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      • 120. Re: What PC to build? An update...
        Shadreck Rukweza Level 2

        That is a dream system Harm. I love it.

        • 121. Re: What PC to build? An update...
          Micekhoho Level 1

          Thanks for a awesome guide Harm Millaard!

           

          I'm building a workstation used mostly with RED or equal material.

           

          This is what I was thinking about:

          OCZ Z Series Gold Modular 850W

          Gigabyte GA-X79-UD5

          Intel Core i7 3930K

          Noctua NH-D14

          Corsair XMS3 Vengeance DDR3 PC12800/1600MHz CL10 4x8GB 10-10-10-27 latency (CMZ32GX3M4X1600C10) 1,5V

          Crucial m4 2.5" 128GB

          4x Western Digital VelociRaptor WD5000HHTZ 64MB 500GB @ 10000rpm

           

          Going to do 2x raid0 with the VelociRaptor disks for different source and output disks.

          Do you guys think that will be okay?

           

          I'm also wondering if I should use GTX580 with 3GB VRAM or if I should go for a GTX680 with 2GB?

           

          And what do you think about the memory, will I have any problems using them with the 3930k?

           

          Thanks in advance!

          • 122. Re: What PC to build? An update...
            Kasper Jack Larsen Level 1

            Yo!

             

            Very helpful info, learnt allot from it. Thanks Harm and everyone else

             

            I wish to create a system mainly for simple photo editing in Lr and very little Photoshop, but also for editing DSLR H.264 footage in Pr (mainly simple colorgrading etc.) and very little in Ae.

             

            Unfortunately I am on a very tight budget

             

            I already have:

            An external raid: CalDigit S2VR HD 1.5TB (This craves eater eSATA 2.0 or PCIe-x8)

            2x 2TB WD Caviar green

            500GB WD Caviar blue

            Cooler Master Silencio 550

             

            I intend to stripe the external raid for video editing in Pr and Ae (Is it overkill to stripe 5x 7200rpm drives for H.264 footage?).

            One of the 2TB drives will function as my main data drive, the other as external backup via SATA slot in the front of the cabinet.

            The 500GB drive will ether function as my OS drive, or as an extra data drive (if i choose to go SSD).

            I got the Cooler Master cheap. It is not a huge case, but i am not too concerned about fan noise (the raid is f****** noisy anyway!) and i can always upgrade this part.

             

            So... Now i just need all the important parts. I cant decide whether to go with a Z77 motherboard + i5 3550 or i7 3770, or a X79 motherboard and i7 3820.

             

            GPU wise i am thinking MSI GTX 570 1.28GB (it would be nice to render my color gradings with the mercury engine).

            PSU: Corsair TX V2 750w

            RAM: Corsair Vengeance 4x 4GB 1600mhz CL9-9-9-24 1.5v

            120GB SSD (havent come to a conclusion with this one yet.. I can see there has been a bit of a debate about it already)

            ICY BOX card reader (i use CF cards).

            Sony Optiarc DVD

             

            Later optional addons: Corsair H60 (if its too noisy/gets too hot)

             

             

            I know nothing about OC'ing, but i would like to try it.. I am attracted to the Asus motherboards, because they have the one button OC feature.

             

            Hope you guys can help

            • 123. Re: What PC to build? An update...
              Another Photographer Level 1

              Harm,

               

              Aiming for an Economic build, does this look like a good balance of components for a DSLR shooter?

               

              Intel i7-2600K with stock fan

              Z77-based Asrock mobo

              16 GB (4x4) DDR3 1600 (1.5 v) RAM

              nVidia GT 240 (already own this)

              SSD for OS; 3 WD Black HDDs

              750Watt Gold from Seasonic

              Lian Li aluminum case

               

              If you were to improve one item, what would it be?

              • 124. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                RjL190365 Level 4

                Another Photographer wrote:

                 

                Harm,

                 

                Aiming for an Economic build, does this look like a good balance of components for a DSLR shooter?

                 

                Intel i7-2600K with stock fan

                Z77-based Asrock mobo

                16 GB (4x4) DDR3 1600 (1.5 v) RAM

                nVidia GT 240 (already own this)

                SSD for OS; 3 WD Black HDDs

                750Watt Gold from Seasonic

                Lian Li aluminum case

                 

                If you were to improve one item, what would it be?

                I'm not Harm, but that system needs an upgraded GPU: That system is strong on the CPU and weak on the GPU. Go with at least a GTX 560 Ti (or better still, a GTX 670).

                • 125. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                  josephs51576386 Level 3

                  I would buy a 560ti like the poster above me said. Or I'd look for a refurbished 570 on newegg if you could get ahold of one. Also stay clear of OCZ and go with the Intel 520 Intel does a wonderful job validating things before realeasing them to the public. If you want something reliable when dealing with SF controllers go Intel or Kingston.

                  • 126. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                    RjL190365 Level 4

                    Intel isn't the only "good" brand of SSD. Other "good" brands of SSDs are: Crucial and Samsung, plus certain Corsair models (Performance Pro, which does not use a Sandforce controller like other Corsair SSDs). However, I do not count Kingston as a "good" brand because all of its models use either JMicron or Sandforce controllers.

                    • 127. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                      josephs51576386 Level 3

                      I was refering to Kingstons valdiation for their Sandforce drives. Trust me I'm not refering to their JMicron drives. Also I should have made myself more clear and I apologize for that, but I was saying Intel is the best brand if you're going to purchase a SF drive.

                       

                      "If you want something realiable when dealing with SF controllers go Intel or Kingston"

                      So as you can see I was trying to say if you want a SF ssd go Intel or Kingston. I wasn't saying they are the only good drives. So I apologize for not making that more clear. The reason I say Intel and Kingston are the best SF vendors is simply because their validation process is much bigger than OCZ's and all the smaller resllers.

                      • 128. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                        JEShort01 Level 4

                        Another photographer,

                         

                        I would suggest getting a good CPU cooler. You can get one for under $30 that will help tons with overclocking, and keep your cpu cool too even if you are totally opposed to OC'ing.

                         

                        Agree w/ SSD and GPU comments as well by others.

                         

                        Jim

                        • 129. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                          Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                          I strongly suggest the Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO. If you want to push it a little further overclocking wise get a second fan for push-pull operation.

                          • 130. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                            Another Photographer Level 1

                            Thanks for the quick replies everyone!

                             

                            Is it clear yet which GPUs are good under Premiere Pro CS6, or is there still some debate there?

                             

                            Was it a mistake to get only 16 GB of RAM?  It was only $60 so I figure I could toss it and upgrade to 32 GB in the future without too much of a loss (prices will have come down).

                             

                            I will look into OC in short while.  That's why I went with the 2600K.

                            • 131. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                              RjL190365 Level 4

                              Prices on RAM are, if anything, creeping upwards slightly. Upgrading to 32GB if you are getting 4 x 4GB sticks will require taking out all of the RAM and replacing them completely: No LGA 1155 enthusiast-level motherboard has more than four DIMM slots.

                               

                              And as I stated earlier about the GPU, it is best if it is (relatively speaking) a good balance with the CPU that you'll be using the GPU with. Your existing GT 240 is OK for a slow system with only a dual-core CPU or an old LGA 775 Core 2 Quad-based PC, but will definitely bottleneck even a totally stock-speed i7-2600K, let alone an overclocked one (especially if your particular card has only 512MB of VRAM or uses slower DDR3 VRAM instead of the DDR5 VRAM).

                              • 132. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                                Another Photographer Level 1

                                Good point about the VRAM--I checked and my GT 240 is luckily a DDR5 with 1 GB.  I realize I will need to upgrade it--the question is what to look for in a GPU for CS6?

                                • 133. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                                  RjL190365 Level 4

                                  1) Number of CUDA cores

                                  2) Memory throughput (in GB/s)

                                   

                                  Your GT 240 has only 96 CUDA cores and a memory throughput of only 54.4 GB/s. By comparison, the GTX 560 Ti that I recommend has either 384 or 448 CUDA cores, with a memory throughput of 128 to 152 GB/s.

                                  • 134. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                                    Kasper Jack Larsen Level 1

                                    Just purchased:

                                     

                                    Cabinet: Cooler Master Silencio 550

                                     

                                    Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-M PRO

                                     

                                    CPU: i7 3770K 3.5Ghz

                                     

                                    RAM: 4x4GB Corsair Vengeance 1600Mhz CL9

                                    -9-9-24

                                     

                                    GPU: MSI N570GTX Twin Frozr II 1.25GB

                                     

                                    PSU: Corsair HX750W

                                     

                                    SSD: Corsair Force Series 3 120GB

                                     

                                    RAID: CalDigit S2VR HD 1.5TB

                                     

                                    Backup: 2x 2TB WD Green Caviar

                                     

                                    CPU cooler: Corsair H60

                                     

                                    CPU cooler fans: 2x Scythe Gentle Typhoon

                                     

                                    Front intake fans: 2x Sharkoon Silent Eagle

                                     

                                     

                                    I can't wait to see if it works! I hope the SSD is stable after reading the debate above :/

                                     

                                    The external RAID has an ekstreamly noisy PSU, but i think i may be able to connect 2x molex from the computers PSU instead.

                                     

                                    I also ordered an Icy Box card reader, but didnt realize it only was a 3,5'' and not a 5,25''

                                     

                                    So there you have a couple of things to look out for. I wil post again when the system is up and running. thanks for the help

                                    • 135. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                                      Harm Millaard Level 7

                                      I also ordered an Icy Box card reader, but didnt realize it only was a 3,5'' and not a 5,25''

                                       

                                      Change that order to the ICY Box IB-863-B, which is a 5.25" card reader. It is shown here: Adobe Forums: Planning / building a new system. Part 1

                                       

                                      A close-up picture is shown on the Case panel under the Drive Cages tab. The link to the website of the maufacturer can be found in the panel 'The price tag'.

                                      • 136. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                                        Kasper Jack Larsen Level 1

                                        Yeah that was the one i wanted, but ordered the 3,5'' by mistake.

                                         

                                        Thats a monster of a computer by the way! :O

                                        • 137. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                                          Another Photographer Level 1

                                          How about a GT 640 with 384 cores and DDR5 (but only 128 bit)?

                                           

                                          Does 32 GB v. 16 GB make a big difference in Premiere Pro CS6 with things like Warp Stabilizer?

                                          • 138. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                                            RjL190365 Level 4
                                            How about a GT 640 with 384 cores and DDR5 (but only 128 bit)?

                                            Unfortunately, that particular version of the GT 640 is OEM-only (meaning that it is only supplied to big-name PC brands for use in their PCs at present). No retail cards are available in that configuration (at least not yet). The only announced retail version(s) of the GT 640 all use 128-bit DDR3 VRAM whose memory throughput is only about half that of your current GT 240 (28.5 GB/s on the GT 640 versus 54.4 GB/s on your current GT 240).

                                             

                                            In addition, that particular GT 640 and all retail GT 640s are Kepler-based, whose shaders are only about half as fast (relatively speaking) as the shaders in Fermi (GeForce 400- and 500-series). Put it this way, while Fermi shaders run at double the core clock speed, Kepler shaders run at only the same clock speed as the GPU core clock speed. This greatly diminishes, if not completely eliminates, the effect of the greater number of CUDA cores.

                                             

                                            As such, the GT 640 retail would not be a sufficient inprovement over your current GT 240 to justify its cost, in your case. It would cost around $100, all right - but its performance would be slower than even a two-generation-old GTS 450, let alone a GTX 560 Ti.

                                            • 139. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                                              Harm Millaard Level 7

                                              Thats a monster of a computer by the way! :O

                                               

                                              That is the reason it will be called "Harm's Monster".

                                              • 140. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                                                UlfLaursen Level 2

                                                Harm Millaard wrote:

                                                 

                                                I also ordered an Icy Box card reader, but didnt realize it only was a 3,5'' and not a 5,25''

                                                 

                                                Change that order to the ICY Box IB-863-B, which is a 5.25" card reader. It is shown here: Adobe Forums: Planning / building a new system. Part 1

                                                 

                                                A close-up picture is shown on the Case panel under the Drive Cages tab. The link to the website of the maufacturer can be found in the panel 'The price tag'.

                                                Hi Harm

                                                 

                                                Do you know it the card reader part of it is USB 2.0 or 3.0?

                                                 

                                                Thanks

                                                 

                                                Ulf

                                                • 141. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                                                  Harm Millaard Level 7

                                                  The card reader part is USB2 and unfortunately not USB3.

                                                  • 142. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                                                    UlfLaursen Level 2

                                                    Thanks for the info Harm

                                                     

                                                    Ulf

                                                    • 143. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                                                      Another Photographer Level 1

                                                      In addition, that particular GT 640 and all retail GT 640s are Kepler-based, whose shaders are only about half as fast (relatively speaking) as the shaders in Fermi (GeForce 400- and 500-series).

                                                       

                                                      Is this an issue even with GTX 670 and GTX 680?  This is why I've been asking what the best GPUs are for CS6, and I get different answers without much in the way of explanation.  I am not averse to getting a 570 if it's significantly better than 560 Ti, for example, and will last a bit longer.  Should I look for Display Port for future monitors?

                                                       

                                                      The biggest performance issue I have currently in Premiere Pro is the Warp Stabilizer.  It takes a long time to do the initial computation.  In my machine, the GPU is idle during this phase of the Warp, so I assumed that upgrading the GPU would not help at all.  It is so darn slow that I don't think an OC'd hex-core would help even if it were twice as fast as my i7-2600K.  I do like the results of the Warp though, so I let it run while I go for a jog.

                                                      • 144. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                                                        RjL190365 Level 4

                                                        Another Photographer wrote:


                                                        Is this an issue even with GTX 670 and GTX 680?

                                                        Yes. This is exactly one of the reasons why the GTX 680 is only slightly faster than the previous-generation top-end NVidia GPU, the GTX 580, despite triple the number of CUDA cores. But you also have to remember that the total VRAM bandwidth of the GTX 680 is only about equal to that of the older GTX 580. This hurts performance to the point that a GPU with more cores isn't all that much faster (if at all) compared to an older GPU with fewer CUDA cores.

                                                        • 145. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                                                          Another Photographer Level 1

                                                          Ok thanks, how about under CS6--are there any benchmarks yet for PP CS6, or would you expect the 5.5 numbers to hold true?

                                                           

                                                          Any thoughts on the Warp stabilizer question?  I would love to know if I can make that go faster.

                                                          • 146. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                                                            RjL190365 Level 4

                                                            The PPBM5 benchmark will run in CS6 although you will have to do several additional steps:

                                                             

                                                            1) When it asks you to save the project on first launch, leave this as the default "Benchmark_1.prproj". Then, after you run the render/export portion of the PPBM5 test (as per instructions), resave that project as the original "Benchmark.prproj" file name (this will overwrite the original "Benchmark.prproj" file if done correctly; if it asks you that the file will be overwritten, click "Yes").

                                                             

                                                            2) Now, when you load in the three timelines in Adobe Media Encoder, change the H.264 output file name to "H.m4v".

                                                             

                                                            After all that is done, when you look at the results, the Disk I/O time and the MPE Off time should be slightly faster (lower times) while the H.264 Blu-ray and MPEG-2 DVD encode times should be quite a bit slower (higher times).

                                                            • 147. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                                                              Dave Cowl Level 1

                                                              So am I hearing righ that the new 670 and 680 video cards are essentially a bust?

                                                               

                                                              Would I be therefore better to focus on a high end GTX 580 with 3GB and 384 bit GDDR5?

                                                               

                                                              If not, what parameters should I be trying to maximize here for best performance?

                                                              • 148. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                                                                Another Photographer Level 1

                                                                RjL190365 wrote:

                                                                 

                                                                 

                                                                After all that is done, when you look at the results, the Disk I/O time and the MPE Off time should be slightly faster (lower times) while the H.264 Blu-ray and MPEG-2 DVD encode times should be quite a bit slower (higher times).

                                                                 

                                                                I am not sure I follow.  The resulst will be faster/slower than what?

                                                                • 149. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                                                                  RjL190365 Level 4

                                                                  Sorry for not making that clear enough. All of my info in the above post are in CS6 relative to those same tests done in CS5.5.

                                                                  • 150. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                                                                    Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                    Dave Cowl wrote:

                                                                     

                                                                    So am I hearing righ that the new 670 and 680 video cards are essentially a bust?

                                                                     

                                                                    Would I be therefore better to focus on a high end GTX 580 with 3GB and 384 bit GDDR5?

                                                                     

                                                                    If not, what parameters should I be trying to maximize here for best performance?

                                                                    Dave, I have a GTX 680 and it slightly outperforms my GTX 580 and produces less heat and is quieter.  There is no advantage to the memory interface width as both units have the same memory bandwidth 192 GB/s.  That is hardly a bust!

                                                                     

                                                                    It does cost more of course. 

                                                                    • 151. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                                                                      Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                      Micekhoho wrote:

                                                                       

                                                                      Noctua NH-D14

                                                                      I hate to see this myth of the Noctua NH-D14 being perpetuated.  It is a very old cumbersome design that makes working on memory impossible unless you remove the CPU heatsink.  In it's day it was a great choice but newer designs like the Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO are more efficient, a whole lot easier to work with, and less expensive.  The reason (unless someone has information on a change) is that Noctua is not using direct contact heat pipes and Coolermaster and others are.  This means that you have to transfer heat first to the block of metal containing the heat pipes and then the block of metal has to transfer the heat to the heat pipes.  The direct contact method is more efficient.  Of course since the Coolermaster only comes with one fan you should also order a second fan and that all comes to half the cost of the Noctua for superior cooling

                                                                       

                                                                      Coolermaster--

                                                                      "4 Direct Contact heat pipes with proprietary CDC (Continuous Direct Contact) technology create a perfect, sleek surface for heat conduction"

                                                                      Here are the heat pipes

                                                                      Coolermaster-EVO-heatpipes.jpg

                                                                      • 152. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                                                                        JEShort01 Level 4

                                                                        Bill,

                                                                         

                                                                        I don't personally use a NH-D14, but are you maybe thinking about a different Noctua model when you slam it vs. a Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO?

                                                                         

                                                                        I've inserted a photo of the NH-D14 below and it doesn't look to be that offensive in the RAM bumping department. Also, I just did some www searching and found a test which included the delta-T for bother coolers you mention (and a whole lot more!).

                                                                         

                                                                        With a test using an i7-920 OC'd to 4.0GHz, the Noctual was keeping the temperatures 7 to 10 deg. C cooler than the Hyper 212 EVO! Both coolers were configured with identical fans to level the playing field. The Noctua was 7 deg. more effective using 2xNoctua NF-P14 fans and 10 deg. C cooler when both coolers were equipped with Coolink 2xSWiF2-120P fans. (ref. vortez.net)

                                                                         

                                                                        I do really like and would recommend the Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO in the sub-$30 range. I don't however think it is one of the best coolers out there when including more expensive cooling solutions.

                                                                         

                                                                        Regards,

                                                                         

                                                                        Jim

                                                                         

                                                                        NH-D14.png

                                                                        • 153. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                                                                          RjL190365 Level 4

                                                                          Jim,

                                                                           

                                                                          I think I know the reason for the superior performance of that NH-D14: It's just a larger HSF - period. (And you have misjudged the clearance of the front 120mm fan of the NH-D14: It is low enough to create a serious conflict with any RAM module that's over 1 inch high; in the worst cases you might have to settle for RAM with no heatsinks.)

                                                                           

                                                                          And the Hyper 212 series isn't as efficient as they should have been because their numerous fins are packed very close together - so close that they require extremely loud, noisy fans just for themselves (let alone the CPU) to be cooled adequately. As such, I would not personally trust any of the Hyper 212 series for any current Intel CPU priced over $350 or so.

                                                                          • 154. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                                                                            Harm Millaard Level 7

                                                                            Randall,

                                                                             

                                                                            While you are correct that the front fan can get in the way of RAM modules with high heat-sinks, the solution to that problem is pretty easy, just place the front fan a notch or two higher than designed, it will disturb the designed airflow a bit, but the effect on cooling will be minimal.

                                                                            • 155. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                                                                              Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                              Randall/Jim

                                                                               

                                                                              I have a Noctua NH-D14 in the basement that is not being used (I did install it originally) on my primary editing $1000 dollar i7-980X overclocked at 4.2 GHz CPU.but removed it and replaced it with a Hyper 212+ and it still is purring along fine.

                                                                              • 156. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                                                                                Sheibani Level 1

                                                                                Hi Harm

                                                                                you said...

                                                                                Also note that there are diminishing returns from increasing memory say from 32 to 64 GB for PR. For AE there is still a performance gain, but less so in PR

                                                                                 

                                                                                If i increase memory from 32 to 64...it seems like a waste of money?

                                                                                 

                                                                                and Other questions

                                                                                 

                                                                                Why doesn't someone suggest Ivy Bridge (3770K) ?

                                                                                 

                                                                                Thanks

                                                                                • 157. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                                                                                  RjL190365 Level 4

                                                                                  Hsheibani wrote:

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Why doesn't someone suggest Ivy Bridge (3770K) ?

                                                                                  Ivy Bridge is still limited due to the LGA 1155 platform it uses: Not enough PCI-e lanes if you're going to use a high-end GPU, a discrete hardware RAID card and a higher-end digital video I/O card all in the same system. Worse, the i7-3770K does not overclock as high on average as the previous i7-2600K, and if you use an i7-3770K on a pre-7-series Gigabyte-branded motherboard, the i7-3770K's macximum overclock will be limited to only 3.9GHz.

                                                                                  • 158. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                                                                                    Another Photographer Level 1

                                                                                    Hsheibani wrote:

                                                                                     

                                                                                    If i increase memory from 32 to 64...it seems like a waste of money?

                                                                                     

                                                                                     

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Thanks

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Personally I opted for 16 GB for PP, and so far the most the system was using at the same time was 10GB.  I do not do very complicated effects or long sequences though.

                                                                                    • 159. Re: What PC to build? An update...
                                                                                      Another Photographer Level 1

                                                                                      JEShort01 wrote:

                                                                                       

                                                                                       

                                                                                      I don't personally use a NH-D14, but are you maybe thinking about a different Noctua model when you slam it vs. a Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO?

                                                                                       

                                                                                      I've inserted a photo of the NH-D14 below and it doesn't look to be that offensive in the RAM bumping department.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Jim

                                                                                       

                                                                                      If you go on Noctua's website they have a list of motherboards and more importantly a very short list of memory sticks that will fit under the Noctua.  So there is definitely an issue.  Even if the memory stick does fit, my understanding is that you will not be able to take it out after you install the heatsink.