6 Replies Latest reply: Mar 7, 2012 1:08 PM by hotwheels222 RSS

    creating manga comic book black background (help)

    hotwheels222 Community Member

      hi all. new user here.

       

      i have to create a 24 x 36 inch posterboard and i want to put /images/ "in" /cells/ like in a manga comic book. basically i want to have variously sized and variously proportioned WHITE AREAS (with a slightly rounded corners, not square) and then the area between these cells (for instance 1/8" spacing) to be all black.

       

      then I would place images /behind/ the white rounded cells.

       

      does that make sense? I have had success doing a normal board on an all white background (with some help) while using the demo of InDesign and I am wondering if anyone can help me get started with a description of how I might do this and some Adobe InDesign terminilogy that goes along with this so I can read up about the commands in the Help documentation.

       

      thanks in advance for any help with this.

       

      - jon

        • 1. Re: creating manga comic book black background (help)
          tman69 Community Member

          manga eg.jpg

          do you mean like this...only with a black background?

          use layers pallette to create new layer--draw rectangle 24x36 and fill it with black

          in layers pallette--drag new layer to bottom of list....that should do it (depending on how the "images /behind/ the white rounded cells" were created.

           

          a good resource can be found by 'googling'     InDesign tips and tricks

          • 2. Re: creating manga comic book black background (help)
            P Spier CommunityMVP

            tman69 wrote:

            use layers pallette to create new layer--draw rectangle 24x36 and fill it with black

            in layers pallette--drag new layer to bottom of list....that should do it (depending on how the "images /behind/ the white rounded cells" were created.

            A couple of things to add. If the poster is to finish at 24 x 36 you may need to add bleed for the black background (probably .125" , but check with the printer), depending on the printing method. For a one-off trimmed by hand you can get away without, but for a press run you will need it.

             

            Your white cells are just regular image frames with arounded corner effect. If the art is black and white (bitmap mode, you will need to set the fill to [Paper] to be sure they knock out and you can see the art inside them.

            • 3. Re: creating manga comic book black background (help)
              hotwheels222 Community Member

              hi t.

               

              thank you. that is it exactly. i meant to scan something and post it.

               

              can i please ask you for a little more on this as I try and set up a long term workflow?

               

              I am going to read up on "layers palette" also on "image frames".

               

              can you help me with what you mean "depending on how the images...were created"? I mean, someone set the earlier poster up for me but in this case I guess I am making the background black with a "Fill" function and then I am making a new layer and dragging to the bottom of the layer list (what is the reason for this?), then I activate the layer and create the rounded squarish Image Frame, and then I will be inserting (in some way) one image behind each Image Frame. These will be png or tif or jpg in color or black and white and I will LINK them so when the image is updated the poster is automatically updataded...

               

              can you fill in some blanks in the workflow for me or give me the specific terms in InDesign so I can start to read up on these specifically, by any chance?

               

              also, is there a chance you can help me with the fact that i would really like to set up a numbers of different SIZES of frames? I mean, I assume I can just copy and paste new ones that are the same size /over/ the black background but is there a way to actually sort of /change/ the size of one cell from being say 2" x 3" to 4" x 6" or something similar? I ask because I know that I am going to need to move these around (is there a way to get them to snap into place by adding hidden gridlines?!) but I will also need to RESIZE certain cells because the image will need a bigger or smaller cell for correct formatting and I'd like to minimize the amount of work involved in this since it will serve as a template. I mean, if there was a way to tell the Image Cell to go from 2 x3 to 4 x 6 that seems like it would help me out a great deal.

               

              Thanks for the great help.

               

              Jon

              • 4. Re: creating manga comic book black background (help)
                hotwheels222 Community Member

                Thank you Peter. Always a great help.

                 

                Can I ask you if you have any insights in terms of some of the workflow questions in my recent response to the other poster? Also, I know this may be a dumb question but am I correct in thinking there is a difference between the documentation i see when I run a Help pulldown while in InDesign and documentation i might find online? I am reasonably new to mac and for some reason I always find it difficult to find what I need when I am in the help section of most software. Sometimes for some reason I don't understand the online documentation seems to work better for me. This is sort of an impression but I thought to ask in case I am missing something.

                 

                I assume there are one or two chapters that I can print out to try and get myself up and running so if there is anything specific to focus upon I would be eager to know the terminilogy so I can locate it.

                 

                Regards and many thanks,

                 

                Jon

                • 5. Re: creating manga comic book black background (help)
                  P Spier CommunityMVP

                  Your background is going to be an "unassigned" frame (drawn with the rectangle tool -- the one without the X in it). Do you understand bleed? As far as the fill color, that would depend on how this is going to be printed, and if there is other color on the page. It will look better as a "rich black" which is a four-color mix, but you pay more for four-color prints than just black and white. If you are using a rich black, the exact formula can vary widly depending on the printing method (and I would ask the printer for a recommendation), but a pretty "safe" mix would be 50c, 40m, 40y, 80k. You will want to put this on its own layer at the bottom of the stack and lock the layer to avoid inadvertently using the frame to hold something (see below). you can create this first, then make a new layer on top, or do it last and drag it to the bottom of the stack.

                   

                  Your image frames are drawn with the frame tool (the one WITH the X) . You could create an Object Style for them that includes the corner effect to save time. Frames drawn with the frame tool do not respect stroke and fill settings, but one of the nice things about ID is that your unassigned frames can be used to hold text or graphics, so you can also add a fill color to the object style and use the Shape tool (the same one you use for the background) instead of the frame tool if you find you need the white fill. And yes, you can copy and paste these smaller frames, or add them to a library, or save some sizes as snippets in a folder to drag into your poster. You can save a "blank" poster (just the background and the empty "cells" as a template and use the same layout for as many posters as you like, too.

                   

                  You will Place the images into the cells, unless you need to combine text and image (not already combined in the image) in the cell. For that you would place the image someplace convenient, like the pasteboard,and add text in a text frame or a text frame you've drawn to look like a speech baloon, then position the two as you want them relative to each other, select both, group, cut, select the cell frame, and "paste into."

                   

                  You'll find the online help at http://help.adobe.com/en_US/indesign/cs/using/index.html

                  I also recommend you buy a copy of Sandee Cohen's Visual QuickStart Guide to InDesign since you seem to be a real beginner.

                  • 6. Re: creating manga comic book black background (help)
                    hotwheels222 Community Member

                    Hi Peter.

                     

                    Thanks.

                     

                    I've printed out your help and will take you up on the book recommendation.

                     

                    Not sure if I can get through it before the deadline for this project but i am going to try.

                     

                    THANK YOU

                     

                    Jon