Probably best to wait for Lightroom 4.1 to be released. They seem to have worked out a lot of the major issues and that release should be worthy of your money. Aperture is also a good piece of software, but it is getting a little long in the tooth and is probably due for an upgrade, so to buy it now may be throwing money away, as there seems to be no upgrade path in the App store, only full versions. I suspect a new version of Aperture is coming, but no one knows for sure. Just get your Mac, start off using iPhoto (which comes with it) and see if that does what you need. Coming from Capture NX2, I imagine you'll want Lightroom 4 in the end. The price of Lightroom is now 50% less than previous versions, so well worth the money.
Either way, download the free trial versions of each and spend 30 days with them before plunking down your hard earned cash.
Thanks for the replies. No good waiting for L4.1 as it seems to have arrived, but still with variou problems. One thing I just read on an Aperture 3 review is that you can only open 1 external editor with it, which surprises me, and kind of knocks Aperture back a bit in the reckoning.
To be honest I am worried about downloading a 'trial' as am worried about messing up my photos / new imac which I am waiting to buy, so will hold
off a while to see if ADOBE sort out Lightroom 4. Thanks
Roy Kaye wrote:
No good waiting for L4.1 as it seems to have arrived, but still with variou problems.
No, it's LR4.1 "Release Candidate". Not quite the same thing.
Over this (note: over this) I have some sympathy with Adobe. I don't for a minute doubt the integrity or capability of the developers, and I'm sure they were confident that LR4.0 was fit to go, but it appears to have a number of bugs and issues not apparent in the beta. These were serious enough that they needed to rush out a fix asap, and hence LR4.1 RC. But the speed of getting this version out has clearly meant it's still "work in progress". Presumably the release version of LR4.1 will appear fairly soon, but I wonder if it will take a further release to get rid of some of the issues.
CSS Simon wrote:
...but I wonder if it will take a further release to get rid of some of the issues.
I'm guessing it will be similar to how things went with Lr1, 2, & 3... - the .0 version works well enough for most people, but each dot release gets a little better...
PS - I'm not sure buying Aperture is "playing it safe" ;-}
PS - No reason to wait to try - the majority of people are not having the issues of the vocal minority... - if you are one of the unlucky ones, then of course wait and hope...
Hi, I'm old and computer-challenged and just plunked down some of my Soc Sec bucks to upgrade (to take advantage of the prices) from LR2 to LR4 and to upgrade my CS3 to CS5 and the discs will arrive in a couple of days. So, have been reading for several days, here and elsewhere, to see what I need to know before installing. Although there appear to be some 'problems' I've had LR since the very beginning and never had a glitch (knock on wood) in upgrading. My inclination is to go ahead and install the new discs, see how it goes, and then wait for LR4.1 (NOT the RC, but the final version) before updating LR 4 and NOT jump into LR4.1RC (which, it appears, is a whole NEW UPGRADE).
I really don't want to screw up the smooth-running programs I've had for several years. Does that sound reasonable and are there any other things I should adjust, watch, change ???
You can download the free 30 day trial and test with a sample of images. It will install seperately from your existing version of Lightroom and you can upgrade your existing catalog to make a compatable version for LR 4. Your present catalog will remain in place. One thing I would suggest is that you do not activate "auto write to .xmp" so you do not interfere with the existing .xmp files from your earlier version of Lightroom. When you are satisfied with the performance of the new version you can just imput the new license key when you receive the disks in the mail.
I've upgraded to LR 4 with no problems at all. As many people have found, it is slower than LR3 and I hope that can be addressed.
I agree with the OP that most of this forum seems to be concerned with complaints and faults and it would be nice if more of it were about using LR. Nonetheless, I am a bit of a dab hand with the program now and I learnt much of what I know from asking questions and getting good answers from people here.
From my own experience, I don't think that LR has more problems than any other piece of software. It is doing a complicated job and always developing. User input here must be very handy for Adobe.
Roy as has beend eatiled, the vast majority have no issue with Lr4 (me included) but rest assured the Adobe Lr team are working hard on sorting out issues. I know of no Apple forums like this where the interaction is only moderately moderated so pretty much anything goes including people letting off steam, that says something about Adobe.
This is a user to user forum but is loosely watched by the Adobe team and problems picked up on. The correct site for problems, ideas, etc is Photoshop.com.
Also Lightroomforums.net is a great resource for getting assistance using Lightroom and is independent of Adobe but run by experts in Lightroom.
Roy Kaye wrote:
Thanks for your advice. I think Lightroom is a better bet over Aperture as long as there are no problems, but I will buy Aperture
if my patience with Adobe runs out. Thanks
Most of the bugs in LR4.0 or 4.1RC bite people with data from previous versions.
If you start afresh you are unlikely to get hit by most of them. Just maybe do not create a book yet.
As a newbie you are far more likely to hurt yourself by misunderstanding of basic concepts and features. As we all have been...
So before actually doing much inside LR take your time and -depending on your learning style- watch videos of Adobe TV and read good instruction material (e.g. http://www.lightroomqueen.com/category/book-news/excerpts/).
The most important topic to cover is how to organize your photos in storage and in LR.
>I agree with the OP that most of this forum seems to be concerned with complaints and faults and it would be nice if more of it were about using LR.
This is a technical support forum, not a "how do I use Lightroom" forum.
I seem to have been taken in by the title Lightroom Discussion - I assumed it meant anything you wanted to discuss about Lightroom. In the OPs case, this is the wrong forum then because he is asking whether he should wait to buy LR, if so how long, or should he buy Aperture instead? Those are definitely no technical discussion.
Are you an Adobe employee, dmcrescent? If so, can you confirm that the OP should not have asked his question on this forum (and presumably advise Geoff the Kiwi, as a community professional, that he should not have answered it). Maybe Geoff could confirm that this forum is for technical discussion only?
I had never realised that since much of my working knowledge of LR was garnered from helpful people here and I 'd be sad not to have the benefit of such a learning resource.
Roy Kaye wrote:
Hello, I am not very technical, but enjoy taking photos, and editing them - I have been using Nikon Capture nx2, and thought I had decided to change to Lightroom - that is until I spent many hours on the internet reading about the problems with Lightroom 4. I just wonder if it is usual to have these problems when there is a software upgrade, or should I be worried, and for those who may have experienced this sort of thing how long might it take before I can buy L4 safe in the knowledge that a)my photos will be safe and b)I can just use it.
As a newcomer to LR my guess is you will have far fewer issues with LR4 than "experienced" LR users. LR4 incorporates the first radical change to the Develop module's Basic tools (Process 2012). User with considerable experience using LR 1, 2 & 3 (Process 2003 & 2010) Basic tools are the ones complaining the loudest, and for good reason. After spending countless hours (years?) honing skills using LR's tools, they now have to sort of "start all over." You still have the choice to use LR3's Process 2010 Basis tools in LR4, but then "you're throwing away the baby with the bath water."
I think you will be pleased with LR4 coming from NX2. That said there are some bugs that LR 4.1 RC fixes, so I suggest downloading and reviewing it over the LR 4 released trial version:
I'm not sure when LR 4.1 final version will be released, but IMHO it's worth the wait. In the interim you can get some experience with what LR4.1 RC has to offer you by actually working with it. I suggest you continue using NX2 on your image files and compare the results to what you can obtain with some of the images in LR4.1 RC. To prevent "messing up" your image files (a valid concern), make copies of the files you want to use for comparison purposes and put them in a separate folder that you only import into LR.
For guidance Rob Cole has provided a link to a great mini-tutorial he posted in the forums, started here:
and continued here:
As already mentioned LR4 will only get better in future update releases (LR4.x). The situation is no different for Apple's products, just Google Aperture 3 problems.
Lightroom has a lot of happy users and all the users who doesn't have any problems will not write a post of their positive experience. This is a "help me with a problem" forum and you should not base you opinion on Lightroom quality from reading here.
I used Capture before and had a lot of issues. It was slow and had a lot of bugs. Nikon had no forum and employees didn't contribute in other forums when questions was asked. The workflow was very time consuming.
I've used Lightroom since LR 1 and I am extreemly happy with the software. No problems at all For every version LR has been improved a lot and I think it's much better then Capture now.
If you like Nikon color I will suggest you use the Camera profiles included in LR. I think Nikons color are too orange and use Colorchecker to get better color.
Rob Cole wrote:
continued here: http://forums.adobe.com/message/4259091#4259091
Rob contribute a lot in this forums with more advanced issues/ideas but I don't think it's a good idea to start her for a new user. No reason to make things more complicated then needed. Start with videos from Julian Kost (free) and Liminous Landscape (a few dollars).
Great info/support on this forum, which has swayed me towards Lightroom 4. Not a problem as such, but just read that when raw (I will use DNG) goes from Lightroom to NIK plugin (which I will be using), the DNG will be changed to a TIFF. I'm not very experienced, and wonder how this will affect things. I mean say, just as an example, in future I upgrade to say Lightroom 5, and it handles files differently, my edited files, including work done in NIK plug-ins, will then be in TIFF format. Would I therefore need to save unedited DNGs, and then do edits all over again in say LR5?
Should I be worried about having TIFFs instead of DNGs after editing in external editors / should I and can I change the TIFFs back to DNGs?
And is there any software comparable to NIK that can do similar things (I was looking at the full NIK suite)
I would start wih LR4 and see if you need the NIK plugin at all...
NIK or any other external editors (like Photoshop) will not change your DNG file. When you start an external editor LR make a TIFF file with all the editing from LR included. NIK use this for further editing. The DNG file are still there but usally hidden in a stack with the TIFF on the top.
When LR comes with a new version it doesn't change your TIFF and JPG files. It also keep the old process version for all your RAW files - only newly imported RAW files get the latest process version automatically. In my library I still have files edited with process version 2003 and 2010. I only upgrade old photos to process version 2012 when i want to reedit a picture.
Hi, I'm old and computer-challenged and just plunked down some of my Soc Sec bucks to upgrade (to take advantage of the prices) from LR2 to LR4 and to upgrade my CS3 to CS5 and the discs will arrive in a couple of days.
If you ordered your CS5 (I assume you mean Photoshop CS5) on or after March 26 from the official Adobe store, you get a free upgrade to Photoshop CS6 when it comes out http://store.adobe.com/store/en_us/popup/offer/cs55_cs6_faq.html
acresofgreen, how kind of you to send the 'heads up'! I had ordered both LR 4 and PCS5 on March 27 - made it under the wire evidently for the upgrade to PCS6! Thanks for the link.
Incidentally, I, too, went ahead and upgraded to LR 4 - BUT will wait for LR 4.1 until they shake out any glitches in the RC. LR 4 is doing well - the only problem is that the larger folders to not show the photos in the Library. Can still work in Develop module, though. It's just not very convenient, particularly for filtering searches in ALL PHOTOS . . . . . . . . . . . . . ahhh, well!