16 Replies Latest reply: Jun 19, 2012 3:02 PM by nealeh RSS

    set pan and zoom time constraints?

    calpolyjeff Community Member

      Using PE10-- Say I have a photo image that is set at an overall duration (hold time) that I want, I want to add pan and zoom effects to it with out changing the duration of the image on the timeline. Is there a way to tell Premier Elements to constrain the aggregtate pan and zoom times to not go beyond the original hold time of the image?

       

      To clarify, I had an image that held for the correct duration, but when I was done fooling around w/pan and zoom, I found that I had extended the duration of the image so that it was now about 5 times longer than it should have been, and it pushed all my other images down the timeline. I would like to keep the duration fixed, without having to get out my calculator and stopwatch.

       

      Thanks (just learning this...)

        • 1. Re: set pan and zoom time constraints?
          the_wine_snob Community Member

          Yes,

           

          This is exactly what Keyframing Effects (Fixed, or added) over time. You have ultimate control.

           

          The Duration of the Still Image can be left alone, and you just Keyframe the Fixed Effects>Motion>Position (Pan), and Motion>Scale (Zoom)

           

          Good luck,

           

          Hunt

          • 2. Re: set pan and zoom time constraints?
            calpolyjeff Community Member

            THanks Bill--  Well, I've spent most of the morning try to make a keyrame and sonstraining the duration of the image, but when I pan and zoom the duration expands. I guess I need a little more help. Does maybe keyframing only apply to video clips? Or maybe it does not apply to Pan and Zoom, which appear to creates new frames as a part of its functionality...

             

            For example, I sent the CTI to the beginning of the image in the Timeline, highlighted the image, and clicked that diamond-shaped button to add a keyframe. I went to the dropdown at the top of the image and got the options of Motion and Opacity. I select Motion, and can choose position or scale (and others), but not apparently both. I pick "position" then click the Pan and Zoom button, play with that for a while, and when I gome back to the timeline my image duration has expanded, and there are several new keyframe markers in it. Soooo.... maybe I do need to keep track of the duration of pans and zooms to ensure that they do not add up to more than the original duration of the image? (Using Premire Elements 10).

            • 3. Re: set pan and zoom time constraints?
              Steve Grisetti MVP

              Right-click on the image and select Show Properties. This will open the Properties panel.

               

              If you click the Show Properties icon in the upper right of the panel, it will open up a keyframing timeline that's only as long as the actual clip (5 seconds, by default for photos). If you do your keyframing here, you won't change the duration of the clip.

              • 4. Re: set pan and zoom time constraints?
                the_wine_snob Community Member

                Keyframing should have zero to do with Duration of any Clip.

                 

                I recommend following Steve's guidelines.

                 

                He also has an excellent, multi-part series on Keyframing in PrE, at Muvipix.com, but IIRC, that is a subscription series. Still, that alone would be worth a subscription to Muvipix.com.

                 

                Good luck,

                 

                Hunt

                • 5. Re: set pan and zoom time constraints?
                  calpolyjeff Community Member

                  Thanks Steve and Bill-- I think the Pan and Zoom tool is new to PrE 10. I'm wondering if you have tried to use it...

                  • 6. Re: set pan and zoom time constraints?
                    the_wine_snob Community Member

                    Like the Rolling, or Crawling Titles, Pan & Zoom are basically Presets for limited Keyframing. I never use Presets for my animation, as I have found them to be too limiting in the past. I just do it manually, so that I have 100% control. With the Rolling & Crawling Title Presets, the only way to alter the speed of those animations IS to adjust the Duration. I always have defined my Duration, so want to then control the animation, and manual Keyframes allow me to do so.

                     

                    I have seen some Pan & Zoom functions, that claim to be able to define what my subject in an Image, or Video Clip is, but I have never seen one of those, that worked, in all but the most simplistic shots. I know what my subject is, and how best to concentrate on it, but then I AM a "control freak," so it's just part of my nature.

                     

                    Good luck,

                     

                    Hunt

                    • 7. Re: set pan and zoom time constraints?
                      Steve Grisetti MVP

                      I wrote the most popular book on the program on Amazon.com, Jeff. So, yes, I've definitely used the tool. I just wasn't clear that it was what you were referring to.

                       

                      In fact, there are several ways to work with keyframes and create motion paths in the program. I didn't know any of them could cause you to accidentally extend the length of your clip though.

                      • 8. Re: set pan and zoom time constraints?
                        the_wine_snob Community Member

                        Steve,

                         

                        Am I correct, that you Keyframing tutorial series on Muvipix.com is via subscription only?

                         

                        Again, if so, it is worth the price of a subscription, even if one were to ignore the rest of the subscription material.

                         

                        TIA,

                         

                        Hunt

                        • 9. Re: set pan and zoom time constraints?
                          Steve Grisetti MVP

                          No. There are plenty of free tutorials and articles also.

                           

                          In fact, you can see a free demo of the new Pan & Zoom tool by clicking the link on the left side of this page:

                          http://Muvipix.com/pe10.php

                          • 10. Re: set pan and zoom time constraints?
                            the_wine_snob Community Member

                            Thank you. I could not remember if your great Keyframing articles were free, or subscription only.

                             

                            Appreciated,

                             

                            Hunt

                            • 11. Re: set pan and zoom time constraints?
                              nealeh Community Member

                              There is also a demonstration in the Inspiration Browser:

                               

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                              Cheers,

                              --

                              Neale

                              Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children

                              • 12. Re: set pan and zoom time constraints?
                                calpolyjeff Community Member

                                THanks for the input.  Here's what I've come up with. I guess there a couple ways to add pan and zoom to a stilll image. IF you do it "manually" in the timeline by adding keyframes and using the pan and zoom effects, then no, you wouldn't cxhange the overall duration of the image in the video. BUT, if you go to the new "Pan and Zoom" window, the duration of the image in the video is only constrained by you paying attention to the aggregate length of your hold and zoom times. If you add a lot of frames and zooms in the window and go beyond your original length, PrE 10 will accommodate you and lengthen the duration of the image. This makes sense, actually. IN retrospect, it was a stoopid question. sorry.

                                • 13. Re: set pan and zoom time constraints?
                                  the_wine_snob Community Member

                                  There are no stupid questions. The question got all of us to thinking, trying to come up with the best answers for you, and prompting you to explore several options. Especially with Keyframes, every second spent learning and using them, will pay dividends - trust me.

                                   

                                  Good luck,

                                   

                                  Hunt

                                  • 14. Re: set pan and zoom time constraints?
                                    nealeh Community Member

                                    calpolyjeff wrote:

                                     

                                    when I was done fooling around w/pan and zoom, I found that I had extended the duration of the image so that it was now about 5 times longer than it should have been

                                     

                                    You have to watch the Pan & Zoom tool cues in the image and the changes with the timeline as you work in the tool. As you add / move / delete your frames you will be changing the duration elements - the Hold Time and The Pan Time.

                                     

                                    In the example below my Pan Time between frame one and frame two is sixteen seconds. You can change that by clicking the pan time and entering a duration. The other time I've highlighted is the is the one second hold time for frame two. Again you can change it by clicking it. On the timeline itself you can also see the Hold Time for frame one at the five second point.

                                     

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                                    Hope this helps,

                                     

                                    Cheers,

                                    --

                                    Neale

                                    Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children

                                    • 15. Re: set pan and zoom time constraints?
                                      jules345

                                      Steve,

                                      You seem to know your stuff, I just upgraded to Premier Elements 10.  There used to be a simple drag and drop transition/effect for panning and zooming in or out in the old version.  This has disappeared and seems to take so long to be able to do one zoom.  I like to have a zoom on every picture I do in a movie and right now I have 200 pictures and I am seeing that this will take me forever to zoom on each one.  Am I missing something, is there any easier way to zoom??

                                      • 16. Re: set pan and zoom time constraints?
                                        nealeh Community Member

                                        Presets should give you what you want:

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                                        Cheers,
                                        --
                                        Neale
                                        Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children