12 Replies Latest reply: May 28, 2012 6:09 PM by jmichae1 RSS

    dw cs5 (not responding) for 5 minutes or more, other problems

    jmichae1 Community Member
      • if I am doing a manual virus scan of my machine, the minute the scan starts, dw becomes locked up and the GUI refuses to redraw and it might even say (not responding).

      periodically for some unknown reason, (seems to be ANY disk accesses by some background app?) usually dw freezes during that time for about 5 minutes after the disk access is over.  a few times it is shorter, but not usually.

      • in all the dw cs5 built-in templates, charset for UTF-8 (should be upper case to meet w3c validation) is in as utf-8.
      • <script></ doesn't close the tag with html5 pack.  neither does anything with SVG or MathML, which are part of HTML5.
      • the full set of modules for css3 and css2.1 are not supported in the HTML5 pack.  I would like to do browser testing.  I would also like to future-proof my investment!  don't just do the minimums.
      • the full set of HTML5 tags, attributes, input element types according to the w3c standard are not included in Insert, tag portion of the menu in the HTML5 pack.
      • syntax highlighing for javascript clearTimout() is different than the syntax highlighting for setTimeout().
      • syntax highlighting is not done correctly for situations where there are 2 /'s on a line in javascript, such as where there is math (division) and a // at the end of the line.  it is improperly lexed as a regex.  this really bugs me when I am coding.
      • there needs to be a fixed refresh button for reinterpreting code/code+design/design view when changes have been made and something goes wrong like a redraw failure, or for when a problem has been fixed and you would like to see if dw sees any broken tags left.
      • the feature in dw which you set in prefs that is supposed to "fixup documents with missing/mismatched tags" and such doesn't do that. it only makes lots of noises that it is doing so, but never does anything about it except throw up a dialog.  I want it to fix the document like I told it to.  broken feature.  as it is, I have to make lots of guesses as to where those broken tags are, because dw doesn't highlight them either.   I designed an algorithm I use in my bracematcher program at https://sourceforge.net/projects/bracematcher/  you might be interested in which would flag those orphaned open and close tags.  I am sure you can do this yourself, it just requires knowledge of recursion and stacks and using == and != it's very simple.  I was thinking might even be able to rewrite my program to work with tags, which would make it an even more interesting program.  the lexer and string handling is the toughest part, and HTML is weird with strings on attributes.  I really need to do this since dw isn't highlighting my tag problems.  at least I can get a detailed report of the problems with my tags.
        • 1. Re: dw cs5 (not responding) for 5 minutes or more, other problems
          bmurr22 MVP
          • if I am doing a manual virus scan of my machine, the minute the scan starts, dw becomes locked up and the GUI refuses to redraw and it might even say (not responding).

          periodically for some unknown reason, (seems to be ANY disk accesses by some background app?) usually dw freezes during that time for about 5 minutes after the disk access is over.  a few times it is shorter, but not usually.

           

          What Anti-Virus program?  How much memory is in your system and how much is free before the start of the scan?

           

          • in all the dw cs5 built-in templates, charset for UTF-8 (should be upper case to meet w3c validation) is in as utf-8.

            • <script></ doesn't close the tag with html5 pack.  neither does anything with SVG or MathML, which are part of HTML5.

           

          This problem looks to be fixed in later releases.  You might be able to update the template but hard to say.

           

          • the full set of modules for css3 and css2.1 are not supported in the HTML5 pack.  I would like to do browser testing.  I would also like to future-proof my investment!  don't just do the minimums.
          • the full set of HTML5 tags, attributes, input element types according to the w3c standard are not included in Insert, tag portion of the menu in the HTML5 pack.

           

          This I will confirm.  But it is Adobe's argument for the Creative Cloud about providing updates on a more regular basis by moving to a subscription model.  Only way you are going to see more updates is to upgrade more often or move to the Cloud.

           

          there needs to be a fixed refresh button for reinterpreting code/code+design/design view when changes have been made and something goes wrong like a redraw failure, or for when a problem has been fixed and you would like to see if dw sees any broken tags left.

          Not sure I understand what you are asking to be refreshed.  You can refresh the Live View but what is not refreshing Design View?

           

          I don't understand enough javascript to discuss the js syntax highlighting you are expecting.

          • 2. Re: dw cs5 (not responding) for 5 minutes or more, other problems
            jmichae1 Community Member

            ANY antivirus, such as mcafee.  I have a 32-bit system. at the time I had 3GB RAM when doing the scans.  right now I have 11GB of VM over 2 drives.

             

            yay on the UTF-8. I wish they would fix it in adobe labs html pack because us CS5 folk need that fix.  hello???  I hope I didn't spend $2800 for a paperweight.

            update it? just tell me how...

             

            too many clouds and not enough hard dirt we can work with. cloud costs more money than wtuff without it. I can't spend my hard earned money on cloud stuff.  I think "the cloud" is highly overrated.  expensive during these times.

             

            whatever happened to updates? I thought that was a part of the product?  I have sent in huge quantities of valid buig reports on cs5 and gotten back maybe 1-2 total adobe updates, and no fixes for any of the things I reported. maybe adobe ignores their wishform?  sometimes, because of the unusability of dw, I have to break out notepad++. sigh.

            • 3. Re: dw cs5 (not responding) for 5 minutes or more, other problems
              jmichae1 Community Member

              I was told that the random 5-minute hangs are actually a "feature". has something to do with dw detecting whether a file it has open is opened by something else or not.  this is not the behavior I am seeing.  the behavior I am seeing is that if ANY file is open in cs5 4993 or even earlier, this causes dw tohang for as long as the program is opening files (such as an antivirus opening files to check signatures).  this irks me and makes dw freeze and its GUI not redraw during that time.  oftentimes there is no dialog ythat comes up saying that there is file access like there is at sometimes, so behavior is not consistent.

               

              what I would like to see is that at least some filepath detection, AND, maybe one of two things:

              • detection if opened file by another program is one of the opened files currently in dw (best)
              • detection if opened file by another program is somewhere under the current site root OR in one of the opened files in dw (they can possibly be outide the site as I often do)

               

              and if it is not one of the above 2 things, totally ignore and don't hang.

              • 4. Re: dw cs5 (not responding) for 5 minutes or more, other problems
                Nancy O. MVP

                McAfee & Norton are notorious resource hogs. It doesn't matter how much memory you have, they will take over your computer. And they frequently cause other apps to slow down or stop responding until the AV finishes whatever it's doing.   I got so annoyed with the top AVs that I actually considered not using any at all.  Finally downloaded MS Security Essentials.  It's great! No more intrusions or memory leaks.

                 

                 I think "the cloud" is highly overrated.  expensive during these times.
                

                 

                Initially I thought so too, but on closer look, Creative Cloud looks more like a win, win for multiple product users. Where else can you find 17 products for the intro price of  $29.99/month?

                http://9to5mac.com/2012/04/23/adobe-officially-launches-cs6-suite-offe rs-30month-introductory-pricing-on-creative-cloud/

                 

                Feel free to post your feature requests below:

                https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

                 

                 

                 

                 

                Nancy O.

                Alt-Web Design & Publishing

                Web | Graphics | Print | Media  Specialists 

                http://alt-web.com/

                • 5. Re: dw cs5 (not responding) for 5 minutes or more, other problems
                  jmichae1 Community Member

                  just saw this.  apparently XHTML5 is not offered in the html5 pack either.

                  http://html5doctor.com/html-5-xml-xhtml-5/

                   

                  I was hoping to use this right now in another test document.

                  • 6. Re: dw cs5 (not responding) for 5 minutes or more, other problems
                    jmichae1 Community Member

                    17 products?  is that master collection? I know I won't be able to afford it right now.  I will think about a subscription, but I don't likew the idea that if I can't pay one particular month, I will lose the entire package, my settings, my environment, etc. and I don't like setting things up from scratch over and over. on the plus side, it's a nice price though.

                     

                    I only do manual scans with mcafee. I noticed it always breaks during the scan of 1.68TB of data.  I hope they fix it.  that's another discussion.

                    the issue isn't mcafee.  it's dreamweaver I am having trouble with.  I expect a slowdown, and yes I see that during the scan, and this is not too much of a problem (it's manageable).  but when an application locks up totally THEN I have a problem.  don't shift blame here.  as an software developer and software tester, I know a problem when I see it.

                    and this is a problem with dreamweaver ONLY.  I have 200+ apps installed on my machine and this is the only app that does this.

                     

                    by the way, the difference in the algorithm I *think* between dw's tag checker, and my algorithm is this:  to check for orphaned tags, you do this: when you have reached the end of the document, and you have eaten all the tag tokens, check to see if there is anything left on the stack.  if there is, DON'T throw it away.  that is your orphans list.  those need to be flagged in yellow.

                     

                    I would like to see that fixed in cs5, please, if possible.  it should be a fairly minor change in code. and you will have VERY USEFUL results, (people will love you for it!)

                    as things stand now, dw only highlights the *surrounding* tags that have the problem.  not the tags that have the problem.

                    • 7. Re: dw cs5 (not responding) for 5 minutes or more, other problems
                      Nancy O. MVP
                      I would like to see that fixed in cs5, please, if possible.  it should be a fairly minor change in code. and you will have VERY USEFUL results, (people will love you for it!)

                      as things stand now, dw only highlights the *surrounding* tags that have the problem.  not the tags that have the problem.

                       

                      This is a user-to-user forum.  Adobe engineers don't read these posts.  It's highly unlikely that Adobe will make further improvements to an old product given that CS6 is due out this week.  If you have a bug or feature request, please submit via the link below.   Your suggestions probably won't make it into CS5 or even CS6 but may surface in some future release.

                       

                      Bug Report & Feature Request Form

                      https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

                      but when an application locks up totally THEN I have a problem.  don't shift blame here.  as an software developer and software tester, I know a problem when I see it.  and this is a problem with dreamweaver ONLY. 

                      Not shifting blame here.  I can sympathize.  Several people have reported unacceptable lock-ups which appears to be caused by Facebook code. 

                      http://forums.adobe.com/message/4363712#4363712

                      You might try disabling "Display External Files" from your View Menu.  

                       

                       

                      Good luck,

                       

                       

                       

                      Nancy O.

                      Alt-Web Design & Publishing

                      Web | Graphics | Print | Media  Specialists 

                      http://alt-web.com/

                      http://twitter.com/altweb

                      http://alt-web.blogspot.com/

                      • 8. Re: dw cs5 (not responding) for 5 minutes or more, other problems
                        jmichae1 Community Member

                        I don't have facebook anymore for security reasons.  so this is not the problem.  what exactly is "display external fies"?

                        I searched dreamweaver help for "display external files" and found the articles I think you may be referring to, but I have windows. http://helpx.adobe.com/dreamweaver/kb/dreamweaver-cs3-performance-problems-mac.html

                         

                        thanks for the tip.

                         

                        I get these temporary hangs when I just am typing html in code view.

                        not very often does my stuff contain images.  but I will check to see if it does and watch for this behavior and see what kind of code I have which might be causing this problem.  apparently this is something I need to bring up to support - and pay to get support to report a bug in their product. :-(  this is so wrong.

                        • 9. Re: dw cs5 (not responding) for 5 minutes or more, other problems
                          jmichae1 Community Member

                          I will have to try rosetta mode if it's there is windows.

                          • 10. Re: dw cs5 (not responding) for 5 minutes or more, other problems
                            bmurr22 MVP

                            jmichae1 wrote:

                             

                            I will have to try rosetta mode if it's there is windows.

                             

                            There is no Rosetta mode in Windows.  Just modifying that setting may be what Nancy was referring to.  The Facebook code is not what you are referring to.  Nancy is referring to hosted applications for Facebook that you can develop in DW.

                             

                            And just to clarify my point from earlier, the point of the Cloud per some of Adobe's influential staff is to be able to push out updates more frequently.  As David stated in another post it has to do with tax-laws and regulations about recognizing income.  But Lifehacker actually did its own study and found that if you upgrade every version it is cheaper than paying $600/yr for the Cloud.  And I share the doubt with you that going to the Cloud only makes sense if Adobe shows an act of good faith with some updates.  I remember updating to CS5 to fix a bug in the color picker of all things.

                             

                            To your XHTML5 comment, I didn't think XHTML5 was being actively developed anymore.  HTML5 is capable of XML serialization.  If you have news to add here please feel free.

                             

                            Maybe the next step here is showing us a document that is hanging up to try and reproduce the error for you.  As a software developer you can respect that Adobe will be more likely to fix issues that are experienced by the most users and are reproduceable. 

                            • 11. Re: dw cs5 (not responding) for 5 minutes or more, other problems
                              jmichae1 Community Member

                              ahh - silly me - I should have read that article a little closer.  of course it's mac specific!  rosetta must be some mac-specific thing in the finder or something. (?) 

                              • 12. Re: dw cs5 (not responding) for 5 minutes or more, other problems
                                jmichae1 Community Member

                                actually XHTML5 is same standards document as HTML5, but XHTML 2 was dropped. see how to make an XHTML5 document at http://Jesusnjim.com/web-design/create-XHTML5-Document.html