35 Replies Latest reply: May 15, 2012 12:05 PM by gradientmush RSS

    which tool can make this one?

    CANBUYMELOVE?

      poster,typography,inspiration.jpg

       

      My version is CS5.1.

       

      Which tool can make this result?

       

      I tried to use tools in warp menu, but there are no results which is similar with that picture.

       

      Anyone knows that?

        • 1. Re: which tool can make this one?
          CarlosCanto MVP

          How random is it that two users ask for the same exact thing? Either that, or you have multiple personalities.

           


          MK kim79 wrote:

           

          poster,typography,inspiration,pattern-75b491568b93dc47108f682a07230d52_h.jpg

          how can i make this pattern (which tool?)

          i need this 'vector' image

          • 2. Re: which tool can make this one?
            CANBUYMELOVE? Community Member

            He is my co-worker.

             

            No one applied to him, so I ask it again.

             

            Because I really want to know it.

             

            In photo shop, using twirl tool can make this pattern. But in illustrator, twirl is not working correctly.

            • 3. Re: which tool can make this one?
              Silkrooster MVP

              twirl-filter.png

               

              Dots were created by a single path, that had a brush stroke applied to it (via the paths panel), with a wide spacing.

              Drag copy the path multiple times, to create the rows. On windows hold down the alt key will copy when draging.

              Merge the layers together and create a smart object

              Finally apply the twirl filter to the merged lines and you get the above effect.

              Creating more lines and smaller dots will get you closer to the image that you guys posted.

              Using the smart object allows you to edit the twirl filter with out pulling your hair.

              Hope this gets you guys closer to what you want.

              • 4. Re: which tool can make this one?
                Silkrooster MVP

                Dang, I did it again, I thought I was in the photoshop forum.

                • 5. Re: which tool can make this one?
                  Silkrooster MVP

                  the twist tool in illustrator appears to need the selected object be a compound path.

                  • 6. Re: which tool can make this one?
                    Silkrooster MVP

                    and here was my result.

                     

                    twist-tool.png

                    • 7. Re: which tool can make this one?
                      CarlosCanto MVP

                      that pattern was either done with other more capable software, or if it was illustrator, it was done very carefully, original art takes time and genius...

                       

                      one way could be using blends, the sample below has two dash lines, round cap, 2 step blend.

                       

                      dotPattern.PNG

                      • 8. Re: which tool can make this one?
                        Silkrooster MVP

                        It only appears that way. If you look close at the two image you guys posted, they were created from a straight line of dots. The twisting bent the lines so that it looks like a design.

                        The one thing, I see, that I did not do was blend the text with the dots. Not to mention the one I did in illustrator was done with circles not dots(no fill and black stroke vs. no stroke and black fill). It was a quick mock up to show that the tool did work.

                        • 9. Re: which tool can make this one?
                          [scott] Community Member

                          I'd guess displacemnet maps in Photoshop or some other software.

                          • 10. Re: which tool can make this one?
                            Mathias17 Community Member

                            I'm afraid none of the suggested methods come close at all.

                             

                            Notice the individual circles aren't deformed; they're all perfectly round. It's their locations that have been affected by deformation, as if dotted strokes, like in post 7 - and we can be pretty certain some sort of deformation was applied, the lines are too perfectly spaced/warped.

                             

                            It's a well-done effect, and I'm convinced it can be reproduced by following a series of simple steps - no manual, artistic treatments necessary.

                             

                            My first thought was it must be Photoshop, but since the circles are all still round it must be vector. But even if you could deform a series of paths into that spiraled mess so accurately, then simply using a dotted stroke won't suffice because they'd all be equally spaced and you won't get that moire effect where it looks like there's depth, troughs/valleys in the shapes implied by the spiraling dots.

                            Perhaps if you created a "skeleton" of the spiral in PS and placed it below your path array and then used the Warp Tool (by hand of course), following the lines in your guide "spiral skeleton" below as you stroked across your path array. AND/OR, what if before stroking with the Warp Tool, you snapped a single vector point to every circle made by your array of dotted stroked lines and deformed those - just a grid of lone vector points, no lines - with the Warp Tool instead? With the vector points warped around with the Warp Tool in the right way, what could you do with those points now? I honestly don't know. All I ever do withj singular vector points is purge them with Path Cleanup when they're leftover from a bunch of Pathfinder operations.

                             

                            Anyway, once you got the dots in the right places if you then applied a radial gradient to each dot you might get the lettering effect in there by taking the word "mar", feathering the edges and setting it on top of the dots, set to a blend mode like Multiple or Hard Light so it darkens any dark pixels below making the dark inner part of each dot's radial gradient seem like a thicker black dot than ones not receiving the darkening blending.

                             

                             

                            . . . can't figure out how to get the dots arranged like the OP reference. Maybe this is a just some raster filter done in PS, who knows.

                            • 11. Re: which tool can make this one?
                              Wade_Zimmerman Community Member

                              This is the way I think it was done but with a small brush for the twirl tool and a lot more finesse.

                               

                              http://www.wadezimmerman.com/videos/TwirlingDots.mov

                              • 12. Re: which tool can make this one?
                                CarlosCanto MVP

                                nice try Wade...but doing it that way, one would need amazing surgical precision to pull off a pattern so perfectly aligned.

                                • 13. Re: which tool can make this one?
                                  emil emil Community Member

                                  May be it was done with an approach similar to this. I made a blend between two curves shown on the left image, then deformed the blend starting with envelope distort continuing manually, and also applied the transform effect to make it go around. I used the dash line trick to make the dots and I also applied the bulged non uniformed stroke profile which caused the dots to look deformed too but I guess the paths can be used for replacing the spine of a blend with small circles.

                                   

                                  Capture.JPG

                                  • 14. Re: which tool can make this one?
                                    Wade_Zimmerman Community Member

                                    I think that is how the art was created and possible brought into Photo shop using their twirl efect or possiblywith a mesh.

                                     

                                    Regards of how percision it is or not t5hat is how the underlying art was created.

                                     

                                    I would have to think about the effect itself a little longer.

                                    • 15. Re: which tool can make this one?
                                      emil emil Community Member

                                      Here's another try basically using the same technique as I suggested in my previous post but with an example that may be closer to the goal.

                                      1. Started with a blend, put it in a mesh envelope, made a copy of it, positioned as shown, grouped both and applied the transform effect.

                                      2. deformed the envelopes of both blends.

                                      3. Used the twirl tool to deform an made the lines with dashes to look like points

                                      4 Expanded the appearance and used the width tool on a few lines to change the thickness.

                                       

                                      Capture.JPGU

                                      • 16. Re: which tool can make this one?
                                        Mathias17 Community Member

                                        Best so far.

                                         

                                        Thanks, you just made me realize the Width Tool changes the sizes of dashes on a dash stroked line, awesome.

                                        • 17. Re: which tool can make this one?
                                          CarlosCanto MVP

                                          now we just need the co-workers to show up...I thought they "really" needed to know how that was made.

                                           

                                          1000 posts !!!! yahoo!!!!

                                           

                                          Message was edited by: CarlosCanto

                                          • 18. Re: which tool can make this one?
                                            Jacob Bugge MVP

                                            Congratulations, Carlo.

                                             

                                            One Thousand and One is even better.

                                            • 19. Re: which tool can make this one?
                                              Wade_Zimmerman Community Member

                                              Emil

                                               

                                              What Bout the letter forms?

                                              • 20. Re: which tool can make this one?
                                                emil emil Community Member

                                                With my approach the letters have to be done manually by widening the strokes to form letters with larger dots and my example will need denser lines in the text area to provide enough dots. My example was just throwing an idea, the reference image has much more cleaner pattern that is very well aligned. If it was done in a similar way that I'm suggesting, it would have a very different shape in step 2 on the image I attached. I only gave a rough example. It is obvious that a twirl deformation was applied or recreated using an initial graphic. The question is what was that initial graphic in its unwrapped shape  before being distorted by the twirl. It is hard to figure that out by looking at the distorted result.

                                                • 21. Re: which tool can make this one?
                                                  tromboniator Community Member

                                                  Artwork.png

                                                  In case you can't read it, it says pop.

                                                   

                                                  Start with a square array of dots, any shape, each an independent path. Determine spacing, both vertically and horizontally, by experimentation; should be uniform in each direction, but not necessarily the same in both. Select all, choose the Twirl tool, make the brush large enough to cover most or all of the array, with options determined by the control you need. When you're satisfied, apply Effect>Convert to Shape to whatever size or shape you please, expand appearance.

                                                   

                                                  I'm not satisfied with the lettering yet, but I copied enough of the array to cover all the letters, locked the full array, pasted in front. Again applied Convert to shape, but with larger dimension. Created the lettering in front of the larger dots, selected letters and dots, made opacity mask.

                                                   

                                                  Apologies if this is not an elegant presentation; it's almost dawn and I haven't slept yet.

                                                   

                                                  Peter

                                                  • 22. Re: which tool can make this one?
                                                    emil emil Community Member

                                                    I think you gave the correct answer. And by the way this was the first thing I tried but with an array of circles  and although I got the same twirl as the reference, the circles were all stretched giving a very different appearance. It didn't occur to me that I can convert one anchor point paths to a circle shape. I haven't tried your suggestion yet but it is obvious that it will work. May be in addition to your steps it is better to wrap the points array with an envelope mesh grid for smoother twirl.

                                                    • 23. Re: which tool can make this one?
                                                      CarlosCanto MVP

                                                      it seems you nailed it Peter, great job.

                                                       

                                                      Where are the co-workers that "really" need to know how's made???????

                                                      • 24. Re: which tool can make this one?
                                                        tromboniator Community Member

                                                        Thanks, Carlos.

                                                         

                                                        Don't know, not worried about it; I had fun, learned/relearned some stuff.

                                                        • 25. Re: which tool can make this one?
                                                          Mathias17 Community Member

                                                          Excellent.

                                                          But the wording isn't right yet - there needs to be a gradual increase of size at the edges of the lettering, like halftone dots. With tromboniator's progress it's just a little manual finessing away, but there's gotta be a way to do it more mechanically, therefore precisely.

                                                          • 26. Re: which tool can make this one?
                                                            emil emil Community Member

                                                            I think the letters were done manually. The circles on the letters look very precicely  scaled to make a perfect transition but this can be achieved by creating selection guides with  offset paths of the letters. The offset paths can be filled with different colors to serve as guides on a locked layer below and this will make relatively easy to select the right circles for scale transitions. And if you make different groups of circles for each size scale, the scale transform effect can be used on each group that will allow very fine tuning of the transition easier and in a more interactive way.

                                                            • 27. Re: which tool can make this one?
                                                              Mathias17 Community Member

                                                              Great thinking.

                                                               

                                                              Furthermore, any circles that fall within your suggested "guide outlines" (the series of successively smaller and smaller letterform outlines) need only be the same size as the rest of the circles, and each of circles falling within your "guide outlines" would just receive a different outer stroke size, to make them greater and greater in size the closer they are to the innermost part of the letterforms. Now if only there was a way to convert a shape to a selection - you could use each "guide outline" for a new selection automatically, being careful where circles overlap mutliple "giude outlines".

                                                               

                                                              Nice!

                                                              • 28. Re: which tool can make this one?
                                                                tromboniator Community Member

                                                                As I said, I'm not satisfied with the lettering, but I have a small, gray idea scratching at the back door of my mind. Hope to try it out in the next day or two.

                                                                • 29. Re: which tool can make this one?
                                                                  printisnotdead Community Member

                                                                  This is a great and interesting effect. Looks like tromboniator has figured it out. As for the letters, I'm thinking maybe there was a feather to the edges or even a glow to soften the edges and softly blend in with the background and adjust the text layers blending options to Hard Light or Multiply, whichever works.

                                                                  • 30. Re: which tool can make this one?
                                                                    gradientmush Community Member

                                                                    the background is easy, i cant figure out exactly how to fit the text into it. this is a halftone effect but the problem is the text has a irregular tone, it goes from a bit thick to a bit light back and forth making it harder.

                                                                    • 31. Re: which tool can make this one?
                                                                      Mathias17 Community Member

                                                                      It's not a halftone effect. Yes, it consists of dots, so it's reminiscent of halftone dots, but halftones don't take on that "warpfield" arrangement. True (real) halftone dots form a square grid and the only difference is the grid's angle and size of dots.

                                                                       

                                                                      If it's "easy", could you duplicate the results for us to see? I for one would like an easy way to do this. Minus the text of course.

                                                                       

                                                                      Not trying to challenge you, just would like to expand my own understanding.

                                                                      • 32. Re: which tool can make this one?
                                                                        gradientmush Community Member

                                                                        sure it is a halftone effect. yes it's "easy" to duplicate the background. the text part is where the halftone values are which are hard to duplicate.  the only way i see it is t incorporate the letters onto the background and then create an overall halftone effect but that stil didn't go well when i experimented. Judging by the letters used which is MOR? or something if this was a random text, there could be a bckground.pngway to duplicate the entire thing as is but if the designer intentionally wanted  the letters MOR incorporated into the halftone, that would be difficult and i have no idea yet, still playing..

                                                                        Here's the background version.

                                                                        • 33. Re: which tool can make this one?
                                                                          Mathias17 Community Member

                                                                          I rest my case.

                                                                          • 34. Re: which tool can make this one?
                                                                            gradientmush Community Member

                                                                            you rest your case? not sure you had a case to being with. Would you have the background done another way? Im not seeing the difference here, the background doesn;t match up or something? it's not word for word exact but that's all there is to the background.

                                                                            • 35. Re: which tool can make this one?
                                                                              gradientmush Community Member

                                                                              Is this it? Atleast close to it? if I further manually tweak some of the values in the centre it should be close to the original I think.

                                                                               

                                                                              effect.png