                                   

                                  However I have read the OP's post above (post no.12) and take the point that it is irrelevant which provider will or will not want single page/file PDFs; but the fact that the dialog box for making single page/file PDFs doesn't exist except through scripting or third party.

                                   

                                  Apart from suggesting the PEU exporter from scott zanelli (many other posters here have suggested the same thing) if the OP really wants to see this feature in future versions of indesign, go to the indesign wishlist and ask for this feature.

                                  • 14. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                                    Peter Spier ACP/MVPs

                                    I'm going to try to stay out of the merits of the argument -- I agree that it's an odd flow, but that you also need to provide what the specs say. What worries me here is that one very likely reason for requiring single page flattened PDF is that the printer simply cannot handle a true PDF workflow and is imposing the document by placing the individual pages into Quark Xpress. This was pretty common even ten years ago, but it can be a real disaster for the the type of complex PDF that current versions of ID produce (hence the requirement for version 1.3 files). I have no idea what happens with this workflow using recent versions of Quark, but I'd be that anyone still working this way hasn't made a hardware or software upgrade in years, and that's why the price is so low.

                                     

                                    With that in the back of my head, I surely would be circumspect about using transparency, and I wouldn't necessarily expect any sort of color fidelity. Make sure you get a contract proof.

                                    • 15. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                                      m.kellerman Community Member

                                      Like I've said, I couldn't agree more. I'm not supporting backwards printers. As far as I'm concerned it's just about honoring the specs and moving on, as quickly as possible, and I'd like InDesign to better help me achieve that.

                                       

                                      I've heard one printer mention that their workflow is (was? they had some presentation a few months back introducing changes in their workflow, but I couldn't make it.) based on InDesign, presumably using third-party add-ons.

                                       

                                      But it was years ago that I gave up even caring about the printers processes. I'm set on delivering the best design I can, according to specs, and being a free-lance designer I very rarely have much say on which printers are used. Then it's the printers job to make sure the end result is great and matches my original files as best as possible.

                                       

                                      And as far as quality prints go, I've seen some of the highest quality prints I've ever seen come from printers that were using what by most would have to be considered highly outdated equipment. But those guys really knew what they were doing, and simply put great care into their craft. So even though I'm sure they barely had a digital workflow, they produced some fo the finest products I've ever encountered. That was an old Asian printing plant, though, and I've unfortunately never printed there myself. I did however print numerous luxury Digipak dvds at the Dutch printing plant that invented the original Digipak product line, and even though those guys didn't have much implemented in the ways of modern colorproofing back then, their prints rocked compared to most others. The film company changed printers to cut costs, and the product quality took a serious hit because of that. Then again in the end the film company has to ask themselves how many end consumers would even notice the drop in quality when comparing dvds printed at the two places, and as prices drop everywhere I suppose it may not even matter if consumers notice the quality drop … if you can cut production costs by as much as 30–50 % many companies simply wouldn't even factor in the loss in quality.

                                      • 16. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                                        m.kellerman Community Member

                                        For those of you focusing on whether this is good practice or not, consider other situations where it might come in handy.

                                         

                                        For me it might make sense to do multiple itersations of the same single-page artwork in the same InDesign file, or if I'm doing many different comps for a one-sheet artwork I might want them all in the same InDesign file as well, as there may be several components I might want to reuse and still be able to change simultaneously for all iterations/comps/versions.

                                         

                                        And since you can now use different page sizes in a document some might prefer to ease up on the clutter by putting a cd booklet together with a cd inlay and a cd label in one InDesign file, again to allow them to easily change color schemes or simply affect multiple instances of certain elements. Granted the label might still need to be exported separately because it rarely uses the same the icc-profile as the booklet+inlay, but whatever.

                                         

                                        I can easily think of scenarios where it would make sense to put several separate items in one InDesign file, and still prefer to easily export to separate pages, whether that is because of printers specs, or client needs, or my own personal needs.

                                         

                                        Why wouldn't I prefer having 20 comps of a poster in one single InDesign-file for convenience? And why wouldn't I sometimes need to export those as separate files? It might clutter up the desktop more, but sometimes the client wants to be able to share or email single comps rather than a pdf containing multiple comps. Sometimes it comes down to being able to simply narrow a selection process down by trashing single pages or using file labels to highlight which pages/comps have priority or something like that.

                                         

                                        As far as all this goes, I'm just looking for one single extra checkbox that would help me achieve something a little simpler and faster, without requiring much new code at all on Adobe's end since all the actual exporting functionality is already present in the app.

                                         

                                        I've now filed my feature request with Adobe, and hope they'll fix this. ;-)

                                         

                                        Cheers!

                                        • 17. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                                          Peter Spier ACP/MVPs

                                          I'm just a little curious why you find a script to be less desirable in this instance than a menu command or option in the export dialog? Attaching a shortcut to the script would make it essentially a one-step execution. I'm sure, too, atha tht existing scripts could be modified to use whatever PDF settings you like, or to give you the ability to choose.

                                          • 18. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                                            m.kellerman Community Member

                                            I'd like to be able to save the setting along with the rest of the export settings, so that when I work on a certain project I can just make sure the correct PDF Preset is in use, and I'm set to go.

                                             

                                            In a different thread I'm a little pissed that the Ink Manager's “All spots to process” checkbox is saved as part of the PDF Preset but then not actually honored, as it only remembers the spot colors present when the PDF Preset was saved, and not any other ones. That checkbox is acting like a button and not a checkbox, and should be changed into a button, with a checkbox that acts like a checkbox and makes sure that all spot colors are in fact always converted to process colors when that PDF Preset is in use.

                                             

                                            And the only reason I'm summarizing that here, is that while I'm not too keen on installing a script to split multi-page pdfs into single-page pdfs (I believe I might just as well keep splitting them with Acrobat, we'll see, maybe I'll make the switch), I might very well consider using a script that brings up the PDF Export, makes sure a certain PDF Preset is in use and then goes into Ink Manager and makes sure the “All sport to process” checkbutton is in fact checked (and not delselected or dashed). But then if I'm going there, I might as well just go with a standard script that permanently sets any spot swatches to process swatches in the swatches palette, I suppose. Hmm… ;-)

                                             

                                            If only Adobe would add that missing checkbox and make the other checkbox actually work like a checkbox none of this would even be happening, and I might actually get some work done before christmas. ;-)

                                            • 19. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                                              BobLevine UGM

                                              In a case like that, troubleshooting would certainly be necessary and having a script to handle it a page at a time would be great.

                                               

                                               

                                               

                                              As for the change, any printer worth anything would be able to replace a single page in a PDF.

                                               

                                               

                                               

                                              But again, any printer that requires this is raising a very big red flag for me.

                                               

                                               

                                               

                                              Sorry, but I’m not sold on either of those explanations for doing this as a matter of course.

                                               

                                               

                                               

                                              Bob

                                              • 20. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                                                BobLevine UGM
                                                In a different thread I'm a little pissed that the Ink Manager's “All spots to process” checkbox is saved as part of the PDF Preset but then not actually honored, as it only remembers the spot colors present when the PDF Preset was saved, and not any other ones. That checkbox is acting like a button and not a checkbox, and should be changed into a button, with a checkbox that acts like a checkbox and makes sure that all spot colors are in fact always converted to process colors when that PDF Preset is in use.

                                                I'm not familiar with that issue but on the surface it sounds like a bug. Have you reported it?

                                                 

                                                https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

                                                 

                                                Bob

                                                • 21. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                                                  mckayk_777 Community Member

                                                  I don't think i will ever understand the attitude of some that set there way of doing things in cement.

                                                  There are more different workflows out there that have been working for more years then most of the people that say this or that workflow is not the way to do it, you should do it our way.

                                                  In this forum it should be a question asked how to do something and then someone giving that answer, not mocking the way someone has setup there workflow.

                                                  Suggestion on what they consider a better way, but not to mock someone.

                                                  Keep in mind the people that ask questions in here are the silly buggers that have to work for a living and that have to get a job done on a deadline and answer to higher powers that may or may not be set in the way they do things.

                                                  Ideas are great but take time to implement. My workflow is changing all the time but I also have to take everyone else & the machinery in the office along for the ride and just can't go around changing everything for the sake of a better workflow. (pitty but true)

                                                  Saying you don't trust a printer because they do not do everything the same as everyone else is a waste of typing.

                                                  The printer can be a very honest fellow and usually are, supplying their customers with the best price they can leads to limits to upgrading.

                                                  And from what I have heard of late Adobe has made that just that much more expensive.

                                                  • 22. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                                                    BobLevine UGM

                                                    Nobody’s mocking anyone. Simply pointing out that this isn’t a recommended way of doing things.

                                                     

                                                     

                                                     

                                                    To propose that Adobe spend its limited resources (contrary to popular belief and the constant comparison to Apple or Microsoft, Adobe is not that large a company) on things that really shouldn’t be done in a standard workflow when perfectly acceptable workarounds exist is what I don’t understand.

                                                     

                                                     

                                                     

                                                    There are scripts and Acrobat features that do this. The likelihood of it being any kind of a priority at Adobe is very, very small, IMO.

                                                     

                                                     

                                                     

                                                    Bob

                                                    • 23. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                                                      m.kellerman Community Member

                                                      I hadn't reported it, because I wanted to hear what people in these forums had to say first. But now I have. The problem is that the checkbox works like Adobe intended it to work, they've clearly choosen to design it this way – changing the typical behavior of a checkbox for this one. So, I doubt they'd see it as a bug. But it's just bad or at least unnecessarily confusing/unclear interface design. But as far as I'm concerned it's more of a bug than a feature request so I filed it as such.

                                                       

                                                      Any spot colors present when you check the “All spots to process” checkbox are in fact (soft)converted. Just like if you had hit a button doing the same thing. But then the checkbox stops acting like a checkbox (as far as conversions go), and just works as an indicator. So as long as no new spot colors have been introduced, the checkbox shows it's checked. But if you add new/different spot colors and go into Ink Manager you'll see the checkbox changed into a dashed checkbox (still selected in highlight color) indicating that only some spot colors are set to be converted (easily confirmed in the list above). So the only way to make sure that all spots are in fact converted at any given time is to go into Ink Manager and check, and making sure that checkbox is properly checked (just click it until it's right) … and if you have to do that every time you export, it totally defeats the purpose of having that function as a checkbox. Then it would make much more sense to change the checkbox into a button, preferrably labelling it “All current spots to process” – that way there would be no confusion.

                                                       

                                                      Adobe might argue that the Ink Manager is separate from the PDF export settings and the PDF Preset, but since it's presented right there in the export settings I think it should act it's part and be saved along with the rest of the settings, and if it's part of the PDF Preset that checkbox should remain properly checked during all exports using the PDF Preset – always changing all spots to process.

                                                      • 24. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                                                        rob day MVP

                                                        In this forum it should be a question asked how to do something and then someone giving that answer, not mocking the way someone has setup there workflow.

                                                         

                                                        The answer was given—use a script. The scripting engine is comprehensive and it exists to extend the program when a feature is not universally desired as is the case here.

                                                         

                                                        There are a lot of free export scripts out there and it isn't a problem to include a preset list dialog. If you are using OSX I can post an Applescript that has one.

                                                        • 25. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                                                          winterm Community Member

                                                          mckayk_777, thumbs up!

                                                          thank you for telling this loud and clear, I couldn't do better due to my not-so-good English.

                                                          If you don't mind, I sign under your text too.

                                                           

                                                          to Bob:

                                                          Yes, my printer CAN manage all-in-one pdf's, but printer guys asked me to supply separate pages for that particular job (frankly, I don't care so much, why), so why not? Usually my printers see no difference here. It can be done with Acrobat, I decided to use a script. The prints are still fine, no imposition mistakes, prices are acceptable to client. If I refuse to do it for the sake of "better" workflow, I'm not sure client will change the printer. They can decide to change the designer... Clients usually have no clue about any prepress workflows, modern or obsolete. Even more, they're happy not having any… So we must have both guns loaded and ready to use.

                                                           

                                                          Peace and Merry Christmas to everyone

                                                          • 26. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                                                            m.kellerman Community Member

                                                            Nobody’s mocking anyone.

                                                             

                                                            Well, let's just chalk that up to a matter of opinion, shall we? I for one wasn't entirely comfortable with the following statement pretty much out of the gate:

                                                             

                                                            If there's one thing this discussion has shown, it is that the experienced InDesign users here in fact do not see a use for or need for such a feature.

                                                             

                                                            What would be the reason for this statement? I'm not attacking anyone in this forum when I'm stating that there are users who would like to be able to export pdfs as separate documents. If there was no such desire there wouldn't be recurring discussions on the subject, and probably not third party solutions for it either. And I'm not implying that people who are fine without this feature, and happy about using workarounds, are somehow lesser than me. So why am I rewarded with this type of attitude then?

                                                             

                                                            At the very least this statement implies that I, or people that might feel the same way about a feature like this, must be less experienced than those who don't share my opinion. It either pushes non "members of the club” down, or elevates "members of the club", or both. And there's no call for that.

                                                             

                                                            This is an Adobe InDesign thread, and I'm asking for a way to achieve a very simple thing using Adobe InDesign rather than third-party or external solutions, as that would simplify my work somewhat. And then the thread quickly turned into a thread of some people making sure I and everyone else knows that doing what I want to do is b.a.d. … bad! What's the purpose of that? I get several statements questioning the truthfulness of my statement that this is actually something a lot of printers still require. And when I say, sure guys I'm sorry about doing it in a way that you despise, but I'm just trying to deliver files according to specs, and I'd like to do it a bit more conveniently … does it die down? Not so much no. In fact just looking at two of the last few posts they still contain traces of bad attitude. I'm sure you guys mean well, given that you're not jumping up and down on me or anything and are in fact presenting new information as well, but …

                                                             

                                                            Simply pointing out that this isn’t a recommended way of doing things.

                                                             

                                                            Well, first of all that's really beside the point, but furthermore that isn't really the whole truth now is it? The printers that tell designers to deliver their files that way, are in fact not only recommending it but demanding it. If you have issues with their workflows and their recommendations, that's fine but it's not me you should be bugging about it. I'm just looking for a more convenient way of delivering according to specs, and I've given up on trying to change how the printers work.

                                                             

                                                            To propose that Adobe spend its limited resources … on things that really shouldn’t be done in a standard workflow when perfectly acceptable workarounds exist is what I don’t understand.

                                                             

                                                            Well, given that it's my job to deliver files according to specs rather than trying to change the specs it's of little comfort to me that this isn't the way it's supposed to be done. And ultimately I guess I'm just not as big a fan of workarounds as you are then. I prefer not to be relying on scripts, plugins, or other third-party solutions. There was a time when I loved pimping my workhorses, but as the workhorses got better at doing their jobs themselves (over the years), I've changed my stance to trying to stay as far away as possible from all that. I don't like relying on extra solutions that may not be around next time I upgrade or even update, and I don't feel much like waiting around to upgrade just to make sure all extra bits and pieces will still fit into the puzzle, and also I want a clean install to be as simple and smooth as possible. In short: not a fan of the extras. And there really aren't that many new features I'd really like to see from either Photoshop (which is the app I spend most of my time in) or InDesign. Not counting bugs or instability issues, there's like maybe a handfull of things for each app I'd like to see added or ironed out, none of which is bells and whistles kind of stuff but just stuff that would help me in my everyday work. No one is a bigger supporter of pulling a "Snow Leopard" and just modernizing and optimizing code, dumping legacy code, and ironing out bugs and refining what's already there than I am. I can't imagine any new bells and whistles features that would make me more motivated to upgrade than just leaner meaner versions of what's already there and more consistent interfaces, behavior and functionality across the Creative Suite. And most of the usability feature requests I've had have fortunately been adressed over the years, but there are a few remaining annoyances that I'd like to see squished too. And if spending a day or two on adding something as simple as a checkbox saying exported files should be saved as separate pages, is too much for you because the same thing can be achieved using scripting or other apps, well … then our priorities are just not the same. Happens regularly on the web. So what I don't get is your need to shoot down this simple wish simply because you don't want it yourself. Clearly few users see a need for every function in complex apps as these – most users use but a fraction of all of the functionality in a CS app in their regular use. And as far as resource management goes, this particular functionality is already in InDesign, the eport is already there, and JPEGs are always exported page by page (for natural reasons), so just reuse the page counter code from the JPEG export funtion and adapt it to the PDF export function and let a single little checkbox fill the simple need of being able to export a given document as separate pages.

                                                             

                                                            Also i already gave you other examples of when the feature might come in handy, but you either skipped those or bundled them in with the things that just shouldn't be done. Here's another example: say you're doing business cards for some company, and say it's for 250 different persons, and you want to put them all in one InDesign file so that it's just one file to keep track of rather than 250 indd-files and so that any changes to masters or styles are instantly reflected in all business cards, and then some of the cards are sent to the printers every now and then and never all of them at the same time … then it might be rather convenient to be able to export all separate 250 pdfs at once using that one little checkbox (and man oh man would it have been great if each of those separate files could also be named using say the text in one paragraph style, but that's a different story). And sure, if you like scripts, you could use one of those (maybe even modify it somehow to cull and apply those names – if you're fluent enough to pull that off), or simply use Acrobat or some other app, but as far as I'm concerned that's just nonsense – the same could have been said for any number of features in the CS apps, and if it had been the policy of Adobe to not include stuff that could be done using other software there wouldn't even have been an InDesign app to begin with.

                                                             

                                                            And jumping to another recent quote:

                                                             

                                                            The answer was given—use a script. The scripting engine is comprehensive and it exists to extend the program when a feature is not universally desired as is the case here.

                                                             

                                                            While I appreciate the fact that scripting can be used, and fairly easily adapted to single users particular needs, I fail to see the need to once again end by pointing out that this feature is a less desirable one. I am absolutely positive that there is plenty of other implemented functionality in InDesign that took far more work and time to implement than this feature would, yet has no more mass appeal than this feature would have. And what's more, I'm pretty sure anyone who think about would have to agree (what with the staggering amount of functions in an app like InDesign, and how few of them that gets regularly used by any single user).

                                                             

                                                             

                                                            Let's take all of this from the top shall we:

                                                             

                                                            Q I'd like to see functionality X in InDesign because of Y, but can't find it anywhere in the app, so I'm relying on other solutions for now.

                                                            Do you guys know if there's a way to achieve this in InDesign, or do I need to stick with workarounds?

                                                             

                                                            A Nope, sorry, you're stuck with workarounds so far. You can try Z instead of what you're using now, here's a link or some info or whatever.

                                                             

                                                            Q Aww, that's too bad, given how quick and easy such a small thing could be fixed.

                                                             

                                                            A Yeah, but most people are ok with one of the workarounds, and it's not a highly requested feature so that's probably that.

                                                             

                                                             

                                                            See the difference? If not, then so be it.

                                                             

                                                            Much as I've personally given up on trying to get printers (and such) to move along into, if not the future, then perhaps at least the present (or something resembling it), I am now surrendering this thread for much the same reasons. ;-) Or more pressingly, the need to finish some actual work before christmas.

                                                             

                                                            Evening! (And sincere thanks for the actual info and suggestions.)

                                                             

                                                            And well, merry christmas and so on and so forth!

                                                            • 27. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                                                              Laubender MVP

                                                              m.kellerman wrote:

                                                              And sure, if you like scripts, you could use one of those (maybe even modify it somehow to cull and apply those names – if you're fluent enough to pull that off),


                                                              @m.kellerman:
                                                              You can get this functionality with PDFExportCropper.jsxbin, a script by Loic Aigon.
                                                              See:

                                                               

                                                              http://www.loicaigon.com/blog/?p=876

                                                               

                                                              Don't miss the comments at the end of the blog.

                                                               

                                                               

                                                              Merry christmas!
                                                              Uwe

                                                              • 29. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                                                                Peter Spier ACP/MVPs

                                                                m.kellerman wrote:

                                                                Let's take all of this from the top shall we:

                                                                 

                                                                Q I'd like to see functionality X in InDesign because of Y, but can't find it anywhere in the app, so I'm relying on other solutions for now.

                                                                Do you guys know if there's a way to achieve this in InDesign, or do I need to stick with workarounds?

                                                                 

                                                                A Nope, sorry, you're stuck with workarounds so far. You can try Z instead of what you're using now, here's a link or some info or whatever.

                                                                 

                                                                Q Aww, that's too bad, given how quick and easy such a small thing could be fixed.

                                                                 

                                                                A Yeah, but most people are ok with one of the workarounds, and it's not a highly requested feature so that's probably that.

                                                                 

                                                                In a case like this, the best you can hope for is workarounds for the present, and a possible new feature added to a future version (and make a strong use case) by filling out the feature request form: Adobe - Feature Request/Bug Report Form

                                                                 

                                                                New features are added based on, among other things, the cost/benefit ratio and the number of users who might benefit.

                                                                • 30. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                                                                  Peter Spier ACP/MVPs

                                                                  Forgot to add don't expect instant gratification. I think it took 4 versions for Illustrator style panels to finally make the grade.

                                                                  • 31. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                                                                    myDwayneSmith Community Member

                                                                    I use scripts for all my PDF exporting — a couple of double-clicks is all it takes — actually quicker than 'normal' exporting.

                                                                     

                                                                    The one I use ALL the time in a publishing workflow exports specified pages as separate PDFS — you can see part of the explanation for it and download a copy here.

                                                                    I've adapted that script to download every page as a separate PDF — which you can download here.

                                                                     

                                                                    The only thing you'd need to do is first open it in Script Editor (found in applications > applescript) and change the first line to your version of InDesign.

                                                                    Save it in your scripts panel folder and off you go. It creates a subfolder in the same location as the InDesign file and lets you know when it's finished.

                                                                     

                                                                    The beauty of Applescript is that you could have a look at it and immediately see some of the things you might like to change (like the name of the folder the PDFs are saved in, or how the PDFs are named)

                                                                    In its current form, this one truncates the name to the first space, then appends the page number (so "This File Of Mine.indd" exports to "This_1.pdf", "This_2.pdf", etc)

                                                                     

                                                                    Maybe that will help someone.

                                                                    m.

                                                                    • 32. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                                                                      Robert.Ralph

                                                                      It intrigues me that M. Kellerman comes here to ask for help in finding resources to get a task done and 90% of the responses are in no way related to resolving his issue.  I was recently tasked with created a huge amount of black plate for print over some previously created collateral.  Rather than wasting time by arduously going through 350+ entries my methodology employed using Datamerge to do the huge part of the work.  I then used the script provided in this thread to export each plate to a different PDF, and finally another program to batch rename the files based off a spreadsheet.

                                                                       

                                                                      You're likely wondering why all this was required.  Because we are sending these black plates to something like 20 different printers local to each of our holdings to be printed there.  The filenames had to be exact, the information exact... and I was not about to spend 5 hours to hand type out all that garbage.

                                                                       

                                                                      Ideally I could have not only exported each page individually but applied a name to each from some attribute of the page other than the number... c'est la vie.

                                                                       

                                                                      Regardless of the discussion of workflow previously, there are some quite valid uses for such a function -- none of which damage or hinder a good workflow they simply address a completely different need. 

                                                                      • 33. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                                                                        John Hawkinson Community Member

                                                                        Robert.Ralph wrote:

                                                                         

                                                                        It intrigues me that M. Kellerman comes here to ask for help in finding resources to get a task done and 90% of the responses are in no way related to resolving his issue.

                                                                        This shouldn't really be a surprise. Threads go off topic, and they take tangents, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.

                                                                        When the answer to the question is fairly short-and-sweet ("Yes, there's really no way, short of scripting, Acrobat Pro, or third party tools"), there's really not much more to say on the topic than that.

                                                                         

                                                                        So once that happens, there's really no point in looking at the volume or ratio of responses (your 90%). The ratio is only goign to increase in favor of non-responsive discussion.

                                                                         

                                                                        It's a lot more interesting to discuss the apparent tangents of why the functionality is requested.

                                                                        That's true for a lot of reasons.

                                                                        One of them is that oftentimes there is a workflow problem when this kind of feature is asked for, and getting to the bottom of that problem is good for everyone. But that's not the only reason. It'd be silly to go and categorize the reasons why all the tangents here are of interest.

                                                                        • 34. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                                                                          rob day MVP

                                                                          Regardless of the discussion of workflow previously, there are some quite valid uses for such a function -- none of which damage or hinder a good workflow they simply address a completely different need.

                                                                           

                                                                          ID's probably has the most thorough scripting API of any app out there—there are even things you can script that aren't in the GUI. It's there for good reason—you think single page PDFs are important, I would never dream of sending out a job as single PDFs. No matter how feature rich ID gets there will be users who think the Adobe engineers are idiots for not including the items on their wishlist. There are thousands of free scripts that address unusual workflows like single page PDFs.

                                                                          • 35. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                                                                            debmccabe

                                                                            I have a situation now that requires single pages to be exported. I've set up an ad campaign where each indd page is a separate ad. Keeping them all in one file allows alternate layouts, etc. I'd love to be able to export the document into separate .pdfs that can be sent to publications as needed.

                                                                            • 36. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                                                                              mckayk_777 Community Member

                                                                              The easiest way maybe is to get the script "Page Exporter Utiility" it has an option to send entire file at once or to export as seperate pages.

                                                                              The seperate pages will export all your pages (short of deleting all pages not wanted then exporting the reverting) there is no way around this that I know of.

                                                                               

                                                                              Goodluck

                                                                              • 37. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                                                                                Peter Spier ACP/MVPs

                                                                                You can also export normally, then use Acrobat Pro to extract the pages to separate files....

                                                                                • 38. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                                                                                  myDwayneSmith Community Member

                                                                                  see response 31 — it directs you to a free script for download — and gives instructions for how to use it.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  the script accesses your saved export presets — so it should integrate smoothly with whatever your current workflow is.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  d.

                                                                                  • 39. Re: Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?
                                                                                    johnnydanger79

                                                                                    So here's my situation: I'm using InDesign to manage 200+ pages of tech sheets for a company.  Each tech sheet must be exported separately as PDFs because they're delivered as separate PDFs, not as a complete library.  The obvious benefit of using InDesign and having all the tech sheets in a single file is because then I can edit and update Master Pages and have the changes reflected in all of the tech sheets.  The major downside though is that when exporting the PDFs either using PEU5 or manually, the file name must be specified manually for each tech sheet.  I'm trying to figure out a way to pull the TS # from each page and using that as the filename (using a hacked version of PEU5), but thus far have been unsuccessful.  It seems like a simple enough task, but InDesign seems to have no way to name Pages or to specify certain fields in a way that would allow them to be easily grabbed by my customized PEU5 script.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Anyone have a good solution?  Thanks.

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