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    Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files

    erickellerman Community Member

      Shadow areas of my 16-bit files show strange patterns if I use the Crop tool to rotate. I can also replicate the problem by doing the following:

       

      Make a new empty 16-bit file in PS6 in RGB mode (File>New). Fill it with 100% black. Use the Crop tool and rotate to taste. Press Enter to accept the crop and zoom in to enjoy the black and grey noise patterning reminiscent of a man's suit. The Straighten tool will achieve the same result. Your suit pattern will vary according to the degree of rotation.

       

      The problem goes away if you subsequently convert the file to 8-bit, or convert to any other mode (Greyscale, Lab, CMYK).

       

      This patterning is easily visible at 100% view or less, and appears whether the View>Show>Pixel Grid option is on or off. It is decidedly NOT the pixel grid I am seeing.

       

      This effect can be created with files from both my Canon and Hasselblad cameras.

       

      I'm using a Mac Pro with OS10.6.8.

        • 1. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
          Chris Cox Adobe Employee

          Which version of Photoshop are you using?

           

          And which options for the crop tool?

          • 2. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
            erickellerman Community Member

            Hello Chris

             

            I'm using PS6. I invoke the Crop tool, Unconstrained, Delete Cropped Pixels unselected. Degree of rotation doesn't matter, though the pattern noise will vary with the degree of rotation.

             

            I have now discovered that this weirdness ONLY happens with crop rotation of 16-bit files. If I open a 32-bit file and rotate, there is no patterning. If I convert this rotated crop to 16-bit, there is no change. But if I convert the file to 16-bit and THEN rotate, I get the noise again. 8-bit files do not show this behaviour. Saving rotated 16-bit files to TIFF and PSD preserves the patterning. Converting these files to jpeg (8-bit, obviously) removes the noise.

            • 3. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
              erickellerman Community Member

              Problem 'explained'!!! The video card is implicated.

               

               

              Go to Preferences>Performance. If under Detected Graphics Processor, you have checked Use Graphics Processor, then the 16-bit file crop/rotation weirdness will occur as described above. If you leave it unchecked, then restart PS6, the gentlemen's suit patterns will no longer appear upon cropping/rotating.

              • 4. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                Chris Cox Adobe Employee

                Which GPU are you using?

                 

                We'll have to investigate a bit more to isolate the cause.

                • 5. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                  erickellerman Community Member

                    Chipset Model:          ATI Radeon HD 4870

                    Type:          GPU

                    Bus:          PCIe

                    Slot:          Slot-1

                    PCIe Lane Width:          x16

                    VRAM (Total):          512 MB

                    Vendor:          ATI (0x1002)

                    Device ID:          0x9440

                    Revision ID:          0x0000

                    ROM Revision:          113-B7710F-176

                    EFI Driver Version:          01.00.318

                  • 6. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                    erickellerman Community Member

                    I have now heard from owners of the ATI Radeon HD 5800 and the Nvidia 570M that they too suffer from this patterning b ehaviour.

                    • 8. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                      Chris Cox Adobe Employee

                      We have not been able to reproduce this problem.

                       

                      But it could be something about your video card or driver version.

                      • 9. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                        Noel Carboni Community Member

                        It would be good to get more detail about what version of the driver you have.

                         

                        In Photoshop do Help - System Info, copy, then post the info here.

                         

                        -Noel

                        • 10. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                          erickellerman Community Member

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                          • 11. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                            Chris Cox Adobe Employee

                            I'm using a Radeon 4870 here at home, with MacOS 10.6.8 -- and cannot reproduce those artifacts.

                            • 12. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                              erickellerman Community Member

                              Hi Chris

                               

                              The problem has been replicated by other users with different cards (a ATI Radeon HD 5800, for example).

                               

                              The key conditions are: 16-bit file, RGB, with 'Use Graphics Processor' selected in Preferences. Saving as TIFF or .psd preserves the patterning. Saving as jpeg removes it.

                              • 13. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                                erickellerman Community Member

                                For an example of the patterning, download the file (1mb) at http://www.erickellermanphotography.com/pattern.psd

                                • 14. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                                  siskin11 Community Member

                                  I assume I'm the affected user Eric is referring to with the Radeon HD 5800. I am running Windows 7 64x on an 17-2600 machine with 12GB RAM. The video-card driver is version 8.961.

                                   

                                  This problem has rendered the crop and tilt function on CS6 more or less useless to me at present. It seems to be some kind of interference effect, because, for me, the patterning is remarkably uniform - long, intersecting lines very much like a ghost tartan watermark on the image. The attached image shows the patterning at 500%. This occurred on a 16-bit image after a minor crop and tilt. It is only really visible when zoomed in, but is definitely burned into the image. I use GPU acceleration in Normal mode.

                                   

                                  Peter ReesCS6 crop pattern.jpg

                                  • 15. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                                    erickellerman Community Member

                                    Yes, this is the basic patterning I have too. The degree of rotation determines the final effect.

                                    • 16. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                                      Noel Carboni Community Member

                                      Here's a weird thing:  I just opened the file http://www.erickellermanphotography.com/pattern.psd on my PC in Photoshop CS6 and it is perfectly black.

                                       

                                      I even added two extreme curves adjustment layers above the background.  There is no pattern there.

                                       

                                      -Noel

                                      • 17. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                                        Noel Carboni Community Member

                                        Do you see a difference when you choose different settings in the Crop tool for [  ] Delete Cropped Pixels?

                                         

                                        -Noel

                                        • 18. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                                          siskin11 Community Member

                                          I don't know about Eric, but I don't have a Mac. Eric's pattern is certainly there on my screen, though. Oddly, when I select the pattern with the eyedropper, the info palette shows no difference in colour between the pattern and the background - both register as R0G0B0.

                                           

                                          The issue occurs whatever you select under Delete Cropped Pixels. Here's another weird thing though - I just noticed on a layered image (multiple image layers) that the pattern wasn't visible until I deselected the top layer - in other words, it only affected the background layer, although the two layers are nearly identical (one is sharpened).

                                           

                                          Peter

                                          • 19. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                                            erickellerman Community Member

                                            If 'Delete Cropped PIxels' remains unchecked, the effect occurs. If it's checked, then rotation has no effect. And I just downloaded my own PSD file, and lo and behold! The noise is till there! No adjustment layer has any effect, as far as I can see. And I also fail to pick up any differences with the eye dropper.

                                             

                                            I'm a Mac user.

                                            • 20. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                                              erickellerman Community Member

                                              There is in implicational order at work: If 'Use Graphics Processor' is selected in Preferences>Performance, then not checking [ ] Delete Cropped Pixels produces the effect. If 'Use Graphics Processor' is not selected (after restarfting PS), then it doesn't matter whether 'Delete Cropped Pixels' is selected or not.

                                              • 21. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                                                erickellerman Community Member

                                                Bingo! If I download my .psd file, and then  open it in PS6 with 'Use Graphics Processor' unselected, guess what? Yes, NO patterning! So UGP is the cucial element.

                                                • 22. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                                                  Noel Carboni Community Member

                                                  Seems to me it's a video driver issue then, and it may only be affecting your display when pixels extend beyond the boundary of the visible canvas.

                                                   

                                                  • I have an ATI Radeon HD 5670 with Catalyst 12.2 drivers (internally numbered 8.950.0.0) and don't see the problem.

                                                   

                                                  • Eric has an ATI Radeon HD 4670 with the drivers shipping with Apple's OSX 10.6.8 and DOES see the problem.
                                                  • Peter has an ATI Radeon HD 5800 with Catalyst 12.4 drivers (internally numbered 8.961) and DOES see the problem.

                                                   

                                                  My conclusion is that it's a problem recently introduced by ATI.  This is not surprising, their recent driver versions have not worked well with Photoshop.  The last good version was Catalyst 12.2.

                                                   

                                                  Eric, you pretty much need to wait on Apple to provide new drivers with an OS update.

                                                   

                                                  Peter, you could either uninstall Catalyst 12.4 and drop back to 12.2, or you could move forward to ATI's 12.6 beta version.

                                                   

                                                  -Noel

                                                  • 23. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                                                    Chris Cox Adobe Employee

                                                    The artifacts are in the transparency channel, not the color channels.

                                                    Layer -> Layer Mask -> From transparency to get them into a visible mask

                                                     

                                                    They do look like interpolation artifacts (like something used low precision math for the transparency channel).

                                                     

                                                     

                                                    But I still can't reproduce that on my system with Photoshop CS6 (10.6.8, Radeo 4870).

                                                      Chipset Model:          ATI Radeon HD 4870

                                                      Type:          GPU

                                                      Bus:          PCIe

                                                      Slot:          Slot-1

                                                      PCIe Lane Width:          x16

                                                      VRAM (Total):          512 MB

                                                      Vendor:          ATI (0x1002)

                                                      Device ID:          0x9440

                                                      Revision ID:          0x0000

                                                      ROM Revision:          113-B7710C-176

                                                      EFI Driver Version:          01.00.318

                                                    • 24. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                                                      erickellerman Community Member

                                                      Chris, did you have a look at my psd file with GPU checked in PS Prefs?

                                                      • 25. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                                                        Chris Cox Adobe Employee

                                                        You PSD is what I was referring to -- it's an example of artifacts in the transparency channel.

                                                        The artifacts are already present in that file, so I can't use it to reproduce anything.

                                                        I need to know how to get the artifacts to start with.

                                                        • 26. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                                                          Noel Carboni Community Member

                                                          Chris, when I look at the pattern.psd file Eric posted, there are no artifacts.  Not even in the transparency channel.

                                                           

                                                          Honest!

                                                           

                                                          It must be something that's happening to the file when being opened on your particular system.

                                                           

                                                          I did a Layer - Layer Mask - From Transparency, copied the mask, and pasted it as a new layer.  It's pure white.  The histogram says so and two layers of extreme curves adjustments say so.

                                                           

                                                          The artifacts are NOT present in that file!

                                                           

                                                          Edit:  Scratch that.  I went through it again and saw something different.  Eric, did you update the file at the link posted above?

                                                           

                                                          -Noel

                                                          • 27. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                                                            Chris Cox Adobe Employee

                                                            It's a 16 bit file, and the errors are small.

                                                             

                                                            Open patterns.psd, Layer -> Layer Mask -> From Transparency, option/alt click on the layer mask to show it, Levels and change the black point to 245, commit the levels adjustment, now repeat the same levels adjustment and you should see the artifacts.

                                                            The errors appear to be in the least significant 2 bits of the result.

                                                             

                                                            But resampling solid white should always result in solid white -- so something when wrong before we saw that document.

                                                            • 28. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                                                              erickellerman Community Member

                                                              No, Noel. No updates! My strong feeling is that the Graphics Processor is involved, as if I have it switched off, even my own psd file looks clean.

                                                              • 29. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                                                                Noel Carboni Community Member

                                                                I probably made a mistake the first time somehow in processing the image.  Here's what I see.  The curves layers are as extreme as they can be.  Looks like maybe a 1 or 2 level error in the 16 bit data.

                                                                 

                                                                PatternShowing.jpg

                                                                 

                                                                -Noel

                                                                • 30. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                                                                  Chris Cox Adobe Employee

                                                                  And that's exactly what I'm seeing.

                                                                   

                                                                  The file is already dirty because of those artifacts in the transparency channel.

                                                                  Something happened to the file before we saw it to cause the artifacts.

                                                                  • 31. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                                                                    Noel Carboni Community Member

                                                                    Chris I've been able to reproduce the issue in a new document.  Here's how:

                                                                     

                                                                    • File - New, 400 x 300 px x 96 ppi, 16 bits/channel, Transparent
                                                                    • Set foreground color to pure black
                                                                    • Bucket fill
                                                                    • Choose Crop Tool
                                                                    • Uncheck [  ] Delete Cropped Pixels
                                                                    • Click the Straighten Button
                                                                    • Drag a line across the image right and upward until 5.0 degrees is indicated.
                                                                    • Complete the crop.

                                                                     

                                                                     

                                                                    This reproduces the problem whether a Grayscale or RGB image is created.

                                                                     

                                                                    I'm thinking another inaccuracy is making this ultra slight transparency error visible on some GPU-accelerated modes with some drivers.

                                                                     

                                                                    -Noel

                                                                    • 32. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                                                                      erickellerman Community Member

                                                                      I see. But still, if my file is 'dirty' before it go to you two, how come I can clean it myself if I view it with the GP turned off in Prefs? Or convert to 8 or 32-bit. Or save it to jpeg?

                                                                      • 33. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                                                                        Noel Carboni Community Member

                                                                        Eric, normally you would not expect to see a 1 or 2 level (out of 32768) transparency difference on-screen.  I suspect your particular drivers are showing that where others are not because of an error unrelated to the transparency channel glitches.

                                                                         

                                                                        There are just bugs all over this windshield! 

                                                                         

                                                                        -Noel

                                                                        • 34. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                                                                          Chris Cox Adobe Employee

                                                                          It looks clean because the error is very small (4 / 32768).

                                                                          But something is making it more visible on your system, and so far I haven't gotten it to be visible without using two extreme levels or curves adjustments.

                                                                          • 35. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                                                                            Noel Carboni Community Member

                                                                            FYI, the transparency channel gains the same minor transparency glitches with just Image - Image Rotation - Arbitrary.

                                                                             

                                                                            Note that these glitches don't really look like what Eric and Peter are seeing.  That *could* be another issue entirely.

                                                                             

                                                                            -Noel

                                                                            • 36. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                                                                              Paulo Skylar Community Member

                                                                              I will add my observation on the unexpected behavior of the transparency channel. While I do not see the behavior noted in the original posting, I do see the transparency error reported by Chris and Noel. It is only present in 16-bit mode and only with  my graphics processor turned on ( Nvidia 9600 GT, CS6). 

                                                                               

                                                                              In my case I see someting not yet mentioned. I can readily see the error on the display, which should be displaying pure black (Fill canvas with black, crop tool, rotate). It appears to be an error of a few percent on the display so if the calculation error is in fact only two LSBs in the mask data, then it appears as if the higher & lower order bytes are switched in writing the transparency channel ....... or some other error.

                                                                               

                                                                              Paulo

                                                                              • 37. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                                                                                Chris Cox Adobe Employee

                                                                                Paulo - can you get a screenshot of what you're seeing?  I'm starting to suspect this is a display pipeline error, but it may only happen in certain circumstances (which I haven't yet reproduced).

                                                                                • 38. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                                                                                  Paulo Skylar Community Member

                                                                                  Here are  screen shots at 100% magnification.  The canvas was 100 x 100 pixels and using the crop tool I "straightened" the image by 40 degrees (if I remember correctly) - different angles yield different patterns, of course.

                                                                                  Capture.PNG

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Here is another view with a levels adjustment

                                                                                  Capture3.PNG

                                                                                  I had a medium, blue transparency  grid, which can be resolved.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Paulo

                                                                                  • 39. Re: Weird Crop tool behaviour with 16-bit files
                                                                                    Noel Carboni Community Member

                                                                                    I'm only barely seeing the pattern you are seeing in the first of the two images you posted, Paulo - it looks almost perfectly black from here.  If I work at it I can just barely see the pattern, especially if I zoom in.  Looks like just a 1 or 2 level shift above pure black in that image.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    It occured to me the appearance / absence of this might just be differing responses to very dim level changes with different display systems, so I purposefully reproduced the issue and did a screen grab, but nope - I'm still getting a perfectly black display.  I think Chris must be right - something not right in the display pipeline on only some systems.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    -Noel

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