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    Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?

    topmonkey Community Member

      I, like many Audition users were disappointed to see many features stripped away when Audition 3 moved on to CS5.5. I was particularly frustrated that the convolution and vocoder effects were removed will these return in CS6? They are particularly useful tools for sound design (which is what I do), especially when creating transitions from one sound to another. I also thought the 'Generate..' effects were a major oversight, though I see a new version of 'generate tones' is to be in CS6, but what about 'Generate Noise'. Is it possible to have a full list of effects in CS6?

        • 1. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
          SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

          The convolved reverb is back, but I've seen no signs of a Vocoder (mainly because it isn't there...). Yes, there's a revised tone generator, but noise isn't included. I'm moderately confident that noise is in the backlog, but I have to warn you that like anything that isn't there upon release, it  would look like a new feature if it was added later, and there appear to be one or two problems (think SarBox) about doing that - or there have been in the past with Adobe, anyway. Thing about noise generaters is that there are plenty of free or pretty cheap ones about, and whilst a few people think that they're indispensible, unfortunately a lot of others don't...

           

          As for a full list of effects - well, I'd be the first to admit that the list of new and added effects doesn't look very long, and it's also rather confusing because you have to add it to what's already in CS5.5. If I get a chance tomorrow, I'll try and do a complete list, rather than the way it is. Is what's in the new and added list complete? I honestly don't know until I've been through it!

          • 2. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
            therealdobro Community Member

            I'm not qualified, and probably no one is interested, but a useful document would compare the features in Auditions 3, 5.5 and 6.  It could be a sticky in this forum.  If this forum had stickies, I mean. :-)

            • 3. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
              SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

              Forum only has FAQ's, and it wouldn't be an easy thing to create a list like that - a lot of the differences are subtle, especially when it comes to suite integration, and some of the subtleties of MV. I think that in general, it's probably wiser to have done what the devs have done, producing a list of what the next version will do, roughly in comparison with the CS5.5 release. That's not so bad to do, because the new one is based very firmly on that, whereas Audition 3 is a somewhat different animal.

               

              I think that what it comes down to is that most people think 'I want x - does the new version do it?' and they want to see it in a list. And also, they'd probably like a list of what isn't in it, just to give them something to complain about...

              • 4. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                therealdobro Community Member

                SteveG(AudioMasters) wrote:

                 

                I think that what it comes down to is that most people think 'I want x - does the new version do it?' and they want to see it in a list.

                Well, that's how I think, so you might be right.

                 

                The reason I was thinking of a chart that compared features in three versions is it would be easy to steer people with questions to it.  Plus, I might actually learn something.

                • 5. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                  _durin_ Adobe Employee

                  There's a great feature matrix web page prepared for the launch.  I'll see if I can get permission to post it, or at least its contents, here.  Might be a few days as I'm out of the country right now. 

                   

                  Also, while Sarbanes-Oxley is the SarBANEs of my existence (see what I did there?) in many ways, Adobe Creative Cloud subscriptions may enable us to release features between standard release cycles.  I know the idea of subscription-based software licenses is scary to many, and until I'm much more knowledgeable about the service and how Audition fits in, I don't want to say something incorrect or that I'll regret.  (The internet remembers F O R E V E R.) When I have all the information, we'll talk.

                   

                  Here's a quick list of the effects present in Au3 that are not yet ported as of CS6:

                   

                  Generate Noise

                  DTMF Signals.  (This can be accomplished manually within Generate Tones, to some degree.)

                  Pitch Bender

                  Stereo Field Rotate

                  Stereo Expander

                  Pan/Expand

                  Graphic Panner

                  Binaural Auto-Panner

                  Convolution

                  Dynamic EQ

                  Quick Filter

                  Scientific Filter

                  Dynamic Delay

                  Echo Chamber

                  Multitap Delay

                  Envelope Follower

                  Frequency Band Splitter

                  Vocoder

                  • 6. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                    SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

                    The other slight snageroo with effects list comparisons is that as of CS6, they aren't really going to be comparisons as such anyway. For instance, even if you say that the Dynamics Processor is present in AA3, 4 and 5, that doesn't tell you that in 5, it has side chain access, does it? You are going to end up with one heck of a lot of footnotes if you're going to do this justice, what with all the changes...

                     

                    Anyway, I said I'd do a list of the effects in CS6, and having just gone through it, I can see why Durin doesn't want to - it's quite a long list! What I hope it does though is put Durin's list of exclusions into some sort of perspective...

                     

                    Amplitude and Compression

                    Amplify

                    Channel Mixer

                    De Esser

                    Dynamics Processing

                    Hard Limiter

                    Multiband Compression

                    Normalize (process)

                    Single Band Compressor

                    Speech Volume Leveler

                    Tube-Modelled Compressor

                    Fader Envelope (process)

                    Gain Envelope (process)

                     

                    Delay and Echo

                    Analog Delay

                    Delay

                    Echo

                     

                    Diagnostics (yeah, I know... but they're in the Effects list!)

                    De Clicker (process)

                    De Clipper (process)

                    Delete Silence (process)

                    Mark Audio (process)

                     

                    Filter and EQ

                    FFT Filter

                    Graphic EQ 10 band

                    Graphic EQ 20 band

                    Graphic EQ 30 band

                    Notch Filter

                    Parametric EQ

                     

                    Modulation

                    Chorus

                    Chorus/Flanger

                    Flanger

                    Phaser

                     

                    Noise Reduction / Restoration

                    Capture Noise Print

                    Noise Reduction (process)

                    ______________________

                    Adaptive Noise Reduction

                    Automatic Click Remover

                    Automatic Phase Correction

                    De Hummer

                    Hiss Reduction (process)

                     

                    Reverb

                    Convolution Reverb

                    Full Reverb

                    Reverb

                    Studio Reverb

                    Surround Reverb

                     

                    Special

                    Distortion

                    Doppler Shifter (process)

                    Guitar Suite

                    Mastering

                    Vocal Enhancer

                     

                    Stereo Imagery

                    Center Channel Extractor

                    Graphic Phase Shifter

                     

                    Time and Pitch

                    Automatic Pitch Correction

                    Manual Pitch Correction (process)

                    Stretch and Pitch (process)

                     

                    Also Generate Tones and Match Volume are in the Effects pulldown menu.

                    • 7. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                      topmonkey Community Member

                      Thanks Steve for taking the time to provide the full list of effects, much appreciated.

                       

                      Obviously existing effects will have been advanced since Audition 3.0 but just comparing the list, I don't think there's enough there to make me want to upgrade. If the convolution effect had been kept then I probably would have.

                       

                      If fact going through the list of 'Still Using Audition 3' in the CS6 Reveal PDF:

                       

                      Improved audio playback engine and cross-platform support. Increased speed, performance,

                      and quality means increased productivity. Use Adobe Audition on Mac OS or Windows.

                      - Expected, already use on Windows with few problems.

                       

                      • Faster, more precise editing. Dozens of new enhancements accelerate your workflow, such as

                      real-time clip stretching, Automatic Speech Alignment, Automatic and Manual Pitch Correction,

                      Skip Selection edit preview, View Markers For All Files in the Markers panel, and more.

                      - New pitch features sound good, though I already use V-Vocal for pitch-correction in Sonar and I would never use Automatic Speech Alignment, unless it worked for vocal harmonies too.


                      • Dozens of user-requested improvements. CD burning, clip grouping, parameter automation,

                      multiple clipboards, tone generation, the metronome, and many more favorite features have

                      been brought back in Adobe Audition CS6.

                      - A few things have been brought back but not the things we really asked for.

                       

                      • Roundtrip editing with Adobe Premiere Pro. Ramp up your productivity with fast, efficient

                      roundtrip editing between Adobe Audition CS6 and Adobe Premiere Pro CS6.

                      - Not bothered. Can't afford Premiere anyway.

                       

                      • File exchange with other NLEs and DAWs. As a cross-platform tool with OMF and XML Interchange

                      compatibility, Adobe Audition can save and import project files to and from NLEs and

                      other DAWs.

                      - Possibly useful but I tend to do multitrack work in my DAW and audio editing in Audition.

                       

                      • Native multichannel support (5.1 surround). Work with multichannel projects, creating entire

                      surround soundtracks or polishing up 5.1 audio.

                      - Audition 3 already has 5.1 support.

                      • 8. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                        SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

                        topmonkey wrote:

                         

                         

                        • Faster, more precise editing. Dozens of new enhancements accelerate your workflow, such as

                        real-time clip stretching, Automatic Speech Alignment, Automatic and Manual Pitch Correction,

                        Skip Selection edit preview, View Markers For All Files in the Markers panel, and more.

                        - New pitch features sound good, though I already use V-Vocal for pitch-correction in Sonar and I would never use Automatic Speech Alignment, unless it worked for vocal harmonies too.


                        Automatic Speech Alignment is a time-based feature designed mainly for use in ADR to compensate for vocal talent who can't lip-sync... it takes an existing speech track and the replacement, and attempts to line up the new words with the old ones. I haven't tried this in anger because I don't do video any more, but it occurred to me that if you want to do vocal overdubs and want to improve the alignment, it might be able to help. Depends entirely on how the detection algorithm works with non-speech.

                         

                        • Native multichannel support (5.1 surround). Work with multichannel projects, creating entire

                        surround soundtracks or polishing up 5.1 audio.

                        - Audition 3 already has 5.1 support.

                        Not like this it doesn't! Multichannel support extends into plugins (where they support it) and lets you do all sorts of things you couldn't do previously. For instance, I don't do surround stuff (IMHO it's significantly over-rated), but I do have a Soundfield microphone, which produces 4 channels of B-format output that I can 'steer' after the event - more useful than you might think. Previously I had to do this in a very convoluted way outside of Audition, but now I can do it using a plugin within Audition itself - and the result sounds a lot better. It's also the revised routing arrangements that make things like side-chaining possible.

                        • 9. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                          topmonkey Community Member

                          It would be interesting to see how Automatic Speech Alignment copes with non-speech - one to try out in the trial version when it arrives.

                           

                          Totally agree regarding surround stuff - it has never caught on in the consumer market so not of much use to the average joe bloggs editing audio.

                           

                          One question does come to mind - if I did upgrade to CS6, would my Audition 3 installation remain? So could I go back and use Audition 3 for the convolution, vocoder and noise based effects (if only they had just included them!) with Audition CS6 installed as an upgrade?

                          • 10. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                            _durin_ Adobe Employee

                            Automatic Speech Alignment is NOT intended for non-speech material, and even then it should not be expected to create miracles.  It does an excellent job, we believe we can continue to improve the algorithm in the future to make it more accurate and allow more flexibility, but this is not intended to be a music-related feature.  You might get some creative or interesting results, and I have, but its value lies in taking two pieces of speech with the same words and a relatively similar timing, and squeeze/stretch the bits to match the ADR take to the original source.

                             

                            Don't think it's not cool and slick - it absolutely is and will save a LOT of time in ADR workflows.  But it is not yet a one-click solution for every alignment problem.  It is also not useful for simply aligning separate copies of the same recording like Premiere or PluralEyes offers.  The algorithm actively manipulates your recording and is most suited to short passages that are already close, but not quite right.

                            • 11. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                              SuiteSpot Community Member

                              You can safely have all versions of CEP & Audition installed on a PC without them impacting each other.

                              In fact I have most versions installed for some of the testing I had to do for ses2sesx and trust me when I say how painful it was having to use versions which used to be my 'favourites'.  Who can live without x-fades now and how slow are these old versions even on a killer pc compared to CS5.5?

                               

                              I'm too am also looking forward to seeing how Automatic Speech Alignment will work with backing vocals - could be a real time saver.

                               

                              I guess I have to count myself as lucky because there is nothing on the 'missing' list that I care strongly enough to complain about.

                               

                              YMMV

                              • 12. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                                topmonkey Community Member

                                Automatic Speech Alignment sounds like it's no use to anyone in the real world and just an Adobe 'wow' moment for the promo videos, especially with the new clip time stretching functions, it would be much better to use these to manually align dialogue and probably almost as quick. But we'll see...

                                • 13. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                                  SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

                                  topmonkey wrote:

                                   

                                  Automatic Speech Alignment sounds like it's no use to anyone in the real world and just an Adobe 'wow' moment for the promo videos, especially with the new clip time stretching functions, it would be much better to use these to manually align dialogue and probably almost as quick. But we'll see...

                                  I think that the problem here isn't that you couldn't do it manually if you wanted, but that most editors can't be bothered. And I see enough out-of-sync material on the TV to make me think that if there was an easy way to fix this, more editors would do it - it's the fact that it's almost overwhelming us that's the problem - they simply don't have the time to correct anything other than the most blatent stuff.

                                  • 14. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                                    topmonkey Community Member

                                    A very valid point. If you have an hour's worth of dialogue to fix, I can see the appeal. But is this waht most people use Audition for? I don't know.

                                    • 15. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                                      SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

                                      topmonkey wrote:

                                       

                                      But is this waht most people use Audition for? I don't know.

                                      Well, it might well be something that the CS6 purchasers would use, certainly. Standalone users? Not so sure...

                                      • 16. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                                        therealdobro Community Member

                                        SteveG(AudioMasters) wrote:

                                         

                                        The other slight snageroo with effects list comparisons is that as of CS6, they aren't really going to be comparisons as such anyway. For instance, even if you say that the Dynamics Processor is present in AA3, 4 and 5, that doesn't tell you that in 5, it has side chain access, does it?

                                        That's right, and I didn't know that 5's Dynamic Processor has side chain access!  (I haven't explored 5 as much as I might have because 3, by comparison, was still more useful to me.)  (That's going to change with 6.)

                                        I've gone through the headings in the pdf help, but not seen it - where is it?  Or is it just a matter of routing the tracks to make it work?

                                        • 17. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                                          SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

                                          therealdobro wrote:

                                           

                                          That's right, and I didn't know that 5's Dynamic Processor has side chain access!  (I haven't explored 5 as much as I might have because 3, by comparison, was still more useful to me.)  (That's going to change with 6.)

                                          I've gone through the headings in the pdf help, but not seen it - where is it?  Or is it just a matter of routing the tracks to make it work?

                                          Be careful - I said AA 5, not Audition CS5.5... it's not in CS5.5.

                                          • 18. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                                            SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

                                            _durin_ wrote:

                                             

                                            Automatic Speech Alignment is NOT intended for non-speech material, and even then it should not be expected to create miracles.  It does an excellent job, we believe we can continue to improve the algorithm in the future to make it more accurate and allow more flexibility, but this is not intended to be a music-related feature.  You might get some creative or interesting results, and I have, but its value lies in taking two pieces of speech with the same words and a relatively similar timing, and squeeze/stretch the bits to match the ADR take to the original source.

                                             

                                            Don't think it's not cool and slick - it absolutely is and will save a LOT of time in ADR workflows.  But it is not yet a one-click solution for every alignment problem.  It is also not useful for simply aligning separate copies of the same recording like Premiere or PluralEyes offers.  The algorithm actively manipulates your recording and is most suited to short passages that are already close, but not quite right.

                                             

                                            Of course, now you all want to know what it sounds like with music, don't you?

                                             

                                            Actually, it's not as bad as I thought it might be.

                                             

                                            Here is a before/after example on an untreated vocal: Alignment_example.mp3

                                            First half is the two vocals with only an aligned start. Second half has nothing moved, but the original second vocal has been replaced with the 'corrected' version in exactly the same place.

                                             

                                            Okay, you couldn't actually use this, but hey...

                                            • 19. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                                              _colin_ Adobe Employee

                                              For those following this thread, the CS6 web site just "turned on" about 30 min ago and you can now see the complete "buying guide" that does a fairly good comparision between 3, CS5.5 and CS6 (the web people only let us go 3 versions back total): http://www.adobe.com/products/audition/buying-guide-version-comparison.html

                                               

                                              Colin

                                              • 20. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                                                topmonkey Community Member

                                                Thanks for the link Colin - not sure it works, in terms of enticing people to upgrade though - if anything it shows how good Audition 3.0 is! Also, I found a mistake (sorry!) - "Noise Reduction processing " should be listed as being available in Audition 3 as well.

                                                 

                                                Steve - thanks for the alignment demo - actually doesn't sound THAT bad with sung vocals and it's something the Adobe guys could definitely work on.

                                                 


                                                • 21. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                                                  noiseboyuk

                                                  I see here - http://www.adobe.com/content/dotcom/uk/products/audition/features._sl_id-contentfilter_sl_ featuredisplaytypes_sl_new.html?promoid=JSLUD - under new effects it says "pitch bender".  "Yay", I thought, that is such a staple for me, and one of the reasons I keep using 1.5 still.  But then I saw on this very thread and here - http://www.adobe.com/products/audition/buying-guide-version-comparison.html - that the feature is still absent.  Which is right?

                                                  • 22. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                                                    _colin_ Adobe Employee

                                                    noiseboyuk wrote:

                                                     

                                                    I see here - http://www.adobe.com/content/dotcom/uk/products/audition/features._sl_ id-contentfilter_sl_featuredisplaytypes_sl_new.html?promoid=JSLUD - under new effects it says "pitch bender".  "Yay", I thought, that is such a staple for me, and one of the reasons I keep using 1.5 still.  But then I saw on this very thread and here - http://www.adobe.com/products/audition/buying-guide-version-comparison .html - that the feature is still absent.  Which is right?

                                                     

                                                    This is an error by the web team and I have notified/yelled at them thoroughly, it seems to only appear on the UK version of the site as the US english pages do not have them listed. How they messed it up is beyond me.

                                                     

                                                    To be confirm, Pitch Bender is NOT in Audition CS6, nor is Generate Noise.We tried to get pitch bender in but simply ran out of time (it's a relatively complex effect to port believe it or not), but it remains VERY high on the list for the future.

                                                     

                                                    Colin

                                                    • 23. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                                                      _durin_ Adobe Employee

                                                      Hi noiseboyuk

                                                       

                                                      I don't know why the UK feature page is so different, but it is incorrect.  Pitch Bender was not implemented in time for the CS6 release.  I have notified those who can correct the website and apologize for the confusion.

                                                      • 24. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                                                        noiseboyuk Community Member

                                                        Thanks Colin and Durin for clarifying even if the news isn't good.  I appreciate you folks always have a list of missing features with people saying "but it's really important", but it's really important!  Would be nice to just use 1 version of Audition.

                                                         

                                                        This might be a bit OT, but in general it looks to me like you're placing Audition as a full scale dubbing tool.  Is this correct?  Such a hard market to break into where compatibility is king, but the feature set does now look very promising.

                                                        • 25. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                                                          topmonkey Community Member

                                                          Audition CS6 will forever be known as the 'nearly there' release. I just don't get the point of rushing a release and leaving out features that are almost ready, especially when said features were already previously part of the program. I'd rather wait for a version of Audition that ticks all the boxes and I'm sure most would agree with me.

                                                          • 26. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                                                            MusicConductor Community Member

                                                            That is, sadly, the nature of the beast when you have software releases coordinated company-wide, and a product team that works hard to eliminate as many bugs as possible so what IS there works well (safe to say that more bug fixes would have to equal fewer features).  I don't suppose you were around and saw all the discussion (rants/arguments/justifications/whining) when Audition CS5.5 came out?  So, as a long-time Cool Edit, Cool Edit Pro, and Audition user, I sympathize with your questioning the nature of things.  But, at the same time, I'm glad that Audition is alive, well, kicking hard, and about to launch some fresh goods.

                                                             

                                                            So let me encourage you to see the glass as 9/10s full, not a little empty, even if it means running back to an older version for the odd missing feature.

                                                            • 27. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                                                              therealdobro Community Member

                                                              Hey, topmonkey, I don't see it that way.  I see CS6 as the 'this is what should have followed Audition 3' release.  Looking at it that way, it hasn't been rushed - it's taken a long time.  But one thing that has impressed the socks right off me is how the dev team got this version out on schedule.  A year ago, Durin predicted it would be out by May, and lo and behold it's coming out in May!  And *that* is why some features weren't included in this release.  So my advice is to lobby NOW for the features you want to see in 7, which will then be forever known as the 'completely there' release. 

                                                              • 28. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                                                                topmonkey Community Member

                                                                MusicConductor - I started using the first version of Cool Edit Pro at Uni and then bought my own copy of CEP 2.0, so yes I have followed the programs progress - how I miss the Brainwave Synchronizer lol. I managed to source an Audition 3 upgrade (fully legit) after downloading a trial of CS5.5 and deciding it wasn't worth paying over £300 for. I can't believe any Audition 3 users upgraded to CS5.5 - I have no idea why Adobe even bothered releasing it. But as you say, CS6 is certainly heading in the right direction now, I just wish they had spent less time on this alignment effect and more time on restoring 3.0 features.

                                                                 

                                                                therealdobro - I have high hopes for CS7. I shall be giving CS6 a spin when the trial arrives, so I will suspend my decision on whether to upgrade until then!

                                                                • 29. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                                                                  ryclark Community Member

                                                                  Remember that if you were a Mac user you would never have used Audition before and therefore CS6 will be a revelation to them.

                                                                  That's why it has taken so long because it had to be rebuilt from the ground up to be cross platform. This has also allowed the developers to make the code multi processor conscious and much more efficient/quicker. They wouldn't have been able to do that with the old Syntrillium/Audition 3 based code.

                                                                  • 30. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                                                                    MusicConductor Community Member

                                                                    topmonkey, I agree that AA3 is superior in many ways to CS5.5 -- I'd be crazy to argue otherwise -- and glad you found a copy before it disappeared.  It will forever stay on my system even after I grow to love CS6 or CS7 or whatever...  But there is some forward progress in CS5.5 in that I could do multitrack album editing in it like never before.  CS6 is going to rock...  unless you need a brainwave synchronizer.

                                                                     

                                                                    Looking forward to the trial/release and how well the multitude of new features & functions hit everyone.

                                                                    • 31. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                                                                      SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

                                                                      topmonkey wrote:

                                                                       

                                                                      I just don't get the point of rushing a release and leaving out features that are almost ready, especially when said features were already previously part of the program. I'd rather wait for a version of Audition that ticks all the boxes and I'm sure most would agree with me.

                                                                      Doesn't work like that. What they worked on for this release is what's in it. Nothing else has already been a part of this particular codebase, simply because it hasn't existed in this form before. If you'd experienced what happened with Audition 2, which was essentially what you are asking for, you'd realise very rapidly why the developers release versions now the way they do. 2 looked and worked like a late beta (still does), and I don't know of anybody who actually likes it at all.

                                                                       

                                                                      As for 'waiting for a version that ticks all the boxes' - well, how long are you going to wait? If I decided to wait for a version that does absolutely all the things I might ever want, then I'd never have got the program at all - or any other software, come to that. Simply because it doesn't exist. But for the vast majority of things I ever realistically want to do, Audition CS6 does them. Okay, CS5.5 didn't, but for those few things I wanted that it didn't do, I still kept Audition 3 on the DAW. I knew exactly what the purpose of CS5.5 was, and didn't object to this - just as the half a dozen mac users who got it didn't, either (I don't think that there are actually any more than that... hehe!). Basically, the concept of 'feature complete' doesn't exist for Audition, just as it doesn't for most other software; just like the concept of 'bug free' doesn't.

                                                                      • 32. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                                                                        _colin_ Adobe Employee

                                                                        topmonkey wrote:

                                                                         

                                                                        MusicConductor - I started using the first version of Cool Edit Pro at Uni and then bought my own copy of CEP 2.0, so yes I have followed the programs progress - how I miss the Brainwave Synchronizer lol. I managed to source an Audition 3 upgrade (fully legit) after downloading a trial of CS5.5 and deciding it wasn't worth paying over £300 for. I can't believe any Audition 3 users upgraded to CS5.5 - I have no idea why Adobe even bothered releasing it. But as you say, CS6 is certainly heading in the right direction now, I just wish they had spent less time on this alignment effect and more time on restoring 3.0 features.

                                                                         

                                                                        therealdobro - I have high hopes for CS7. I shall be giving CS6 a spin when the trial arrives, so I will suspend my decision on whether to upgrade until then!

                                                                         

                                                                         

                                                                        topmonkey - First, thanks for all the feedback. RE upgrading, at the end of the day, all we ask is that you take it for a spin and see for yourself and I appreciate that you're willing to do that.

                                                                         

                                                                        My end goal personally, and why I work here and do what I do, is help people to be productive, creative and get the job done they need to do. If CS6 does that for you (or even is 90% there), then great! but if not, we get it and all we ask for is for constructive feedback (somewhere out there is an Audition feature request/bug request form which goes to a team mailbox).

                                                                         

                                                                        this might sound like crazy talk, but we are even ok if you want to just stay on an old version forever. I realize they're not supported anymore, but if it's your perfect audio tool and no matter what we do will ever change that in the future versions, then we are honestly OK with that. Sure we'd like you to upgrade and I believe you'll be surprised once you dig in to the new version, but we can't make you like CS6 nor can anyone else, that's something you have to decide for yourself :-) and it sounds like by early May'ish (I'm hearing May ~7th estimated dates) ship will start and trials should begin around then.

                                                                         

                                                                        Colin

                                                                        • 33. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                                                                          topmonkey Community Member

                                                                          Thanks Colin,

                                                                          It's great that Adobe now seem to be listening to what users want. I have been very unsatisfied with Adobe's level of customer service in the past and there was a general feeling of the big corporation not caring about the little guy, BUT I do believe that things may be changing and CS6 is actually a massive step in the right direction, showing that Adobe does listen. OK, not everything was taken onboard, but a lot was. To be fair, maybe I expected too much, all I wanted was Audition 3.0 with some enhancements, but I was unaware that the whole program was being rebuilt from the ground up. Even so, I think it was a logical expectation, given the reaction to CS5.5.

                                                                          • 34. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                                                                            Teetow1 Community Member

                                                                            topmonkey wrote:

                                                                             

                                                                            It's great that Adobe now seem to be listening to what users want.

                                                                            Just to chime in here -- it's not about giving you what you want, but giving you what you need. It might sound like nitpicking, but the difference is incredibly significant to a software developer.

                                                                             

                                                                            Our usage patterns are like fingerprints -- no two are exactly alike. As some on this forum have already heard me say ad nauseum, I'd sell my firstborn for a scripting API for Audition. Couldn't give a crap about CD burning. Odds are very high that we can throw a microphone in a random direction and find someone who feels the exact opposite. Does this mean that I'm wrong? No, it means Adobe needs to get as many points of view as possible to get a fair idea of how Audition can best serve the community as a whole. Our job isn't to give them a work sheet -- they need data. Lots of it, given in a structured and constructive way.

                                                                             

                                                                            So, while it's incredibly important that we share our experiences, describe our workflows and enumerate the tools we rely upon, we shouldn't treat this dialogue (which, by the way, is quite rare in the audio field) as a buffet where we pick and choose which features go in next. Design-by-committee is a one-way street to feature hell, and it never ends well.

                                                                             

                                                                            (By the way, I don't mean to single you out personally. I just picked your quote as a suitable anchor for making this point)

                                                                            • 35. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                                                                              topmonkey Community Member

                                                                              Totally get your point Teetow1. This would be perfectly valid if Audition were a brand new program (yes I get that it was rebuilt), but all people were asking for when CS5.5 was coming out was that nothing is taken away that was already part of the program in 3.0.

                                                                              • 36. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                                                                                SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

                                                                                topmonkey wrote:

                                                                                 

                                                                                .... but all people were asking for when CS5.5 was coming out was that nothing is taken away that was already part of the program in 3.0.

                                                                                 

                                                                                The point here is that this was simply not possible within the launch timescale set by Adobe corporate. They haven't even managed that now, for heaven's sake! The whole argument hangs around the best use of finite resources; Adobe have to pay developers, but they also have to sell some software, and there's a delicate balance point you have to try to reach with this to prevent going broke in the process.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Also, what people wanted even more than 'nothing taken away' was that Audition CS5.5 didn't do what Audition 2 did when it was launched, and continues to do...

                                                                                • 37. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                                                                                  Bob Howes MVP

                                                                                  The impression I'm getting is that the Audition developers have tried their best to listen to users' feature requests so it's probably worthwhile to head over to the Feature Request sub forum ( http://forums.adobe.com/community/audition/audition_general/audition_feature_requests ) and post away.

                                                                                  • 38. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                                                                                    therealdobro Community Member

                                                                                    Bob Howes wrote:

                                                                                     

                                                                                    The impression I'm getting is that the Audition developers have tried their best to listen to users' feature requests so it's probably worthwhile to head over to the Feature Request sub forum ( http://forums.adobe.com/community/audition/audition_general/audition_f eature_requests ) and post away.

                                                                                    +1

                                                                                     

                                                                                    The development team's receptivity and skills, plus this forum's experienced and helpful users, is the main reason why Audition's so good.  I'm astounded at how good it is, considering that it's housed in a giant corporation.  Don't tell Adobe.  They probably wouldn't like it.

                                                                                    • 39. Re: Effects Brought Back in Audition CS6?
                                                                                      Todd_Kopriva Adobe Employee

                                                                                      > Don't tell Adobe.  They probably wouldn't like it.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Hey!

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Actually, several folks on other product teams hold up the Audition team and their interaction with customers  as an example of how everyone should work.

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