19 Replies Latest reply: Apr 30, 2012 12:15 AM by emil emil RSS

    Photoshop CS6 CMS doesn't support multiple monitors system?

    Рipkin Community Member

      There are two video cards (GTX560Ti) and two monitors separately connected to them in my system. With hardware calibration (MonacoOPTIX) I have two separate icc profiles for each monitor, being uploaded on Windows startup in their correspondent LUTs through Color managemet applet in Control Panel (Windows 7). That works properly.

      In my workflow routine I need Photoshop on monitor 2 (it's profile is acer2204.icm), but PS neither see nor use that profile, it uses the profile of another monitor (monitor 1, Benq.icm) only. Why? It's wrong. How can I make PS to use proper monitor profile? Is it possible? If not, then it is rather strange under Windows 7 improved color management features.

       

      http://s1.ipicture.ru/uploads/20120429/wYkrfTV8.jpg

        • 1. Re: Photoshop CS6 CMS doesn't support multiple monitors system?
          YahorShumski Community Member

          I have a laptop which I attach to an external NEC minitor everyday and ICC profiles are a real headache. Windows mixing up pofiles and I have to apply them manually everytime. What I noticed is Windows can apply wrong profile from another monitor though in Color Management window everything looks great (right profile for each monitor). Try to apply Benq.icm profile to monitor2, and acer2204.icm to monitor1, maybe it will solve a problem.

          • 2. Re: Photoshop CS6 CMS doesn't support multiple monitors system?
            Рipkin Community Member

            Try to apply Benq.icm profile to monitor2

            Not correct, since both monitors are hardware calibrated, thus each has own exact profile. This profile is loaded to the LUT of the correspondent video card (to which this monitor is connected).

            It is wrong to assign not proper profile.

            In your case, you have one video card (one LUT), therefore you can use only one monitor profile at once.

            • 3. Re: Photoshop CS6 CMS doesn't support multiple monitors system?
              YahorShumski Community Member

              By the way, what is your GPU Mode? In Normal and Advanced modes the parts that are on each monitor will be color-managed per the profile of each monitor.

              • 4. Re: Photoshop CS6 CMS doesn't support multiple monitors system?
                Рipkin Community Member

                will be color-managed per the profile of each monitor

                Agree, but that Windows 7 Color management machine does, that allows to assign and use different profiles for devices. For example, on my side, it loads proper monitor profile to the LUT of assigned correspondent video card from the two.

                But Photoshop does not see on which monitor is being opened itself and, thus, does not use proper (corresponding) profile.

                 

                GPU is in Advanced mode, but I don't understand how it is correlated with the multiple monitors, CMS, LUTs etc...

                • 5. Re: Photoshop CS6 CMS doesn't support multiple monitors system?
                  Noel Carboni Community Member

                  That you have two video cards may be at the root of your problems.  There have long been reports of additional difficulties with Photoshop when multiple video cards are present.

                   

                  I'm here to assure you that Photoshop CS6 absolutely DOES operate properly on my dual monitor Windows 7 system, on which I have a (single) ATI Radeon HD 5670 card.  Color-management operation on each monitor is completely independent and in Normal and Advanced GPU modes it even properly color-manages images that span both monitors simultaneously. 

                   

                  The only odd thing I've seen, and it's been this way forever, is that when dragging a document window around it will use the primary monitor's profile.  But when you drop it the proper profile is used.

                   

                  -Noel

                  • 6. Re: Photoshop CS6 CMS doesn't support multiple monitors system?
                    YahorShumski Community Member

                    Рipkin wrote:

                     

                    GPU is in Advanced mode, but I don't understand how it is correlated with the multiple monitors, CMS, LUTs etc...

                     

                    In Basic mode only one monitor will be color-managed as I guess.

                     

                     

                    Рipkin wrote:

                    In your case, you have one video card (one LUT), therefore you can use only one monitor profile at once.

                     

                    I work with one monitor at once (NEC at work and internal dispaly home) but I have to set profiles almost everytime manually as Windows 7 very often applies NEC profile to intername manitor and vice versa.

                    • 7. Re: Photoshop CS6 CMS doesn't support multiple monitors system?
                      Noel Carboni Community Member

                      YahorShumski wrote:

                       

                       

                      In Basic mode only one monitor will be color-managed as I guess.

                       

                      Not true.  Color management is done in the CPU, not the GPU, when in Basic mode, and the image will only be color-managed per ONE profile AT A TIME (i.e., you can't have proper color with an image that spans both monitors simultaneously as you can with Normal and Advanced modes), but the profile will be from whatever monitor the image is currently on.

                       

                      You can easily test it...  Go find an intentionally "botched up" profile online and associate it with one of your monitors.  Then drag images back and forth to them to see what happens to the color.

                       

                      -Noel

                      • 8. Re: Photoshop CS6 CMS doesn't support multiple monitors system?
                        Рipkin Community Member

                        it will use the primary monitor's profile

                        Yes, yes, that's the heart of the problem — PS uses primary monitor's profile only... Now I see that.

                        Thank you everybody for replies.

                         

                        P.S. This small app (Calibration Tester) shows us that Windows 7 correctly manages assigned monitor's profiles. I have just fired up this app and move it's window from one monitor to another.

                        http://s1.ipicture.ru/uploads/20120429/nFWz3AzB.jpg

                         

                        Why on earth PS can not do the same simple thing —  to "feel" on which monitor is being present to use the appropriate profile?

                        • 9. Re: Photoshop CS6 CMS doesn't support multiple monitors system?
                          Chris Cox Adobe Employee

                          Photoshop does color convert for each display independently -- so most likely something about your setup has exposed a bug or tricked Photoshop into thinking that all displays use the main display profile (that's been a problem with some drivers on Windows).

                           

                          Also, I'm moving this to the CS6 forum.

                          • 10. Re: Photoshop CS6 CMS doesn't support multiple monitors system?
                            Рipkin Community Member

                            Thank you, Chris, but everything seems be OK in my system. I even don't know what to think more about... So, would it be good idea to manually set proper monitor profile as default in Photoshop. Isn't?

                            • 11. Re: Photoshop CS6 CMS doesn't support multiple monitors system?
                              Noel Carboni Community Member

                              Рipkin wrote:

                               

                              everything seems be OK in my system.

                               

                              Isn't your point here exactly that everything ISN'T okay?  Last I looked you're not seeing proper color-management on your second monitor.

                               

                              Others are telling you that Photoshop CS6 multiple monitor support works for them.  Something's clearly wrong with your system or how you're using it..

                               

                              I noticed in the image you provided in your first post above that you're fooling with the Proof Setup.  You're not using Proof Colors in normal operation are you?  That's not how it's supposed to work.  Normally color-management works with Proof Colors disabled (off).  The Proof Colors function is for very specific things, not normal editing.

                               

                              -Noel

                              • 12. Re: Photoshop CS6 CMS doesn't support multiple monitors system?
                                Рipkin Community Member

                                Last I looked you're not seeing proper color-management on your second monitor

                                Yes, because the second monitor is not primary monitor. No Photoshop's color management for this monitor.

                                 

                                I noticed in the image you provided in your first post above that you're fooling with the Proof Setup

                                Yes, I've only showed "Monitor RGB" — to reveal the default monitor profile that PS uses. For me it is wrong profile — it is primary monitor profile, but I have PS opened on secondary monitor (that has other, it's own profile)...

                                As for Proof Colors, I don't usually use it in my routine, since the working CMYK space is my real CMYK space (corrected for my printing house). Sometimes I use Proof Colors when working with images to be printed on my home inkjet printer only.

                                • 13. Re: Photoshop CS6 CMS doesn't support multiple monitors system?
                                  Chris Cox Adobe Employee

                                  >> No Photoshop's color management for this monitor.

                                   

                                  Photoshop color manages each display separately.  It converts to each display's profile.

                                  If Photoshop is only using the primary display profile for color management, then something is wrong.

                                  • 14. Re: Photoshop CS6 CMS doesn't support multiple monitors system?
                                    Рipkin Community Member

                                    Thank you, Chris. Then, I'll seek the source of the issue...  Where? (rhetorical question)

                                    But. Then, why Monitor RGB shows the primary profile? Where am I wrong?

                                    http://s1.ipicture.ru/uploads/20120430/xPKT7cro.jpg

                                    • 15. Re: Photoshop CS6 CMS doesn't support multiple monitors system?
                                      Chris Cox Adobe Employee

                                      Yes, the "monitor RGB" setting does use the primary monitor profile (because the UI would get ugly trying to list all display profiles)

                                      That has nothing to do with color correcting for each display.

                                      • 16. Re: Photoshop CS6 CMS doesn't support multiple monitors system?
                                        Рipkin Community Member

                                        That has nothing to do with color correcting for each display.

                                        Thus, there is no problem at all? Hmmm.... Thanx a lot, Chris!

                                        • 17. Re: Photoshop CS6 CMS doesn't support multiple monitors system?
                                          Noel Carboni Community Member

                                          Рipkin wrote:

                                           


                                          Thus, there is no problem at all? Hmmm....

                                           

                                          We all came into this conversation with the impression that you are actually SEEING color problems.

                                           

                                          Are you saying the colors look consistent when you show the image on one monitor or the other, but this has all been about what you've been seeing with the Monitor setting in the Proof Colors dialog?

                                           

                                          I mentioned a method in post number 7 how you could test it with an obviously miscalibrated profile.

                                           

                                          -Noel

                                          • 18. Re: Photoshop CS6 CMS doesn't support multiple monitors system?
                                            Рipkin Community Member

                                            you are actually SEEING color problems

                                            I don't see any color problems indeed. I only wanted to be convinced of Photoshop true using proper monitor profile in the multiple monitors environment )

                                            Thanx for your assistance.

                                            • 19. Re: Photoshop CS6 CMS doesn't support multiple monitors system?
                                              emil emil Community Member

                                              You seem to be confused about what Monitor RGB means. In your image you put a pointing arrow from Monitor RGB to the Custom color profile option as if you believe that those two options are connected. There is no connection between these two options. Choosing monitor RGB simply displays the images  in your monitor' color space without any color correction, in other words in effect this turns off the color management of  your monitor.

                                               

                                              If you go to Custom and choose the monitor profile of one of your monitors, this will give different result.

                                              If the "Preserve RGB numbers" is checked, this will result in the same effect as choosing Monitor RGB but will affect only one of your monitors - the one which is using the same color profile in the system - the other monitor, let's call it the second monitor, will try to simulate how the first monitor will display the color values if not converted.

                                              If the "Preserve RGB numbers"  is not checked, which is how you should use it most of the time, this will simulate on both monitors how the colors will look like if you convert from the currently used color space to the color space of one of your monitors.