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      • 160. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
        SteveG(AudioMasters) Adobe Community Professional

        mindabuse wrote:

         

        I do apologize if my perspective might sound harsh, but are they not true? As hilarious as it sounds, you could probably say I'm venting through some stages of greif... ; )

        Well, they're true perhaps from your perspective, but that doesn't necessarily make them 'true', does it?

         

        For instance:

         

        Audition 5 will likely be minor -- given that 4 has only been out 9 months, and it sounds like CS6 is coming out in the first half of this year which leaves Audition 4 being barely 1 year old before another release?

         

         

        Because CS5.5 as a basic release has been technically successful, development has been able to continue, rather than a lot of remedial work being done. So if you consider it like that, it might look somewhat different, perhaps? That's from my perspective as a beta tester....

        • 161. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
          tilted lab

          Despite all the mystery about AAx.x  I’m curious as to the future what with all the cutbacks at Adobe, will AAx.x ever survive?

          • 162. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
            SteveG(AudioMasters) Adobe Community Professional

            Adobe have always said that if development on Audition was ever going to stop, they'd tell us directly. And they haven't - yet....

            • 163. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
              P_Forrest Level 1

              And since it was just added to Production Premium CS 5.5 suite,  I would assume it will be around awhile.   I'll be upgrading to the CS6 suite in May 2012, mostly for any improvements in Audition and not the other products.

               

              I rather like it, after having been a Cakewalk/Sonar user since 1999.   Yeah, Audi CS5.5 is a cut-down version but I'm warming up to it.  But will Audi CS5.5 handle the speeds on the German Autobahn?  ;-)  hehe

               

              cheerio,

               

              Petey

              • 164. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                Bob Howes Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                Bump to put this on page one...as yet another post has been made this would be relevant for.

                • 165. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                  Jim_Bonds

                  Durin,

                   

                  First, a tremendous applause on the development of a Mac OS X compatible Audition.  I've been using Audition since 1.5 and love it.  I've recently switched to Mac so the new version is wonderful news.  Unfortunately I have one requirement that is absolutely critical to me that has not yet been met.  I desperately hope that it can be met in CS 6.

                   

                  In older versions of Audition I could time stretch a clip (not the full track, just the clip) in multitrack view.  This allowed me to take a small clip maybe 2 to 4 measures long and visually time stretch it to match another clip.  Once the timing was correct I could then grab the clip boundary and extend it to play more of the track.  This is absolutely critical to me.  There are times when I need to a) beat match tracks that are so far apart they cannot be matched on turntables, and b) match an a capella to an instrumental.

                   

                  CS 5.5 only allows time stretch by numerical input (i.e. percentage or duration change).  The afformentioned tasks require a more visual/less exact approach.  Unfortunately, until this requirment is met I will be stuck running Audition 3 in a Windows virtual machine using VMware Fusion on my Mac.  Needless to say this is a less than desirable solution.  I really hope the Audition team can resolve this as Audition has been the heart and soul of my studio for years.

                  • 166. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                    _durin_ Adobe Employee

                    Hi Jim,

                     

                    Thanks for the feedback and specific use cases.  While I can't yet announce which specific features and functionality will be in Audition CS 6, I might be able to suggest downloading the trial edition when it's released in a few months.  You're very likely to be satisfied.  Once Creative Suite 6 has been announced, I'll be able to discuss the new and returning features and improvements.

                     

                    Durin

                    • 167. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                      Lowe-Fi

                      One word: ReWire.

                      • 168. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                        nowuc01oio1010

                        Thank you Durin.

                         

                        Hopefully Scalable Fonts are now included.

                        • 169. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                          gittargary

                          I am having trouble getting information about using superior drummer with my AU 3      what other software drum will work in AU 3??? I really like superior drummer...

                          • 170. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                            SuiteSpot Level 4

                            EZDrummer works fine with AU3 - can't imagine why Superior Drummer would be any different

                            Either way this post should be over in the AU3 section rather than the CS5.5 one.

                            • 171. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                              Lowe-Fi Level 1

                              Good morning, Durin. First off, I want to thank you for all the attention these issues have been given. Good job! Second, an apology. I have told you about my gripes with the lack of ReWire/MIDI/Sync control, but I have failed to say that I love everything else. Sounds great, has never crashed, looks great, works great with Premiere, no hiccups. Great job, just need to sync up to my music production software! Pleeeeeeese

                              • 172. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                sikter

                                I can confirm that AA3,0 works with Addictive drums too. I found that midi editing in Adobe audition wasn't that smooth og that's why I do any midi work in other software. Maybe I gave up too early.

                                Before that I tested many VSTi instruments in Audition 3,0. Most of them worked fine.

                                • 173. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                  Mark Wheeler Level 1

                                  Audition CS6 is now out the door. This release addresses many longstanding customer requests and includes some really impressive new features (Spectral Pitch Display, Automatic Speech Alignment, and Effects Side-Chaining to name a few).

                                   

                                  Here's a high-level list of new features.

                                   

                                  And here are details about where to find new functionality in the app.

                                  • 174. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                    Inity Arts & Music

                                    I'm becoming hopeful, but cautious before I get excited again...

                                     

                                    Few question about Audition CS6 just to see what's there and what isn't yet (or may never come back). I can certainly live without some of them, but I'd feedback on each of these former features:

                                    1. Is there midi instrument capabilities (midi tracks)?

                                    2. DirectX Plugins?

                                    3. Looping (particularly loops that adjust to session tempo)?

                                    4. Rejoining split clips

                                    5. The various effects mentioned here: http://helpx.adobe.com/audition/kb/features-replaced-implemented-audition-cs5.html - Any of them back with this release?

                                    6. Can I open an AA3 session (or an export of it) without losing effects and looping?

                                     

                                    That's all that comes to mind right now. How are these few things in CS6?

                                     

                                    Also, am I still able to upgrade from AA3 for $99? With 5.5 having been useless for me, I'm hoping that if this version is effective in doing what I need it to I'll be able to upgrade from my last useful purchase.

                                     

                                    Thanks in advance for your reply!

                                    • 175. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                      Xav8tor

                                      Having used CE Pro and Audition for longer than I can remember, while I am impressed with the new interface of 5.5/6, I mourn the loss of numerous features I used every single day.  Scientifc filters?  Gone!  Yes, there is a workaround, but it is far from being efficient.  Now I see that control over all color aspects is gone from the spectral display.  Anyone using spectrograms extensively understands the importance of user control over spectral settings.  Will this return or is this yet another former feature that is dust in the wind?  There is a similar post on the feature request forum with no response.

                                      • 176. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                        Kost7 Level 1

                                        Unfortunetly no MIDI, no DirectX. For opening AA3 sessions you need to convert them with ses2sesx ( http://www.aatranslator.com.au/ses2sesx.html )

                                        • 177. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                          SteveG(AudioMasters) Adobe Community Professional

                                          Xav8tor wrote:

                                           

                                          Having used CE Pro and Audition for longer than I can remember, while I am impressed with the new interface of 5.5/6, I mourn the loss of numerous features I used every single day.  Scientifc filters?  Gone!  Yes, there is a workaround, but it is far from being efficient.  Now I see that control over all color aspects is gone from the spectral display.  Anyone using spectrograms extensively understands the importance of user control over spectral settings.  Will this return or is this yet another former feature that is dust in the wind?  There is a similar post on the feature request forum with no response.

                                          Some of these features aren't 'lost' - they just aren't implemented yet, for reasons thoroughly discussed elsewhere. I must admit though that the inflexibility with the way things are displayed does seem to be something of an ongoing issue... and I agree about the spectral options entirely. I'm not exactly a huge fan of varying shades of grey either, come to that, but I can live with it.

                                           

                                          Kost7, as you are no doubt aware, DirectX is a victim of not being Mac compatible. Since the idea is to make the program functionally (although not quite operationally, I believe) identical on both platforms, it had to go. So unless you can persuade Apple to implement a Windows plugin feature in their OS , I think that DirectX really has gone permanently.

                                          • 178. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                            ryclark Adobe Community Professional

                                            But on a Windows PC DX effects can possibly used in a VST host like Chainer.

                                            • 179. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                              _durin_ Adobe Employee

                                              DirectX plugins have also been largely abandoned by plugin manufacturers and Microsoft.  When prepping 5.5 we had a hard time finding any recent Dx plugins that had been released.  While the cross-platform issue isn't that big a deal, Audio Units were far simpler to implement without needing to stuff a bunch of additional libraries, licensing, and testing impact into the release.  Another, likely more controversial point, is that the research we have implies very few users are actually using DirectX plugins.  Again, features for a handful of Audition users isn't necessarily something we've ever shied away from, but it's something we really havent had the bandwidth to tackle the last few releases. 

                                               

                                              I can't promise it will return, but I'll put a request in the backlog.  Perhaps one of our developers will have some old plugin they want to use again and implement it over some weekend.  ;)

                                              • 180. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                Inity Arts & Music Level 1

                                                Hi Durin,

                                                 

                                                Would you be able to answer the other questions I posted above yesterday? Thanks in advance.

                                                • 181. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                  Ron_Day Adobe Employee

                                                  Durin may go into more detail for you on each of these items, but please take a look at the followng link to see a feature comparison for each version:

                                                  http://www.adobe.com/products/audition/buying-guide-version-comparison.html

                                                   

                                                  You can also try the demo of Audition CS6 for 30 days before deciding if it's worth it for you to upgrade in your specific situation.

                                                   

                                                  While advanced looping, re-joining split clips and additional cross-platform effects are still high on our list for future versions, we were not able to implement them in CS6.

                                                  Durin already explained the DirectX situation above and MIDI has been debated on other threads. Neither of these features were re-implemented in CS6.

                                                   

                                                  As for the pricing, the upgrade from Audition 3 to CS6 is $149.

                                                   

                                                  Thanks,

                                                  --Ron

                                                  • 182. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                    _durin_ Adobe Employee

                                                    sure.  There were already some answered by others, so I held back.

                                                     

                                                    1. Is there midi instrument capabilities (midi tracks)?

                                                      No.  A explained in other threads, MIDI composition has never been a core competency of Audition and I was not happy with our implementation in Au3.  If we decide to tackle this again in a future release, I will insist we either build a robust solution, or a unique tool that is not available in other applications and which is more appropriate for Auditions "multitrack recorder" style of workflow.

                                                     

                                                    2. DirectX Plugins?

                                                    Also discussed in another thread, but DirectX plugin support has been largely abandoned by Microsoft and plugin manufacturers in favor of VST and Audio Units.  We've focused on ensuring we can provide the best support for these active formats.

                                                     

                                                    3. Looping (particularly loops that adjust to session tempo)?

                                                    The more advanced looping features remain in our feature backlog, and I've been pushing to keep these near the top half of the list.  CS6 makes stretching loops to a particular beat length simpler with real time clip stretch and snapping, but it does not yet automatically retime loops to match any arbitrary tempo.

                                                     

                                                    4. Rejoining split clips

                                                    Not in CS6, but also high in my own want list for the next release.

                                                     

                                                    5. The various effects mentioned here: http://helpx.adobe.com/audition/kb/features-replaced-implemented-audit ion-cs5.html - Any of them back with this release?

                                                    The following Audition 3 effects have not yet been directly ported in CS6, though some may be available through new tools:

                                                    Scientific Filter

                                                    Generate Noise

                                                    DTMF Signals.  (This can be accomplished manually within Generate Tones, to some degree)

                                                    Pitch Bender

                                                    Stereo Field Rotate

                                                    Stereo Expander

                                                    Pan/Expand

                                                    Graphic Panner

                                                    Binaural Auto-Panner

                                                    Convolution

                                                    Dynamic EQ

                                                    Quick Filter

                                                    Scientific Filter

                                                    Dynamic Delay

                                                    Echo Chamber

                                                    Multitap Delay

                                                    Envelope Follower

                                                    Frequency Band Splitter

                                                    Vocoder

                                                     

                                                    6. Can I open an AA3 session (or an export of it) without losing effects and looping?

                                                    The Au3 XML session import addresses looping and directly mappable parameters.  A free tool provided by several of the active forum users here enables batch conversion of almost every session file from CEP1.0 through Au3 and handles a significant amount of remapping and third party effect conversion is available from http://www.aatranslator.com.au/ses2sesx.html

                                                    • 183. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                      Lowe-Fi Level 1

                                                      Sooooo..... Still no ReWire or any Midi. Should I finally abandon Adobe and move on to greener pastures? To re-state my aggrivation: Adobe states that Audition is not a music production software. I have no problem with that. HOWEVER, Audition provides me with no way to sync up to my music production software. Silly.

                                                      • 184. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                        Inity Arts & Music Level 1

                                                        Awesome. Thank you Durin, and thank you Ron. That comparison list is perfect. Makes it a lot easier to see exactly what's different. And Durin, knowing that the couple unimplemented features that are high on my list are also high on yours is a little reassuring. It's a shame to see that my priorities with the included effects seem to be the polar opposite of you guys (I do a lot of dub, so echos and delays are top of my list. Plus some of the multitrack effects are useful at times.), but effects aren't the most important aspects.

                                                         

                                                        It seems overall, the most important missing elements in 5.5 (clip grouping, metronome, controller, etc) have been reintroduced. I'm gonna take to the trial version first, but I think it may actually now be beneficial for me to upgrade from 3.0, which is good to see!

                                                         

                                                        Thanks for the info, guys!

                                                        • 185. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                          Teetow1

                                                          Lowe-Fi wrote:

                                                           

                                                          Sooooo..... Still no ReWire or any Midi. Should I finally abandon Adobe and move on to greener pastures? To re-state my aggrivation: Adobe states that Audition is not a music production software. I have no problem with that. HOWEVER, Audition provides me with no way to sync up to my music production software. Silly.

                                                          While, as a sound designer, I jump back and forth between Audition and Vegas on an hourly basis, I can't say I see the same need when I'm composing music. Just curious about your workflow here -- what aspects of Audition are you looking to utilize in music production, and how would you go about it? If Audition doesn't feature a sequencer component, what would be on your wish list?

                                                           

                                                          I'm asking, since I consider DAW:s like Cubase or Ableton Live to be more of a "cauldron" -- you pour stuff in, but you don't really take anything out except the finished meal.

                                                          • 186. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                            Burnyno Level 1

                                                            Nice upgrade but steel missing Rewire or midi sequencer.

                                                            • 187. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                              Paul_Ferguson Level 2

                                                              Durin has previously listed the scientific group you identify as one of the user bases, so he knows about it.  As for the features you list in your post above, this would be an excellent time to make a formal request for their inclusion in 7 in the Feature Request Forum, because the team is getting ideas together for the next release.  You can reach it by clicking on the 'Audition' link at the top of this page, which will then display a menu containing the Feature Request Forum.  I've found this development team to be receptive to feature requests that are:

                                                               

                                                              * popular

                                                               

                                                              * likely to be sustainable in the future

                                                              • 188. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                Michael Putrino

                                                                Has the manual edit of individual samples been added to CS6?

                                                                 

                                                                 

                                                                I just used this in Audition 3.0 (not avaialable in CS5.5) in a recent mastering session where a clinent must have abutted takes when comping. Since the abuttment wasn't on a zero-crossing it caused a glitch (pop) in the mix that was not easy to fix...other than to manually edit a bunch of individual samples to smooth out the signal...which worked great, by the way...

                                                                 

                                                                If manual sample edit is not available in CS6, please add it to CS7.

                                                                 

                                                                Thanks,

                                                                Michal Putrino

                                                                Mastering Engineer

                                                                Austin, TX

                                                                • 189. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                  MusicConductor Level 3

                                                                  No, unfortunately this is not back, nor is the ability to right-click-and-drag on the amplitude scale to zoom in on any portion of the amplitude range.  Both are important for restoration and mastering troubleshooting, so I agree seeing this -- eventually -- would be really helpful.

                                                                  • 190. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                    ryclark Adobe Community Professional

                                                                    Michael Putrino wrote:

                                                                     

                                                                    Has the manual edit of individual samples been added to CS6?

                                                                     

                                                                     

                                                                    I just used this in Audition 3.0 (not avaialable in CS5.5) in a recent mastering session where a clinent must have abutted takes when comping. Since the abuttment wasn't on a zero-crossing it caused a glitch (pop) in the mix that was not easy to fix...other than to manually edit a bunch of individual samples to smooth out the signal...which worked great, by the way...

                                                                     

                                                                    Does not the Auto Heal Selection work across a few samples to sort out those sort of problems? It is easily available via a keyboard shortcut in Favorites.

                                                                    • 192. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                      MusicConductor Level 3

                                                                      therealdobro wrote:

                                                                       

                                                                      Dumb.

                                                                      Wha... huh?  Sorry, was daydreaming.  You talkin to me here?

                                                                      • 193. Re: Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition
                                                                        Paul_Ferguson Level 2

                                                                        Gee, I've done it again!  No, not you.  Me.  The 'dumb' comment was being applied to myself for having responded to an old post.  I think I'll just crawl into a hole. 

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