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    Dumb newbie color question.

    Richard_M_1999

      I have Photoshop CS4 64-bit running under Windows 7.  I recently bought a Canon Pro9000 MkII printer, and I got a pack of Canon Fine Art Museum Etching paper.  I followed the printing instructions described here to produce my first prints.  The Canon print driver includes an option to "preview" the image prior to committing it to (expensive) paper.  On the "preview" image, the color balance is waaay different to what I see on my Dell 22" (cheap) flat-screen monitor when editing the image in Photoshop.  The color balance on the subsequent printed image is closer to what I see on the preview image than when editing the image in Photoshop.  How do I address this?  I am a TOTAL dumb newbie, and I need somebody to answer this in words of one syllable....

       

      Thanks in advance!...

        • 1. Re: Dumb newbie color question.
          Curt Y Level 7

          Your screen may not be calibrated so what you see is not what you get.

           

          You can buy a screen calibration device.  At the minimium look on the web for color checkers and see what you colors look like with these programs.

          • 2. Re: Dumb newbie color question.
            Richard_M_1999 Level 1

            I thought about that.  But (1) if the screen calibration was the problem, then wouldn't the "print preview" image would look the same as the image in Photoshop?  Also (2) I exported the image to a png file and viewed it on my Mac, and the color balance looked simailar to the Photoshop (on Windows) image, and not at all like the "print preview" image.

             

            Am I making sense?...

            • 3. Re: Dumb newbie color question.
              Curt Y Level 7

              Have you used the preview on printer for other printing?  If so how does it compare to preview or to PS?

               

              Do you have the box checked to allow PS to set color or printer to set color?

               

              Being thrifty, I would do the same paper setup with cheap paper and see what it looks like with a test print.  That way you can see what to believe.

              • 4. Re: Dumb newbie color question.
                emil emil Level 4

                EveryOtherScreenNameIsTak wrote:

                 

                I thought about that.  But (1) if the screen calibration was the problem, then wouldn't the "print preview" image would look the same as the image in Photoshop?

                It depends on how the software displaying the preview and Photoshop are set to color manage the document. I'm not familiar with printer driver preview software as I don't use much desktop color printers but you have to make sure that if it is a color managed software it is set to display images in the same way as Photoshop. Basically this works by applying a color profile to the image or displaying the image with the same color space (profile) that describes the appearance of the colors so each device can interpret them as intended. But even after you synch different programs to match on your screen - if your screen doesn't display the colors correctly, you still may have different colors on the print.

                • 5. Re: Dumb newbie color question.
                  Richard_M_1999 Level 1

                  Thanks Curt, I tried that.  If I save the image as a JPEG and use Photo

                  Viewer to view it, it looks exactly the same as it does in Photoshop.  If I

                  then start to print it using the same Canon print driver, and using exactly

                  the same print settings, then the preview looks exactly the same as the

                  image on Photoshop (and on Photo Viewer).

                   

                  Of course, I generally abort the print job at that point and don't waste

                  paper.  But since (as I understand it) each of Canon's art papers comes

                  with its own color profile, I wanted to continue to do it this way to

                  minimize the number of variables.

                   

                  On Photoshop's Print dialog box, I have "Color Handling:" set to "Photoshop

                  Manages Colors".  Is that what you are referring to?  Below this is a

                  warning "Remember to disable color management in the printer dialog box"

                  ... in the Canon's printer driver settings, there is a box that says

                  "Disable the color profile setting of the application software" and I leave

                  that box unchecked.  Do you think that is correct?

                  • 6. Re: Dumb newbie color question.
                    Richard_M_1999 Level 1

                    I understand the concept of what you're saying, but not the mechanics of

                    how to put it into practice.  In any case, where you say* "if your screen

                    doesn't display the colors correctly, you still may have different colors

                    on the print" *I should emphasize that what I see qualitatively appears to

                    go way beyond the types of difference you are describing.

                    • 7. Re: Dumb newbie color question.
                      gator soup Level 4

                      Photoshop (Ps) is always displaying through a Source> Monitor profile Conversion (it reads an embedded profile and Converts it to the monitor profile)

                       

                      "Photoshop Manages Color" workflow is supposed to work the same way (Source> Print profile) Ps reads an embedded profile and Converts it to the printer profile

                       

                      remember: Ps can display the image correctly regardless of how right or wrong the printer is set up and VICE VERSA...

                       

                      i would first look at, Ps File> Print dialog (post a screenshot of this window) be sure to capture your working settings especially Printer Profile

                       

                      THAT WILL LIKELY NAIL THE PROBLEM (you cannot select a specific printer-paper-ink profile), but per your link, also include these two screenshots:

                       

                      Picture 1.png

                      source: www.imaging-resource.com/PRINT/CP9KII/PRO9K2.HTM

                      • 8. Re: Dumb newbie color question.
                        gator soup Level 4

                        PS;

                         

                        if you are actually able to select your SPECIFIC printer/paper/ink ICC profile for the paper you are using

                         

                        try "soft proofing" the profile in Ps

                         

                        View> Proof Setup> Custom> Device to Simulate: your specific print profile (the one you are using in Ps File> Print> Printer Profile)

                         

                        at that point the soft proof should look very similar to what the printer is printing (or something else is going on)...

                        • 9. Re: Dumb newbie color question.
                          Bo LeBeau Level 4

                          You want either Photoshop or the printer to handle the color management. But NOT both or the colors will look terrible.

                           

                          You said:

                          .. in the Canon's printer driver settings, there is a box that says

                          "Disable the color profile setting of the application software" and I leave

                          that box unchecked

                           

                          Is this the exact wording? Because if you have Photoshop handle the color management you need to turn OFF color management somewhere in the Canon printer driver.

                           

                          For a test, check the box you mentioned in the Canon printer driver while leaving selected "Photoshop manages color" in the Photoshop print dialog.

                          Does it print better?

                           

                          In the link you provided, the Color Correction option in the Canon printer driver should be set to none.

                          While the screenshots and options will vary with differents operating systems and different printer drivers.

                          There should be some way to disable color management or (correction) in the printer driver.

                           

                          Try all the different tabs

                           

                          ishot-3.jpg

                          Printer Driver. Also make sure you have no Color Correction set in your Color Options. You don't want the printer adjusting color after the ICC profile has done it.

                          ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------

                           

                          If you are still having problems, try turning off "Photoshop manages color" in the Photoshop print dialog and just have the Canon Print Driver handle the Color Management.

                          Some people have found this works better for them with their specific model of printer & paper combination.

                           

                          Just remember to only have one or the other handle color management, but never use double color management.

                          Generally its better to have Photoshop manage color but whatever works best for you should be the way to go.

                           

                          Good Luck!

                           

                          I see Gator Soup beat me to it. Message was edited by: Bo LeBeau

                          • 10. Re: Dumb newbie color question.
                            Richard_M_1999 Level 1

                            First, I have no idea how to post a response on the forum other than

                            replying to the notification e-mail.  Second, I have no idea how to make

                            attached images appear nicely in the posting.  I have attached several

                            JPEGs here, so apologies in advance if they don't appear in a helpful

                            manner.

                             

                            I attach several screen shots that I think summarize all the relevant

                            settings, plus two images that show the difference between how the image

                            appears in photoshop and how it appears in the print preview.  The title of

                            each JPEG serves as its description.  Once I've made the post, I'll see how

                            it looks and post a follow-up if necessary.

                             

                            Thanks in advance for your patience!....

                            • 11. Re: Dumb newbie color question.
                              Richard_M_1999 Level 1

                              OK, now I have the option to "Reply" on the forum page.  So I'll try uploading the images here...

                               

                              This is what my image looks like in the Photoshop window....

                              Image seen in Photoshop 1.JPG

                              Here is what then same image looks like in the Print Preview window...

                              Image seen in Print Preview 1.JPG

                              The source colorspace...

                              Source Space 1.JPG

                              The Color Settings dialog box...

                              Color Settings 1.JPG

                              The Covert To Profile dialog box...

                              Convert To Profile 1.JPG

                              The Print dialog box... (note the preview image looks like the 'Photoshop' image)

                              Print 1.JPG

                              Finally, four images from the Printer Driver dialog box....

                              Printer Driver - Quick Setup Tab.JPGPrinter Driver - Main Tab.JPGPrinter Driver - Page Setup Tab.JPGPrinter Driver - Print Options Button.JPG

                               

                              That was it - hope that is does not waste (too much of) your time ...

                              • 12. Re: Dumb newbie color question.
                                emil emil Level 4

                                The question is which stage of the file the Print Preview window is using. Make sure it is not using the Adobe RGB stage of the file. The Print Preview window should be using the image after it was converted from Adobe RGB to the printer profile color space. I can't figure that out from all you posted.

                                • 13. Re: Dumb newbie color question.
                                  gator soup Level 4

                                  emil emil wrote:

                                   

                                  The question is which stage of the file the Print Preview window is using...

                                   

                                  amen, too much info, but some points (i recommend):

                                   

                                  setting your Ps Edit> Color Settings>  Color Management Polices like this

                                   

                                  Picture 1.png

                                   

                                  leave your Source Document as is (you don't need to Convert it to your print profile - that is done in the File> Print utility)

                                   

                                  Ps File> Print

                                   

                                  your Print Profile looks like it may be a SPECIFIC profile for your paper (good) can you click on the popup menu and screenshot or type out its entire name?

                                   

                                  Picture 2.png

                                   

                                  your Quick Setup> Media Type looks correct

                                   

                                  HOWEVER the most important is missing -- I don't see your Color Options where your link sets Color Corrections: NONE

                                   

                                  Where is that screenshot???

                                   

                                  Once you get that set to "none" you should be good to go...

                                  • 14. Re: Dumb newbie color question.
                                    Richard_M_1999 Level 1

                                    So now the option to reply has disappeared from the forum page.  So I'm

                                    replying via e-mail again...

                                     

                                    At this point I don't know how to find the answer to your question.

                                    However, I think you'll agree that the differences in color balance

                                    between photoshop and print preview are quite dramatic, and I would say

                                    that the actual print looks a lot more like the print preview than the

                                    photoshop.  Does that imply that it uses the printer profile color

                                    space?.... I don't know.

                                     

                                    Richard

                                    • 15. Re: Dumb newbie color question.
                                      gator soup Level 4

                                      you probably need to log in for the forum option

                                       

                                      if you are using Ps File> Print, Photoshop Manages Colors

                                      you will need to select your SPECIFIC Printer Profile there

                                      then None in your OS or Canon settings

                                       

                                      at that point it should be working

                                       

                                      how does it look in View> Proof Setup (as previously outlined)

                                      • 16. Re: Dumb newbie color question.
                                        emil emil Level 4

                                        Richard_M_1999 wrote:...

                                         

                                        At this point I don't know how to find the answer to your question.

                                        ...

                                        this information is for which image?

                                        http://forums.adobe.com/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/2-4348046-185918/Source+Space+1.JPG

                                        We need this information for both images you showed us - in Photoshop and the Printer preview.

                                        Did you save the file after converting it to the printer's color space? Is the printer preview using that file?

                                        We need to see how an image looks like in the printer's color space in Photoshop.

                                        If you are working in AdobeRGB color space and soft proof with the printer color space, but don't convert to it at any stage of the workflow to your printer's color space, then your soft proof is invalid. By default Soft proof shows how your colors will look after the conversion. One of the images in your earlier post shows the conversion dialog apparently after converting the file to the color space of the printer. If you have done so you don't need printer soft proof anymore because the file is already in the printer's color space. The question that remains is if the printer preview is actually using the image that is already converted to the printer's color space. How do you make the printer preview displays an image? Do you open a file for it?

                                        Does that imply that it uses the printer profile color

                                        space?....

                                        No, if the image displayed in Photoshop you posted earlier is in the printers color space and this is what I'm asking you to find out. When the image is displayed in Photoshop, what color space does it say here:

                                        http://forums.adobe.com/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/2-4348046-185918/Source+Space+1.JPG