18 Replies Latest reply: Nov 12, 2013 11:20 AM by imjeffp RSS

    Clips deleted from Project, but still showing on timeline

    sebrame Community Member

      While archiving a project in CS5.5, I first clicked 'Remove Unused' to trim out all the dead weight. Strangely enough, this removed ALL of my footage clips. Even stranger is the fact that nothing is showing as 'offline'. The timeline still plays with all the clips that were in it. When I select a clip in the timeline and click 'Reveal in Project', it can't because there is absolutely no video footage in the Project Window. There are no previews either, for the entire timeline has a red bar, and the selection to 'Delete Render Files' isn't even available because there are no previews.

       

      I went ahead and did a 'Collect Files and Copy to New Location'. The sequences are intact with clips showing, but there are absolutely no AVI(Cineform) clips in the 'Copied' folder.

       

      If I find the media for a clip in the timeline, and rename it, I start PPro again and the clip shows as offline. So it's still referencing the media, even without a clip for it being in the Project Window. And no, my Project pane isn't filtered.

        • 1. Re: Clips deleted from Project, but still showing on timeline
          lasvideo Community Member

          Its very difficult to read your message. How about reposting without the highlight or whatever that is

          • 2. Re: Clips deleted from Project, but still showing on timeline
            SCAPsinger Community Member

            If you select all of the text in his post you'll be able to read it better.

            • 3. Re: Clips deleted from Project, but still showing on timeline
              SCAPsinger Community Member

              Make sure you are not in a subfolder of your project window.

               

              Otherwise, if that's not the issue, I don't know what would have caused that.

              • 4. Re: Clips deleted from Project, but still showing on timeline
                sebrame Community Member

                Sorry for the highlight, or whatever that was. Had to copy and paste into Notepad, then copy and paste below to eliminate it. I think my suite is haunted.

                 

                While archiving a project in CS5.5, I first clicked 'Remove Unused' to trim out all the dead weight. Strangely enough, this removed ALL of my footage clips. Even stranger is the fact that nothing is showing as 'offline'. The timeline still plays with all the clips that were in it. When I select a clip in the timeline and click 'Reveal in Project', it can't because there is absolutely no video footage in the Project Window. There are no previews either, for the entire timeline has a red bar, and the selection to 'Delete Render Files' isn't even available because there are no previews.

                 

                I went ahead and did a 'Collect Files and Copy to New Location'. The sequences are intact with clips showing, but there are absolutely no AVI(Cineform) clips in the 'Copied' folder.

                 

                If I find the media for a clip in the timeline, and rename it, I start PPro again and the clip shows as offline. So it's still referencing the media, even without a clip for it being in the Project Window. And no, my Project pane isn't filtered.


                • 5. Re: Clips deleted from Project, but still showing on timeline
                  sebrame Community Member

                  Nope...not in a subfolder or bin in the Project Window. Still...even if I were and clicked 'Reveal in Project' for a clip it would still show that clip in it's bin.

                  • 6. Re: Clips deleted from Project, but still showing on timeline
                    chesterr_mizik Community Member

                    The issue would be a project specific issue if you are not able to replicate that onto a new project.

                     

                    Just the project file itself that has gone corrupt.

                     

                    Certainly not a bug in the product !

                    • 7. Re: Clips deleted from Project, but still showing on timeline
                      Stan Jones MVP

                      Here's the OP without the highlighting:

                       

                      While archiving a project in CS5.5, I first clicked 'Remove Unused' to trim out all the dead weight. Strangely enough, this removed ALL of my footage clips. Even stranger is the fact that nothing is showing as 'offline'. The timeline still plays with all the clips that were in it. When I select a clip in the timeline and click 'Reveal in Project', it can't because there is absolutely no video footage in the Project Window. There are no previews either, for the entire timeline has a red bar, and the selection to 'Delete Render Files' isn't even available because there are no previews.

                       

                      I went ahead and did a 'Collect Files and Copy to New Location'. The sequences are intact with clips showing, but there are absolutely no AVI(Cineform) clips in the 'Copied' folder.

                       

                      If I find the media for a clip in the timeline, and rename it, I start PPro again and the clip shows as offline. So it's still referencing the media, even without a clip for it being in the Project Window. And no, my Project pane isn't filtered.

                       

                       

                      Nope...not in a subfolder or bin in the Project Window. Still...even if I were and clicked 'Reveal in Project' for a clip it would still show that clip in it's bin.

                      Since what you are describing is not possible (!), we've got to keep pressing a bit on the bins. "Not filtered" - okay, but how do you know you are not inside an empty bin?

                       

                      Yes, reveal in project should find the clip. I find that fascinating. What happens instead of highlighting the clip in the bin?

                       

                      Changing the actual clip file name is a good test, and does show that the clip on the timeline is still seeing the file.

                       

                      This reminds me of importing a sequence from another project, and discovering that all the same clips are actually duplicates, with no connecton to each other. The clips in one sequence, that are from the same files as other clips, are in a different bin in the project panel.

                       

                      But, find in project should find them.

                       

                      If a corrupted project, what happens if you import this project into a new one?

                       

                      I wonder about a cineform issue.

                      • 8. Re: Clips deleted from Project, but still showing on timeline
                        sebrame Community Member

                        "Since what you are describing is not possible (!),"

                        Au contraire!

                         

                        "What happens instead of highlighting the clip in the bin?"

                        Absolutely nothing. Trust me, the project is very small, and I have search all the bins...they ain't there.

                         

                        Spent a while with Adobe Tech Support this afternoon with a Connect session. Ended up being passed around to his group. The best that they could come up with was that the Media Database had some corruption that left out certain clips even though the Database was still able to reference the media files directly from the hard drive. Strange, but apparently I'm the only one who has ever had this happen. Lucky me.

                         

                        It's funny, usually it's the other way around - the media goes offline even though the clip is still in it's bin. Well, if it's gonna happen, it'll happen to me.

                        • 9. Re: Clips deleted from Project, but still showing on timeline
                          Powered by Design Community Member

                          What happens if you load an autosave backup project ?

                           

                          GLenn

                          • 10. Re: Clips deleted from Project, but still showing on timeline
                            joe bloe premiere Community Member

                            Try going through your timeline and alt-drag each clip to the Project Panel.

                             

                            edit:

                            You see your sequence in the project panel, right?

                            • 11. Re: Clips deleted from Project, but still showing on timeline
                              sebrame Community Member

                              "What happens if you load an autosave backup project ?"

                               

                              If I load an autosave in which the cllips are present in their bin, all works as expected. As was decided by Adobe, this is an extremely isolated incident very specific to this particular project file.

                               

                              "Try going through your timeline and alt-drag each clip to the Project Panel."

                               

                              The clip then appears in the Project Panel. However, it is still not mated to the clip that I just dragged from in the timeline. I can delete the newly dragged clip from the Project Panel and I don't get the normal warning about it being used in a Sequence, nor does it go offline in the Timeline. Also, if I right click on the same clip in the Timeline and select 'Reveal in Project', it doesn't.

                              • 12. Re: Clips deleted from Project, but still showing on timeline
                                joe bloe premiere Community Member

                                However, it is still not mated to the clip that I just dragged from in the timeline. I can delete the newly dragged clip from the Project Panel

                                After you alt-drag the clip to the Project Panel,

                                Alt-drag it back onto the clip in the timeline and the link is restored.

                                • 13. Re: Clips deleted from Project, but still showing on timeline
                                  marcorabellini Community Member

                                  It's totally possible as it has happened to me. The file that keeps track of the items in the Project Manager must get corrupted somehow but I can't find if there is any way to rebuild that file. I've tried to save as new and different names but no joy.

                                   

                                  I did this:

                                  After you alt-drag the clip to the Project Panel,

                                  Alt-drag it back onto the clip in the timeline and the link is restored.

                                  and that worked to make a new, visible item in the PM that's linked, but after the initial drag into the PM it is just another new footage item and doesn't link to the Sequnce clip until you alt-drag it back.

                                   

                                  New footage that I have brought in since the "Remove Unused" remain persistent throughout open/close/saves. I haven't had the courage to do another "Remove unused" as I'm in the middle of the project.

                                   

                                  You are not alone!

                                   

                                  m

                                  • 15. Re: Clips deleted from Project, but still showing on timeline
                                    marcorabellini Community Member

                                    If a corrupted project, what happens if you import this project into a new one?

                                    Interestingly, the unseen footage remains unseen even if imported into a new file.

                                     

                                    m

                                    • 16. Re: Clips deleted from Project, but still showing on timeline
                                      marcorabellini Community Member

                                      What happens if you load an autosave backup project ?

                                      The Autosaves are the same way. Footage remains unseen in PM.

                                      • 17. Re: Clips deleted from Project, but still showing on timeline
                                        marcorabellini Community Member

                                        Uhg. Been trying everything to get the PM to somehow rebuild and recognize the footage that is in the Sequences. No luck. Looks like the only solution at this point is to do the alt-drag back and forth thing for the missing PM pieces.

                                         

                                        There is a point a week back or so when the prproj file went from 4.3 MBs to 3.6. And the 4.3 file shows all the footage in the PM and the 3.6 doesn't. I don't know what I did right there or what happened but I think it was a remove unused footage and then the PM lost all the footage entries but I didn't notice at the time.

                                         

                                        So there is some reference in the prprj file that got stripped but I am not savvy enough to figure it out or how to possibly fix it. If anyone has any ideas I'd appreciate it. I wish there was some sort of rebuild the PM command.

                                         

                                        The only thing I haven't tried is uninstalling Premiere and reinstalling. Although it really seems like a file issue and not a program issue so I'm guessing that a install refresh would not have any effect.

                                         

                                        m

                                        • 18. Re: Clips deleted from Project, but still showing on timeline
                                          imjeffp Community Member

                                          Even though this thread is a bit old, I thought I'd chime in to say I'm running into the same issue here.

                                           

                                          The solution seems to be to create a new project, then import (not copy) the offending project into it.