23 Replies Latest reply: Aug 12, 2015 1:24 PM by thomasc11484006 RSS

    Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.

    MixManSC1 Community Member

      Make working with large format designs at 1:1 possible. In other words add a size function for the canvas to be scaled beyond 227 inches. Of course this would allow scaling the artboards beyond that size as well. Not sure if there woudl be implications to allowing it to be unlimited. Us large format print and design companies are annoyed at this daily. Vehicle template packages are at 1/20th scale. Finish the design for the 54 foot trailer and ready to print, scale 2000%. Nope sorry, cant do that. Export the file and open it in some other vector app for the final scaling then export from that to the RIP.

       

      Was really hoping to see this in CS6. Sadly not happening.

        • 1. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
          Gustavo Del Vechio Community Member

          Hi MaxManSC1

           

          Do you think it´s necessary, in a vector software, to create a project bigger than 227 inches?

           

          If you create a project using a smaller size and this size is proportional to the final big size..then when printing you can reach thos big size you want. For example, in the Illustrator Print Dialog Box...you can set custom media size up to 25000 inches..fit the artwork to page and print directly or print to PDF.

           

          But you can even leave this adjustment to the printer RIP so it can handle according it´s output specifications. Since the project is vector based you wont lose quality when increasing the size.

           

          Does it suit your need?

           

          Best Regards

          Gustavo.

          • 2. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
            MixManSC1 Community Member

            While I do agree there are workarounds. What is the need to work at small scale though? Why not 1:1 full scale? This assures greater accuracy and eliminates any question of myself or one of my employees scaling something to the wrong percentage or havign to calculate things. Some design elements are also just flat out easier to work on when they are much larger such as fine adjustments of points. When a peice of artwork is a could of inches across or less it gets more diffucult to select fine details when you are already at max zoon and the details are small. If the arwork is larger, max zoom becomes much more effective on fine details. Also if there happens to be placed raster artwork, if at full size and 100% zoom, you immediatley know how it looks at full size. If it's scaled you will not really know for sure until the raster elements are rendered at their final full output size.

             

            I guess my point is why not allow it? Also - not all RIP's are created equal. Some cannot very well cope with scaling some vector effects. Seems best to let the native application do any modifications (scaling included) to the artwork versus some other program that may or may not do it quite as well.

            • 3. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
              Glen Charles Rowell Community Member

              Are you using Illustrator for floor plans? I tried drawing a few once but the line and shape tools didn't refresh the background when scrolling which makes using Illustrator really annoying. Illustrator CS6 still has the same problem as in CS3, CS4 and CS5. When I heard they remade everything I was looking forward to using the line and shape tools again but nothing has changed yet. Please fix Illustrator CS6 Adobe.

               

              http://a4jp.com/design/3443.html

               

              Glen

               

              PS The pen tool doesn't have this problem but only the control points scroll the screen (*The refresh works here though).

              • 4. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                MixManSC1 Community Member

                While I agree that the line/shape tools not refreshing the screen while scolling is also highly annoying at times I do not see how that issue is in any way even remotely related to the feature request of an expanded canvas and artboard. Maybe starting a different feature request or bug report thread on that would get that issue more attention Glen.

                • 5. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                  vrtx Community Member

                  I'm having the same problem. i have no intention to print, i just want to make a 1:1 scale floor plan of my office so we can easily design. I could just scale it down and convert feet to inches, but that's a lot of unnecessary math! I find it strange that i cant just have 1 inch equal 1 inch. how do interior designers work? do they use a different program? i decided just to open Cinema 4D and work from there since it allows me what ever size i want.

                  • 6. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                    Doug.S Community Member

                    Perhaps the "answers" lie in a need to be able to use a "scale the drawing" tool?

                     

                    Perhaps the real limitation is math needed for ability to zoom-in deeper?  (I don't think so)

                     

                    And of course if one mixes in any pixel/bitmap features, artboard size makes more sense as pixels don't resize well to a larger image like vectors; so scaling with pixels involved may create problems?  (They can be addressed)

                     

                    I'm not trying to explain away why Adobe does not do any of the requests in this thread....because it can all be done in this day/age of higher performing CPU's and GPU's and HDDs and GB's of RAM and screen resolution. We are no longer in the days of DOS and 1980's....and the coding is not very difficult either now.

                     

                    Most request "can" be done, it is whether Adobe thinks it is needed for their customers...who are asking for it here. C'mon Adobe listen and do....please.

                    • 7. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                      rossul Community Member

                      +1. Yes we need to lift this silly limitation. We use AI for US and we currently we hit the limits at ~60 screens, which is nothing for a CRM software. Add on top of that variations of the same screen.

                      Scaling doesn't work. We need rules, units and the pixel grid to act normaly, not to mention Align to Pixel...

                      • 9. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                        gubaba Community Member

                        Agreed with MixManSC1. Please adobe, allow 1:1 scale. Us large format designers are really frustrated with this maximum artboard size limit in illustrator. I work with billboards and large scale environmental graphics and hate dealing with printing errors when printers accidentally scale artwork incorrectly (not to mention the maths involved).

                        • 10. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                          Meegah Community Member

                          You dont ever do 1:1 scale architectural drawings unless its for parts design. Otherwise most programs, including the all powerful AutoCAD will lag and crash. I have never as a Landscape or Interiors designer used Illustrator or InDesign for architectural drawing unless as a client presentation on scaled down poster presentations.

                          • 11. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                            Meegah Community Member

                            I feel the same way about billboard design, vector is scalable, but i just want to know how to set it up for optimum results. As powerful as my computer is, im not going to force it to render 1:1 scale. Its ludicrous and unnecessary. If you are that keen, design it on multiple boards or go hand do it, that's how silly the idea of 1:1 is.

                            • 12. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                              phxl Community Member

                              I am in the sign industry and while most of what I do can be done 1:1, larger projects require scaling. Yes there are work-a-rounds, but the bottom line is that in this day and age I find no practical reason for this limitation.

                              • 13. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                Glen Charles Rowell Community Member

                                It would just be nice if the software got updated like the company promised personally to me. I was told and promised to that there would be some updates to bugs but I'm still waiting. I hope it wasn't just lies. I trust Adobe is still working on the bugs.

                                • 14. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                  InvokeDesign Community Member

                                  I also hit the ceiling here, and wish I could go bigger. I'm designing 300dpi wall-coverings, and some walls are big. Yes, I can design at half scale.. but why MUST I?

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                                    vrangel3 Community Member

                                    The limitation of 227 inches is annoying! And why 227 inches? Why not 225 or 230 LOL. So freaking random. Anyway, I am an artist that does large scale murals and paintings and it would help to scale in real world. I have done the ratio conversion of 1/6, 1/4, and 1/2 scale YES I can do it but I find myself worrying about the accuracy rather than the design. and I have gotten burned by my own mishap calculations. Some artist are not very good with math such as myself. Go ahead and call me stupid for not understanding basic math , (I don't care) but the reality is that some of us cringe at calculating ratios!.....

                                     

                                    In 93 at work I had almost run out of storage space and was asking for more Gigs. I had an computer engineer tell me that I should never use more than 3 Gigs in my life time on my PC. That the problem was I should manage my file sizes in a better way. "You artist don't understand HOW big a Gig is." he stated. I believed him because he was a computer engineer even though my gut told me otherwise. Occasionally I talk to him and sometimes remind him of 1993. He grumbles and changes the subject.

                                    • 16. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                      Qwertyfly... Community Member

                                      And why 227 inches? Why not 225 or 230 LOL.

                                      its not 227 inches.

                                       

                                      I think you will find its 16384px

                                      16384px / 72 = 227.55555......

                                       

                                      and why 16384px?

                                      my guess would be something to do with the following sequence.

                                       

                                      4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, 2048, 4096, 8192, 16384, ....

                                       

                                      on that note, I still have no idea why we can't just go to the next number in the sequence.

                                      • 17. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                        Qwertyfly... Community Member

                                        my bad...

                                         

                                        its 16383px

                                        227.541666 inches

                                        • 18. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                          Doug.S Community Member

                                          Use a scale of 1/10....easy to calc (move decimal one place) and any error shows as a BIG mistake so easy to catch

                                           

                                          Works for all vector stuff....not so well for bitmap stuff

                                          • 19. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                            billygunn1111 Community Member

                                            I agree, my team converts large plot plans CADs in to AI for oil refineries with lots of detail and we need a much bigger artboard.  It seems silly that there is this restriction.

                                            We have to create several artboards and then stitch it back together in Photoshop for the diagram.  It is a really inconvenient way to work and we would like to see this restriction lifted soon.

                                            • 20. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                              Tomy-rex Community Member

                                              i agree, we want the option to edit the artboard size...    when creating wallpaper that is several metres wide and tall, it is impossible to get it on Illustrator.  Course, Adobe doesn't really care about that what their customers think, they just worry about trying to look good, and if they can't look good then they don't seem to want to get involved....  so probably not a lot of chance any of the staff will be getting involved in this discussion, i suppose, let alone getting anything changed - even though this thread was started in early 2012!!!

                                               

                                              I've been thinking about getting our software guys to decompile the software and change it manually, i'm sure there must be a way to do it somehow.   Would make it a lot easier if Adobe just responded to their customers though, and even if they can't do something, they could at least explain WHY they can't do something...   instead there is this dire silence from the Adobe quarters, and as usual nothing happens.  I found a bug a while back and got Adobe on the phone and went through it and they couldnt't be bothered to try and fix it, they just showed me a different way to get a similar result.

                                               

                                              seems such a small thing yet it makes the whole of Adobe look bad, even though it may be just one person not doing their job

                                              • 21. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                                bsbeamer Community Member

                                                Interestingly, I just found this thread when reporting on an issue I'm experiencing when trying to animate large size Illustrator artwork within After Effects CC 2015.  AE CC 2015 is chopping the edges off of an AI CC 2015 file and the 227x227 limitation could be a contributing factor.  If I could "expand" the canvas and artboard size to 250x250, maybe the edges wouldn't be cut off?  (This file only has 1 artboard and it's maxed at canvas size.)

                                                 

                                                There are workarounds to this issue, but they all involve breaking apart the artwork and re-creating within AE to some extent.

                                                • 22. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                                  Yakora Community Member

                                                  I'd like to see an option to increase the canvas size, I work with the large files at times and this can get pretty bloody annoying to work at 50% or 10% of full size... Getting team members to remember, or to read notes at the RIP to enlarge has caused problems in the past. I'd be happy if the Canvas size doubled or even tripled its current size, even if this was option when creating a new document. Just a thought.

                                                  • 23. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                                    thomasc11484006 Community Member

                                                    I agree. This is a feature I would love to see too. I am doing landscape design. Another option would be a calculator tool that would display your lines and objects into whichever conversion you want (i.e. 1 inch of artboard displays 8 feet in the calculator tool).