7 Replies Latest reply: Apr 13, 2012 1:29 PM by CameraAnn RSS

    Ease of rotating and cropping images in CS6

    OC Photoworx Community Member

      There is much I like about the new crop: Rotating the image instead of the box is SO much easier and the straighten option is a great time saver.


      But in one instance, I'm finding cropping in CS6 to be harder: Cropping images that are not correctly oriented in the first place.  Rotating an image 90-degrees was a snap in CS2: Alt-I/E/0.  The shortcut keys are gone in CS6, so using the rotation command is no longer quick.


      But I can do it in the crop box, right?  True -- but not easily.  The image is landscape, the crop box is portrait.  With the crop tool selected, holding the shift key down to get fixed-increment rotations doesn't work: Pressing the SHIFT key changes the cursor from rotation to the crop cursor.  To get the rotation, I have to start rotating the image and then press SHIFT to get 15-degree increments.  A few moments later, I have rotated the image into portrait orientation -- and the crop box is now centered on the image, but it is set to crop the middle.  I have to drag the handles out to get approximately what I want: The full image in the crop box.  (What I want is what I would get if I rotate the image with the Rotate command, then control-zero to fill the screen, and then select the crop tool.)


      We rotate a lot of images.  It's easy to do in CS2 and the two approaches I've found for CS6 are both awkward.  The new crop tool has replaced the dual arrows in older versions (to swap the horizontal and vertical sizes) with a rotation arrow.  I think you should restore the arrows (and their function) -- then use the rotate button to rotate the image, not the crop box.  (Isn't that the design center for the new crop box?  We're moving the image, not the crop box.)

        • 1. Re: Ease of rotating and cropping images in CS6
          HowardPinsky ACP

          You can edit your keyboard shortcuts (Edit > Keyboard Shortcuts) to assign keys to the Image Rotation menu item.


          When you're in the Keyboard Shortcuts window, select Application Menus from the Shortcuts For dropdown. Then expand Image >, scroll down until you find Image Rotation, then assign your shortcut of choice.

          • 2. Re: Ease of rotating and cropping images in CS6
            OC Photoworx Community Member

            Howard, thanks for the pointer on configuring keyboard shortcuts.


            I think my point about the crop box user interface is still valid: There should be a simple, quick way to rotate the image in 90-degree chunks.


            Perhaps keep the rotation icon, but make it multifunctional: By itself, the icon rotates the image; add the SHIFT or CONTROL key to rotate the crop box.

            • 3. Re: Ease of rotating and cropping images in CS6
              HowardPinsky ACP

              I can see where the behavior can be a bit awkward. I took moment to play with your steps in the first post. This may help.


              When you activate the Crop Tool, rotate the image using the method you posted (start rotating then hold Shift). Once the image is in a portrait orientation, press the X key on your keyboard to rotate the Crop box. Press Return/Enter to accept. That will rotate the crop to landscape as well, and fill the image.


              It might help a touch, but I agree, it's slightly awkward, especially with the 'rotate first, then hold shift' step.

              • 4. Re: Ease of rotating and cropping images in CS6
                Noel Carboni Community Member

                Just a side note...


                So many digital imaging systems now set an orientation flag in the images...  Can we assume you're scanning images from film or something?  Why aren't you getting correctly-oriented images in the first place?  Just curious.  Maybe if that were made better this would be a non-problem for you.



                • 5. Re: Ease of rotating and cropping images in CS6
                  OC Photoworx Community Member

                  Howard, thanks for the tip about the X key; didn't realize it worked that way when the crop tool is active.  But in this case I had set the crop box dimenions, so the crop box starts out with the correct orientation.  Having played with this for a day, I conclude that the best approach for this task is to restore the old keyboard conventions for image rotation and rotate the image before launching the crop tool.


                  I stand by my observation that the rotate key should affect the image, not the crop box because that is consistent with the new cropping paradigm: We rotate the image, not the crop box.  I realize making a change this late in the development cycle is awkward -- but if CS6 ships with this behavior, it will become even harder to change later -- and the user interface should be as consistent as possible.


                  Noel, you are correct: The images are coming from scanned film.  All frames get scanned with the same orientation.  I want to avoid the "Patient: Doctor, it hurts when I do this.  Doctor: Then don't do that!" scenario.  Granted: If images are "correctly" oriented, this issue doesn't arise.  But not all images are oriented correctly and CS6 should be at least as graceful in handling the task as previous versions.

                  • 6. Re: Ease of rotating and cropping images in CS6
                    Togalab18 Community Member

                    I was also wondering if it is possible to rotate a selection when using the Content Aware...Move tool? I tried this tool to move a selection, but it would only allow me to move the selection laterally. I did not see any rotate arrows for the selection, which I need for a more precise move. Cheers

                    • 7. Re: Ease of rotating and cropping images in CS6
                      CameraAnn Community Member

                      After you have Moved the item, and before you drop the Selection, you should be able to Transform>Rotate it.


                      Work on an overlying empty Layer with "Sample All Layers" checked; and use a Layer Mask or the Eraser to clean up any rough edges or unwanted material