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1. Re: What's the technique best emplyed for this confetti?
acresofgreen Apr 29, 2012 9:29 AM (in response to pat agonia)I should think it would be easiest to use a B&W image of the bride and groom that has no confetti in it and add fake colored confetti with a scatter brush. I realize that is not what you want to do ...
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2. Re: What's the technique best emplyed for this confetti?
Paulo Skylar Apr 29, 2012 9:53 AM (in response to pat agonia)One approach is to change the image to B/W with an adjustment layer and then on top of that add several new layers, one for each color. Use your favorite tool for selecting the color areas. With the red confetti selected, for example, use the history brush to paint over the image to produce the red confetti. Any red items not confetti can be erased out. Do the same for the other colors. Here is an example of what can be done quickly - more time will give you better results.
Paulo
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3. Re: What's the technique best emplyed for this confetti?
Shan-Dysigns Apr 29, 2012 9:53 AM (in response to pat agonia)but the confetti wants to remain in colour.
I hope they are prepared to pay $$$ for the time it's going to take to "properly" do that effect. There are simply WAY too many colors and tones to rely on any selection tools. You are going to have to do this manually. Place a b/w copy of the image on top of itself and mask out the b/w areas of confetti.
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4. Re: What's the technique best emplyed for this confetti?
acresofgreen Apr 29, 2012 9:55 AM (in response to acresofgreen)What you could do using this image is:
Convert it to B&W with an adjustment layer
Hide the adjustment on individual pieces of confetti by selecting the mask and painting over the most prominent pieces of confetti with a black brush.
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5. Re: What's the technique best emplyed for this confetti?
Shan-Dysigns Apr 29, 2012 9:58 AM (in response to Paulo Skylar)That might be ok if the couple doesn't mind the confetti's color shifting. Assuming they are going to want these printed, any little shift in color will be noticeable (like if a piece of confetti's edge doesn't match the overall color - sort of like fringing). I still think (unelss the couple isn't too concerned about accuracy), this will have to be quite manual.
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6. Re: What's the technique best emplyed for this confetti?
pat agonia Apr 29, 2012 10:18 AM (in response to Shan-Dysigns)Thanks.
The tutorials started off with Colour Splash (I did not know what to go looking for on Google or Youtube)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjUWPRvpjhI&feature=related
but that seemed very labour intensive so I went looking for another, b&w with colour accents
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO8mNrgZyNQ
which was quite straight forward but again, lots of work.
Doing more than one colour is causing me some problems though.
Thanks
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7. Re: What's the technique best emplyed for this confetti?
JWadical Apr 29, 2012 10:40 AM (in response to pat agonia)The confetti is very saturated compared with everything else in the image. And the saturated confetti is what you want to highlight. So convert a version of the image to LAB, and use AB curves like below to kill the color in the image except in the saturated extremes. Then, use an edge mask (you can google that) to create a mask like the one below to pull out more of the confetti. Then manually brush out the color in the edges of the faces, the blue light, the exit sign. Very little manual work, and pretty good effect.
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Shan-Dysigns Apr 29, 2012 11:05 AM (in response to pat agonia)but that seemed very labour intensive
When you figure out and add up all the time you've wasted looking for the "easy way out", you could have already been half way done doing it the most accurate way. The video you saw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjUWPRvpjhI&feature=related is going to be your best bet (as this is how I suggested) and will give you the most accurate result.
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Trevor.Dennis Apr 29, 2012 4:00 PM (in response to pat agonia)Have they got a similar shot without the confetti? If so, use that and add the confetti with a suitable brush. I bet there are confetti brushes already out there with scatter and colour jitter. Yep. There are dozens!
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11. Re: What's the technique best emplyed for this confetti?
Shan-Dysigns Apr 29, 2012 4:03 PM (in response to Trevor.Dennis)I doubt the couple wants a recreation of this image, but a color splash effect as described above.
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12. Re: What's the technique best emplyed for this confetti?
pat agonia Apr 29, 2012 4:16 PM (in response to Shan-Dysigns)Yes, I need to use the original shot and not fake a confetti shot - I think what I've done will suffice for the mo' and then if they want "more" then I can work on a couple of the other techniques mentioned here.
Cheers
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Lundberg02 Apr 29, 2012 5:37 PM (in response to station_one)Crappy focus, what about that?
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Noel Carboni Apr 29, 2012 7:26 PM (in response to Lundberg02)You should stop trying to candy-coat stuff Lundberg, and just say what's on your mind.
-Noel
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16. Re: What's the technique best emplyed for this confetti?
Shan-Dysigns Apr 29, 2012 7:32 PM (in response to Lundberg02)Crappy focus, what about that?
I've noticed a lot of your comments are crass replies rather than trying to help the OP's issue. What's up with that?
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17. Re: What's the technique best emplyed for this confetti?
station_one Apr 29, 2012 8:36 PM (in response to Lundberg02)Vintage Lundberg02!
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18. Re: What's the technique best emplyed for this confetti?
pat agonia Apr 30, 2012 1:29 AM (in response to pat agonia)Don't worry - there's a Troll on every web site.
250iso
f2.8
1/15 second
no sharpening (yet)
Since Lindyberg is unaware of this technique, I'll explain as it is all done in-camera and sometimes there is in deed a risk of a slight softening of the image, depending on many factors, not least a slow shutter speed in order to ensure the correct effect that's required (blurred confetti) then there's the couple still moving during their first dance, the camra can focus upon the confetti if it's confused, the photographer can be slightly unsteady (running around after the couple, shifting location every 5 seconds), likely it's shot number 8 of 15 so there's a certain amount of shutter / camera shake . It's never a problem. Ever.
Then you have to think: how is a shot like this used, ultimately? Answer: in the Book layout, on an A4 page, ergo, you don't need a large file size nor does it matter that it may be slightly soft.
As a professional photographer these things are always a trade-off - the important thing being the blurred confetti, retaining a reasonable level of ambient light and capturing the moment.
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19. Re: What's the technique best emplyed for this confetti?
Lundberg02 Apr 30, 2012 2:03 PM (in response to pat agonia)Unaware of what technique?
Topaz InFocus, in case you are unaware of that technique.
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20. Re: What's the technique best emplyed for this confetti?
pat agonia Apr 30, 2012 2:24 PM (in response to Lundberg02)Me thinks you have missed the point entirely.
N'er mind.
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21. Re: What's the technique best emplyed for this confetti?
Lundberg02 Apr 30, 2012 3:16 PM (in response to pat agonia)Well, on my planet, we like to provide album photographs that look like they were taken on purpose.
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22. Re: What's the technique best emplyed for this confetti?
Shan-Dysigns Apr 30, 2012 4:58 PM (in response to Lundberg02)Well, on my planet, we like to provide album photographs that look like they were taken on purpose.
That's great! Now post some of your stuff online so others can criticize it too (since your skills apparently far outweigh others). It's so easy to criticize those who may not be as experienced as you, so let's just see how good you are at pressing a button on a camera (because that's basically all it is, right)?
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23. Re: What's the technique best emplyed for this confetti?
Trevor.Dennis Apr 30, 2012 7:38 PM (in response to Shan-Dysigns)Shan-Dysigns wrote:
Well, on my planet, we like to provide album photographs that look like they were taken on purpose.
That's great! Now post some of your stuff online so others can criticize it too (since your skills apparently far outweigh others). It's so easy to criticize those who may not be as experienced as you, so let's just see how good you are at pressing a button on a camera (because that's basically all it is, right)?
We are not supposed to promote our own work on these forums, but I absolutely agree that folk should put up or shut up. I am happy to share my stuff, but I don't have any out of focus poor quality shots in my flickr stream — I take a few, but have got more sense than to show them to other people.
Hey, I was contacted by a lady from our National Archive in Wellington yesterday, asking to use some pictures I took at our Anzac Day parade and service last Wednesday. She liked how the pictures told stories about the people, and I didn't like to tell her that I made most of it up. First rule of Photojournalism... Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.
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24. Re: What's the technique best emplyed for this confetti?
Shan-Dysigns Apr 30, 2012 9:27 PM (in response to Trevor.Dennis)We are not supposed to promote our own work on these forums
I wasn't literally asking him to promote anything. But, there is nothing wrong if there is a link in our profile that contains examples of our work. What's wrong with that?
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25. Re: What's the technique best emplyed for this confetti?
pat agonia May 1, 2012 2:35 AM (in response to pat agonia)Lindyberg.
Since you clearly failed to bother reading my reply of yesterday, I will, for your sake, reiterate thus re-stating: the photograph was planned.
The details were discussed in the aforementioned reply and since I've photographed some 600+ weddings, many of them Greek and Jewish, I know there is a hit / fail rate that is inherent with such photographic technique - so for you to have read and understood (?) said reply and now believe, in error, that the shot was not planned, and ignoring that quite odd link in an earlier reply, then I should ideally provide you with a head/bang/ wall icon, which sadly, I won't.
Shan - if you look on the Graphistudio web site you will see that it is my work that has been featured these past 9 years as part of their original sales material and is still a gallery of images from one wedding (it was last I looked) - I am possibly the last of their original Old Guard - they sought me out to provide images for their promotional material and the work is, even in these fast, fluid evolving photographic times, considered contemporary & relevant to this day. I have no desire to provide you with a link to my body of work since it is drawing to a close in its current form.
Thank you once again to those whose have extended their friendship and knowledge thus far and hopefully the Trolls have to get back for feeding time at the cave, and if we're lucky, we'll not see them again.
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26. Re: What's the technique best emplyed for this confetti?
Shan-Dysigns May 1, 2012 9:58 AM (in response to pat agonia)Shan... I have no desire to provide you with a link to my body of work since it is drawing to a close in its current form.
What? You must have flipped your wig? I was taking up for (you know, standing by your side) - I was suggesting Lundberg02 to provide a link of his work since his tacky comments stated he was better than thou.I even quoted HIS last statement when I wrote that. Maybe you need to slow your roll and stop being so defensive (especially since you can't read a post properly).
I will remember to let you fight your own battles from now on...
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27. Re: What's the technique best emplyed for this confetti?
pat agonia May 1, 2012 10:14 AM (in response to Shan-Dysigns)Hi Shan.
You're right.
I'm again replying from my email inbox and not the web site and since I worked through the night, no sleep, I rattled off some quick replies in he morning, the Adobe ones being my last before I got 2hrs kip.
Please accept my humble apologies!
Tim
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pat agonia May 1, 2012 4:22 PM (in response to pat agonia)I prefer Corn Flakes myself.
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Shan-Dysigns May 1, 2012 6:18 PM (in response to JWadical)Confetti needs motion blur - then it would be priceless!
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Lundberg02 May 1, 2012 11:28 PM (in response to Noel Carboni)Actually I think the composition is pretty good, kind of an inverse rule of thirds.
40 knots wind over deck and pitching.
Love the confetti version. It's kind of what your brain does when they shoot you off a carrier.
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34. Re: What's the technique best emplyed for this confetti?
Shan-Dysigns May 1, 2012 11:53 PM (in response to Lundberg02)Can we put this thread to rest already?
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35. Re: What's the technique best emplyed for this confetti?
pat agonia May 2, 2012 2:40 AM (in response to pat agonia)To Bed.
However, before I go, I should point out these few observations:
1) The most recent trend in photography as seen here http://www.bjp-online.com/british-journal-of-photography/project/2127269/jason-larkin-cair o-divided and with http://www.chloedewemathews.com/ and http://www.simonnorfolk.com/burkenorfolk/photos.html.
This the work that is making waves, and composition is simply not paramount, or is it? It's also mostly 6x7 and 5x4 film.
2) The rule of thirds is all very well, especially when starting out, but ideally, you should be thinking in almost pure geometric terms: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_triangle_%28mathematics%29.
If you are new to photography and are at all unsure of the power of geometry in art can I suggest you take a look at the 2008 issue of Vanity Fair, The Green Issue, Madonna’s 10th appearance on the cover shot by photographer Steven Meisel, but it's the images within that are magesterial.
3) I've been fascinated and partly horrified, truth be known, that there is no hesitation in simply not doing things right in-camera, but faking it digitally thereafter, adding yet more hours sitting in front of the PC (the last few lectures I went to I must have been the only normal sized person in the room, so large have the photographic community become here in the UK) . Witness the plethora of confetti throwing shots posted up on line here by members (?) in this thread that make the grade (if you feel mine falls somewhat short) but instead we're treated to digital techniques to simply add confetti where none previously existed.
I would add that we never set out in this thread to explore the presence/absence dynamic, most notably outlined 35 years ago in Sontag’s "On Photography", and whilst a great admirer of the ladies writing, this post was simply to satisfy a client's wish to have confetti coloured, something I have resisted these past 8 years with a passion; it was dated then and its most certainly dated now, some would say tacky too.
Are we witness, right here within Adobe's World to a modern day metaphor, a digital catastrophe that is The Obscene Mystery (of photography) as Sontag would have it? Hidegger suggested it would be a personal event but I would suggest digital has perhaps made it a collective experience that even those within are unaware of its dynamic and true meaning.
Is it that I have strayed into Circle XI of Dante's Canto X?
To bed.
As you say: to bed.
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36. Re: What's the technique best emplyed for this confetti?
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37. Re: What's the technique best emplyed for this confetti?
Shan-Dysigns May 2, 2012 10:39 AM (in response to Trevor.Dennis)To bed.
As you say: to bed.
<soapBoxRant>
No, not really... you can't just go on a random rant like that and not expect some type of response. Everything about anything is strictly a guideline to proper procedure. If all you do is go by the book, there is no room for creativity. People forget (anything and everything is RELATIVE and SUBJECTIVE). Art is the same, Photoshop design is the same, life is the same. All these "rules" about design and layout mean NOTHING if there is no creativity backing it up. I know these forums are filled with very educated people about the software, but couldn't create a simple design to save their lives (which is ok I guess, but book smarts doesn't always trump street smarts).
Anyway, I think it's just a waste of time for people to try and justify their work, decisions, techniques, etc. There are a million and one ways to get to the end - sometimes we learn more efficient ways to get there by doing it the long and laborious way. I'm self taught, so I think I've gained a better education by learning a lot by trial and error. Sometimes one can learn more about "how not to do it" than being told the fastest way to get it done. All these years I've been on these forums (even beyond 2009 under a different name), I see posturing in about 25% of the threads I read (like an online version of "my thing is bigger than yours"). For some reason, people think just because they've gone out and downloaded a hacked version of Photoshop (not accusing anyone here), a professional in them that makes. It's the same with people who buy a digital camera worth more than they make in a month, but yet flood the market pertending to be a professional photographer. These people are killing the freelance market. These fresh out of high school kids using website templates to quickly put a bunch of garbage together thus cheating the customer (and somehow getting more money out of the client than what professionals would charge).
It's also the same with people who own a video camera - they think they are a YouTube star and start making what they call tutorials (which more than likely are filled with incorrect information and uneducated teachings), then they try to have as many followers as possible (as this is obviously what makes them feel alive - random people "liking" their video). It's the same thing with Facebook - I don't know how many people add friends they don't know just to bump up their numbers - kind of like some people in these forums just respond to random threads and know absolutely nothing about the topic or the software just to bump up their numbers... wow, I've strayed here... let me jump back.
My point is this: we are all students to the game, so let's keep the posturing out of trying to help others. Yes, I admit there are those in here who do need a little bit of lashing now and then (when they keep creating threads basically asking others to do their work for them). I've probably most known for being involved with heated threads (I think Noel got caught in a few of those, haha), but usualy that happens when someone starts posturing to me (and I don't take that for a minute).
Remember, most people in here are really trying to learn - not come in here to be told their work is not so great.
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38. Re: What's the technique best emplyed for this confetti?
Noel Carboni May 2, 2012 11:15 AM (in response to pat agonia)Quickest way to pump life into a thread is to ask that people stop posting in it. So STOP ALREADY! And KEEP STOPPING!
Yeah, once in a while I like to stir $#!+ up.
In all seriousness, let's all try to be positive and keep learning here. And we can all ignore the occasional rants of a certain flyboy, because...
It's kind of what your brain does when they shoot you off a carrier.
-Noel
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39. Re: What's the technique best emplyed for this confetti?
Lundberg02 May 2, 2012 5:25 PM (in response to Noel Carboni)