26 Replies Latest reply: Mar 27, 2012 4:23 PM by Noel Carboni RSS

    Ability to change the radius of one or all corners of vector shapes

    Toon61 Community Member

      Just starting with PS CS6, and it looks and feels really nice and snappy.

      I like the added tools with vector shapes, but what I really miss here, is the posibility to change the radius of one or all corners of a shape.

      Or am I overlooking something?

        • 1. Re: Vector shapes and rounded corners
          PECourtejoie CommunityMVP

          Hello,

          It's a solid release, isn't it?

          Yes, there is no independent control of the rounded rectangle corners.

          If you do not see a function in here, and you'd like to suggest it or vote for its addition, feel free to use the feedback site for that purpose: http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/photoshop_customizable_rounded_edges _for_rounded_rectangle_tool

          • 2. Re: Ability to change the radius of one or all corners of vector shapes
            Brett N Employee Hosts

            You can set the radius for all corners before you create the object:

            Untitled-2.jpg

            Or are you looking for the ability to edit the radius after the shape has been created?

             

            Or maybe on-screen, drag-based controls for the individual corners or whole object (similar to the Brush size HUD)?

            • 3. Re: Ability to change the radius of one or all corners of vector shapes
              luckynorth Community Member

              I'm sure, he's looking (like i do) for the ability to edit after the creation. And someone answered my similar question with no. I can't understand this. Now you have video and all kind of fancy stuff in PS, but if you want to change the border radius you have to draw the rectangle again.

              • 4. Re: Ability to change the radius of one or all corners of vector shapes
                Chris Cox Adobe Employee

                Out of all the different users of Photoshop, and all the requests we had, that one fell off the plate while we were working on higher priority features.

                We almost got to it, but  ran out of time/resources.

                • 5. Re: Ability to change the radius of one or all corners of vector shapes
                  PECourtejoie CommunityMVP

                  Therefore it is paramount to vote and post on the linked feedback thread. On Screen controls would be excellent!

                  • 6. Re: Ability to change the radius of one or all corners of vector shapes
                    luckynorth Community Member

                    Hello Chris,

                     

                    thanks for your reply. I understand that you have to show some cool new features in a new version of PS. That's the reason people buy updates. But come on, how difficult it could be for a company like Adobe to add this possibility for border radius? This is essential and included in editors which cost a fraction of the price you have to pay for PS.  

                     

                    It seems like PS wanna be everybodys darling and i don't know if thats the right way. I really hope, that there is a future for Fireworks and that the next version of FW have at least half of the improvements and new features that PS has. For webdesign (and that's what i need PS or FW for) PS is moving in the wrong direction.

                     

                     

                    Mario

                    • 7. Re: Ability to change the radius of one or all corners of vector shapes
                      Chris Cox Adobe Employee

                      >> But come on, how difficult it could be for a company like Adobe to add this possibility for border radius?

                       

                      Until you know the codebase, and all the compatibility issues in the file format, it's hard to describe how hard to even add the basic functionality.  Then you need to think about the UI and implementing and testing that. And... well, there's about 2 pages of items to think about, implement and test.

                      It's not something you do overnight, or even in a week.

                       

                      That functionality is useful to *some* designers. But people do get by without it.  It's something nice to have that would simplify work and speed up work for a certain class of designer.  So we're looking at it.  But we do have finite resources, and we have to make choices about which features to support based on the customer base, need, and demand. It's not like it'll never happen, it just didn't make the cut this time.

                       

                      Photoshop got a lot of web/UI design features added this cycle, including most of the top requests - I'm not sure how that's "the wrong direction".

                      • 8. Re: Ability to change the radius of one or all corners of vector shapes
                        luckynorth Community Member

                        Hello Chris,

                         

                        with wrong direction i mean the wish to be everybodys darling and implement all sort of functions that has not so much to do with a graphic editor. I really don't know what PS is targeting or for which audience PS is the right tool. Was video really a much requested feature for PS? What is the next step? Add functionalities from InDesign to PS and doing prepress with? Of course, webdesign is only a part of the things you can do with PS. But i think, 80 - 90 % of all webdesigners are working with PS. This is a large amount of users. And i'm sure, they wanna have basic functionality like this border radius and they're not so interested in video editing. You can do it in Premiere or After Effects. Use the right tool for the job.

                         

                        I'm in a apprehension of discontinuing Fireworks. It seems like FW is a millstone around Adobe's neck. That's why i'm looking every few month to PS to see if that could be a replacement especially for webdesign.

                         

                        And last words about adding this functionality. The functionality is there! Before i draw the (rounded) rectangle i choose the radius. You don't have to think about the UI. The only wish is to change the border radius with that same control panel after the rectangle was created. I'm not a "coding guy“, but adding this under the hood is no rocket science, isn't it?

                         

                        Again, thanks for you reply and sorry for my poor english.

                         

                        Mario

                        • 9. Re: Ability to change the radius of one or all corners of vector shapes
                          John Stanowski Community Member

                          Why even bother having a rounded rectangle tool if you can't edit the corner radii after you create it?

                          Who could possibly know what radius to use before they even create it?

                           

                          This is how I "get by".  Make a rounded rectangle with a random number. Look at it. Not right. Delete it. Make another one. Repeat, repeat, repeat.

                           

                          That's just ridiculous.

                          • 10. Re: Ability to change the radius of one or all corners of vector shapes
                            PECourtejoie CommunityMVP

                            Luckynorth, there is more than one workflow. Maybe some webdesigners will be albe to create simple videos to supplement their website. Do not forget the digital photography market, it is also a big one, maybe bigger than webdesign. All their new cameras make videos now. Why not give them the ability to edit them, to expand their creative fields.

                            Did you look at the myriad of webdesign enhancements implemented this time? See: http://bjango.com/articles/photoshopcs6/

                             

                            If rounded corners was implemented instead of pixel snapping, you might have been pleased, others no... There is a finite amount of time, and I'm sure some engineers would have loved to implement it, but priorities needs to be made, otherwise, the development would continue without a finished product to be released.

                            • 11. Re: Ability to change the radius of one or all corners of vector shapes
                              Chris Cox Adobe Employee

                              >> Was video really a much requested feature for PS?

                               

                              Yes. Especially as DSLR video takes off.

                               

                               

                              >> Add functionalities from InDesign to PS and doing prepress with?

                               

                              Photoshop had prepress features long before they existed. :-)

                               

                               

                              >> This is a large amount of users.

                               

                              Compared to all the other users of Photoshop?  Not really.  Web/UI design is a sizeable segment of the users, but far from a majority. (every group looks bigger from the inside)

                              And everyone wants their favorite features implemented, every time.  This cycle we spent a lot of time on Web/UI design features.

                               

                               

                               

                              The functionality is not there.  The shape does not know how it was created, or how to redraw it self exactly with new parameters.  And that lack of information carries over to the file format.

                              There's a quote in one of the old Photoshop Easter Eggs: "This isn't rocket science.  Rockets are easy compared to this stuff."

                              • 12. Re: Ability to change the radius of one or all corners of vector shapes
                                luckynorth Community Member

                                Hello John,

                                 

                                you're right! Forget about all these fancy non-destructive stuff. The size of the rectangle has to be changed? Draw it again! The fill colour of the vector shape is wrong? Delete the shape. Make another one ...

                                 

                                That would be the same proposal and that is ridiculous.

                                 

                                 

                                Mario

                                • 13. Re: Ability to change the radius of one or all corners of vector shapes
                                  Chris Cox Adobe Employee

                                  Not even remotely the same concept...

                                  • 14. Re: Ability to change the radius of one or all corners of vector shapes
                                    John Stanowski Community Member

                                    Yeah, actually it's very easy to change the size and color of vectors in PS.

                                    • 15. Re: Ability to change the radius of one or all corners of vector shapes
                                      PECourtejoie CommunityMVP

                                      Mario, I don't think that Chris says that adjustable rounded corners is a bad thing.

                                      What he is trying to convey is that it is not an overnight job, very far from it.

                                      There is even backwards compatibility to take in account.

                                      And if it is implemented, some will say that's duplicating what Fireworks does, others will demand N8 shapes, where the central part can be extented without changing the sides, etc. If you want something really badly, explain why it does not work now, give examples on the feedback site.

                                       

                                      I think he'd use the functionnality too. You do not disagree on that, but misunderstand the message he wants to give.

                                      • 16. Re: Ability to change the radius of one or all corners of vector shapes
                                        Chris Cox Adobe Employee

                                        >> If you want something really badly, explain why it does not work now, give examples on the feedback site.

                                         

                                        Better: explain what problem you're trying to solve, with examples. Most often when people try to describe their imagined solution to the problem as they understand it, they get way off track.

                                         

                                        Heck yes, I'd use the functionality.  But short of adding 12 hours to every day, I kinda ran out of time (yes, I burned too many nights and weekends making some of the features happen).

                                        And if we get re-editable shapes, then that enables.....

                                        • 17. Re: Ability to change the radius of one or all corners of vector shapes
                                          luckynorth Community Member

                                          PECourtejoie, no, i don't misunderstand Chris' (and your) message. I understand that i'm not the only user and that PS is not a specialized webdesign application. And of course these border radius thing is not the essential functionality or the reason for using/not using PS. And i'm also excited about the new features, especially for Web/UI!

                                           

                                          But it would be nice too, if i could use PS not only for photo editing. In the past, FW had (for me) a much nicer workflow and functionality for webdesign. Every group has his "own" programm. InDesign for print jobs, Illustrator for vector editing ... It would be nice to have one decent and specialized webdesign application. Instead of working with two or more programms at the same time. No matter if this app is called PS or FW or whatever.

                                           

                                          I understand all of the things you and Chris said. I don't wanna peeve you! The only thing i can't understand is when someone says, that this functionality (or the wish for) is ridiculous.

                                           

                                           

                                          Mario

                                          • 18. Re: Ability to change the radius of one or all corners of vector shapes
                                            John Stanowski Community Member

                                            I didn't say wishing for a new feature was ridiculous.

                                            I said the way Photoshop rounded corners are now is ridiculous.

                                            Hence, I wish they would fix it.

                                            • 19. Re: Ability to change the radius of one or all corners of vector shapes
                                              luckynorth Community Member

                                              Hello John,

                                               

                                              sorry! That was my mistake! I thought, that you think that my wish is ridiculous ...

                                               

                                               

                                              Mario

                                              • 20. Re: Ability to change the radius of one or all corners of vector shapes
                                                oscarlosan Community Member

                                                do not know why something so easy to do is not implemented.

                                                rounded edges around the world used in photoshop: photographers, typesetters, designers, illustrators, ....

                                                is very important.

                                                much time is wasted using indesign or illustrator to import photoshop.

                                                would be a very productive development.

                                                • 21. Re: Ability to change the radius of one or all corners of vector shapes
                                                  PECourtejoie CommunityMVP

                                                  Oscar, a good venue to express your needs is on the http://feedback.photoshop.com website. We are mostly tackling bugs here, and I don't think that there is enough time to implement something new ( and useful, I agree) now.

                                                   

                                                  Also, if you do not want to get spam, change your username to something else than an email.

                                                  • 23. Re: Ability to change the radius of one or all corners of vector shapes
                                                    Noel Carboni Community Member

                                                    Am I missing something here?

                                                     

                                                    I made a rounded rectangle by using the Rounded Rectangle Tool to make a path, then pressed the [Shape] button to turn it into a shape layer.

                                                     

                                                    I find no problem editing the shape after the fact using the path editing tools on the vector mask.

                                                     

                                                    RoundedEdited.jpg

                                                     

                                                    Where is the problem?  You want a rounded rectangle to be some kind of special object that's got editable parameters (like radius) numerically?  That's not really what Photoshop is about, is it?

                                                     

                                                    -Noel

                                                    • 24. Re: Ability to change the radius of one or all corners of vector shapes
                                                      John Stanowski Community Member

                                                      Yes, we're talking about a solution for rounded corners.

                                                      Either parametric radii so we can change them.

                                                      Or a way to drag the radii out.

                                                      Entering a number to set the radius only works for computers.

                                                      And not being able to change them is annoying.

                                                       

                                                      If vector is not what Photoshop is about then why did they even bother to include it?

                                                      (BTW, what about 3D? And video?)

                                                       

                                                      Vector is a welcome feature to Photoshop and I hope it gets improved.

                                                      As a web designer, vectors in Photoshop is invaluable.

                                                      • 25. Re: Ability to change the radius of one or all corners of vector shapes
                                                        oscarlosan Community Member

                                                        Noel, is faster draw and scan.
                                                        Please, productivity as stroke and fill.

                                                         

                                                        Untitled-2.jpg

                                                        not a thousand steps.
                                                        changing all corners together. Also separately.

                                                        if photoshop CS6 delivers productivity, that's basic.

                                                        • 26. Re: Ability to change the radius of one or all corners of vector shapes
                                                          Noel Carboni Community Member

                                                          John Stanowski wrote:

                                                           


                                                          Or a way to drag the radii out.

                                                          Entering a number to set the radius only works for computers.

                                                          And not being able to change them is annoying.

                                                           

                                                          Again I sense little correllation between what you're saying and what I actually showed above.

                                                           

                                                          I did not enter any number.  I edited those corners by moving the bezier points and handles that make the corners.  Okay, it wasn't as simple as just moving a slider or pulling one point - I had to move 4 - but are we splitting hairs here or what?  Photoshop is about ultimate control over the end product, not about oversimplified packaged functions.  It really sounds as if you should be using another product entirely.

                                                           

                                                          In the face of someone actually SHOWING you that they can be changed, you write not being able to change them is annoying.  Are you part of the same reality I'm living in?

                                                           

                                                          Read carefully:  You CAN actually do what you want - change the radius of one corner.

                                                           

                                                          -Noel