31 Replies Latest reply: Aug 4, 2013 1:07 AM by Toon&Beeld RSS

    Importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D Camcorder

    Bengaldad Community Member

      Does Premiere Pro CS6 support importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD-10 3D camcorder?

       

      Tom

        • 1. Re: Importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D Camcorder
          JSS1138 Community Member

          I've yet to see any promotion about editing in 3D with the new CS6 suite.

          • 2. Re: Importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D Camcorder
            Todd_Kopriva Adobe Employee

            There are no changes regarding stereoscopic 3D editing in Premiere Pro CS6.

            • 3. Re: Importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D Camcorder
              Bengaldad Community Member

              Thanks to both responders.

               

              I put in two requests to Adobe over a year ago to include support for ingesting MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 camcorder.  I had hoped that Adobe would incorporate this support into Premiere Pro CS6 so that i could use PP for editing these files on my Mac.  However, it looks like I'llhave to continue to turn to Cyberlink's Power Director 10 and/or Vegas Pro both of which do suport the ingestion of these files.  Incorporation of support for MVC files would have made upgrading to Production Premium CS6 a no-brainer for me, but now I feel less compulsion to upgrade my CS5.5.

               

              Tom

              • 4. Re: Importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D Camcorder
                tjh65 Community Member

                Yes I agree. The lack of support for 3D in CS6 is very poor. There is no support for 3D blu-ray in encore either. Clearly Adobe is lagging technically. All my video is now in 3D. Vegas Pro does support MVC  and also it can build 3d Blu-ray.

                • 5. Re: Importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D Camcorder
                  tommyceb

                  Unbelievable and unacceptable. This is extremely disappointing. Working in a small independent production company who works primarily in stereoscopic 3D I had truly hoped Adobe was going to address this with CS6 and offer a better solution then Cineform. As a company that prides itself in being able to work in native formats not having support for MVC(MTS) files is a big miss. We are forced to purchase Vegas(which I can't stand as sony is a joke and should have provided better support for mac and other NLE's with the release of their cameras but when has Sony ever done anything that doesn't benefit only Sony) or follow some huge workaround just to use these files. Even Avid with their latest release is attempting to address working in 3D and that came out before CS6. You should have taken a hint Adobe. I really hope this issue is addressed.

                  Overall the Premiere Pro upgrades in CS6 have been a huge disappointment with the exception of a very few things ie. adjustment layers. New default workspace. REALLY?!!!! Behind the times Adobe. This version should have come out in 2009 with FCP 7. With more and more work being done and expected in post this just does not cut it. The people you are taking advice from should be fired. All in all very frustrating.

                  • 6. Re: Importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D Camcorder
                    kar13 Community Member

                    tommyceb,

                    What company do you work with/for? I may be needing a company to produce 3D DVD if Encore can not do it.

                    • 7. Re: Importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D Camcorder
                      Toon&Beeld Community Member

                      NO Adobe does not support MVC in CS6, may be in CC?
                      .
                      You first have to split S3D up into two avi files.( MVCtoAVI)
                      Than use the newest plugin supported by Adobe: Quick3D
                      you get SbS or Anagliph

                       

                      Adobe:
                      when are you going to support the MVC files?
                      Even the Z10000 gives extra splitting work !

                      • 9. Re: Importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D Camcorder
                        Allynn Wilkinson Community Member

                        I have to say, I am dual booting my Mac in Windows 7 so I can do a trial of the new Edius 7.  The Eduis support for m2ts files is supposed to be excellent.  I doubt that I'll abandon Adobe for Grass Valley but I'll probably have one Mac boot into Win 7 primarily to edit 3D in Edius

                         

                        Only 113 Windows updates to go and I can install the Edius Trial!  I'll keep y'all posted

                        • 10. Re: Importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D Camcorder
                          tfi productions 44 Community Member

                          hello, 

                           

                          a friend of mine has vegas12 and swears by it

                          he says that it does handle mvc so i stopped by and gave it a go

                          and so far so good: it's fun to use

                          i didn't complete anything on it

                          but it does show presets for mvc and all types of 3d, s3d material: even full sbs

                           

                          now to find a way to author a 3d bluray (those programs are expensive)

                           

                          it's a bummer that adobe has chosen to sit on the the sidelines again, it seems rather masochistic of them

                           

                          cheers, j

                          • 11. Re: Importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D Camcorder
                            John T Smith CommunityMVP

                            >bummer that adobe has chosen to sit on the the sidelines again

                             

                            I don't have a link (not interested in 3D) but I did read a news article in the past 2-3 weeks that ESPN is dropping support for 3D broadcasts... very expensive for too small a market

                             

                            My "general" sense is that Adobe is not interested in being part of the leading edge... they work with established standards to have a large enough sales audience to make the effort profitable

                             

                            Right now, I don't think Adobe is going to put much effort into 3D

                            • 12. Re: Importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D Camcorder
                              Todd_Kopriva Adobe Employee

                              We did do early work in stereoscopic 3D a few years ago, adding more stereoscopic 3D features in After Effects CS5.5... and we found that almost no one used them.

                               

                              It's not that we're sitting on the sidelines; it's that when we have added features in this area, nearly no one used them, so we determined that this was not an area where we should focus.

                              • 13. Re: Importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D Camcorder
                                tfi productions 44 Community Member

                                hello, 

                                 

                                i am a big fan of adobe: i love cs6 so far that i'm using it: no problems at all

                                i just wish s3d was better supported

                                i completely understand why it isn't

                                 

                                 

                                has anyone worked with the gopro s3d solution with PPRO cs6 please?

                                i would be interested in how the interface(s) work

                                 

                                thanks for clarifying adobe's pov

                                 

                                cheers,

                                 

                                j

                                • 14. Re: Importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D Camcorder
                                  Toon&Beeld Community Member

                                  has anyone worked with the gopro s3d solution with PPRO cs6 please?

                                  i would be interested in how the interface(s) work

                                  I did use the cineform interface and conversion ( with other camera's)  ik was quite easy to use.
                                  I guess the have a trial version of Gopro Studio.
                                  as wel the 2D as the 3D is based on metadata, so non destructive
                                  I that what you mean ?

                                   

                                  http://cineform.com/workflow-overview

                                  • 15. Re: Importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D Camcorder
                                    JSS1138 Community Member

                                    a few years ago, no one used them.

                                     

                                    Things have changed, Todd.  if Adobe wants to play in Hollywood, native 3D effects and support across programs is a must on your To Do list, doncha think?

                                    • 16. Re: Importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D Camcorder
                                      Fuzzy Barsik Community Member
                                      and we found that almost no one used them.

                                      I was that one...

                                      • 17. Re: Importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D Camcorder
                                        Todd_Kopriva Adobe Employee

                                        > Things have changed, Todd.  if Adobe wants to play in Hollywood, native 3D effects and support across programs is a must on your To Do list, doncha think?

                                         

                                        No.

                                         

                                        In fact, when we ask our customers (and potential customers) in feature film part of the industry what they want us to work on, that almost never comes up. Stereoscopic 3D is not a major factor now. It had a brief and shallow resurgence, but it's not a big part of the industry. Doing features in that area is a tremendous amount of work for a tiny payoff.

                                         

                                        Of course, if you disagree, please submit feature requests to make your voice heard:

                                        http://www.adobe.com/go/wish

                                        • 18. Re: Importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D Camcorder
                                          Allynn Wilkinson Community Member

                                          Well, that's fine if it's Adobe's policy.  But be aware that you **will** lose those of us who are editing 3D.  I'm still a committed Mac user, even after the FCP X debacle, but I'm dual booting into Windows 7 so I can try the 3D capabilities in Edius and maybe Vegas.  The very fact that there is *no* Apple program to deal with m2ts files makes me seriously wonder if it's time to go back to Windows.  Now that's not Adobe's problem; I recognize that.  But if I am doing s3d and I have to use a different editor (on a different platform) how long will it be before I stop dual booting and change platforms?  And how long after that will I decide I don't need to juggle multiple NLE's?

                                          • 19. Re: Importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D Camcorder
                                            Todd_Kopriva Adobe Employee

                                            Like I said, if you want to cast your vote for more work in this area, use the feature request link that I provided. That's how we tally interest in such things.

                                            • 20. Re: Importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D Camcorder
                                              Toon&Beeld Community Member

                                              Of course, if you disagree, please submit feature requests to make your voice heard:

                                              http://www.adobe.com/go/wish

                                               

                                              I good plan !   150 Years ago I tried 3D in photography and tape-slide shows... too complicated.. 

                                              Regarding to those times it is easy now. The biggest problem are the glasses to be used, Up to the glasses-les S3D !! I've seen it from Philips and Dolby, not yet 100% ... but comming up
                                              Probably because there is to few film made in 3D. The low budget- camara's are in MVC

                                               

                                              when it is easy to create, no technical issues, you onlu have to worry about your film and the script.  Now it is possible for a rather low budget. So sign up for s3D support in Premier.  In CC we dont have to wait for an upgrade in 2015.

                                               

                                              Join in  !!

                                              • 21. Re: Importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D Camcorder
                                                Bengaldad Community Member

                                                More than a year ago I made a request through the link Todd listed for support for importing 3D Sony MVC files into Premiere Pro.  Obviously, it made no difference and Adobe has not supported importing MVC files.  In response , I switched my NLE to Sony's Vegas and Cyberlink's Power Director 11, both of which support 3D editing of MVC files. Sony Vegas allows an MVC Blu-ray 3D disk to be burned directly from the timeline, and Power Director 11 allows for full 3D menu authoring.  Both do an excellent job of stereoscopic editing of MVC files.

                                                 

                                                I would question the assertion that few in the feature film industry are interested in 3D.  I continue to see a steady release of 3D Blu- ray discs, and I continue to purchase the 3D Blu-ray Discs for viewing in my home theater. There is an active 3D forum on the AVS web site, and Sony and others continue to make 3D cameras.  While Adobe may think there is little or no interest in 3D, there is clearly interest elsewhere in stereoscopic 3D.

                                                 

                                                Tom

                                                • 22. Re: Importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D Camcorder
                                                  tjh65 Community Member

                                                  I use mvctoavi to produce cineform files.

                                                  QTGMC for deinterlacing.

                                                  Gopro Studio for 3D editing in Premiere Pro.

                                                  Vegus Pro for mvc encoding

                                                  DVD Architect Pro for building a 3D blu-ray disc.

                                                   

                                                  Adobe are very unlikely to support mvc and so are being left behind by most of the other major editors.

                                                  I am going to drop Adobe all together in any case unless they come to their senses and abandon the cloud only policy.

                                                  • 23. Re: Importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D Camcorder
                                                    JSS1138 Community Member

                                                    when we ask our customers (and potential customers) in feature film part of the industry what they want us to work on, that almost never comes up. Stereoscopic 3D is not a major factor now. It had a brief and shallow resurgence, but it's not a big part of the industry. Doing features in that area is a tremendous amount of work for a tiny payoff.

                                                     

                                                    I admit, I'm surprised.

                                                     

                                                    While I do enjoy well shot 3D myself, I don't plan on actually producing any in the near future.  And if I ever did, I'd much rather be the director than the editor anyway.  I just like the idea of Premiere Pro being a major player in Hollywood, and with so many major movies being shot and released in 3D, I figured this would be critical for PP to make inroads to movies like Iron Man 4 or Avengers 2.

                                                     

                                                    Really I just want that Adobe logo to show up at the end of the credits as often I we used to see the Kodak logo.

                                                    • 24. Re: Importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D Camcorder
                                                      tfi productions 44 Community Member

                                                      hello,  i'm checking out the user guide to power director ultimate suite 11 and so far so sweeeeeet for mvc material and bluray disc authoring with menus

                                                      (which is what just vegas does (sondy dvd architect does the disc authoring but i don't see it available anymore))

                                                       

                                                      also power director ultimate suite is only like 200$

                                                       

                                                      perhaps this is the answer...

                                                       

                                                      cheers, j

                                                      • 25. Re: Importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D Camcorder
                                                        Toon&Beeld Community Member

                                                        There is an active 3D forum on the AVS web site, and Sony and others continue to make 3D cameras.  While Adobe may think there is little or no interest in 3D, there is clearly interest elsewhere in stereoscopic 3D.

                                                         

                                                         

                                                        ... and see LinkedIn ( and other social network) also for several 3D groups: technical and creative !

                                                        • 26. Re: Importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D Camcorder
                                                          Toon&Beeld Community Member

                                                          QTGMC for deinterlacing.

                                                           

                                                           

                                                          Thanks !!

                                                          BTW a good list ..:-)   
                                                          I am going to chech this out !!

                                                          • 27. Re: Importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D Camcorder
                                                            Bengaldad Community Member

                                                            Power Director 11 which imports and edits MVC files and can burn full 3D Blu-ray videos is only $70.  I have found PD 11 to be a stable and highly effective NLE for handling Sony MVC files.

                                                             

                                                            Tom

                                                            • 28. Re: Importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D Camcorder
                                                              tjh65 Community Member

                                                              In fact Power Director does not produce Profile 5 Blu-ray 3D discs. It does produce AVCHD 3D discs which most 3D players support.

                                                              Vegas Pro and  DVD Architect Pro do produce Profile 5 discs but are limited to 25Mb/s.

                                                              I have found that Vegas Pro and DVD Architect pro produces the better quality disc.

                                                               

                                                              Both do not support interlaced video so you need to deinterlace for which I use QTGMC.

                                                              QTGMC is very slow but is the best deinterlacer I have found.

                                                              Multi threading is supported but a little difficult to setup.

                                                               

                                                              As I said previously the Cloud is going to make Adobe a non starter for many people.

                                                              The lack of 3D is adding to the exodus from Adobe.

                                                              • 29. Re: Importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D Camcorder
                                                                Bengaldad Community Member

                                                                I have found no significant differences in the image quality of the 3D Blu-ray discs created in Power Driector and Vegas Pro 12, and that is viewing the discs using an Oppo BDP-95 player on a 100 in. screen with a Sony VPL-VW95ES projector.  Note that I am not claiming there are no image quality differences just that  I have not been able to discern any differences in my home theater setup. Vegas Pro 12 is signfiicantly more expensive than Power Director 11, and the latter produces  3D Menus whereas DVD Architect 5.0 is limited to 2D menus only. Both are excellent pieces of software that I use frequently, and it is sad to see that Adobe has decided that the 3D market does not justify any further work.

                                                                • 30. Re: Importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D Camcorder
                                                                  Zahoor M. Sakharkar Community Member

                                                                  Yes it is extremely sad adobe do not support 3D. Having been a premiere user since premiere 6 and all its upgrades (with various matrox cards and nightmares) to cs5.5 (did not see a huge improvement in cs6 for me to upgrade) i was forced to look at vegas (too many crashes) and lately switched over to edius 6.5 for the 3D work. I love the speed at which edius edits native 3D files and with proxy mode the scrubbing is sweet. I still use premiere because for the 2D work gets edited faster than edius as media encoder is a separate program and is able to render in the background. Edius is faster to edit but about 3 times slow for exporting hidef 3d and you can't work on another project while this is happening. All my films are shot in 3D now on either the td10 or z10000. Really miss the 3d support in premiere.

                                                                  • 31. Re: Importing MVC files from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D Camcorder
                                                                    Toon&Beeld Community Member

                                                                    So of we all fill in the wishform from line #17, may be ...

                                                                    I did !