22 Replies Latest reply: May 2, 2012 6:53 AM by station_one RSS

    Photoshop CS 6 Beta

    -Agfaclack- Community Member

      adobe has done another nice (but boring) release.... at least boring for me.

       

      the improvements are nice and welcome.

      as small as they are (crop tool etc. ) im sure the workflow will be better.

       

      but lets be honest.... are you excited about the new photoshop CS 6?

       

      ACR 7 is the biggest improvement from my view... but i have bought LR4 already.
      so what..... i have to pay twice to get the functionallity into photoshop.

       

      content aware in the patch tool.. well yes.. but it´s still not usefull without manual work 90% of the time.
      nothing that makes me wish to upgrade.

       

      video.... nothing i need in photoshop. but im sure some will like it.

       

      7 points from 10. 

        • 1. Re: Photoshop CS 6 Beta
          Chris Cox Adobe Employee

          You haven't even had time to look at all the new features.  Keep working with it for a while.

           

          Plus, you didn't say what sort of things you do in Photoshop - so nobody has any idea what features you're missing.

          • 2. Re: Photoshop CS 6 Beta
            -Agfaclack- Community Member

            i had a look at the prerelease already.

             

            i did not say it´s bad.
            i also wrote that the improvements are welcome... but i also say it´s nothing really exciting and new about it... for me and my kind of work.

            i don´t care about video or 3D in photoshop.

             

            i work with 3D studio max and for video we use AE and some nonlinear video editing soft at work.

            • 3. Re: Photoshop CS 6 Beta
              Noel Carboni Community Member

              Thanks for letting us know the public beta is available, -Agfaclack-.

               

              For those who'd rather not go searching for the link...  http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/photoshopcs6.html

               

              -Noel

              • 4. Re: Photoshop CS 6 Beta
                -Agfaclack- Community Member

                Chris Cox wrote:

                 

                 

                Plus, you didn't say what sort of things you do in Photoshop - so nobody has any idea what features you're missing.

                 

                first and foremost:

                 

                what about 16 and 32 BIT support for all filters?
                isn´t it time for that?

                 

                plus some filters (the menu and workflow) look very outdated. lens flare is one example.

                 

                the iris blur is a nice start i hope it will become usefull some day.

                but i prefer alienskin bokeh over it.

                 

                it would be a real innovation if iris/lens blur filter had some "high contrast algorithm" (whatever the boffins come up with) to make fake tilt-shift images more believable.
                i know it is much to ask.. something that can extract depth information from objects in an image and use that for the blur effect.

                 

                you know that would be something exciting.

                 

                the image deblurring demo adobe has shown.. that would be something exciting.

                • 5. Re: Photoshop CS 6 Beta
                  Chris Cox Adobe Employee

                  >> what about 16 and 32 BIT support for all filters?

                  >> isn´t it time for that?

                   

                  Many of them won't work in 16 bit or 32 bit, ever, because of the algorithms used.

                  And only a handful have had specific requests where people identified a need for the filters in 16 or 32 bit.

                   

                  Tell us which ones you need, and we'll see what we can do.

                   

                   

                  Yeah, the UI for many of the filters needs work.  But it's always a matter of priorities.

                   

                  Depth from a single image still isn't trivial, but we have people researching it.

                  • 6. Re: Photoshop CS 6 Beta
                    -Agfaclack- Community Member

                    ok... but why not code new ones? 

                    you can let the legacy ones in the code for compatibility.

                     

                    but today all my images are at least 16 bit.

                     

                    Chris Cox wrote:

                     

                     

                    Many of them won't work in 16 bit or 32 bit, ever, because of the algorithms used.

                    And only a handful have had specific requests where people identified a need for the filters in 16 or 32 bit.

                     

                     

                    • 7. Re: Photoshop CS 6 Beta
                      Noel Carboni Community Member

                      Adobe's position seems to be that they want to have enough people demand deep data support for specific filters before doing anything.

                       

                      Most folks wouldn't think to do that; they'd more likely just accept what functionality is there and work around the limitations - for example, they might switch to doing 8 bit editing for creative work and take the hit in their quality, because they're focused on getting their work done.

                       

                      And so Adobe incorrectly surmises that the demand is not nearly as high as it really is.

                       

                      I also believe it's well past time Adobe makes all the functionality available in at least 16 bits mode.  Since way back I have interpreted the inability to run many filters on deep data as a temporary situation, demanded by pressure to release at the time, and to be rectified in a future release of Photoshop.  Adobe has neglected to follow-up, and now it seems they're just trying to get out of doing so altogether (with all due respect to Chris).

                       

                      Apparently just saying "I'd like to be creative with the freedom to use whatever filters I see in the menu on my high quality image" isn't enough.

                       

                      Reality isn't meeting expectations here, Adobe, and you really should take notice.  By the fact that people ask about this from time to time you can see that the expectations are there.

                       

                      -Noel

                      • 8. Re: Photoshop CS 6 Beta
                        Chris Cox Adobe Employee

                        If management believes there is no specific demand, then nothing will change.

                         

                        So far most of the requests are along the lines of "why don't we have hoverboards yet?", and about as useful when trying to resources from managers.

                        • 9. Re: Photoshop CS 6 Beta
                          -Agfaclack- Community Member

                          if you only work for the web then the lack of 16/32 bit support is no problem.

                           

                          but the usefullness of 16/32 bit support is obvious for me.... so i did not think that i have to request such a feature.

                           

                          in fact since CS3 i though "next version they will sure update the filters or the curves adjustment layer".

                          when .EXR was supported i thought now is the time...but nothing.

                           

                          i mean.... you guys are using digital cameras too and you shot RAW.. not?

                          i hate when i have to reduce my images to 8 bit.

                           

                          so yes there is a demand!!

                           

                          i know there are technical problems.

                          but to be honest, they can be solved and i, as an enduser, i am not satisfied when you tell me it´s difficult (it does not help me).

                          i know it is difficult.. but i have the features in other software (shake) so i know it can be done.

                           

                           

                          http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/full_support_for_32_bit_exr_multicha nnel

                           

                           

                          ps:

                           

                          and one thing that annoys the hell out of me for some time.... is the filleting of a box selection when you expand the selection.

                          and yes.... i have set feathering to 0 pixel in the expand menu.

                          maybe there is a magic workaround but i don´t get it.

                           

                          please change that, make an option to disable it... whatever.

                           

                           

                          .

                          • 10. Re: Photoshop CS 6 Beta
                            Noel Carboni Community Member

                            Chris Cox wrote:

                             

                            If management believes there is no specific demand, then nothing will change.

                             

                            So far most of the requests are along the lines of "why don't we have hoverboards yet?", and about as useful when trying to resources from managers.

                             

                            Did Thomas Knoll poll the public for each specific feature they wanted when he implemented the first filters?  Or did he just envision the functions that people would like to use on their pictures?

                             

                            I know that this direction isn't coming from you Chris, and I hope that you don't feel that I'm beating up on you about this issue, but if management has ceased practicing leadership and only responds to specific customer feedback then your company is doomed!

                             

                            That Adobe management doesn't see arbitrarily grayed-out menus being perceived by users as unfinished features is staggering.

                             

                            I'm really starting to believe the 2010s will become known as the era in which software company management used too much telemetry and not enough thinking.

                             

                            -Noel

                            • 11. Re: Photoshop CS 6 Beta
                              c.pfaffenbichler Community Member

                              Yeah, the UI for many of the filters needs work.  But it's always a matter of priorities.

                              Updating the dialogs for Filters like Radial Blur seems like it should be a JDI feature … I naturally have no real idea about the programming effort and testing necessary, but to me as a user a dialog like that seems remarkably outdated and disruptive.

                              • 12. Re: Photoshop CS 6 Beta
                                Chris Cox Adobe Employee

                                >> should be a JDI feature

                                 

                                That's far from a JDI feature.

                                JDI features are quick things that don't need a lot of coding or testing time, and are obvious improvements.

                                This actually doesn't fit any of those criteria (even if it seems obvious to you on the outside).

                                • 13. Re: Photoshop CS 6 Beta
                                  Noel Carboni Community Member

                                  Nonetheless, you should set up a new empty filter framework then put a bunch of your junior people on updating existing filters.  You could probably get it to where it only takes a week or two per ancient old filter, including time to update the algorithms to handle deeper data.

                                   

                                  You want to send some contract work my way? 

                                   

                                  -Noel

                                  • 14. Re: Photoshop CS 6 Beta
                                    Jaco Steenkamp

                                    SERIOUSLY! Dude what do you do for a living? Sounds like you use Photoshop to edit family photos.

                                     

                                    I’m the owner and creative director of a very successful ad agency and have been designing for 18 years. Up to a year ago Corel has been my design weapon of choice and I just used Photoshop for photo edit. So I took the plunge and purchased a 2.7 i7 MacBook Pro and bought CS5, As we all know Corel do not develop for MAC OS so I had no choice but to take the leap and convert to the Adobe way of thinking.

                                     

                                    The transition process took about a week but once I got my head around the CS family a new world opened up. I just downloaded the CS6 Beta and of the bat it just feels right. Don’t get me wrong I don’t confess to be a Adobe specialist by a long shot but everything just seem to be and work the way a designer thinks. The 3D and video integration is amazing! But the one thing that I love is the fact that the Brush presets on tool selection is right there and I can see how the tool behaves in real time.

                                     

                                    The platform seems to be more responsive than CS5 as well.

                                     

                                    -Agfaclack- wrote:

                                     

                                    but lets be honest.... are you excited about the new photoshop CS 6?

                                     

                                    DO I LIKE IT… NO I LOVE IT! In my mind there is nothing BORING about the new flavor of Photoshop.

                                     

                                    Cannot wait for the Upgrade!!! The darker interface is also a welcome change, its almost as if the work area pops out.

                                    • 15. Re: Photoshop CS 6 Beta
                                      c.pfaffenbichler Community Member

                                      That's far from a JDI feature.

                                      JDI features are quick things that don't need a lot of coding or testing time, and are obvious improvements.

                                      Personally I feel updated dialogs for those older Filters would meet the last ctiterium (»obvious improvement«), the other criteria I am indeed in no position to judge.

                                      • 16. Re: Photoshop CS 6 Beta
                                        Daniel Presedo > dramenon Adobe Employee

                                        Noel, your words and ideas are not lost. Some of us hear you loud and clear.

                                         

                                        • 17. Re: Photoshop CS 6 Beta
                                          chirp88 Community Member

                                          Adobe has added some things in this release that will help and I've been asking for for about 7 years now: text and paragraph styles. So, thank you Adobe.

                                          Dark interface = bad. Everybody says it puts emphasis on the image you're working on. Really? If you stare at white text on a dark background for 8 hours a day you will get headaches and your eyesight will worsen. You can get convergence fatigue and eye strain. Fortunately, Adobe is giving us a choice to still use a lighter interface. I recommend everyone use it.

                                           

                                          However, they did not add Symbols, 9-Slice scaling, or better Graphic Styles. I've been requesting these for at least 4 years.

                                          Another is MUCH better spot color support. This feature hasn't been touched since it was added back in the late 90s sometime. It still forces me to rasterize all text or objects that I want to go on a spot color channel and force them all into this one channel manually. Photoshop can do all this amazing 3D editing now and they still can't figure out a way for it to sense when you specify a Pantone color for text or a vector shape and automatically create a spot channel for it? That is ridiculous. Print is NOT dead. And Illustrator is NOT the only software used to make spot color artwork. I make a feature request for this literally once per year. I am obviously the only one. And I must be the only one making all these other requests as well.

                                           

                                          Hmm.

                                          • 18. Re: Photoshop CS 6 Beta
                                            Noel Carboni Community Member

                                            chirp88 wrote:

                                             

                                            Dark interface = bad. Everybody says it puts emphasis on the image you're working on. Really? If you stare at white text on a dark background for 8 hours a day you will get headaches and your eyesight will worsen.

                                             

                                            NOT!

                                             

                                            To each his own.  I'm a 35 year career software engineer who prefers light text on a dark background.  A good monitor is essential for this.  I have two.

                                             

                                            Somehow I don't think you're *quite* the only one making improvement requests.  But thanks for all the improvements you have requested.  I'm sure they helped Adobe make the product better!

                                             

                                            -Noel

                                            • 19. Re: Photoshop CS 6 Beta
                                              chirp88 Community Member

                                              Another thing that would greatly help between releases is to make migrating from CS5 to CS6 easy. CS6 should have an option to read all of your brush, color, shape, swatch, pattern, texture and preferences and automatically import them. It takes quite a while to set all that up in a new version every time, especially if you're an artist and have tons of custom settings.

                                              • 20. Re: Photoshop CS 6 Beta
                                                PECourtejoie CommunityMVP

                                                Chirp. there is a migration script built in. BUT you need to do your homework first: you need to save the presets on your hard drive at the correct location (the presets folder nested inside an adobe folder on your user account)

                                                If you have unsaved actions, presets and Photoshop crashes, and you need to re-create all your preference, all unsaved data is lost. So remember to save your presets to the hard drive, then the migration script can kick in. (there was a standalone migration script for CS4>CS5:

                                                 

                                                http://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb/move-actions-presets-workspaces-photoshop.html )

                                                • 21. Re: Photoshop CS 6 Beta
                                                  -Agfaclack- Community Member

                                                  Jaco Steenkamp wrote:

                                                   

                                                  SERIOUSLY! Dude what do you do for a living? Sounds like you use Photoshop to edit family photos.

                                                   

                                                  I’m the owner and creative director of a very successful ad agency and have been designing for 18 years. Up to a year ago Corel has been my design weapon of choice and I just used Photoshop for photo edit. So I took the plunge and purchased a 2.7 i7 MacBook Pro and bought CS5, As we all know Corel do not develop for MAC OS so I had no choice but to take the leap and convert to the Adobe way of thinking.

                                                   

                                                  The transition process took about a week but once I got my head around the CS family a new world opened up. I just downloaded the CS6 Beta and of the bat it just feels right. Don’t get me wrong I don’t confess to be a Adobe specialist by a long shot but everything just seem to be and work the way a designer thinks. The 3D and video integration is amazing! But the one thing that I love is the fact that the Brush presets on tool selection is right there and I can see how the tool behaves in real time.

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  im an engineer... im doing 3D max and catia, i-deas work for a living and some AE work if needed. beside editing photos and making fineart prints (privat) i need PS at work for editing textures.

                                                  i wrote that already in this thread... but i guess you have not read more then 2 sentences, im right?

                                                   

                                                  so dude, what has your "blahblah".. to do with my complains about PS6.. i will tell you:  NOTHING.

                                                   

                                                  so instead of asking for other peoples profession i suggest you learn to read more carefully and think about what your reading.

                                                   

                                                  im sure you have many things to explore and learn and that´s fine and will sure add to your excitement.... well i am using PS for a long time so excuse me that im not as exited by the updates in CS6 as you are.... who are completely NEW to PS. 

                                                  • 22. Re: Photoshop CS 6 Beta
                                                    station_one Community Member

                                                    Jaco Steenkamp wrote:

                                                     

                                                    Sounds like you use Photoshop to edit family photos…

                                                     

                                                      Some of us see nothing wrong with using Photoshop to edit photographs—of any and all kinds.