12 Replies Latest reply: Mar 29, 2015 3:13 PM by ChrisReidBR RSS

    Lightroom and Cinestyle

    scotty32

      I have recently updated my camera to use Cinestyle by technicolor and have had awesome results in the camera. However when i up load the ( low contrast) photos into light room it changes them automatically to a hight contrasted picture. I hate this feature is there any way around it. I want my pictures to be imported as the were shot and i want to edit the contrast back into it.

        • 1. Re: Lightroom and Cinestyle
          Dave Merchant ACP/MVPs

          Cinestyle isn't supposed to be used on stills, it's a LUT curve for video files. There's no reason to use it if you're shooting RAW, as not only isn't the curve applied to the RAW file, but you have the bit depth in the image which makes applying it pointless in the first place.

           

          Shooting RAW stills, your camera LCD will show the image with your chosen picture style applied but Lightroom will show you the image in it's "true" RAW state. Same thing if you apply a B+W picture style and shoot RAW - LR will show you the colored image, as the color image is still there despite what your LCD shows.

           

          If you shoot JPEG, the picture style is burned into the data - so a Cinestyle image will look "cinestyle" and a B+W image can't be re-colored. DSLRs effectively shoot video by converting frames into JPEGs, which is why applying picture styles to video is important to give us the headroom in post.

          • 2. Re: Lightroom and Cinestyle
            scotty32 Community Member

            Thank you so much for such a quick reply

            • 3. Re: Lightroom and Cinestyle
              PhotoJoe2001

              This reply stinks.  Why?? Because if a photographer goes through the trouble to shoot B&W. Then leave it alone.

              I know the color data is there...and I can reveal it if ii want. 

               

              But more importantly..when I shoot my stills in cine style ...then please Lightroom...why are you screwing with them?

              My nice flat curve I shot in on purpose is now being forced to look like I shot in it jpg? 

               

              Excuse me...but I though this program was for photographers.

               

              Don't mess with my art....leave that up to ME. 

               

              I want a simple way to STOP LIGHTROOM FROM CHANGING THE WAY I SHOOT.

               

              Someone please tell me how to keep Lightroom from changing the pice after they are imported into the timeline.

              I don't want it. Don't need it.

              • 4. Re: Lightroom and Cinestyle
                JimHess MVP

                PhotoJoe2001 wrote:

                 

                This reply stinks.  Why?? Because if a photographer goes through the trouble to shoot B&W. Then leave it alone.

                I know the color data is there...and I can reveal it if ii want. 

                 

                But more importantly..when I shoot my stills in cine style ...then please Lightroom...why are you screwing with them?

                My nice flat curve I shot in on purpose is now being forced to look like I shot in it jpg? 

                 

                Excuse me...but I though this program was for photographers.

                 

                Don't mess with my art....leave that up to ME. 

                 

                I want a simple way to STOP LIGHTROOM FROM CHANGING THE WAY I SHOOT.

                 

                Someone please tell me how to keep Lightroom from changing the pice after they are imported into the timeline.

                I don't want it. Don't need it.

                If you are that adamant then I think you should look for a different program.  Lightroom has NEVER read those in-camera adjustments that you mentioned.  It's not the way Lightroom works.

                • 5. Re: Lightroom and Cinestyle
                  john beardsworth MVP

                  Does an artist judge his work on the basis of a 2 or 3 inch LCD panel?

                   

                  Still, I think there is a case for LR recognising that a raw file's embedded JPEG is monochrome and applying a B&W treatment upon import. Even better, it should evaluate the raw colour image versus the mono JPEG and replicate any coloured lens filter style.

                   

                  John

                  • 6. Re: Lightroom and Cinestyle
                    PhotoJoe2001 Community Member

                    no..i like lightroom...except for when it ruins my photo's.

                     

                    tell me how to make it stop screwing with my pictures.  this shouldnt be hard

                    • 7. Re: Lightroom and Cinestyle
                      DdeGannes MVP

                      You are trying to use Lightroom as a tool that it was not designed to be. LR is a program for photographers to process the raw data captured by digital still cameras. Yes it has functionality that allows it to also work with rendered files like tiff and jpeg but its main purpose is processing raw files. Lightroom has its own unique processes and profiles developed for each supported camera and does not use the profiles and other in camera settings and tastes that can be applied by the camera firmware/software. They have their own chef that is provining their own rendition of the raw data, and provide lots of tools to allow you to make your own creative adjustments.

                      Why would you pay a lot of money for Adobe software that rendered the same output that is provided by your camera. Each camera manufacturer provides their own style and rendition as did the various film manufacturers of slide and negative film like Kodak, Agfa etc. No software provides you with true reality, just what they percieve to be a realistic and pleasing capture.

                      • 8. Re: Lightroom and Cinestyle
                        Dave Merchant ACP/MVPs

                        PhotoJoe2001: We do not tolerate abusive messages in these forums and have deleted your last reply. Keep it polite or your account will be suspended.

                        • 9. Re: Lightroom and Cinestyle
                          Tony Leps

                          I know this topic is a bit old, but I found myself in an odd Lightroom/Cinestyle situation and thought it might come in handy for someone else.

                           

                          I hired a contractor to take photos and video with a 5D mk II. I asked for .CR2 photos and video using the Cinestyle profile. Unfortunately, the photos were taken as jpegs. Because the profile was set for Cinestyle the images came out Cinestyle flat. I tried editing in Lightroom and in Photoshop attempting to apply the S-Curve in curves, but nothing gave me a natural look. Therefore, I devised a workflow to apply the Cinestyle LUT to the image and work in Lightroom nondestructively.

                           

                          This is going to seem roundabout, but it was the only way I could get the look I wanted from the images.

                           

                          In order for this to work, you will need to convert the default "S-curve_for_CineStyle.mga" to .cube format using After Effects and Red Giant's free "LUT Buddy". (http://www.redgiant.com/products/all/magic-bullet-lut-buddy/) Once installed, Import the .mga LUT and export the .cube. (I would post the .cube file, but Technicolor is no longer offering the LUT for free).

                           

                          Once you have .cube LUT, here's what gave me the best results:

                           

                          1. Import JPEGS into Lightroom
                          2. From Lightroom "Edit-in Photoshop" [Ctrl-E]
                          3. Edit a Copy with Lightroom Adjustments (This will create a 16-bit, Pro Photo TIFF)
                          4. In Photoshop, apply a "Color Lookup" adjustment layer.
                          5. In the Properties panel, click "Load 3D LUT" then browse to the .cube LUT.
                          6. Save the layered file (you may want to use ZIP compression for the file and layers to reduce size)
                          7. The new image should be imported back into Lightroom
                          8. Now perform Lightroom edits. The image should be more responsive with the nondestructive LUT applied.

                           

                          Hopefully you'll never be in this situation, but if you are I hope this helps!

                          • 10. Re: Lightroom and Cinestyle
                            theFoltz

                            If you were to shoot RAW+JPEG, would the JPEG's have the cinstyle?  Thanks

                             

                            DF

                            • 11. Re: Lightroom and Cinestyle
                              CoreyZev16

                              Hey Dave I was just wondering; do you have any knowledge that pretains to if when shooting RAW stills under the CINESTYLE 'picture style' on the 5dIII, if my Raw images (used in Photoshop) will have less image quality or more grain vs. shooting on one of Canon's proprietary built-in image styles, i.e. Standard or Neutral (for stills).  Thank you!!!

                              • 12. Re: Lightroom and Cinestyle
                                ChrisReidBR Community Member

                                The first reply says it all, in short terms. Thanks Dave.


                                In long terms:
                                Every single image a camera captures comes in a raw state (not RAW file type) through it's sensor, and then the processor inside the camera compresses the image into a file that your computer can read.

                                 

                                When you tell the camera to take JPEG pictures, the camera's processor compresses and converts that chunk of data captured by the sensor into an image. It "prints" the picture profile into your image, either being Canon's Standard, Neutral, your custom edited profile or Cinestyle.

                                Recording a movie goes through the same steps. It captures the image and compresses it to H.264 QT format.

                                You told the camera to do that when you chose the picture profile. JPEG is a compressed file, it's not meant to be messed with afterwards. PhotoJoe2001, this is what you want: JPEG pictures. Don't get angry with other people because you don't understand how your equipment works.

                                 

                                Well, back to our long explanation. When you are taking pictures in RAW format, it's a whole different story. The file that the processor generates has no compression. It makes a lot of sense to call that file "RAW".
                                This file type has a lot more info than the JPEG, and more importantly, more info than your viewfinder can display. That's also why the file is so large.

                                 

                                So, you say to your camera: "Take RAW images".

                                Well, then your camera thinks: "OK, but I've gotta display this image in my viewfinder, so my user can view it. What should I display? Oh, I should use the picture profile previously set by my user".
                                Then you should think: "Attaboy!"


                                That's because you WANT to see that look. Remember, it's just a look, the camera interprets that huge chunk of data (now it's a RAW file) so that the image LOOKS the way you want in it's viewfinder.


                                The thing is, picture profiles are installed on your camera, not on your computer. When you open that same RAW in Lightroom, this guy thinks: "I'll display this image using my default setup", which, by the way, looks like (not exactly) the Neutral picture profile your camera has.

                                Conclusion:
                                If you are a photographer who want to mess with your photo afterwards, take RAW images. If you want the final image to look exactly as you see on your viewfinder, take JPEGs.