10 Replies Latest reply: Apr 18, 2012 7:08 AM by Curt Y RSS

    Bridge freezes when applying camera raw settings to large number of files

    Martin Klefas

      I have a folder with 32,000 frames from a time-lapse project that I'm doing. I'd like to apply the same camera raw adjustments to all of these files, and so follow one of the two methods below - neither of which are working with such a large set of files:

      Method 1:

      1. Select all files, open in camera raw.
      2. Apply changes to the first image
      3. Select all images, then synchronize the changes to all other images.

      Unfortunately selecting "Open in Camera Raw..." just leaves bridge to hang. It's using a lot of memory and processor time, so I would assume it's working, but there's no progress bar or similar to indicate that it is.

       

      Method 2:

      1. Open first file in Camera Raw
      2. Apply all changes, and exit camera raw.
      3. Select all files in Bridge, right click on one and select "Develop Settings -> Previous Conversion"

      Unfortunately the final step again leaves bridge just thinking. I waited around an hour, closed bridge, but unfortunately when I opened it again there was no sign that it had copied the camera raw settings onto any of the other files. My computer's pretty slow (see below) but it should have written one xmp file in an hour.

       

      Question:

      Does anyone have any workarounds other than repeating the process 32 times for 1000 images at a time?

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        • 1. Re: Bridge freezes when applying camera raw settings to large number of files
          Curt Y Community Member

          While I have not had to use this option it appears you do not need to open images in ACR which would save a huge amount of resources.

           

          Will this method work for you?

           

          Copy and paste Camera Raw settings

           

          In Adobe Bridge, you can copy and paste the Camera Raw settings from one image file to another.

          1. In Adobe Bridge, select a file and choose Edit > Develop Settings > Copy Camera Raw Settings.
          2. Select one or more files and choose Edit > Develop Settings > Paste Camera Raw Settings.
            You can also right-click (Windows) or Control-click (Mac OS) image files to copy and paste using the context menu.
          3. In the Paste Camera Raw Settings dialog box, choose which settings to apply.
          • 2. Re: Bridge freezes when applying camera raw settings to large number of files
            Martin Klefas Community Member

            This appears to apply the same principles as the "Previous Conversion" path, and also crashes.

            • 3. Re: Bridge freezes when applying camera raw settings to large number of files
              Curt Y Community Member

              Are you trying to do all 32,000 pictures at once?  May be just too much for resources of computer.

               

              If you do 100 do you still get the same error and crash?

               

              If so call up the Event Log in your OS.

               

              It is mostly gibberish, but try to find an entry for defaulting module.  This is where the error lies.

              • 4. Re: Bridge freezes when applying camera raw settings to large number of files
                Martin Klefas Community Member

                Yes, I wanted to do all at once. When I try smaller numbers:

                • The "Paste Camera Raw Settings" Dialogue appears - that's asking basically What do you want to copy.
                • I select the things I want to copy, and then a progress bar appears.

                Around 500 will work, while around 1000 does not. Why on earth would the dialogue not appear with larger numbers, surely the dialogue is the same regardless of the number of images I'm altering??

                • 5. Re: Bridge freezes when applying camera raw settings to large number of files
                  Omke Oudeman Community Member

                  Why on earth would the dialogue not appear with larger numbers, surely the dialogue is the same regardless of the number of images I'm altering??

                   

                  Did you try to alter one file and save as a ACR setting, then in Bridge select all files and right mouse click choose the saved setting to apply.

                   

                  However without knowing your file size (and your free space on HD) I have to say all files need to recache and this is a big task with this kind of numbers and an even bigger tasks when they are Raw files from 8 MP above. You better leave it overnight for trying

                   

                  Be sure to have bridge Cache size set to more then the default and it would not hurt either to increase the cache size for the ACR database.

                   

                  And if you use it over a network or a separate disk it is even a bigger task.

                  • 6. Re: Bridge freezes when applying camera raw settings to large number of files
                    Martin Klefas Community Member

                    Applying saved ACR Settings appears to do the same as pasting them or applying the previous conversion. When I apply the change to smaller numbers of files, they each recache in turn, and the amount of memory and disk space used by bridge doesn't change (my free disk space is constant and the memory stays fixed at 1.4Gb). Photoshop has 3 scratch disks available, with 360Gb free in total. The disk with the images on is on the local machine, and has 200Gb free on there - the total file size for all 32,000 JPG images is a little under 30Gb.

                     

                    Cache size is set to 500,000 images, and because this is a new installation of the CS6 Beta I would imagine there are 50-60,000 images in the cache in total.

                     

                    The Camera Raw Cache was set to 1Gb, so I purged it, moved it to a bigger disk and gave it 40Gb of space. This made little to no difference at all.

                     

                    The files are only 2MP each, and I have the same issue when I apply the changes to RAW files and JPG files. The error occurs though before any changes are applied, before the images would need to be recached, as when the error doesn't occur the dialogue box I mentioned pops up asking what to change.

                     

                    At the end of the day isn't this just a process of writing 32,000 nearly identical .xmp files and then re-caching the images one by one? If bridge can manage creating all the thumbnails and previews the first time around, what's changed? Why won't the dialogue box even appear?

                    • 7. Re: Bridge freezes when applying camera raw settings to large number of files
                      Omke Oudeman Community Member

                      The files are only 2MP each, and I have the same issue when I apply the changes to RAW files and JPG files. The error occurs though before any changes are applied, before the images would need to be recached, as when the error doesn't occur the dialogue box I mentioned pops up asking what to change.

                       

                       

                      Your specs sound more then enough I would think. Do you have set the option to Write cache to folders when possible and if so could you uncheck that option?

                       

                      I don't have experience with this kind of numbers but I do dump the Bridge cache manually on a regular base (every new cycle it seems to be more stable so more interval in the periods of dumping cache) but my main folder contains usually around 6 to 7 K of DNG files from 21 MP dSLR. This starts caching without problems but takes a few hours before done.

                       

                      Can't use the option cache for folder due to a longstanding problem with error message to replace the CacheT file, hence my question about your setting.

                       

                      Also I have set the option to previews Always HQ and in the prefs have set the option to build monitor size previews.

                       

                      As said, don't know the large numbers but the 2 MP files are very small and it should be possible for Bridge I would think?

                       

                      Did you also try to create a new folder and place the files inthere. Or divide them in to three folders for testing?

                      • 8. Re: Bridge freezes when applying camera raw settings to large number of files
                        Curt Y Community Member

                        Would it help to use embedded thrumnails are they are the smallest and fastest to handle?

                        • 9. Re: Bridge freezes when applying camera raw settings to large number of files
                          Martin Klefas Community Member

                          So I cleared the cache, and then tried again. This time I was uploading my backup and forgot it was running, and ended up leaving it for 3 days.

                           

                          anyway, 3 days in and the "what do you want to apply" dialogue box is there. It then took about 20 minutes to apply the changes to the files - which seems kind of backwards!

                          • 10. Re: Bridge freezes when applying camera raw settings to large number of files
                            Curt Y Community Member

                            What it looks like is it takes a lot longer to load the picutres than to apply the settings.  Which sounds right to me as he metadata data is a lot smaller than the image size.