12 Replies Latest reply: Jun 23, 2012 9:39 AM by the_wine_snob RSS

    Adobe Stock News

    Curt Y Community Member

      For those interested in the new move to "cloud computing" here is the latest financial news about Adobe.

       

      By adding a subscriptions line, Adobe is attempting to make sales growth more predictable, avoiding the revenue shortfalls and stock declines that occur in between updates of its Creative Suite software. It started the move in April with the release of software called Creative Cloud, which lets users rent Photoshop and other graphics programs over the Web for monthly fees.

      The strategy carries risks. It would take the company more than four years to collect as much from a subscriber as it generates from a single sale of the desktop version of the top- end Master Collection software package, which includes applications like Photoshop and Illustrator.

      Adobe reduced the high end of its annual sales growth forecast range to 7 percent from 8 percent, which is “anemic” for a technology company, said Barbara Coffey, an analyst with National Securities.

       

      “This was always meant to be a transition year,” Chief Financial Officer Mark Garrett said in an interview yesterday.

      Moving to a subscription-based model will mean about $10 million will be erased from quarterly sales for the foreseeable future, Garrett said.

      Still, Adobe has 90,000 paying online subscribers to cloud- computing versions of its software and is adding 5,000 net subscribers a week, Garrett said

        • 1. Re: Adobe Stock News
          c.pfaffenbichler Community Member

          Thanks for the heads-up.

          And aren’t we all curious how this will play out?

          • 2. Re: Adobe Stock News
            the_wine_snob Community Member

            So long as there are non-subscription offerings, I see it as probably being a good thing for Adobe, over time. For some users, where multiple licenses for non-Creative Cloud can be expensive, the Creative Cloud option probably offers those shops a billing alternative, that might be a better deal for them.

             

            When/if Adobe goes ALL Creative Cloud, I will probably just die with my old, non-Cloud versions.

             

            Thanks to Curt for that info.

             

            Hunt

            • 3. Re: Adobe Stock News
              Noel Carboni Community Member

              I share Bill's concern that companies like Adobe don't decide to eliminate traditional perpetual licenses.

               

              -Noel

              • 4. Re: Adobe Stock News
                MacWright Community Member

                Currently with the 18month product cycle (or whatever the timeline is), new versions are driven by selling traditional licenses not cloud licenses.

                 

                Removing the version upgrade as a reason for purchasing a license only leaves the need to keep up with the competition.... and that would be who?

                 

                It would take the company more than four years to collect as much from a subscriber as it generates from a single sale of the desktop version of the top- end Master Collection software package, which includes applications like Photoshop and Illustrator.

                 

                This assumes new purchases not upgrades. If the market is indeed saturated then the cloud would continue to get revenue from the people who typically skip versions.

                • 5. Re: Adobe Stock News
                  Lundberg02 Community Member

                  Adobe might want to look into further resection of its Photoshop product into specialty versions. PS for amateur photographers (basically Elements), Photoshop for web, PS for print, PS for retouch, PS for RAW, PS for artists,similarly for Illustrator.

                  It seems like they're pricing themselves out of the consumer market now.

                  • 6. Re: Adobe Stock News
                    MacWright Community Member

                    That may be one of those "be careful what you wish for" scenarios, it's possible that a pro-version of PS would have an even higher price tag if the pro-market becomes too small relative to the overall user base. Currently the consumer is subsidizing the cost. For example look at some of the 3d apps and costs for subscriptions.

                    • 7. Re: Adobe Stock News
                      the_wine_snob Community Member

                      I do not share your opinion on:

                      pricing themselves out of the consumer market now.

                      Adobe has both Photoshop Elements and Premiere Elements (video editing program, a pretty big step down, in both features and price from Premiere Pro). Those are aimed squarely at the consumer market.

                       

                      As for breaking things apart for particular diciplines, well Adobe does that with their various suites, that contain Photoshop. Usually, one can upgrade to one of the lesser suites (below Master Collection), for not much more, than if buying just Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, etc.. If one is upgrading TO a suite, the pricing gets even better.

                       

                      Going back to the release of CS (the first Creative Suite), I looked at upgrading both my Photoshop and Illustrator versions, and found that I could get the entire Creative Suite, for less than it would cost to upgrade both PS and AI, and I got an upgrade for Acrobat, plus InDesign (had PageMaker back then). To me, it was a no-brainer.

                       

                      Sorry, but I think that with the suites and the Elements programs, Adobe has a lot of bases covered already.

                       

                      Just my way of thinking,

                       

                      Hunt

                      • 8. Re: Adobe Stock News
                        Lundberg02 Community Member

                        I agree that you did the right thing for your purpose. Isn't Photoshop the largest by far of the Suite apps? It's too big and expensive for almost everyone, I think, because of the various purposes today. You can get Corel apps for under 100 that do what you need in most cases.

                        • 9. Re: Adobe Stock News
                          the_wine_snob Community Member

                          Yes, PS is probably the most well-represented of all Adobe programs, in the various suites - heck, it's Adobe's "flagship."

                           

                          As for Corel products (I have several, and have for many years), one can pick up Photoshop Elements for about US $70, and for US $100, get the bundle with Premiere Elements, from certified resellers.

                           

                          While there ARE differences between PS and PSE, the two biggest are that PS can work in CMYK and can create Layer Sets. PSE cannot (unless the Layer Set creation has been added - it CAN, however edit Layer Sets).

                           

                          If you are looking for a "stripped down" version of PS, I strongly suggest that you look closely at PSE. You might find that it is not "stripped down," as much as many assume.

                           

                          Good luck,

                           

                          Hunt

                          • 10. Re: Adobe Stock News
                            station_two Community Member

                            Bill Hunt wrote:

                             

                            ...look closely at PSE. You might find that it is not "stripped down," as much as many assume...

                             

                            Naïvely hoping that might be the case, about four years ago I bought a Windows version of Ps Elements to run on a cheap Toshiba laptop while I kept the full version of Photoshop on my Mac desktop.

                             

                            Within a couple of weeks I became so frustrated with Ps Elements that I successfully demanded my money back from Adobe.

                             

                            Ps Elements is not nearly a substitute for the real thing.  As a matter of fact, I thought it was overpriced by about $80.  I could not in good conscience recommend it to anyone.  Ever.

                             

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                            • 11. Re: Adobe Stock News
                              station_two Community Member

                              Please note that I edited my previous post to restore the missing second paragraph:

                               

                              Within a couple of weeks I became so frustrated with Ps Elements that I successfully demanded my money back from Adobe.


                              • 12. Re: Adobe Stock News
                                the_wine_snob Community Member

                                I agree that PSElements is not for everyone. I doubt that I could enjoy using it, as I have been on PS for decades, starting on the first day, that it was released for the PC (Version 2.5, IIRC).

                                 

                                PSE is a "Big Button" program, and I really like having all of the control, even if it means a bit more "hand-work."

                                 

                                OTOH, many do find that it suits their needs perfectly.

                                 

                                Hunt

                                 

                                PS - I feel the same way about Premiere Pro, and Premiere Elements. I have both programs, but really prefer the "manual" PrPro, over the "automated" PrE.