34 Replies Latest reply: Feb 25, 2012 1:23 PM by shooternz RSS

    Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???

    AtonMusic Community Member

      Hi...

       

      So I have a timeline that I want to CC in AE....

       

      I select all the clips and choose "Replace with After Effects Compostion"

      PPRO correctly initiates an AE launch which then correctly makes a Composition with all my clips in it...

       

      Now, ALL the clips, while there in the AE Comp, DONT have the clip names I gave them in the Timeline in PPRO.

      They have the original clips names. Like MVI_9987.MOV which is totally misleading....

       

      Why on earth would PPRO NOT adopt the names of the clips in the timeline to the after effects compostion ??

       

      This is my major gripe with Adobe, you have so many GREAT and VERY Innovative but totally NON-Thought-Thru' features. It is killing me.

       

      This here among so manu other things is what makes your CS Suite (Aside from Photoshop) a Pro-Sumer Solution....

      A professional solution is NOT regarded professional because it has fancy features, it is regarded as such because the features it HAS have been WELL contemplated and integrated.

       

      I hope your CS6 version is going to take care of all those small problems...

       

      But then again, been having those hopes since CS4

        • 1. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
          needles27 Community Member

          I've been reading your various threads which bring up a lot of good points - all tinged with some frustration.  I agree with everything you have griped about.  My experience coming from FCP is that PPro has some awesome features, some other features that are *almost awesome and sometimes baffling (like the one you mention in this thread) and a lot that are just frustrating and poorly implemented. (Not to mention the crashing and bugs)   I also have a lot of hopes pinned onto CS6 that these will get worked out.  There are plenty of defenders when these things are brought up - sometimes the unhelpful solutions mentioned are to move to a PC - but there are some that I think everyone can agree need some updating (Cache issues, autosave dialog box, unending need for track selecting, AVCHD performance on mac, tweaking of dynamic linking, better monitoring solutions/integration with AJA, Blackmagic, etc.) 

          • 2. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
            I.R Community Member

            I don't have AE or PP in front of me right now, but I'm almost sure that custom names will go over from PP to AE if you rename them in the bin (not on the timeline)

            • 3. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
              phil__w

              I just opened both and repeated that.

               

              My clips are all renamed in the bin, and I can confirm that on a PC (WIndows 7 64-bit) it works as advertised - the clip name is preserved. I have not tried to rename the clips in the timeline; that's a concept which wouldn't really work for me anyway.

              • 4. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
                AtonMusic Community Member

                ALL Clips Renamed in the BINs are reflected in the AE Comp.

                 

                That was NOT the problem... Or better yet, THAT is the problem.

                 

                Imagine this:

                 

                You have one clip, in a bin, 2 minutes long, and you have chopped that up (in the timeline) in to 3 clips and given them different names (That suit the shot)...

                Those 3 clips which become separate layers inside of AE will now ALL 3 carry the name of the clip in the bin... (Imagine a 30 Minute Interview with 77 clips from ONE source...

                In AE ALL 77 clips (Now layers in AE) would carry the name of the 30 Mintue long clip from bin.

                 

                So, if a bin-clip is called "Person Entering Door" - and that clip has been chopped up in the timeline to i.e. "Door Open" & "Person Thru' Door" & "Door Closing"

                Those clips in AE are now all three called "Person Entering Door"...

                 

                If you had not bothered re-naming the clip the clip containing that scene would be called something like MVI_9987.MOV... Now, after CAREFULLY re-naming those in the timeline, the editor or better yet the colorist (who had NOTHING) to do with the cut, is now facing i.e. 156 clips taken from 120 sources but all the clips carry the name of the source.

                 

                I am completely speechless to why something like this could pass thru' a public release of a supposedly "Professional" software.....

                 

                WOW

                 

                PS - Above is a true example of adobe NOT using their own software !

                They are SMART and make fantastic features and there is NO WAY in H*** they would let something like this slide, if they knew about it !

                • 5. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
                  I.R Community Member

                  Professional editors usually watch their footage before performing any edits and, while doing that, they are creating SUBCLIPS.

                  With subclips in timeline and AE>Import PP project, you will have your names in AE

                  • 6. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
                    AtonMusic Community Member

                    I.R wrote:

                     

                    Professional editors usually watch their footage before performing any edits and, while doing that, they are creating SUBCLIPS.

                    With subclips in timeline and AE>Import PP project, you will have your names in AE

                    Perhaps those who are editing the old and slow way....

                     

                    It is about 1,000,000,000 times faster to review and cut the source clip ON A TIMELINE than sitting there a double clicking the source and opening it in the source viewer....

                     

                    I never use the source viewer... Such a workflow is a decade old and NOT viable in my world.

                     

                    I get paid for what I do so that makes me a professional. If I had to sit and sort my footage the way the Premiere Crew intended me to, I would make a third of the money I make in month because I would NOT be able to do it fast enough.

                     

                    Worth a thought - you should try it.

                     

                    I make a sequence of ALL scenes (I name the sequence according to the scene (Each Scene contains Shots, sometimes ONE clip has multiple shots))

                    In the sequence (on the timeline) I chop the clip up in shots and name them...

                    I close the timeline - Done

                    When done, I start a new Sequence called Primary.... That TImeline resides on the bottom of my display

                    On the top of the display I'll open a 2nd timeline with ALL my scenes which are containing my shots.

                    To find one shot, the old way, I would have to sit and READ the text on the sub-clips.. I am a CREATIVE and I WORK IN IMAGES NOT TEXT.

                    This way, I can finish my whole primary timeline while those old-fashined editors grinding thru' their first scene...

                     

                    I.R --- Instead of embracing new and intuitive ways, you try to hold fast on to the old ways of doing things by implying that "This is the way professional Editors Work"

                     

                    What a shame !!!!!!!

                    • 7. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
                      I.R Community Member

                      AM, I was just trying to give you solution, and honestly I'm not sure that watching footage in the timeline is so much faster than using Source monitor.

                      I don't think there is old and new way of doing things, and you should use what solves the problem in given situation. I've used similar workflow as the one you diescribed in Avid for years (in MC you can load sequence in source monitor and preserve all tracks, edits, effects, etc., when splicing into new sequence).

                      I agree that custom clip names should transfer to AE without issues (when option is there already), but I don't think there is other solution than using subclips ATM.

                      Note that you don't have to create subclips from source monitor, you can do it from the timeline too. That way you can preserve your workflow and still have custom names. Only downside is that you'll have to replace clip with subclip you created, but with "replace with clip from bin" command that's just one clik more.

                      • 8. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
                        shooternz Community Member

                        I have read this thread carefully a number of times to try and understand it as well as possible.

                         

                        I then tried to comprehend the workflow "others" use  with an open mind and compared it to my own. (Trying to learn something all the time)

                         

                        The bit I do not understand is why the need to rename the Clips and how that becomes of value in either PPRO or AEFX (or Resolve or elsewhere).

                         

                        For myself...I deal with the image that I can see in the monitor and I can tell if it is - "Door Open" & "Person Thru' Door" & "Door Closing" or what ever.

                         

                         

                        @AtonMusic. 

                         

                        You make the following over dramatic claim about how fast your workflow is ....but to me, that would be slow and imprecise.

                         

                        You appear to  spend  a lot of  time logging and naming clips and sequences then it seems to me like you are cutting "linear" in a non linear edit world (with a razor tool.)

                         

                        That must involve a lot of time dragging a mouse and clips around a timeline.  Do you shoot in order of the edit maybe?

                         

                        Perhaps those who are editing the old and slow way....

                         

                        It is about 1,000,000,000 times faster to review and cut the source clip ON A TIMELINE than sitting there a double clicking the source and opening it in the source viewer....

                         

                        I never use the source viewer... Such a workflow is a decade old and NOT viable in my world.

                         

                        I get paid for what I do so that makes me a professional. If I had to sit and sort my footage the way the Premiere Crew intended me to, I would make a third of the money I make in month because I would NOT be able to do it fast enough.

                         

                        Can you tell me how you name the clips in the workflow you describe here...?

                         

                        I make a sequence of ALL scenes (I name the sequence according to the scene (Each Scene contains Shots, sometimes ONE clip has multiple shots))

                        In the sequence (on the timeline) I chop the clip up in shots and name them...

                        • 9. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
                          AtonMusic Community Member

                          I.R wrote:

                           

                          Note that you don't have to create subclips from source monitor, you can do it from the timeline too. That way you can preserve your workflow and still have custom names. Only downside is that you'll have to replace clip with subclip you created, but with "replace with clip from bin" command that's just one clik more.

                          I know this... and this feature is flawed as well..

                           

                          Two scenarios to that:

                           

                          First

                          In the timeline, chop the part of the main that you want as a subclib, drag it to the Bin in project panel, RENAME it... Select File in Timeline and hit 'Replace with File in Bin'

                          TOTALLY SLOW

                           

                          Second

                          In the timeline, chop the part of the main that you want as a subclib, rename it here, drag it to Project Panel (bin) (NOW IT SHOULD GET THE NAME OF THE CLIP IN THE TIMELINE) but of course, it does not.

                          So one has to copy the clip-name from the timeline and paste it to the clip name in the bin... Or rename it again. Whoever thought of this workflow NEVER really edited a film.

                           

                          It should be like this... Chop the source in the timeline, rename clip in timeline, drag it to a bin.. The dragged clip should adopt the name from the clip it was dragged from.

                           

                          A great software strives to have the user do things ONCE or automatically do it for him. PPRO strives to make the user do things twice. My My

                          • 10. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
                            I.R Community Member

                            AM, I don't think we are on the same page with this, or you are doing something different. Definitely there is no need to drag anything:

                            - Select clip in the timeline, choose "make subclip" = no time lost, you are using this instead of Rename function

                            - Type in new name = no time lost, you have to type in new name anyway

                            - "Replace with clip from bin" (newly created subclip in bin is already automatically selected) = time lost, less than a second

                            • 11. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
                              AtonMusic Community Member

                              The bit I do not understand is why the need to rename the Clips and how that becomes of value in either PPRO or AEFX (or Resolve or elsewhere).

                              Say YOU have to colorize my movie that I am currently cutting. The timeline consists of about 630 clips, derived from about 300 sources (Clips in Bin)

                              The clips in the bin have the original rush name... Thus BLABLA.mov... This way you can alsways go back and in time. Adobe has integrated something called METADATA and THAT should be use to describe scenes, shots etc.

                              That is why adobe made a BIG deal out of integrating Metadata..

                               

                              Now, in above scenario let us assume that you CC in AfterEffects. I'll send you the project via overnight on  a hard drive, and tomorrow you open it either via Importing the Project into AE or by opening it in PPRO and hitting replace with AE comp.

                               

                              You going to get 630 individual layers in the AE Com. The layer names are going to be derived from the source clips. So you are going to be looking at MAX 300 different names. YOU SHOULD be looking at 630 different names. But you are not.

                              AE will ignore the PPRO clipsnames and just generically name the layers by the source clip name.... Again... even if I had renamed all the source clips in the bins ONE source clip could be contain 7 differen subclips in the whole timeline.. ALL THOSE clips would share the same name... Thus nothing to do with it label..

                               

                              So, now I have YOU on the phone, breathing down my neck, trying to communicate to me WHICH clip had THAT cool sunrise effect. I DID label it Sunrise... But PPRO and AE messed that up... So I go....

                               

                              Hoooold On, Shooter..... Let me just open the timeline and count from left to right.... 1,2,3,4,5,6.... 459,,,, Ohhhh there it is... Clip number 459 from the left... Have fun Counting clips.

                               

                              I hope you understand what I am saying, if not... OK...  at least then I can understand why you DONT understand -)   (No Disrespect Meant)

                               

                               

                              You make the following over dramatic claim about how fast your workflow is ....but to me, that would be slow and imprecise.

                              Based on your questions I can understand why you would feel that way.

                               

                              I bet you are one of those guys thinking FCPx's event library sucks ;-)

                               

                              Can you tell me how you name the clips in the workflow you describe here...?

                              I select the clip, hit ctrl-r (rename clip), give it a name and move on to the next...

                              • 12. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
                                AtonMusic Community Member

                                I.R wrote:

                                 

                                AM, I don't think we are on the same page with this, or you are doing something different. Definitely there is no need to drag anything:

                                - Select clip in the timeline, choose "make subclip" = no time lost, you are using this instead of Rename function

                                - Type in new name = no time lost, you have to type in new name anyway

                                - "Replace with clip from bin" (newly created subclip in bin is already automatically selected) = time lost, less than a second

                                 

                                 

                                See this is what I mean by SLOW... Why should I go to a menu or even right-click..

                                It is WAY faster to just DRAG the clip from the timeline over to the bins and thus make a subclip.

                                 

                                Perhaps, you did not know you could do that.. But let me tell you,,, You can and it is faster. And if PPRO would just behave as an APple Program and adobt the name after dragging,

                                we would have it easier....

                                • 13. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
                                  needles27 Community Member

                                  Maybe I'm missing some part of the DL workflow, but I have always found the naming issue to be sub-optimal.  For a long time, I was frightened to even make name changes to the clips because I heard of people losing the DL connection after quitting, opening multiple comps or AE projects, etc...I thought it was tempermental and best to leave it alone to name it how it would like.  But after roundtripping 50-100 files and ending up with 50-100 clips named "Project Name/Linked Comp xx" it seemed like there had to be a better way.  In the "it just works" mindset, it seems like it should pay attention to any renaming and apply that update in any timeline/bin in all CS applications where that edit or clip resides.  If I rename a clip in the timeline (or bin, which apparently it works here) of PPro, it should have that comp name in the project list in AE when sending it over.  If I rename it there, it should update on the timeline in PPro.  Am I missing something?  How do you guys do a solid workflow of round-tripping while keeping tens or hundreds of clip names organized?  After awhile, just taking a look at the preview image doesn't cut it when you have multiple takes, many clips, etc.   

                                  • 14. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
                                    AtonMusic Community Member

                                    needles27 wrote:

                                     

                                    Maybe I'm missing some part of the DL workflow, but I have always found the naming issue to be sub-optimal.  For a long time, I was frightened to even make name changes to the clips because I heard of people losing the DL connection after quitting, opening multiple comps or AE projects, etc...I thought it was tempermental and best to leave it alone to name it how it would like.  But after roundtripping 50-100 files and ending up with 50-100 clips named "Project Name/Linked Comp xx" it seemed like there had to be a better way.  In the "it just works" mindset, it seems like it should pay attention to any renaming and apply that update in any timeline/bin in all CS applications where that edit or clip resides.  If I rename a clip in the timeline (or bin, which apparently it works here) of PPro, it should have that comp name in the project list in AE when sending it over.  If I rename it there, it should update on the timeline in PPro.  Am I missing something?  How do you guys do a solid workflow of round-tripping while keeping tens or hundreds of clip names organized?  After awhile, just taking a look at the preview image doesn't cut it when you have multiple takes, many clips, etc.   

                                    I DO appreciate the fact that one can import PPRO projects into AE... And all the other candies adobe are supplying us with...

                                     

                                    I roundtrip all the time and I do MANUALLY. That is the ONLY way of getting it right.

                                    I too wish adobe would pay attention to those things as well... Look at their metadata system. Jesus. Naming in adobe is just NOT a priority.

                                    • 15. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
                                      I.R Community Member

                                      AM, please focus :)

                                      There is no need to drag anything, there is no need for right clik, menus.... there is no time lost.

                                      Map "make subclip" and "replace with clip from bin" as shortcuts on your keybord.

                                      key > type > key = Done

                                      There is no way that draging can be faster than hitting two keys.

                                      • 16. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
                                        AtonMusic Community Member

                                        I.R wrote:

                                         

                                        AM, please focus :)

                                        There is no need to drag anything, there is no need for right clik, menus.... there is no time lost.

                                        Map "make subclip" and "replace with clip from bin" as shortcuts on your keybord.

                                        key > type > key = Done

                                        There is no way that draging can be faster than hitting two keys.

                                        I AM focused... You arent

                                         

                                        How am I supposed to target the destination of the subclip, to the bin of my choice unless I drag,

                                        And even if your workflow was fast, you are missin my whole point... WHY should we even have to 'Replace Clip with Bin Clip' after having dragged/short-cutted it there...

                                         

                                        with all due respect, I think you have been working in PPRO too long to see clearly. Like have a pain in the back ignorring it.. In time, you want feel the pain no more.. But you will look like the hunch-back of NotreDame

                                        • 17. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
                                          shooternz Community Member

                                          I think you are tripping up over your own ideal workflow and blaming Adobe for it.

                                           

                                          eg

                                          I.R informed you of an easier faster way rename sub clips and that evidently will do what you want. One you had obviously not known about.

                                           

                                          eg.

                                          Want an easy way to find a clip in the timeline instead of counting left to right as you suggested to me. Try Displaying the Clip occurences and clicking on the TC. You will go there directly in the timeline. 

                                           

                                          You and I discussed CC in AEFX previously and I heard your thinking... but its your choice of ideal work flow to CC/Grade  600 layers in a single comp.

                                          (BTW- from another post of yours...seems you are not as adverse to Resolve as you made out in our previous communication)

                                           

                                          I have no knowledge of FCPx's event library let alone any opinion of it...so no idea why its in the conversation!

                                          • 18. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
                                            shooternz Community Member

                                            This thread wont last long due to the personalisation of everything.

                                             

                                             

                                            • 19. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
                                              AtonMusic Community Member

                                              Shooter, lets put it to rest.

                                               

                                              You and I will never agree on anything. Even if you sat next to me and watch me finish the project you work on in 1/4 the time, you would not acknowledge

                                              that you could in fact change. It has ALWAYS been that way with different generations. Sadly.

                                               

                                               

                                              To Resolve... I am STILL the opinion of back then. However, before I purchase another useless tool, I prefer to use THAT for converting XML.

                                              It is quite good at that.

                                              • 20. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
                                                needles27 Community Member

                                                shooternz wrote:

                                                 

                                                This thread wont last long due to the personalisation of everything.

                                                 

                                                 

                                                Bummer - I'd like to hear a description of a good naming workflow while roundtripping PPro - AE - PPro. (while keeping the original file names in the bin)  Is there another less contentious thread out there that discusses this best-practice:) 

                                                Thanks.

                                                • 21. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
                                                  AtonMusic Community Member

                                                  shooternz wrote:

                                                   

                                                  This thread wont last long due to the personalisation of everything.

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  And yet you still have to fuel it with gas....

                                                   

                                                  What I find most amazing is that, although I just explained my WF today 1 hour ago, and you clearly dont understand it... Instead of  pondering upon it, for a day or two, you just try to kill it.

                                                   

                                                  Dont be afraid of voices advocating change.... Embrace 'em !

                                                  • 22. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
                                                    funkbomb Community Member

                                                    My workflow with DL is this: turn a clip into a DL project, then immediately hit Undo so the link turns back into the original clip. Then, I rename the composition in AE to match the clip(s) used, and render it out manually. I import back to the timeline and place it overtop the original clips, which I then disable. So I have the original ready to go, and can see what clips the link involves, while still maintaining a project in AE to manipulate. Additionally, I spend no extra computing power rendering the dynamic link project or worry about maintaining a green bar overtop. I think the fact that Premiere doesn't let you "Un-link" a Dynamic Link after the fact is a poor oversight. As soon as you DL anything in your timeline, you can't go back, which goes against everything about the paradigm that editing should be non-destructive.

                                                    • 23. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
                                                      shooternz Community Member

                                                      I understand your workflow but I do not understand how you bring in a personalised attack on those that disagree with you or advise diferently.

                                                       

                                                      So...I bow to your superior knowledge and wisdom (and I am envious of your youth) ...and I admit to being a klutz stuck in an editing time warp ( albeit issue free).

                                                       

                                                      Good luck with fixing this (one of many) issue that you have posted about regarding your own superior warp speed workflow.

                                                       

                                                      I am out.

                                                      • 24. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
                                                        I.R Community Member

                                                        I AM focused... You arent

                                                         

                                                        How am I supposed to target the destination of the subclip, to the bin of my choice unless I drag,

                                                        And even if your workflow was fast, you are missin my whole point... WHY should we even have to 'Replace Clip with Bin Clip' after having dragged/short-cutted it there...

                                                         

                                                        with all due respect, I think you have been working in PPRO too long to see clearly. Like have a pain in the back ignorring it.. In time, you want feel the pain no more.. But you will look like the hunch-back of NotreDame     

                                                        AM, you can find a lot of "why" in any application, there is no way to please all people. And yes, my first contact with Premiere (old one) was a long time ago .... 1994 or 1995 (it was bundled with some Miro card if I'm not mistaken). Anyway I've spent much more time with Avid and FCP in my career, so believe me I know very well shortcomings and workarounds for all 3.

                                                         

                                                        I think you missed a point of this forum / thread. You asked for solution, I gave you something that will work fast in your workflow. You can use it or not, but there is no point to whine here why software doesn't work "your way". If you ask me you shouldn't be able to rename clip in the timeline, without renaming it in the bin - but hey, you can't please everyone.

                                                        As an editor your job is not only to edit, but to care about pipeline and technical issues too. So when there is a solution, be flexible, use it, move forward.  (test a bit in which bin clips go, you are a clever guy and I'm sure you'll find your way around)

                                                         

                                                        I don't want to continue about PP>AE workflow here, because thread is already bloated, but as Shooternz said - sending whole timeline with hundreds of clips for grading in AE is very optimistic from your side.

                                                        Actually grading anything long form in AE is very optimistic.

                                                        Actually not splitting into 10-15 minutes reels for grading anywhere.... you know already.

                                                        Over and out

                                                        • 25. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
                                                          AtonMusic Community Member

                                                          I understand your workflow but I do not understand how you bring in a personalised attack on those that disagree with you or advise diferently.

                                                          Shooter,

                                                           

                                                          your every word here in this thread are evidence of you NOT understanding... How could you... You only heard about it an hour ago. If you are a serious editor, you KNOW how long it takes to wrap your head around a workflow.

                                                          You claim you know mine. Although it is clear you dont.

                                                           

                                                          That is what "furiates" me.

                                                          • 26. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
                                                            AtonMusic Community Member

                                                            I think you missed a point of this forum / thread. You asked for solution

                                                            No, I did NOT ask for a solution. Read my OP. Does THAT strike you as being inquisitive.

                                                             

                                                            I believe I was making a statement, rather than asking a layman's question !

                                                            • 27. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
                                                              shooternz Community Member

                                                              I believe I was making a statement, rather than asking a layman's question !

                                                               

                                                               

                                                              If you are making a statement...

                                                               

                                                              Turn Off the "Question" Check Box and dont put 3 question masks at the end of your topic header.

                                                               

                                                              BTW - your workflow does not take anytime at all to "wrap ones head around" and for me to work out that I would not personally be doing it that way.

                                                               

                                                              I have no issue with others considering your workflow to best suit their own purposes and style of edit.  (caveat emptor)

                                                              • 28. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
                                                                AtonMusic Community Member

                                                                Shooter... ONE question mark is a question...

                                                                 

                                                                3 is a statement of confusion. But I take that you already knew that as well....

                                                                • 29. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
                                                                  Jeff Bellune CommunityMVP

                                                                  Moved to Lounge.

                                                                   

                                                                  Some good workflow discussions, and as long as the "personalization" is confined to workflows and behaviors and does *not* spread to an individual's character, this topic can continue. If not, then "Poof!"

                                                                   

                                                                  -Jeff

                                                                  • 30. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
                                                                    shooternz Community Member

                                                                    Shooter... ONE question mark is a question...

                                                                     

                                                                    3 is a statement of confusion. But I take that you already knew that as well....

                                                                     

                                                                     

                                                                    I did not know that  "3 is a statement of confusion" ....but I did realise you are confused about your work flow.

                                                                     

                                                                    ...and I did learn...

                                                                     

                                                                    Avoid using more than one question mark unless you're texting or actively seeking to drive your reader up the proverbial wall. While writing "Don't you like popular people?????" seems emphatic, it's incorrect for all but the most informal of writing.

                                                                     

                                                                    Source: http://www.wikihow.com/Use-Question-Marks-Correctly

                                                                     

                                                                     

                                                                    • 31. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
                                                                      the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                                                                      Craig,

                                                                       

                                                                      What would two question marks mean?

                                                                       

                                                                      Guess that I am so old, that some Internet conventions are just over my "pointed little head."

                                                                       

                                                                      Hunt

                                                                      • 32. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
                                                                        AtonMusic Community Member

                                                                        shooternz wrote:

                                                                         

                                                                        Shooter... ONE question mark is a question...

                                                                         

                                                                        3 is a statement of confusion. But I take that you already knew that as well....

                                                                         

                                                                         

                                                                        I did not know that  "3 is a statement of confusion" ....but I did realise you are confused about your work flow.

                                                                         

                                                                         

                                                                        Hi Shooter,

                                                                         

                                                                        of course I am confused/puzzled/perplexed/mystified//unable to think clearly. We are talking workflow here. I have YET (You excluded, of course) to meet someone who is not.Someone who is NOT constantly seeking to improve him/herself.

                                                                        Just as one should be if one want it to advance.

                                                                         

                                                                        I have a recordingstudio and been recording music for about 16 years now. My workflow expands and streamlines every week.

                                                                        Because I AM being confused by it. See confused in its negative form could mean "Unable to think in a focused way" however in its positive form, it could mean "Mystified"...

                                                                         

                                                                        And Mystified I AM... and THAT is what brings forth new and better workflows. I hope I can remain Confused/Mystified  for the rest of my life.

                                                                         

                                                                        Never sit back and think that you cannot improve. That is the end of you !

                                                                         

                                                                        Did you think I wrote this post because I hate premiere and am 100% sure of me sticking to my current workflow ?? ||| Two quesiton-marks, Bill Hunt, indicates a rhetorical question ;-)

                                                                        If ABOVE had been the case, I'd NEVER write on a forum let alone use the software.

                                                                         

                                                                        I'd like to see Premiere Improve and move into the next decade. With features that sparks working with Motion Pictures.

                                                                        I.e. - It is easier and faster to sort,view and Meta-tag movies in Lightroom Beta 4 than in Premiere Pro.

                                                                         

                                                                        The best NLE on the planet is THAT NLE that give you the best visual overview of your source material..... ALL NLEs can roll,slide, trim...

                                                                        The one bringing you the clip WHEN you need it - thus immediately, is the one that will win.

                                                                         

                                                                        Premiere is NOT that NLE !

                                                                        • 33. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
                                                                          joe bloe premiere Community Member

                                                                          What would two question marks mean?

                                                                          That means: "Where'd my post go??"

                                                                           

                                                                          • 34. Re: Replace With After Effects Composition... What's the Point...???
                                                                            shooternz Community Member

                                                                            What would two question marks mean?

                                                                             

                                                                            I guess that it means "doubt". Bill

                                                                             

                                                                            ie. the questioner is questioning his own question. (eg  Why am I asking this question?)

                                                                             

                                                                            Now that leaves me with a confusing quandary. 

                                                                             

                                                                            Why did I get involved in this thread?  (a simple question)

                                                                            or

                                                                            Why did I get involved in this thread?? ( doubting my own question)

                                                                            or

                                                                            Why did I get involved in this thread??? (confused and mystified)

                                                                             

                                                                            Evidently being confused and mystified  is a good thing and will lead me to improving myself ...so I will go with  that.