25 Replies Latest reply: May 30, 2012 7:01 PM by Bill Gehrke RSS

    Video Card--Acceleration--CUDA

    kdoc2 Community Member

      With Premier Pro CS5, I had gotten software and hardware acceleration by changing the text file. "cuda-supported_cards.txt" and adding my Nvidia "GeForce GTX 260" to the list. In Premier Pro CS6, this doesn't work, and I get neither form of acceleration. On the other hand, the system does seem to play well and, when tested, to render a segment quickly. (Though it doesn't seem to allow changing the effects settings while playing). So, my questions:

       

      1. Is there a way to get that video card to be recognized? Another hack?

      2. Do I even need the CUDA etc. if things work relatively well?

      3. Were I to buy a card, keeping expenses down (non-professional use), which is a reasonable cost-effective yet still quite useable one? I've heard the GeForce 570 2 GB is a possibility?

       

      Thank you

       

      kdoc

        • 1. Re: Video Card--Acceleration--CUDA
          J. Simon Community Member

          The hack works the same on CS6.  Not sure why it didn't for you.

          • 2. Re: Video Card--Acceleration--CUDA
            jstrawn Adobe Employee

            1. To use the Mercury Playback Engine with full support in CS6, you'll need a Quadro Card, and of course the most up-to-date driver installed for it:

            http://www.nvidia.com/object/premiere-pro-cs6.html

            2. No, if you're happy with your current playbcak then just ignore the 'previously edited in mercury...' warning when opening your olde cuda-enable prjects from SC5.n

            3. I'm not sure, I'll leave that up to our fellow consumers.

            • 3. Re: Video Card--Acceleration--CUDA
              John T Smith MVP

              I don't have a link handy, but I believe I read somewhere that CS6 is "enough" changed that an nVidia driver that worked with CS5/CS5.5 may not work with CS6... meaning you need to update your nVidia driver

               

              I've seen mention that the current driver (for Windows ???) is 296."something" (can't remember the exact number... go to nVidia and check)

              • 4. Re: Video Card--Acceleration--CUDA
                John T Smith MVP

                >Mercury Playback Engine with full support in CS6, you'll need a Quadro Card

                 

                Say What ???

                 

                What about all the people who use nVidia cards other than Quadro?

                 

                Is this a Mac thing? (I just read the OP again... no mention of Mac)

                • 5. Re: Video Card--Acceleration--CUDA
                  jstrawn Adobe Employee

                  My apologies. In a hurry, I read the list and responded too quickly and didn't call out the mac/win diferences. There are lot more supported cards for windows than for mac. Sorry to say your card is not on the list for CS6 though.... At any rate, it's all made pretty clear here:

                  http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/tech-specs.html

                  • 6. Re: Video Card--Acceleration--CUDA
                    jstrawn Adobe Employee

                    Supported NVIDIA graphics cards for GPU acceleration

                    • GeForce GTX 285 (Windows and Mac OS)
                    • GeForce GTX 470 (Windows)
                    • GeForce GTX 570 (Windows)
                    • GeForce GTX 580 (Windows)
                    • NVIDIA® Tesla C2075 card (Windows) when paired with a Quadro card as part of an NVIDIA Maximus™ configuration
                    • Quadro FX 3700M (Windows)
                    • Quadro FX 3800 (Windows)
                    • Quadro FX 3800M (Windows)
                    • Quadro FX 4800 (Windows and Mac OS)
                    • Quadro FX 5800 (Windows)
                    • Quadro 2000 (Windows)
                    • Quadro 2000D (Windows)
                    • Quadro 2000M (Windows)
                    • Quadro 3000M (Windows)
                    • Quadro 4000 (Windows and Mac OS)
                    • Quadro 4000M (Windows)
                    • Quadro 5000 (Windows)
                    • Quadro 5000M (Windows)
                    • Quadro 5010M (Windows)
                    • Quadro 6000 (Windows)
                    • Quadro CX (Windows)
                    • Tesla C2075** (Windows)

                     

                    The list of graphics cards that are compatible with Adobe® Premiere® Pro CS6 is updated on a regular basis. For the most current info, go to the NVIDIA website: http://www.nvidia.com/object/premiere-pro-cs6.html > CERTIFIED AND RECOMMENDED GPUS (box on the right side).

                    • 7. Re: Video Card--Acceleration--CUDA
                      Steve from NY Community Member

                      FYI: PC CS6:

                       

                      I have (3) GeForce GTX 570's with 6 core I7 980's, 24 Gigs of ram.... (Windows) & Adobe is working on a rendering issue when "Video Rendering & Playback" is set to Mercury Playback Engine GPU Acceleration, all 3 of my PC's crash during transcoding with  2 or 3 PinP layers + 1 title. Without the basic adobe title I can do 9 + layers no problem. This is true for AME & PP.

                       

                      I have to use Software Only Mode for my complex projects which is just about everything i do.

                      Adobe is presently working on this.

                      • 8. Re: Video Card--Acceleration--CUDA
                        kdoc2 Community Member

                        On the NVidia site, the download "driver" for GTX 260 seems to be a GeForce R300 Driver. Does that seem right? Dare I click it? Remember, this "hack" has been working for 2 years now in CS5.

                         

                        kdoc

                        • 9. Re: Video Card--Acceleration--CUDA
                          kdoc2 Community Member

                          OK folks; I downloaded the R300 driver update, and all works fine with acceleration. Thanks for suggesting I get the driver update: it needs to be gotten manually from NVidia, and not via the Device Manager--that doesn't work properly.

                           

                          Thanks all

                           

                          kdoc

                          • 10. Re: Video Card--Acceleration--CUDA
                            lasvideo Community Member

                            What are the measureable advantage of a Quadro 6000 + aTesla 2075   wheb compared to a  a Quadro 4000 + aTesla 2075?

                             

                            Where and what kind a performance differences would I see in Premiere, After Effects and Media Encoder.

                            • 11. Re: Video Card--Acceleration--CUDA
                              Harm Millaard Community Member

                              Or compared to a single GTX 680 for a fraction of the price?

                               

                              GTX 680: € 450

                              Quadro 4000 + Tesla C2075: € 3000

                              Quadro 6000 + Tesla C2075: € 5800

                               

                              Seems rather obvious to me that the Maximus solution is only for the Bill Gates wallets.

                              • 12. Re: Video Card--Acceleration--CUDA
                                lasvideo Community Member

                                Thanks Harm.

                                 

                                Money is not an issue here, Im looking for info that addresses performance enhancements in Premiere (format playback, exporting, encoding,etc) and After Effects (ray tracing and Sapphire plugins).

                                 

                                So please leave any fiscal preaching at the door 

                                • 13. Re: Video Card--Acceleration--CUDA
                                  Harm Millaard Community Member

                                  Money is not an issue here

                                   

                                  In that case, just get a Quadro 6000 and wait a bit for the Tesla K20. That should be a Monster combination for Maximus. K20 will probably be available by Q4/2012 for less than $ 4K.

                                  • 14. Re: Video Card--Acceleration--CUDA
                                    lasvideo Community Member

                                    This purchase will be long before then.

                                     

                                    Im not looking for suggestions, Im looking for someone who has first hand experience with any of the configurations mentioned above so I can get a better idea of performance enhancements on the specific functions I have mentioned.

                                    • 15. Re: Video Card--Acceleration--CUDA
                                      woodybrando Community Member

                                      is there anywhere online where we can see benchmarks comparing the speed benefits of the different nvidia cards with premiere and after effects? the only numbers I've ever seen showed very little difference between the gt240 and the highest end nvidia quadro cards (like a 1 or 2 percent increase using the higher end cards.) but wondering if that has changed at all since cs6 and kepler hadn't been released yet when that article was made.

                                       

                                      edit:

                                      Looks like the original article was updated for cs6 and kepler

                                      http://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/PremiereCS5.htm

                                       

                                       

                                      thx,

                                      Jayson

                                      youtube.com/AWDEfilms

                                      • 16. Re: Video Card--Acceleration--CUDA
                                        J. Simon Community Member

                                        Looks like the original article was updated for cs6 and kepler

                                        http://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/PremiereCS5.htm

                                         

                                        I'm still disappointed that we don't get 3x the performance with 3x the cores.

                                        • 17. Re: Video Card--Acceleration--CUDA
                                          lasvideo Community Member

                                          Thanks Jayson. Thats a real treasure chest of good info. I never even heard of that site. Nice find.

                                          • 18. Re: Video Card--Acceleration--CUDA
                                            Harm Millaard Community Member

                                            I'm still disappointed that we don't get 3x the performance with 3x the cores.

                                            That is because you don't understand the architectual changes. The memory bandwidth is about equal to the 580 and if you can't get the data from the VRAM to RAM faster than in the past, there is no speed advantage.

                                            • 19. Re: Video Card--Acceleration--CUDA
                                              Jeff Bellune ACP

                                              [Moved to Hardware Forum]

                                              • 20. Re: Video Card--Acceleration--CUDA
                                                RjL190365 Community Member

                                                Jim,

                                                Jim Simon wrote:

                                                 

                                                Looks like the original article was updated for cs6 and kepler

                                                http://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/PremiereCS5.htm

                                                 

                                                I'm still disappointed that we don't get 3x the performance with 3x the cores.

                                                 

                                                That's basically because the shader units (CUDA cores) in the Kepler GPUs run at the same speed as the GPU core while those in the Fermi GPUs run at double the core speed.

                                                • 21. Re: Video Card--Acceleration--CUDA
                                                  RjL190365 Community Member

                                                  Jayson,

                                                  woodybrando wrote:

                                                   

                                                  is there anywhere online where we can see benchmarks comparing the speed benefits of the different nvidia cards with premiere and after effects? the only numbers I've ever seen showed very little difference between the gt240 and the highest end nvidia quadro cards (like a 1 or 2 percent increase using the higher end cards.) but wondering if that has changed at all since cs6 and kepler hadn't been released yet when that article was made.

                                                   

                                                  edit:

                                                  Looks like the original article was updated for cs6 and kepler

                                                  http://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/PremiereCS5.htm

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  thx,

                                                  Jayson

                                                  youtube.com/AWDEfilms

                                                  That link on Dave's site just basically confirms the results that Bill had gotten from a GTX 260 and a GTX 550 Ti: The memory throughput of the GTX 550 Ti just falls short of that of the GTX 260.

                                                  • 22. Re: Video Card--Acceleration--CUDA
                                                    J. Simon Community Member

                                                    That is because you don't understand the architectual changes.

                                                     

                                                    Nope.  Even understanding that, I'm still disappointed.

                                                    • 23. Re: Video Card--Acceleration--CUDA
                                                      Bill Gehrke MVP

                                                      Look at this way, all encoding is done by the CPU so you have not changed that at all, the only things handled by the GPU that could be speeded up are as follows:

                                                       

                                                      "List of GPU accelerated effects in Premiere Pro CS5  Here is a list of the effects and transitions that can be accelerated by CUDA in Adobe Premiere Pro CS5, Adobe Premiere Pro CS5 (5.0.3) and Adobe Premiere Pro CS5.5 and later.      Alpha Adjust      Basic 3D      Black & White      Brightness & Contrast      Color Balance (RGB)      Color Pass (Windows only)      Color Replace      Crop      Drop Shadow      Edge Feather      Extract      Fast Color Corrector      Gamma Correction      Garbage Matte (4, 8, 16)      Gaussian Blur      Horizontal Flip      Levels      Luma Corrector      Luma Curve      Noise      Proc Amp      RGB Curves      RGB Color Corrector      Sharpen      Three-way Color Corrector      Timecode      Tint      Track Matte Key      Ultra Keyer      Video Limiter      Vertical Flip      Cross Dissolve      Dip to Black      Dip to White 

                                                       

                                                      List of GPU accelerated effects in Premiere Pro CS5.5 and later  Here is a list of the additional effects and transitions that can be accelerated by CUDA in Adobe Premiere Pro CS5.5 and later.      Directional Blur      Fast Blur      Invert      Additive Dissolve      Film Dissolve"

                                                       

                                                      Therefore adding a theortic 50,000 core GPU plus the fixed basic CPU encoding time is not going change your total time very much at all, you have reached a point of diminishing returns

                                                      • 24. Re: Video Card--Acceleration--CUDA
                                                        lasvideo Community Member

                                                        You forgot...

                                                         

                                                        • frame rate differences
                                                        • field order differences
                                                        • pixel aspect ratio differences
                                                        • frame size differences
                                                        • media with different alpha channel representations
                                                        • frame blending
                                                        • speed changes (including time remapping) are accelerated.
                                                        • scalling
                                                        • deinterlacing
                                                        • blending
                                                        • color space conversions
                                                        • rendering in AEs ray trace mode (lots of editors use both PrP and AE)
                                                        • 25. Re: Video Card--Acceleration--CUDA
                                                          Bill Gehrke MVP

                                                          You are correct, I was just looking for that list  Those are not "Effects"  and actually they are the some most significant items for the GPU.