13 Replies Latest reply: Apr 8, 2012 7:22 AM by PYarnall RSS

    Auto develop way off?

    PYarnall

      I upgraded to LR4 via an upgrade disk (V4.0).  I have been a long time LR user.  V3.6 that I was using had a very good "auto" in the develop section.  I worked up a preset using auto, lens correction, added calrity and vibrance as a one click, "let's see what I get", action.  Very often I was quite satisfied with this preset and would often add only minor adjustments to the  various sliders and do other local adjustments as needed.

       

      LR4 'auto', at least in my install, is really broken as far as exposure adjustment.  It consistently drags down exposure anywhere from 1 to 2.5 stops. Really quite unsatisfactory.  With a LOT of images to process, not having my preset functioning is a real time killer.  Has anyone else noticed this behaviour?

       

      I am also getting a "Version check unsucessful" error message everytime I check for updates.  This is a bit disturbing as my internet connection is fine and I have no way of determing if the Adobe server is on line. The upgrade install went without incident and I have not noticed any slowdown or other problems (so far) that others have noted.

       

      I am running a Mac Pro with 14 G ram.

        • 1. Re: Auto develop way off?
          christianbobak Community Member

          This reminds me: Is there any way to disable that auto develope feature? I look at the RAW files and they look fine, but after uploading them to Lightroom, the program automatically makes a bunch of wacky adjustments I  do not like.

          • 2. Re: Auto develop way off?
            Lee Jay Community Member

            PYarnall wrote:

             

            Has anyone else noticed this behaviour?

             

            A simple forum search would have turned up the other threads.

            • 3. Re: Auto develop way off?
              christianbobak Community Member

              What an amazing help you've been, Lee Jay.

              • 4. Re: Auto develop way off?
                Lee Jay Community Member

                christianbobak wrote:

                 

                What an amazing help you've been, Lee Jay.

                 

                http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/English_proverbs#G

                 

                "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."

                 

                Your own question is unrelated to this thread, and since it's the most frequently-asked frequently-asked-question, perhaps you could visit the forum FAQ and have a look at the top of page 2.

                • 5. Re: Auto develop way off?
                  christianbobak Community Member

                  Of course, the time you spent typing all that out, you could have just answered the question, but then I guess that would have meant passing up the opportunity to demonstrate for us your vast mental prowess in being able to post a glib response.

                  • 6. Re: Auto develop way off?
                    christianbobak Community Member

                    Okay smart guy. Here is a copy and paste from the FAQ. Maybe it's because I'm just a retard, or whatever, but I don't see an answer to my question, which is how does one stop Lightroom from doing that:

                     

                    Why does the color and or tone of my image change after import?

                    Q - Why does the color and/or tone of my image change after import?

                     

                    Response courtesy of Jeff Schewe:

                     

                    A - When you import into Lightroom the first thumbnails you will see appear

                    are the embedded thumbnails in your images. In the case of raw files, the

                    thumbnails are automatically generated by your camera but based only on your

                    camera's settings, not Lightroom's default settings for your camera.

                     

                    After importing and depending on Preview settings (whether you chose to

                    generate "full-sized" preview upon import), Lightroom will generate a thumbnail and

                    preview based upon Lightrooms default settings for your camera-unless you

                    also chose to import while applying a Develop preset.

                     

                     

                    Why don't they match? Because cameras processed thumbnails are based upon

                    the camera company's defaults, and the odds are that the Lightroom

                    interpretation of the same image data will be different.

                     

                    Which is correct? Technically, in the case of a raw file, there is no

                    "correct" answer. Raw files need to be rendered.

                     

                    One of the advantages of shooting raw is that the resulting raw capture is

                    open to various renderings without any destruction to the original

                    data-meaning you can change and alter the image to make it look the way YOU

                    want.

                     

                    If you are constantly altering the settings for images a certain way, it may

                    be that you should create a Develop preset so you can automatically apply

                    that when you import. Adjusting the general settings such as Brightness and

                    Contrast or Saturation or Vibrance or in the Calibrate panel, (the way in

                    which colors are rendered) can be saved as a user named setting that you can

                    apply when importing image from your camera.

                     

                    It should be noted however, that image or scene specific settings may still

                    need to be applied image by image.

                     

                    Note: above discussion also applies to images shot with B&W settings in camera.

                    • 7. Re: Auto develop way off?
                      DdeGannes MVP

                      Quote " which is how do you stop Lightroom from doing that?".

                       

                      You cant.....

                      because Lightroom software has a different chef than your camera manufacturer and he does not have access to their recipe. Simple.

                       

                      Why would you pay a lot of money for Adobe to provide you with a raw processor that provides you with the same rendition of the raw file from your camera as the free software provided by your camera manufacturer.

                      Surely you are expecting to recieve some value for you money. What makes you think that the rendition from your camara is closer to "reality" than the one from Lightroom.

                       

                      Your camera manufacturer is only producing a rendition that they believe is more "pleasing" to the user.

                       

                      In the days of film, negative and slide, you had Kodak, Fuji, Agfa, etc, with each having multiple variations to choose from, thats what allows the user to be creative and not be a clone.

                      • 8. Re: Auto develop way off?
                        christianbobak Community Member

                        DdeGannes wrote:

                         

                        What makes you think that the rendition from your camara is closer to "reality" than the one from Lightroom.

                         

                         

                         

                        Because it looks ten times better than what Lightroom thinks it looks like, and it actually looks quite a bit closer to what I saw with my naked eye.

                        • 9. Re: Auto develop way off?
                          areohbee Community Member

                          To have images imported in Lr look same as camera/nx2:

                           

                          http://forums.adobe.com/message/4320510#4320510

                          • 10. Re: Auto develop way off?
                            Cornelia-I Community Member

                            Just for the sake of completeness: there is a tick in the preference settings to apply full auto-develop.

                            To my taste this should be off.

                            If you see very strange results from Lightroom it might be worth while to quickly check the setting.

                             

                            Going back to the OP topic: i find auto in LR4-develop inconsistent: sometimes really good, sometimes far off, which can be both to under- or over-exposure side.

                            I should mention perhaps that I strive to expose-to-the-right: usually an exposure bias of +2/3 if not more carefully chosen for farther to the limit of burning out highlights. The image-adaptive nature of PV2012 deals quite marvellously with that and almost never do I need to apply -2/3 exposure, as one might expect with my in-camera bias.

                            Partial auto for blacks and whites is often preferable to full auto (i.e. Holding shift while double-clicking on the slider label).

                             

                            Full auto rarely does a good job on the Nikon D3S, but more often on the D300S and even more often on the Canon G12 and S90. Camera profile vs. Adobe Standard calibration as first default is also a question I answer differently for each of these cameras.

                             

                            Cornelia

                            • 11. Re: Auto develop way off?
                              Keith_Reeder Community Member

                              Hey Christian, drop the snotty attitude, eh?

                              • 12. Re: Auto develop way off?
                                Scooby007 Community Member

                                I'm telling you, auto-tone works poorly because it's programmed to cinch up the highlights in the histogram every time, which is real world practice (contrary to common misconceptions) is not desirable much of the time, and often will produce horrible results. This is why it always overexposes!

                                • 13. Re: Auto develop way off?
                                  PYarnall Community Member

                                  I apologize for not discovering the existing threads on this subject in the search I DID do prior to posting.  The  threads I found were all old and in reference to earlier versions of LR.  Perhaps I missed it in the search results. Sorry to have annoyed you.

                                   

                                  It is clear that auto tone performance is inconsistent accross a variety of image files.  In continuing to try a  number of sample images, "inconsistent", would be the best descriptor, both for my 5DM2 RAW files, and my Sony NEX 7 RAW files.  Some files adjust perfectly, a few over expose, most under expose.  I do a lot of HDR from LR using PM & Nik and always follow up with final touches in LR.  These TIF files are much more likely to under expose with auto... sometimes rather severly. FWIW.

                                   

                                  I recall that in earlier versions of LR  the auto tone was quite un-predictable, but Adobe ultimately got it right, at least for my Canon files.  I am confident LR4 will see refinements in that regard as well.  The feed back from these various threads help the development guys resolve issues, so I do not apologize for raising my hand.