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1. Re: Should I upgrade my processor?
John T Smith Apr 29, 2012 8:39 AM (in response to ntreuter)Read Bill Hunt on a file type as WRAPPER http://forums.adobe.com/thread/440037
What is a CODEC... a Primer http://forums.adobe.com/thread/546811
What CODEC is INSIDE that file? http://forums.adobe.com/thread/440037
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Report back with the codec details of your file, use the programs below... a screen shot works well to SHOW people what you are doing
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For PC http://www.headbands.com/gspot/ or http://mediainfo.sourceforge.net/en
For Mac http://mediainspector.massanti.com/
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http://blogs.adobe.com/premiereprotraining/2011/02/red-yellow-and-green-render-bars.html
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If you have a red line over the timeline after importing a video and before adding any effects... your project is wrong for your video... read above about codecs
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Once you know exactly what it is you are editing, report back with that information... and your project setting, and if there is a red line above the video in the timeline, which indicates a mismatch between video and project
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2. Re: Should I upgrade my processor?
ntreuter Apr 29, 2012 8:47 AM (in response to John T Smith)I'll try to pull that in a little bit.
In general though my media is coming from one of two sources, and the slowdown happened in both:
My Canon Rebel T2i shot at 23.947 fps in 1080p
My GoPro HD Hero 2, shot at 30 fps in 1080p
I did no transcoding on these files, just loaded them in raw as they come off the cameras.
For the T2i i used the DSLR preset for the sequence. Need to double check what i used for the gopro footage.
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4. Re: Should I upgrade my processor?
Harm Millaard Apr 29, 2012 9:06 AM (in response to ntreuter)No sense in investing anything into that platform. The CPU is outdated, underpowered for the DSLR and GoPro material, the memory is DDR2, an ATI video card and only two disks.
Your best bet is to start saving for a new PC. Your current system is around 20 - 25 times slower than a fast desktop, which simply means where a fast desktop may need 1 hour to export a timeline, you would need a whole day.
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5. Re: Should I upgrade my processor?
ntreuter Apr 29, 2012 9:14 AM (in response to John T Smith)John, also I do not get the red line when importing video. It is only once I start applying effects that it completely slows down. Let me try a bit more to see if it is something specific. From what I could gather from using it a half dozen times is the issue is primarily with using auto color.
Also, rendering takes forever. When I use Media Encoder to create an output file, it took nearly four hours to render a five minute movie. That movie had a video track with auto color applied to each clip, an audio track for background music, two more video tracks that had an image on each as a layer. That was brutal.
Here is a short Jing movie I made whre I can show you what is going on:
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6. Re: Should I upgrade my processor?
ntreuter Apr 29, 2012 9:17 AM (in response to Harm Millaard)@Harm, that is what I was wondering though, couldn't I just update the mobo, ram, and CPU?
There is no way I can afford an entirely new PC but I can afford $400 - $500 to do that upgrade. I was thinking a Core i7 along with 16gb DDR3 RAM and a new Mobo to suppor it all.
I wont' get CUDA but my video card is pretty damn powerful and should work OK.
Is it normal though that adding the effects kills it? When I just import the regular video and cut it up it works very fast. Even rendering is fast. But the moment I add in any effects at all it just chugs.
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7. Re: Should I upgrade my processor?
Alan Craven Apr 29, 2012 9:21 AM (in response to ntreuter)When you apply effects to your video some serious number crunching has to go on if you are to see the outcome in anything like real time. When you render even more number crunching has to go on.
Read what Harm has said - your system is effectively toothless. A Nvidia graphics card would make a small improvement with those parts of the number crunching that are accelerated by the use of the GPU, but there are still the bottle-necks elsewhere.
You will not get a red line when you import video provided that you have chosen an appropriate preset for your video files.
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8. Re: Should I upgrade my processor?
ntreuter Apr 29, 2012 9:22 AM (in response to Alan Craven)I'm assuming the main bottleneck is in CPU since i see that spiking at 100% though. RAM probably assists with that?
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9. Re: Should I upgrade my processor?
RjL190365 Apr 29, 2012 9:42 AM (in response to ntreuter)No. Your entire system is outdated and obsolete all around. Even with the maximum amount of RAM and the fastest NVidia GPU, your system will still be four to five times slower than even an average-performing system with an average-performing current-generation CPU and a middling-performing GeForce GPU. In fact, all else being equal the Q9550 (at stock speed or even slightly overclocked) still performs slower than even the slowest Sandy Bridge i3 dual-core CPU-based desktop PC, let alone a fast i7-based PC.
As Harm stated, you will need a completely new CPU, a completely new motherboard, completely new RAM (since DDR2 RAM these days now costs twice as much money per GB as most DDR3 RAM). a new GPU and additional hard disks. All those typically cost as much money as a completely new build. Any investment whatsoever into this aged LGA 775 platform is a total waste of money at this point.
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10. Re: Should I upgrade my processor?
Harm Millaard Apr 29, 2012 9:49 AM (in response to ntreuter)@Harm, that is what I was wondering though, couldn't I just update the mobo, ram, and CPU?
NO. Not possible because of the socket, chipset and memory architecture. You need everything new, including the PSU if you are out of luck.
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11. Re: Should I upgrade my processor?
ntreuter Apr 29, 2012 9:51 AM (in response to Harm Millaard)I must be completely lost. If I get a new motherboard, and add a new processor and DDR memory to it, and it has a PCI-e slot for my existing graphics card, then how would i be out of luck?
btw I just upgraded my PSU as well. I ahve a stanard ATX case so everythign fits. I just need to go to the root with the mobo.
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12. Re: Should I upgrade my processor?
Harm Millaard Apr 29, 2012 9:54 AM (in response to ntreuter)Does that old PSU have a 6 pin and an 8 pin connector to power the video card? Does it deliver sufficient juice on that rail? I doubt that.
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13. Re: Should I upgrade my processor?
RjL190365 Apr 29, 2012 9:56 AM (in response to ntreuter)ntreuter wrote:
btw I just upgraded my PSU as well. I ahve a stanard ATX case so everythign fits. I just need to go to the root with the mobo.You really need to be more specific about the PSU: You need to tell us the brand, model and wattage of that PSU so that we can determine if it's adequate.
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15. Re: Should I upgrade my processor?
RjL190365 Apr 29, 2012 10:00 AM (in response to ntreuter)Not a good choice, I'm afraid. That PSU can barely handle 450W under the best of conditions even when new. In fact, some brands of 500W PSUs actually perform better than that so-called "630W" piece of junk. Many brands of PSUs lie about their wattages. So, you will need another new PSU, in this case.
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16. Re: Should I upgrade my processor?
ntreuter Apr 29, 2012 10:01 AM (in response to RjL190365)Well the i7 processor uses even less power than my q9550. I have a lot of overehad right now, what else is sucking up power i"m not considering?
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17. Re: Should I upgrade my processor?
RjL190365 Apr 29, 2012 10:05 AM (in response to ntreuter)ntreuter wrote:
Well the i7 processor uses even less power than my q9550. I have a lot of overehad right now, what else is sucking up power i"m not considering?
However, newer CPUs are much more sensitive on the DC output quality. The DC output quality of the Raidmax is pretty wretched at its maximum usable output. So, after accounting for the bad DC output quality (excessive ripple, etc.), that PSU is effectively only a 350W unit. In fact, a good quality 400W PSU actually has far better DC output quality at its rated maximum wattage than the Raidmax Hybrid does at half-wattage.
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18. Re: Should I upgrade my processor?
ntreuter Apr 29, 2012 10:08 AM (in response to RjL190365)Thanks, didn't know that. Appreciate the input. I'm still probably saving money upgrading mobo, PSU, ram, and processor than buying a entirely new PC.
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19. Re: Should I upgrade my processor?
RjL190365 Apr 29, 2012 10:18 AM (in response to ntreuter)In fact, good 600 to 650W modular PSUs cost much more than $53 shipped. You really need to spend at least $90 for a good 650W-class PSU. In other words, if you see a "630W" PSU at a price that seems too good to be true, that price most likely IS too good to be true.
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20. Re: Should I upgrade my processor?
ntreuter Apr 29, 2012 6:10 PM (in response to RjL190365)any recommendations for motherboards to go with a new ivy bridge processor?
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21. Re: Should I upgrade my processor?
ntreuter Apr 30, 2012 9:49 AM (in response to ntreuter)well, big upgrade underway for me tonight, putting in a new I7 3770k and, 16gb Crucial RAM (will add another 16 in the future), and a new mobo (asrock z77 extreme4)
I know it's not whta some of you guys are doing but I'm a hobbyist and this is mostly home videos, not hollywood productions. So I'm hoping this will help. Also gives me expandability capabilities in the future by having a crossfire ready mobo and also many Sata3 / USB3 / eSata ports.
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22. Re: Should I upgrade my processor?
ntreuter May 1, 2012 7:51 AM (in response to ntreuter)I succesfully installed my new mobo, ram and processor yesterday evening. I have to reinstall all my apps as I couldn't get Windows to load so I had to do a fresh install, which is fine anyway (thankfully I remembered to deactivate CS5 before upgrading!)
I think I will end up selling my 5850 and buying some sort of Nvidia for the CUDA support. I don't want to break the bank, under $250 ideally. What's the best bang for the buck in that price range?
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25. Re: Should I upgrade my processor?
ntreuter May 1, 2012 7:05 PM (in response to Bill Gehrke)What about this? $270 seems like a good price!
http://slickdeals.net/f/4314298-EVGA-Nvidia-Gefore-GTX-570-HD-DS-269-99-after-rebate-at-Am azon
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26. Re: Should I upgrade my processor?
Zoop studio May 1, 2012 7:18 PM (in response to ntreuter)GTX 560 ti 448 cudacores, cheaper, more bandwidth
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27. Re: Should I upgrade my processor?
ntreuter May 2, 2012 1:35 PM (in response to Zoop studio)I ended up getting two more pieces today. i've basically upgrade dmy entire PC at this point, haha.
Picked up a GTX570 to replace my Radeon 5850
Also picked up a new PSU, a Corsair modular 750w Silver.
So my specs are now:
16GB Ram
ASRock z77 Extreme4 mobo
Corsaire 750w PSU
Intel Core i7 3770k processor
EVGA GTX-570 480 Cuda cores
I should be rocking now hopefully! And hopefully i can avoid any updates for a couple more years now
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28. Re: Should I upgrade my processor?
Jim_Simon May 2, 2012 2:22 PM (in response to ntreuter)That's a decent system that should handle most anything quite well.