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1. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
Larry G. Schneider Apr 27, 2012 9:09 AM (in response to Mathias17)Using an Effect is just a way to nondestructively do the same thing as Object>Path>Outline Object or Outline Stroke. Set up two of the same objects and compare the results.
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3. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
Kurt Gold Apr 27, 2012 9:32 AM (in response to Mathias17)Among other things they are useful (and often required) in conjunction with Pathfinder effects.
Are you interested in some sample files for detection?
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4. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
Mathias17 Apr 27, 2012 9:43 AM (in response to Kurt Gold)Heh, sure Kurt. Thank you for your time. And, just to be clear - what I'm interested most in is dispelling my ignorance. Anything that achieves that is a wonderful thing.
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5. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
Jesseham Apr 27, 2012 10:09 AM (in response to Mathias17)1 person found this helpfulA simple example - In the case of Outline Stroke, basically it would have susequent effects operate on the resulting outlined object (the one on the right) as opposed to the stroke (left example)
It is an odd one to puzzle out, as by itself, it appears to do nothing. And yeah, the appearance panel kicks ***. I remember the epiphany when I discovered it and was like "wow - I've been doing it ALL wrong..." [edit:] Amusingly (well, now anyway) the other "oh my god" moment was finding offset path and realizing that I didn't have to do it by hand.
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6. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
Mathias17 Apr 27, 2012 10:26 AM (in response to Jesseham)Ah! Excellent.
(know exactly what you mean about the Aha! moments.)
Could you also give an example of Outline Object working?
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7. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
emil emil Apr 27, 2012 11:39 AM (in response to Mathias17)Download this and check the Outline effects example file
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8. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
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9. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
Kurt Gold Apr 27, 2012 12:27 PM (in response to Mathias17)This question has been Answered.
Time to abscond then.
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10. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
emil emil Apr 27, 2012 12:29 PM (in response to Mathias17)Thanks Mathias, this is one very cool illustration!
To be clear, these files are not mine and I don't know who made them, they are floating on the web and I happened to have the ftp link in my bookmarks.
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11. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
Larry G. Schneider Apr 27, 2012 1:29 PM (in response to emil emil)The artist/engineer is Teri Pettit who's name you will find in the Credits list for Illustrator. She's been with Adobe since the early days of Illustrator and has contributed greatly to the product.
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12. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
Jesseham Apr 27, 2012 1:35 PM (in response to Larry G. Schneider)She also used to be one of the few Adobe employees who would slum it down here in with us lowly users. It's been a few years since she's been here. She taught me the awesome secret bat cave trick to determine the area of an irregular shape.
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13. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
emil emil Apr 27, 2012 1:36 PM (in response to Larry G. Schneider)There you go, credits go to Teri then. Pasted the name in my bookmark.
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14. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
Mathias17 Apr 27, 2012 1:43 PM (in response to Larry G. Schneider)My kinda lady!
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15. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
[scott] Apr 27, 2012 1:50 PM (in response to emil emil)1 person found this helpfulI love the Appearance panel.
A bit of fun just to explore options with it... one circle, then appearance panel.
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16. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
Mathias17 Apr 27, 2012 2:42 PM (in response to [scott])CRIKEY
That's amazing. I had no idea things this complex were possible with the Appearance Panel. If you link that file I'd love to check it out.
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17. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
Jesseham Apr 27, 2012 7:39 PM (in response to [scott])Okay, that is awesome. At first, I thought you just meant for the flower part, but then I realized the stem, leaves and water drops were in there too!
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18. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
[scott] Apr 27, 2012 7:57 PM (in response to Jesseham)Yup. It's all only 1 single circle (you can see the selection highlight for the circle), then the entire image is built using only the Appearance panel.
Wireframe looks like this.... O
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19. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
Wade_Zimmerman Apr 28, 2012 6:41 PM (in response to emil emil)I think Teri is responsible for developing the Appearance Panel.
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20. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
Freelance_illustrator Apr 28, 2012 6:45 PM (in response to [scott])Nice Scott!
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21. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
[scott] Apr 28, 2012 7:15 PM (in response to Freelance_illustrator)Thanks
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22. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
Kurt Gold Apr 29, 2012 10:56 AM (in response to [scott])From an experimental point of view that flower is a remarkable study. No doubt.
From a pragmatical point of view it's also a remarkable study that shows how absurdly over-complicated one can construct things inside the Appearance palette which can be done easier and way more straightforward by applying "normal" transformations to simple objects.
The Appearance palette is useful, but it can also be an alluring playground that may mislead your mind.
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23. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
[scott] Apr 29, 2012 11:11 AM (in response to Kurt Gold)Agreed Kurt.
The point of the exercise for me was to determine at what point is it folly to continue to alter an object via the appearance panel. As well as to study performance differences. For example, I learned the Scribble effect dramatically slows down redraw. The image I posted draws in a few seconds, add a Scribble effect anywhere and that redraw time is easily quadrupled. Glows, shadows, blurs, feathers, etc. don't have that delay which the Scribble Effect provides.
Another goal was to determine just how much transformation can you accomplish and how to get past some limitations (such as the restriction to only move an object 100px via the transform effect). While I'd never actually need anything similar to the flower for real work. It is sometimes handy to know you can create multiple objects which different via the Appearance panel. For example.... eyes or ears of a comic character. That way they stay internally connected and you have less assets to manage. Set up graphic styles for eyes... and they are then just a click away.
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24. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
Kurt Gold Apr 29, 2012 11:30 AM (in response to [scott])I once did a (rather simple, but not too simple) topographic map just by using the Appearance palette. An enlightening experience and a sportful experiment ;-)
As for the 100 px limit you mention: Isn't it 4000 px per Transform effect ?
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25. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
[scott] Apr 29, 2012 12:25 PM (in response to Kurt Gold)hmm.. I only get 100px/pt in any direction.
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26. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
Kurt Gold Apr 29, 2012 12:29 PM (in response to [scott])You're used to only take the sliders, right?
Type 2798 px into the Move field and see what happens ;-)
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27. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
[scott] Apr 29, 2012 1:55 PM (in response to Kurt Gold)I'll be a monkey's uncle. I had no idea. Yup 4000.. THANKS for that!
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28. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
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29. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
Mathias17 May 11, 2012 9:18 PM (in response to Kurt Gold)(sweet, we can link Youtube's right in the posts, never tried it)
I'm sorry man . . . I'm still mystified here . . . I can't get Outline Stroke to work like the above-linked Illy 10 Style Demo.
I took her Distort > Roughen circle, with Outline Stroke applied so that the stroke becomes an outlined path and the subsequent Roughen affects it like it's been outlined and tried to duplicate the outcome from scratch, but I can't do it!
Doesn't work me . . . yet look at the Appearance Panel and compare - they're the same.
What is going on?
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30. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
emil emil May 11, 2012 11:46 PM (in response to Mathias17)Is there a difference when you click on the eye in the Appearance panel to hide the Outline Stroke effect? If yes, it is working.
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31. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
Mathias17 May 12, 2012 12:08 AM (in response to emil emil)Hey, emil.
No, no difference. Tried that.
As you can see - my Roughen is affecting the path with no outlining taking place, it has a constant width, unlike Teri's stroked path.
This shouldn't be that hard . . .
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32. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
emil emil May 12, 2012 12:28 AM (in response to Mathias17)Hmm, works fine here.
Try this, select your path and from the Appearance panel menu choose Clear Appearance. Then take the eyedropper tool, make sure it is set to copy appearance by double clicking the eye dropper in the tool box. Then while your path without any appearance is selected click on Teri's path to see if it will copy the effect. It may be helpful to turn the smart guided on to make it easier to click on the path with the eyedropper.
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33. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
Mathias17 May 12, 2012 12:32 AM (in response to emil emil)Yeah, I've always been able to copy her path's Appearance to any other path. That's actually how I've been getting the effect into my files since then.
Are you able to duplicate her results from scratch?
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34. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
emil emil May 12, 2012 12:56 AM (in response to Mathias17)Yes, I can do it from scratch without a problem. The point of my suggestion was when you start from scratch, after you draw the path, first clear its appearance to make sure it is not inheriting something by default. And also create it on a brand new layer.
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35. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
tromboniator May 12, 2012 1:52 AM (in response to emil emil)1 person found this helpfulMathias, I'm seeing the same problem (even after clearing the appearance), but can solve it by shifting the effects around the Appearance panel at what I think is random before putting them in their proper places. At least I have not yet determined which changes precede proper functioning. I got it to work on your "crappy" example by shifting both the outline and roughen effects a couple of times each, including applying them to the fill before shifting them back to the stroke. If there's any sense to it I haven't found it yet.
Peter
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36. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
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37. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
Mathias17 May 12, 2012 11:30 AM (in response to tromboniator)Wow . . . I still can't get it to work, even after shifting the effects around in the Appearance Panel for about a minute. No change. Very odd. I'm doomed to keep Teri's circle as a Graphic Style I'll have to apply to my own paths if I want the effect to work. What the heck.
No wonder I could never figure out what these effects did, in the past.
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38. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
Monika Gause May 12, 2012 1:11 PM (in response to Mathias17)Maybe you would like to post an example of what doesn't work.
But in addition to that: Teri's example is from Illustrator 10. There has been a change in the appearance panel in Illustrator CS4 which affects exactly the outline stroke and outline object effects. Stuff that has been possible until Illustrator CS3 is not any more:
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39. Re: What is: Effect > Path > Outline Object & Outline Stroke for?
Mathias17 May 12, 2012 3:53 PM (in response to Monika Gause)Did you miss the file I linked above, with the big black and white image in the post? My curvy path should show what Teri's circle is doing, but doesn't.
Your link led me to here - http://tpettit.best.vwh.net/adobe/index.html
I looked at a bunch of the webpages and files she makes available there. You speak of there being fundamental changes to how Illustrator handles basic things - like Outline Stroke. Well here in Teri's Fill and Stroke Behavior for Compound Shapes she talks about some changes. So, while it's possible that the way Outline Stroke is handled has changed it seems odd that it still works as intended on Teri's circle even in my CS6.