5 Replies Latest reply: Jun 29, 2012 10:01 AM by Cinematic Brain RSS

    Speedgrade newbie help!

    Curt Pair Community Member

      I'm very new to doing any grading outside of Premiere!

       

      I'm trying to learn SpeedGrade, but it's been quite a challenge thus far...

       

      1. Looks:  In trying to use the pre-packaged "looks..." I noticed that when I first used them, they were white in color at the bottom of the screen.  Somehow they turned red.  Now, when I try to save a look, I get an error telling me it's a read only folder.  I've even tried going to the root folder in the system to change from "read only..."  That didn't work either! 
      2. Color Wheels:  When trying to use the color wheels with my Wacom Intuos 3 pen, I find that when I try to "modify" the outter circles, the pointers move slightly, then freeze, as if "that's it... that's all you can do!"  I've had to go to the numerical inputs to make my changes... am I doing something wrong?
      3. Resolution:  Is there a limit to the footage input or output resolutions?  I'm using R3D files, but they are coming in at 2+K, even though they are shot at 5K.  Is there a way to change that, or is this what it is?  What is the largest export size?

       

      Thanks if you can provide some answers that get me up and going.  It's truly appreciated.

       

      Curt

        • 1. Re: Speedgrade newbie help!
          Curt Pair Community Member

          I'm also trying to understand how to manipulate color in a mask... I just can't figure that one out either!  I have MADE the mask, I just can subtly change the color of the "talent's" face in it... (the rest of the shot looks great, talent is a bit red...)

          • 2. Re: Speedgrade newbie help!
            Patrick J. Palmer Adobe Employee

            Hi Curt,

             

            for 1: assuming you're on a Windows machine, launch the application once with admin privileges, that should do the trick of giving you access to the folders. If you don't want to do that: you can always open additional .Look folders by clicking the "+" icon next to the last Tab currently open. Any new Tab can be pointed to any folder on your HDD.

             

            2.: don't try to follow the triangles, simply click on it, then move either to the left for lowering or to the right for getting the value higher up.

             

            3.: SpeedGrade is using Dynamic Qualities to allow for real time playback on machines without Red Rocket cards / less capable CPUs. You can change the behaviour under Settings / Dynamic Quality. You can change the quality for playback and for pause separately, so it might be good to see what your machine is capable of during playback, then adjust the settings accordingly. If your machine already is equipped with a red rocket, it will be detected and put to work automatically.

             

            There's no limit to export size - and the export size will not be affected by the settings in Dynamic Quality. Also, things like masks will be scaled automatically, so there's no danger in using lower resolution while grading if real time playback is what you're going after.

             

            Cheers,

            Pat

            Curt Pair wrote:

             

            I'm very new to doing any grading outside of Premiere!

             

            I'm trying to learn SpeedGrade, but it's been quite a challenge thus far...

             

            1. Looks:  In trying to use the pre-packaged "looks..." I noticed that when I first used them, they were white in color at the bottom of the screen.  Somehow they turned red.  Now, when I try to save a look, I get an error telling me it's a read only folder.  I've even tried going to the root folder in the system to change from "read only..."  That didn't work either! 
            2. Color Wheels:  When trying to use the color wheels with my Wacom Intuos 3 pen, I find that when I try to "modify" the outter circles, the pointers move slightly, then freeze, as if "that's it... that's all you can do!"  I've had to go to the numerical inputs to make my changes... am I doing something wrong?
            3. Resolution:  Is there a limit to the footage input or output resolutions?  I'm using R3D files, but they are coming in at 2+K, even though they are shot at 5K.  Is there a way to change that, or is this what it is?  What is the largest export size?

             

            Thanks if you can provide some answers that get me up and going.  It's truly appreciated.

             

            Curt

            • 3. Re: Speedgrade newbie help!
              Curt Pair Community Member

              Patrick,

               

              Thanks for responding to my questions!  Much appreciated.

              1. when starting with administrator privledges... you're right, everything seems to work now!  I have WHITE folders instead of red!  I can save my looks too!  Awesome!  Just awesome! 
              2. I'm still having a bit of trouble with finite moves on the color wheel adjustments.... are there modifier keys too?  Alt, Cont, Shift... do those do anything, like in After Effects?
              3. I have an nVidia 4000 and a Red Rocket.  I was stoked to see that SG utilized the Red Rocket too!  That's pretty darned cool!


              I now have the masks "working...!"  I think that "adminstrator" trick solved a ton of my Monday and Tuesday frustrations!  How does one set the "feather" of the mask?  Is that ONLY defined by the space between the inner and outter adjustments of the mask?  I seem to get "lines" in my maksing... in the final image.

               

              Patrick, I have some interesting questions for you too... perhaps if I got your email, I could discuss further... I can do it here too, I guess...  I don't understand something.  Look at the image below.  This is an R3D image viewed in Red Cine X.  It appears to be blown out.  The histogram and waveforms don't show that it is a total blow out though... just exposed a bit on the brighter side...

              Shoot04-RedCine-RAW.PNG    Shoot05-Scopes-NOToverX.PNG

              It actually looks MUCH more washed out in RCX than it does in this insert!

               

              Now look at the SAME image in SG!  Why is there such a variance?  Both are in the RAW, unaltered state, but they don't look the same!

              Shoot01-Speedgrade.PNG

              The SG image seems to have more gamma for sure! 

               

              Now for the BIG question... which is correct? 

               

              I know I'm new to the whole "high end" grading ordeal, but this variance is huge to me.  Any clarification would be great. 

              • 4. Re: Speedgrade newbie help!
                David Cabestany Community Member

                There's another thread that indicates that at this point Wacom tablets do not work properly on Speedgrade CS6. I was trying to use mine last night and had the same issue with the little traingles, after an online search I found out that for now we're going to have to stick to mouse or trackball instead. Hopefully they will provide a quick update (Adobe or Wacom, whoever has to) and this will be fixed.

                • 5. Re: Speedgrade newbie help!
                  Cinematic Brain

                  With regards to the difference, possibly a difference in .R3D decode settings, you are not actually viewing the RAW image but a processed image (gamma curve etc).

                   

                  Check this in SG go to Timeline tab, Format Defaults.

                  Select R3D

                  You have two options "Use settings stored in each clip" or "Use the settings below"

                  If you have it on "Use the settings below"  it will ignore the clips own settings so could look different.

                   

                  Might also have something in the .RMD not carrying over.

                   

                  Have you calibrated your monitor with a probe and tested the output from SG?

                   

                  If your monitor is correctly calibrated I would not worry as your SG ouput will be correct and it is a grading system after all.

                   

                  Jonathan Smiles

                  3D/2D Production & Post Production Specialist (Freelance)

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