9 Replies Latest reply: Apr 9, 2012 6:05 PM by Pete.Green RSS

    Shape Layers, the vector Shape Path and the obtrusive active path default

    Jeff Holter

      There have been a few discussions and comments on this topic already, and as many suggestions as to how to deal with it, but after giving several days and hoping to just get used to it, I've arrived at the decision that it totally blows.

      When you select a Shape Layer to edit it's Effects, it's Path, it's contents, or anything else, the Path (formerly the Vector Mask) is automatically active. I believe I speak for a lot of people when I submit that the way this works now makes that path totally obtrusive. No matter what I do, the path is automatically active. Not 'selected' with points visible and all that, but just active and visible, making any kind of adjustments to Effects, especially strokes and bevels and anything that is dependant on the edge of the shape or path, very hard to view and work with.

       

      In all the past versions of Photoshop, you would simply shift-click on the Shape Layer's thumbnail to activate the Path, or Vector Mask, to view it or work with it directly. That was a sensible approach to working with the path. The way it is now makes the path active every time I try to adjust an Effect. As soon as I click on the Shape Layer, the path is active and visible. If I double click on the Shape Layer to add or edit Effects, the path is automatically active and it cannot be deselected when you are already in the Effects dialog panels, so the path stays highlighted and interferring with every Effect I attempt to edit.

       

      I suggest that we go back to something similar to the way it was before. When you select a Shape Layer, only the Shape Layer is active until you actually select the Shape Path specifically to work with it. Either way it's an extra step, an extra click, etc., but I would rather have that option to make the path visible by selection rather than by default.

       

      It's a serious bummer because of the amount of time I spend working with Shape Layers and Paths.

       

      On a positive note however, everything else about the new Shape Paths features works great and I love it. The paths are more integrated like regular Layers now and I find it very functional and easy to work with.

      I've been working CS6 really hard over the past few days and haven't had a single critical issue. I've had nothing to post, submit or discuss! This is the most stable beta I've worked with to date.

      Great job, Adobe!

        • 1. Re: Shape Layers, the vector Shape Path and the obtrusive active path default
          Pete.Green Employee Hosts

          Thanks for the feedback Jeff. Glad you enjoy the rest of it aside from the shape layer path visibility workflow. I've passed your feedback on.

          Thanks again.

          • 2. Re: Shape Layers, the vector Shape Path and the obtrusive active path default
            Mike_Abbott Community Member

            I agree with Jeff.

             

            As Jeff notes there are multiple threads discussing aspects of the vector / shape layer changes. If you read them I think you'll find a strong consensus on this issue of default shape path visibility - that it should be off by default.

            • 3. Re: Shape Layers, the vector Shape Path and the obtrusive active path default
              Jeff Holter Community Member

              Thanks Pete and Mike!

               

              As I just mentioned in another post about the crop tool and it's new stuff, I would be disappointed if tools and features DIDN'T change with each major release of any CS app. These apps have to evolve with the times and technology, and change to the UI/UX is inevitably part of the process. Other than some minor stuff, like this active path affair, I have had no problems with this beta and am confident that the Adobe team will have the bugs worked out before the final release. They always do.

               

              Honestly, this beta has been working so well for me that I have had very little to report. One or two minor bugs I think. This one isn't a bug, just an oversight.

               

              I say fix the active path by default and we're good to go! The UI and features are great otherwise.

              • 4. Re: Shape Layers, the vector Shape Path and the obtrusive active path default
                Foster Brereton Adobe Employee

                Hi Jeff,

                 

                Thanks for the feedback - this issue is something we are actively investigating, as we are aware of the breadth of user issues with the way things are now.

                 

                On a related note you can disable the viewing of the shape's path by going to the View menu -> Show -> Target Path with a shape selected in the layers panel. This is more of a workaround than a solution, and the next time you create a shape it will turn itself on (again, something we are also investigating.) All the same I hope it will ease some of the pain points you are seeing.

                 

                Thank you again for the feedback, I'm glad to hear you are enjoying the rest of the shape feature additions!

                • 5. Re: Shape Layers, the vector Shape Path and the obtrusive active path default
                  Jeff Holter Community Member

                  Hi Foster -

                   

                  Thanks for following up on this. Of all the non-critical bugs (although this isn't really a bug) found in this beta, this one really impedes my productivity. I'm so glad you folks are investigating this one.

                   

                  I have tried everything I know about PS and paths, shape layers, vector masks, etc., to come up with a temporary workaround for this one, including turning off the 'Target Path' option in View > Show, but that darn path just comes right back on every time you go back to a Shape Layer. So turning off the Target Path is a one-time-per-action option, which just creates an extra step. I do appreciate the gesture though, so thanks for trying!

                   

                  I have faith in you guys. Now that this has been called out and noted, I'm fairly confident that it will get resolved.

                   

                  ~ On another path related subject, I'd also just like to throw out there my one other wish for paths which is a folder/grouping feature for paths in the Paths panel. It would be huge help in organizing paths. It's a minor feature request I've been requesting since CS3! I know it's probably too late in the game for this release, but as long as I have your attention, could you please pass it along to the team?

                   

                  Thanks again for looking into this issue. I think it would make lots of folks happy if it was resolved.

                  • 6. Re: Shape Layers, the vector Shape Path and the obtrusive active path default
                    Foster Brereton Adobe Employee

                    Hi Jeff,

                    that darn path just comes right back on every time you go back to a Shape Layer

                     

                    That's really strange as the setting should be sticky, and to my knowledge it only reactivates when a new shape is created. Are you doing anything between selections of various shape layers, or is it simply a matter of selecting another shape layer that causes the setting to reenable?

                    ~ On another path related subject, I'd also just like to throw out there my one other wish for paths which is a folder/grouping feature for paths in the Paths panel. It would be huge help in organizing paths. It's a minor feature request I've been requesting since CS3! I know it's probably too late in the game for this release, but as long as I have your attention, could you please pass it along to the team?

                     

                    I'll pass this along, thanks!

                    • 7. Re: Shape Layers, the vector Shape Path and the obtrusive active path default
                      Jeff Holter Community Member

                      Hi Foster -

                       

                      Unfortunately, that darn path comes back on if you leave a Shape Layer, go to another Layer/Shape Layer, then go back to that original Shape Layer and it's active again, after turning off the Target Path.

                      You are correct about the Target Path being sticky, and it does retain it's 'sticky' status temporarily. For example, if I set Shape Layer A's Target Path to off, I can navigate around in Shape Layer A, even Layer FX, and the path stays off. That's fine, but...

                      If I move to another Layer or Shape Layer B, for example, then Shape Layer B has an active Target Path. Turn off Target Path for SLB, repeat process... Go back to Shape Layer A and Target Path is active again.

                      While it should remain sticky, it only does so temporarily.

                       

                      Also, if you turn off the Target Path for a shape layer and do some editing in that layer, the setting is cancelled if you should happen to select the path by clicking on the actual path in the Shape Layer. And as far as I can tell, it will cancel the Target Path setting across the board by doing so.

                       

                      It's a major thing for me as I use Shape Layers and paths as often as possible for creatiing scalable art/graphics for iOS devices and web. I need to be able to edit all the Effects and other properties of a Shape Layer, with the Target Path off unless selected directly for editing it's shape path, otherwise it's visual disturbance for all other adjustments.

                      Kind of a nuisance, I know.

                      • 8. Re: Shape Layers, the vector Shape Path and the obtrusive active path default
                        tgines2 Community Member

                        I agree with everything Jeff is saying as it also impedes my productivity. I have CS6 sitting on my dock, waiting to be used more but I can't until that one thing is fixed. As a UI designer, a majority of my layers are vector shapes with layer effects on them. So, seeing a vector outline every time i select the layer ruins the flow.

                         

                        Please keep us posted on this specific update. I've been religiously checking the adobe updater and these forums for more news.

                         

                        Thanks!

                        • 9. Re: Shape Layers, the vector Shape Path and the obtrusive active path default
                          Pete.Green Employee Hosts

                          I know it's not the reply you're looking for yet,

                               but you're still able to hide the path using the Enter key while the target path is visible.

                           

                          It will hide the path for the layer your'e currently working on, enter again will show the path.