18 Replies Latest reply: Jun 8, 2012 4:21 PM by bluecrystalcreative RSS

    Building a new Graphics/Premiere Pro System COMENTS PLEASE

    bluecrystalcreative

      I'm building a new Premiere Pro System and I haven't kept up
      with hardware & specs so I'm looking for educated input as to
      the pros & Cons of the following parts list.

       

      I'm a profesional graphic artist using CS5.5, CorelDraw and a little blender
      and shooting industral/training videos a day a week and a band video every
      few months so i'm trying to build a capable machine without breaking the bank.

       

      I'm really looking for feedback on part/software incompatibilities and
      mismatches, thank you inadvance ~ pete

       

      CPU: Intel Core i7 2600

      MBd: Gigabyte Z68X-UD3-D3

      RAM: 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3-1333

      SSD: Intel 520 Series 120GB

      GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570

      Case: Fractal ARC Mid USB3

      PSU: Antec High Current620W

      OS : Windows 7 OEM Home

      HD:  Barracuda 2TB 6Gbs 7200RPM

      DVD: SATA Blu-Ray   

      I/O : blackmagic intensity pro

       

      + 2 Computer Monitors

      + 1 HDMI Monitor

        • 1. Re: Building a new Graphics/Premiere Pro System COMENTS PLEASE
          Felix CL Community Member

          The first things I see is to get more than 2 HDD,

          Possibly a stronger PSU and read Harm Millards articles about Hardware.

          Also you will get more and better response if this thread gets moved to

          the Hardware - Forum, where the really smart hardware specialists hang out ;-)

          • 2. Re: Building a new Graphics/Premiere Pro System COMENTS PLEASE
            bluecrystalcreative Community Member

            How do I get this thread moved to the Hardware Forum
            I've looked but I cannot find any links to the moderators

            • 3. Re: Building a new Graphics/Premiere Pro System COMENTS PLEASE
              John T Smith CommunityMVP

              Well, someone moved the thread... and some information on building

               

              and Build http://forums.adobe.com/thread/947698

              more build ideas http://ppbm6.com/Planning.html

              http://www.shawnlam.ca/2012/premiere-pro-cs6-video-editing-computer-build/

               

              This message has a really good graphic about requirements

              CS5 Requirements http://forums.adobe.com/thread/810750

              Build it Yourself http://forums.adobe.com/thread/815798

              About Requirements http://forums.adobe.com/thread/618058

              Disk Configurations http://forums.adobe.com/thread/878419

              • 4. Re: Building a new Graphics/Premiere Pro System COMENTS PLEASE
                bluecrystalcreative Community Member

                The only reason fo 2 hard disks is budget, once I've got a little more down the track it will be raided

                • 5. Re: Building a new Graphics/Premiere Pro System COMENTS PLEASE
                  Felix CL Community Member

                  Sounds reasonable, Harddisks are also pretty expensive at the moment...

                  Still: read Harms guide on Disc-Setup...

                  Johns last link. In fact, read all of Johns links thoroughly.

                  • 6. Re: Building a new Graphics/Premiere Pro System COMENTS PLEASE
                    RjL190365 Community Member

                    I would like to chime in with this:

                     

                    1) I would recommend a 750W or 850W 80-Plus Gold or Platinum rated PSU for that build. Why? Although the PSU you're considering, a 620W 80-Plus Bronze rated PSU, is adequate for that build, the PSU would be running at 80 to 90 percent of its maximum rated output for much of the time during renders and encodes. This would probably not reduce the life of that PSU (since the Antec HCG 620W and lower in that same series are based on Seasonic internals), but it would likely drive up the total operating cost of that system by a few dollars, especially since PSUs are less efficient at 90 percent of maximum capacity than at 70 percent.

                     

                    2) The case that you're considering is adequate, but a larger case is better.

                     

                    3) Is the i7-2600 CPU a "K" CPU or a non-"K"? You see, the non-"K" CPUs are only limited overclockable (only up to 500MHz above their stock frequencies with all four cores in use). This means that you'd be limited to only 3.9GHz out of the non-K i7-2600 while i7-2600Ks can easily reach 4.5 to 4.6GHz with a good aftermarket air cooler.

                     

                    4) Don't get the plain GA-Z68X-UD3 since it is obsolete: It is a Z68 with most of the added features of that chipset permanently disabled by the motherboard manufacturer, making it essentially a P67 with SRT added. Besides, it is no longer available. Two other boards in that same series, the GA-Z68XP-UD3 and the GA-Z68X-UD3H, are still available - and the latest PCB revisions of those two boards are PCI-e 3.0 ready with an Ivy Bridge (i7-3770(K)) CPU installed. The difference between the GA-Z68XP-UD3 and the GA-Z68X-UD3H is the addition of onboard DVI-D and D-Sub ports on the latter (the GA-Z68XP-UD3 has only HDMI for its video out).

                    • 7. Re: Building a new Graphics/Premiere Pro System COMENTS PLEASE
                      Felix CL Community Member

                      "especially since PSUs are less efficient at 90 percent of maximum capacity than at 70 percent"

                      Also he is planning on adding up on hardware in the future.

                      So he should get a PSU awaiting more challenge instead of awaiting replacement...

                      • 8. Re: Building a new Graphics/Premiere Pro System COMENTS PLEASE
                        bluecrystalcreative Community Member
                        1) I would recommend a 750W or 850W 80-Plus Gold or Platinum rated PSU for that build.

                                  Point totally taken consider it done.

                         

                        2) The case that you're considering is adequate, but a larger case is better.

                                  I haven't been physically to the computer stores to really investigate the cases
                                  so this may well change, i'd like something with easily swapable drive bays
                                  for expansion & RAID later on.

                         

                        3) Is the i7-2600 CPU a "K" CPU or a non-"K"?

                                  I've never been a fan of overclocking, on machines that I make my living from!

                                  besides in most cases I'm getting paid by the hour

                         

                        4) Don't get the plain GA-Z68X-UD3 since it is obsolete: GA-Z68XP-UD3 with an Ivy Bridge

                                  Thank you for this advice the is exactly the sort of information I'm looking for RE upgrade path
                                  After your suggestion I've gone and looked and some of the new m/boards have a SSD as pageing ram
                                  do you know if this would help?

                         

                        I thank you both for your input, once you've droped out of the "hardware/build" loop i't hard to know which way to go ~ pete

                        • 9. Re: Building a new Graphics/Premiere Pro System COMENTS PLEASE
                          Zoop studio Community Member

                          Get the 2600K, most motherboards have easy OC ing, in my case, the Asus Z68 V pro it is a ''1 button'' action to overclock to a very stable 4.4 Ghz and so

                          significant gain in editting power.(especialy working with AVCHD files)

                          • 10. Re: Building a new Graphics/Premiere Pro System COMENTS PLEASE
                            bluecrystalcreative Community Member

                            My video is Canon 60D shooting 1080p @ 25fps H.264 mainly industrial/training videos a day a week and a band video every

                            few months. I'm hoping that the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 & Blackmagic intensity pro will take most of the load.

                             

                            My main reason for not being keen on the over clocking is reliability and longevity, I will most likely be running 16-18h p/day,
                            6 days a week in an ambent temps of up to 36C (semi-tropical) so inside the box could get quite warm and as graphics is
                            my only sourse of income I need it to work reliabily ~ pete

                             

                             

                            Peter FitzGerald

                            BlueCrystal Creative

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                            • 11. Re: Building a new Graphics/Premiere Pro System COMENTS PLEASE
                              John T Smith CommunityMVP

                              Be sure you have LOTS of case fans!

                               

                              Large 120mm fans generally run slower than 80mm fans, so are not as loud

                               

                              Even if you are not going to overclock, get an aftermarket CPU cooler to replace the Intel one

                               

                              Different hardware, but there is a link to what I built in http://forums.adobe.com/thread/652694

                               

                              I also do not overclock, but bought a 2 fan CPU cooler "just because" to keep my CPU cool to last longer

                              • 12. Re: Building a new Graphics/Premiere Pro System COMENTS PLEASE
                                Zoop studio Community Member

                                Yeah lots of fans, push/pull fans on the cpu cooler or liquid cooling.

                                And sorry to bother again.. You want OC for sure with your Canon files, they are highly compressed and decoding while editing/scrubbing  etc  is a ''CPU only'' task no matter what Gpu or other set up you have.

                                Don't worry about reliability the last cpu's like sandy bridge or ivy bridge are very economical (wattage use) and so less heat..

                                Maybe its like your car:

                                35 yrs ago the Mercedes diesel of my grandfather had 6 cil, 3000 cc, 50 horsepower and last for 200.000 kilometers, my 7 yrs old Opel Turbo diesel (GM) has 4 cil, 1700 cc, 75 hp and will do (I hope mine will) 300.000 km (the new model of my closed van is an Opel / Fiat turbo diesel with 1300cc and over 95 hp

                                 

                                I'm not computer tech freak but because of the same worries you have I spend a lot of time on the OC-ing matter I found some convincing opinions from the OC freaks and the OC for dummies  guides: in general they say:

                                 

                                OC is now very common for high end use,

                                If reliable after 24 hours testing, its reliable,

                                Less lifespan of the cpu is theoretical, like: non OC more then 10yrs, with maximum reliable OC more then 5 yrs

                                (who does editing for a living on a over 5 yrs old machine?)

                                 

                                The ''K'' version is a few bucks more but you have a choice!

                                Won't start again, good luck with business!

                                • 13. Re: Building a new Graphics/Premiere Pro System COMENTS PLEASE
                                  bluecrystalcreative Community Member

                                  I thank you all for your input, it's all welcome and concidered, some of the RAID/extra harddisk options
                                  are only beig rejected because of budget but are to be in my first round of upgrades.  The advice reguarding
                                  the powersupply will definitely be taken.

                                   

                                  • I like the idea of the larger 120mm fans being not as loud
                                  • A aftermarket CPU cooler is also a good idea being semi-tropical
                                  • And the The ''K'' version of the CPU WILL Get looked at if its only $100 extra

                                   

                                  I will be getting real quotes on monday and hopfuly ordering in the first half of this week

                                  I will keep you informed as to my progress ~ pete 

                                   

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                                  • 14. Re: Building a new Graphics/Premiere Pro System COMENTS PLEASE
                                    Powered by Design Community Member

                                    When you say your getting quotes, what are those quotes for ?

                                     

                                    Are you building the computer yourself or having it built ?

                                     

                                    If your having it built the guys from ADK are here allot and really know systems for Premiere.

                                     

                                     

                                    GLenn

                                    • 15. Re: Building a new Graphics/Premiere Pro System COMENTS PLEASE
                                      bluecrystalcreative Community Member

                                      Had a look, good gear but one small issue I'm in Australia,
                                      So the freight & after sales support might suffer,
                                      Thanks for the thought though ~  Pete

                                       

                                       

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                                      • 16. Re: Building a new Graphics/Premiere Pro System COMENTS PLEASE
                                        bluecrystalcreative Community Member

                                        Firstly, I'd like to thank you all for your input and advice
                                        Secondly, I've placed my order (as follows) and should

                                        recive Late Thurs/Friday

                                         

                                        CPU:   Intel Core i7 2600 3.4GHz Quad Core

                                        MB:     Gigabyte Z68AP-D3 SATA3 USB3.0

                                        RAM:   Kingston 16GB (4x4GB) DDR3-1333

                                        SSD:   Intel 520 Series 120GB

                                        HDD:   Seagate 2TB SATA3 64M 7200RPM

                                        DVD:   SATA Blu-Ray Burner

                                        GPU:   NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 1.28G

                                        Case:  Thermaltake V4 Midi Tower USB3.0

                                        PSU:   Thermaltake ToughPower 875W

                                        OS :    Windows 7 OEM Home Premium 64bit

                                        I/O :    Hi Speed internal CF Card reader

                                        I/O :     blackmagic intensity pro

                                        +

                                        |-    2 x 24" Computer Monitors

                                        |-    2 x 24" HDMI Video Monitor

                                         

                                        As you can see this is a NOT a perfect system,
                                        but it's one that I can afford at this stage and looking
                                        forward I imagine that the first order of expansion will be

                                        (1)  A slow external 3TB backup drive ($250-$300)

                                        (2)  RAID Card Adaptec 2255900-R SATA RAID Controller ($65)

                                        (3)  A second Seagate 2TB SATA3 64M 7200RPM ($130)
                                             * Move all data to the back up drive then

                                               RAID the data as a striped pair.

                                             * I'll Image the SSD boot disk to a small partition as well.

                                             * The only software installed CS master, CorelDraw & Blender  

                                         

                                        I'd like to thank you all for your input and I'll come back
                                        in a week or so and review the outcome ~ Pete

                                         

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                                          Peter FitzGerald

                                            BlueCrystal Creative

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                                        • 17. Re: Building a new Graphics/Premiere Pro System COMENTS PLEASE
                                          RjL190365 Community Member

                                          Not a bad combo, Pete. However, the choice of Windows 7 Home Premium is questionable since it limits the supported amount of RAM to only 16GB total (the amount that's already included in that build). You will need Windows 7 Pro if you ever want to expand the amount of RAM above the already included 16GB (Windows 7 Home Premium can run on a system with more than 16GB of RAM - but only the first 16GB will be addressed.).

                                          • 18. Re: Building a new Graphics/Premiere Pro System COMENTS PLEASE
                                            bluecrystalcreative Community Member

                                            USER REPORT

                                             

                                            OK so it's been a month, I just thought I'd come back and tell you how the system functions,
                                            over all I'm very happy and It's producing some income, the ocasional crash but mostly OK

                                             

                                            - Smaller projects 3-5min web promo video it works perfectly (3-5min, 1080p HD, 3-5 Video, 4-6 audio Channels)

                                             

                                             

                                            - Mid projects 20min Band promo videos 4 songs+interviews, it works with a little render time
                                               (21min, 1080p HD, 18 Video * 4 passes 1x60D 2x550D, 2 audio Channels, + cut-a-ways & interview)

                                             

                                             

                                            - Larger Project 35min Industrial training video.  The project started as a 10min training video, but. . .
                                                the project just kept getting larger and larger, the client lives very close and could drop in anytime,
                                                sometimes a few times a day and would ask could we just put this in, and that etc. (I was on a p/day rate so OK). 

                                                (35min, 1080p HD, 1 Video (canon 60D), 6 audio Channels(h4n + radio lavs), 300+ supers, 3 x anamations & bluescreen, ADR)

                                             

                                              The main issue, in one section I made the mistake of doing the photos & infographics at 2 x the resolution of the project
                                               (3840x2160px) to keep the quality up it would preview OK but when it came to final render prem/pro would crash
                                               so I had to reduce them down to work OK. It took me two days to work that out!

                                             

                                            Points I'm working on
                                               - I'm still working on a way to get and keep a consistent audio level/tone on projects that are shot over months with different mic's. any thoughs?
                                               - The AGC on the 60D really adds noise to the radio mics, so now I'm using a zoom h4n and will try the Magic Lantern firmware hack.
                                               - The video video compression on the 60D ads noise and makes green & bluescreen a little harder than it needs to be.
                                               - I would love a spell checker in the titles generator