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      • 160. Re: Adobe Premiere Pro CS3 MKV support?
        katterfelto Level 1

        I would humbly (and respectfully) disagree with the statement that Premiere is not for professional editors. In 2010, the BBC switched all 2000 of their editing/postproduction workstations over to Adobe Creative Suite. All BBC content was subsequently edited with Premiere Pro (CS5/CS6), and they seemed to make it work just fine. I recently started working with CS5, and I actually prefer it to Final Cut Pro, which I've previously used on a variety of professional projects including a feature documentary. Premiere Pro is a surprisingly powerful program.   

        • 161. Re: Adobe Premiere Pro CS3 MKV support?
          M461C14N Level 1

          Yes.. since your output is consumer level output. A HD content to be consumed by consumer. You can do that with premiere. You can freeze frame, and then zoom in/out, yes.. no problem with those basic editing.

          • 162. Re: Adobe Premiere Pro CS3 MKV support?
            Jim_Simon Level 9

            to be consumed by consumer.

             

            Isn't all the work we do eventually supposed to be seen by the 'consumer'?  Hell, movie studios exist for the very purpose of getting as many 'consumers' as possible to watch their products.  They love it when we do.  They keep track of how many of us do (and when we don't).  That entire industry is driven by getting us consumers to consume their product.

             

            And if you think PP is only capable of basic editing like freeze frames and zooms, you clearly aren't very familiar with the software.

             

            Now I'm not arguing that Premiere Pro is the most capable NLE on the market, nor that it should be the cinema editor's first choice when it comes to cutting something like "The Avengers".  (At least, not yet.)  But cinema is only one level of "professional".  There are many levels of "professional" below that of the cinema editor.  Broadcast being just one example.  Few people in this industry would argue that BBC employees aren't "professionals".

            • 163. Re: Adobe Premiere Pro CS3 MKV support?
              M461C14N Level 1

              Well, I have answered that. the second time I answer you, it got deleted. But I noted again, that you clearly don't understand how pro work and yet you again claimed as professionals. If one work in this field, at least he should know where he get his footage from, and where he should send his work to, and understand his work area. And I note again that Premiere is at Pro to Consumer stage product. Therefore it is a consumer product. And no.. we don't work for our consumers to watch our movie. We work so that Universal Pictures agrees to import our footage into their Premiere Pro and distribute them so that you can watch them. It's THEIR work, not ours. Where do they want to deliver, be it BBC, DVD, or anything, it's up to them. They paid us, and after we send our work, they advertise, create trailers, and many things from our work using Premiere Pro for consumers. We sit, enjoy, and wait. Therefore, again, it is consumer product.

               

              I am not the editor, so yes, I am not familiar. But.. well, speaking avenger, can you mixed multiple framerate shots into 1 timeline with premiere pro then apply another effect filter in different framerate? Or perhaps combine 2 kind of overlapping frames in different rate by masking them? Say.. 25fps background with 480fps foreground perhaps? Add another animated 3D actor in 30 fps 3D render scene modified to 480fps to accompany that 480fps foreground sequence? Then render them in 29.97 film? Oh.. I forgot.. Premiere Pro can't import 3D files. May be in your term Calculus is not basic, but in our area, calculus is something that goes without saying. You haven't seen what other movie editor software can do. Avenger was hard to make, yes.. but only a routine work.

              Want to know our work? Consider this. Lasso a tree at 25fps background and replace it with a live 30fps sequence, then add a 30fps animated sequence then within 3 secs climbing gradually to 120fps, kicking it in slow motion, then just before the kick connects goes back to 30fps to let the tree shakes. Then render them in 29.97 film. Avenger? Maybe I can hear some complaints for something like that, but clearly not from editors. Avenger is harder to make, but that's not work for movie editors. Those are for 3D maker. They deliver the finished scene to us to merge with other clips. And those routines combining them are pretty basic. As for the one kicking the trees, those responsible to make that animation and effects are the one that suffers, not the editors. Same thing goes for those explosions and effects. We can't expect for Adobe Premiere or any movie editor softwares to have that kind of effects, can we? I they can't, we have to create. And again, that's not editors' job.

              May be, BBC are professionals, but again, they are pro to consumer. And maybe, in their field, Premiere is better suited. But clearly not ours.

               

              And if you are profesional enough, or want to become one, one thing you have to understand and remember in your every being, is that you HAVE TO work with other people in their respective field. Editing something to produce movie like Avenger is a stupid idea. You need to GENERATE some scenes, not to EDIT them. And that's definitely not your work. That why we are called profesionals. On the other hand, I do help both division since I am in charge of both their equipment, and I can't let them tinkering my equipment because I am a pro in my own field. A real Pro wouldn't step on other Pro's shoes.

              • 164. Re: Adobe Premiere Pro CS3 MKV support?
                Jim_Simon Level 9

                I am not the editor, so yes, I am not familiar.

                 

                I think that says it all.

                • 165. Re: Adobe Premiere Pro CS3 MKV support?
                  EuroSiti Level 1

                  Yet I remain curious as to why Adobe refuses to supprt the Matroska container. Lossless preservation - or at least an absolute minimum of altering and conversion - should always be the goal to strive for. Not least for a company that pretends to set standards high in other areas. Why cripple their software with these odd limitations? I just don't see the point - and given the fact that Adobe has never bothered to explain it. But I am sure it can't be license costs, because Matroska support is absolutely free.

                   

                  ... Isn't Avid more like the state of the art in terms of professional editing, by the way?

                  • 166. Re: Adobe Premiere Pro CS3 MKV support?
                    the_wine_snob Level 9

                    Yet I remain curious as to why Adobe refuses to supprt the Matroska container.

                    Unfortunately, that is a question, that we mere users cannot answer. We could only speculate (as has been done above), and we might get it right, but we cannot know, until an Adobe employee, on the team, such as Kevin, Todd, Dennis, or others, weigh in. However, Adobe has always been pretty tight-lipped about what they are working on, and what they hope to implement, so we might not get an answer, until such time as MKV support has been added.

                     

                    Hunt

                    • 167. Re: Adobe Premiere Pro CS3 MKV support?
                      Jim_Simon Level 9

                      I remain curious as to why Adobe refuses to supprt the Matroska container.

                       

                      What makes you think they refuse?  Just because something hasn't been done on your schedule doesn't mean it never will be.

                       

                      I've said in the past and still maintain that when enough professionals request this feature, Adobe will listen and implement it.

                       

                      Right now, MKV remains barely a blip on the professional radar.  No cameras use it.  No standardized delivery media use it.  It's just not requested all that much, according to one employee.

                      • 168. Re: Adobe Premiere Pro CS3 MKV support?
                        M461C14N Level 1

                        EuroSiti wrote:

                         

                        Yet I remain curious as to why Adobe refuses to supprt the Matroska container. Lossless preservation - or at least an absolute minimum of altering and conversion - should always be the goal to strive for. Not least for a company that pretends to set standards high in other areas. Why cripple their software with these odd limitations? I just don't see the point - and given the fact that Adobe has never bothered to explain it. But I am sure it can't be license costs, because Matroska support is absolutely free.

                         

                        ... Isn't Avid more like the state of the art in terms of professional editing, by the way?

                        LOL. Yes.. but I wouldn't call them as professional editing software. The term here is "software"

                         

                        Oh, and Avid support MKV. They already know that mxf is old and can't cope with modern technology any more.

                        • 169. Re: Adobe Premiere Pro CS3 MKV support?
                          M461C14N Level 1

                          Well, they only feed us with excuses.

                          • 170. Re: Adobe Premiere Pro CS3 MKV support?
                            M461C14N Level 1


                            Jim Simon wrote:


                            I think that says it all.

                             

                            Yep... I am an IT guy. I think I've made that notion clearly. And it is my responsibility to provide THE BEST software environment to our company. So, if they ask for F or V,  A, or PP I'll be happy to comply. So, you want to rant about how good and pro PP is that doesn't need MKV, go rant to professional editors. They ask, I comply.

                             

                            Jim Simon wrote:

                             

                            I remain curious as to why Adobe refuses to supprt the Matroska container.

                             

                            What makes you think they refuse?  Just because something hasn't been done on your schedule doesn't mean it never will be.

                             

                            I've said in the past and still maintain that when enough professionals request this feature, Adobe will listen and implement it.

                             

                            Right now, MKV remains barely a blip on the professional radar.  No cameras use it.  No standardized delivery media use it.  It's just not requested all that much, according to one employee.

                             

                            Really? No camera support? Delivery media? Do you think profesional only work on camera? What about Maya? What about autodesks? What about stills, what about youtube? What about commercials? Do you think a computer in college student's room has profesional clip going on while they are dating, or a simple web page with youtube movie playing? Or a car driven by a mafia boss on the road has a profesional camera thing to be played? Is there any profesional here that use encoded delivery media like PP do?  Stop saying it is professional thing. You don't even know how we work but you are saying over and over that pro doesn't need that.

                             

                            There are reason why pro won't ask Adobe, that it is not worth our time. It is a welcome addition, but doesn't even worth our time to request it. Why? Even if we get through a hassle to requested it, and even if, a very big if, Adobe promise to make it into his product, will our timeline flexible enough to work with Adobe's workaround? What is Adobe's timeline? 3 months? 6 months? How much time needed to dump PP and buy another editing software. 3 hours tops. Just rush a paper to finance department, fax another paper, problem solved.

                            • 171. Re: Adobe Premiere Pro CS3 MKV support?
                              Jim_Simon Level 9

                              I wouldn't call them as professional editing software. The term here is "software"

                               

                              A lot of professionals who actually do use the software and are familiar with it's capabilities would disagree with you on that one, I think.

                              • 172. Re: Adobe Premiere Pro CS3 MKV support?
                                Jim_Simon Level 9

                                Do you think profesional only work on camera?

                                 

                                No.  But I do think the overwhelming majority of the visual media used in NLEs is camera originated.  And I'd bet that the overwhelming majority of computer generated media comes in the form of MOV or AVI, MXF,  DPX and OpenEXR files.

                                 

                                 

                                you are saying over and over that pro doesn't need that.

                                 

                                No, what I keep saying is that right now, it's not much used by professionals, and that when enough people request it of Adobe, then support for MKV files will likely show up in the software.

                                 

                                If the software doesn't meet your needs, even with MKV support, then go ahead and use something else.  PP is far from the perfect NLE for every professional, especially the cinema editor.

                                • 173. Re: Adobe Premiere Pro CS3 MKV support?
                                  M461C14N Level 1

                                  Jim Simon wrote:

                                   

                                  Do you think profesional only work on camera?

                                   

                                  No.  But I do think the overwhelming majority of the visual media used in NLEs is camera originated.  And I'd bet that the overwhelming majority of computer generated media comes in the form of MOV or AVI, MXF,  DPX and OpenEXR files.

                                   

                                   

                                  you are saying over and over that pro doesn't need that.

                                   

                                  No, what I keep saying is that right now, it's not much used by professionals, and that when enough people request it of Adobe, then support for MKV files will likely show up in the software.

                                   

                                  If the software doesn't meet your needs, even with MKV support, then go ahead and use something else.  PP is far from the perfect NLE for every professional, especially the cinema editor.

                                   

                                  LOL.. yes.. overwhelming consumer grade media are camera originated and container based. That much is correct. As this comment below regarding Avid is ridiculously hilarious

                                   

                                  A lot of professionals who actually do use the software and are familiar with it's capabilities would disagree with you on that one, I think.

                                   

                                   

                                  Avid is professional tools, that much is certain. But.. ROFL.. I don't know how I can tell you about this, but well, hope you learn after this that they are hardly a software. ROFL..  and you tell me that they would disagree with me. Hahaha.

                                  If those familiar with its capabilities and disagrees with me, then there are only 2 reasons.. First... they don't know that Avid is not only software since they never heard of it, and second, they are blind enough to see the shiny brand stamped on the stuff right on their nose. ROFL

                                   

                                  And they support MKV. Thanks.. that comment made my day.

                                   

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                                  • 174. Re: Adobe Premiere Pro CS3 MKV support?
                                    Jeff Bellune Level 6

                                    Enough.  Thread locked.

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